Seattle Seahawks Training Camp Notes Part VI: via Special Guest Davis Hsu
by Danny Kelly on Aug 5, 2011 1:16 PM PDT
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PrintFriend of the blog and Seahawk obsessed numbers guy Davis Hsu attended Seahawks Training Camp with me yesterday, and had some really great notes to add on his impression of practice, that I asked him to share on Field Gulls. As I explained earlier, Davis has been a big help to me, behind the scenes mostly, as an editor and proofreader, and I bounce ideas off of him on a daily basis. He puts together spreadsheets and tables and I'm fairly certain he's got a Seahawks lab somewhere in his basement where he sits and laughs maniacally to himself while he pours over numbers and stats and bar graphs like a mad scientist. His contributions will be more visible in-season and he'll most likely become a household name for the regulars here moving forward.
He's got sound football I.Q., and has predicted a lot of the things that the Seahawks have ended up doing, so I trust his analysis. He listens to every single fricking radio show and interview all day so he's one of the most keyed in guys around so he's definitely worth a follow on twitter. Obviously, like me, he's just a fan of football so you should take everything with a grain of salt, but really that goes for any sportswriter, radio personality, or draft expert out there. Here are Davis' thoughts and reactions to practice, enjoy:
Defensive Line
These guys are all very big men. Junior Siavii, Red Bryant (who was given the day off), Colin Cole (who was also in sweats), Alan Branch, Ryan Sims, Kentwan Balmer. The best player on the D-line during the drills was Mebane. He looked like he had confidence and the respect of the other players. He is so low to the ground compared to the rest of the guys, powerful and quick. Also, with Chris Clemons limited (I read that he has a foot infection) I was wondering where we were going to get our pass rush- especially if Clemons gets hurt. Good thing after practice we signed up Raheem Brock for a 1-yr stint. I only watched this group for a few minutes. I didn't get to tune in much to Allen and Crittenton.
Linebackers
Leroy Hill looks like a smooth veteran. He looks to be in better shape than in years past. He looks fresh and he looks like he has something to prove. If he stays healthy he could be our best linebacker. Curry is just a big-big linebacker- no wonder people fell in love with him. I thought he looked good- power- but not smooth.
KJ Wright- my honest first impression of him- too tall. He is all of 6-4 and almost looks like a really big safety. Mike Morgan looks like a good athlete and I wonder how Mike Johnson will play in preseason games. I feel good about this group with Ken Norton in charge- it just feels right and I don't know much about Todd Wash (DL) and the secondary coaches. Ken Norton just has that "it" factor.
Secondary
Brandon Browner- I like this guy. He is 27 yrs old but he is 6-4 and can play press as well as bail. I saw him handle Mike Williams in one situation. He is almost as big as Mike Williams. I really want to see Thurmond out there and I am worried that he is missing valuable time with this ankle. Kelly Jennings ran with the 2s and the 1s- and I don't mean to sound like myself- but he plays just like Kelly Jennings. Small, fast, and gets plays made on him at the moment of truth. Great guy- my best man knows him and he is a solid guy. But we are here to talk football.
Trufant looked good- he can't handle Sidney Rice- but there is probably less than 5 guys in the NFL that can guard Rice 1-on-1: Revis, Nnamdi and maybe a few others.
Richard Sherman made some plays. Earl Thomas played up on slots in certain situations, and I believe it was Legree who was deep with Kam- some sort of nickel-dime-bandit package. Earl Thomas picked Pete Carroll- pick 6ed him- lightning. QB Pete was running a few drills. Next play, Legree picked Pete deeper over the middle. Pete has this glove on too- like a bad Michael Jackson white glove- kinda creepy. Matched his all white outfit. Anyways- I think Kam is the real deal- he can play deep- he isn't just a box safety. Didn't see much of Maxwell or maybe I wasn't looking for him. None of the other young guys jumped out at me- but I wasn't searching too hard for them- Johnson, Hoffman, Parker.
I am not surprised they didn't sign Babs- Pete thinks he has the next Babs in Josh Pinkard- he stashed him in 2010 on PUP and the 53 man and the practice squad- almost like he was trying to hide him from the league. He is a CB/S hybrid who I think will play in nickel or bandit. Scott Enyeart (USC guy, radio personality, Seahawks fan, and friend to Pete Carroll and many of the old-school USC guys) says he is instinctual. Like a younger, faster Babs with less Babs savvy. Three knee surgeries though- if he can stay healthy, watch out. What's up with rolling the dice on injuries? - Walt- Leon- Pinkard. How you find value, PCJS.
I wasn't watching Zach Miller! Maybe today. Guy who looks a WR and catches everything?- Dominique Byrd: Impressed me. Carlson played great today- maybe this whole Miller thing- maybe he always looks good in Training Camp. I think they keep him unless they get like a 4th rd pick or something like that. McCoy seemed inconsistent to me- made some good plays- dropped some balls- he looks the part though. Feel bad for Morrah- he needs to get out there! Turf toe or something like that. We are solid at this position.
Running Backs
Didn't spend much time watching these guys because we know the tri-fecta- Leon, Beastmode, Forsett. Forsett is a good player. So nice on dumpoffs- has a 2nd gear and gets 20-25 yard chunk plays- but he doesn't have that 3rd gear- that 60- yard play. Hopefully this year! I heard Leon looks great but I wasn't watching for him. Only thing I want Marshawn to do is to hang on to the ball- I don't think Forsett fumbled one time in 2010 and Lynch had at least 3 in half a season (2 versus NOR in NOR and that one that almost doomed us versus STL week 17 -defense held up).
OLine-
That will have to be today if I can get out there! Sorry.
Wide Receivers
Teach me how to Dougie. Doug Baldwin. Doug-E-Fresh. #15- unless he stinks up the preseason this cat is making the 53 man roster. He looks like he is always within himself- catches everything. Like a Stokley but younger and faster. If Tate went down (God forbid) I think this guy can play. Carter looked alright too- but I can't see him making the team over Baldwin. Lockette? I don't think so. He doesn't have something that Dougie has.
Sidney Rice is the best player on the Seahawks I think. I didn't watch Okung today and I think Okung will be a pro-bowl player- but I think Rice might be our best player. From the first minute. He made plays over the middle and on the sidelines in single and double coverage. He juked guys and played physical when he needed to. He has body control and great hands. I am serious- this guy is the real freakin deal. I like Mike Williams- but this cat is head and shoulders ahead of Mike Williams. But you already knew that. I feel real good about the WR group.
Quarterback
I thought Charlie was alright today. I thought he played with some urgency. I like how he is 6-5 and can see over the line and has that fastball delivery - overhand- on short throws. He missed few short throws- layups- but I think he played with a little fire today. Tarvaris Jackson- first thing I thought- not that tall- for some reason his 6-2 stood out to me. He has a good arm. He is an athlete- he can scramble and did at times. He hit some decent deeper and intermediate passes. Threw one pick I think- it was tipped over the middle and then picked. He hit Sidney all over the place. Of course they are gonna hook up a lot- (1) Sidney is the best weapon we have (2) they are good friends and played in the same system for years. Before the CBA was approved they threw together alone away from the others. Josh Portis- practice squad.
I think we hang on to Charlie. I don't think he will be the starter Game 1 vs SFO. But TJack gets hurt and Charlie will see action at some point. Tarvaris looked like what you think of when you think of Tarvaris. He doesn't look bad- he just doesn't impress me on that level that you know that great Quarterbacks impress. But we all know that. Fans know that. Coaches know that. Barring a surprise- the Seahawks QBOTF is in the 2012 Draft. I am rooting for TJack and Charlie but my first impression of 2011- as Dennis Green said "They are who we thought they were!"
I am going to stick with my prediction of 6-10. I know a lot of people are predicting 7-9 and 8-8. I think we are going to be a GOOD 6-10- a better team than that 7-9 2010 team in most areas.
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Family reasons for Obo?
Makes sense. Figured it’d be something like that, even though everyone jumped to “he’s going to be traded” conclusions
Formerly Known As Vasilii
No way.
They just signed him to a contract. Wouldn’t the cap hit on a trade be pretty significant?
No
He had a 500K signing bonus, the prorated signing bonus is the only bit of the contract you’re still n the hook for with a trade.
But the trade discussion was still silly.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, more to the point, no offense to everyone...
…but I think Obo’s value outside of Seattle is very limited. Not to say he wouldn’t do well elsewhere but he’s our guy and other people just don’t know him all that well.
Hm. Interesting.
Where do you get cap and salary info like this?
Rotoworld generally has the best information
Otherwise just googling it
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Jameson Konz
Would like to disagree.
Efren Herrera is my spirit animal
by BeaverBird on Aug 5, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What? We're talking contract info, not news
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, come on dude.
I’ve been sitting on that one for three days now. Couldn’t..help..myself.
Efren Herrera is my spirit animal
Thanks
Good stuff. So Baldwin is this years camp warrior then? Go get that spot kid!
Confuscius say- "Baseball wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk."
Great informative article!
I appreciate the info! Baldwin sounds like he is a guy I could really get behind from all I have read. I wonder why SF did not pick him up, but I am happy he is on our team.
Respect goes a long way....
I know people say this every year... but holy hell am I psyched for preseason.
So many names I really just need to see in Seahawk blue, both new and old. In a way I’m warming to this idea of having Jackson or Charlie start this year, in that I think it’s one of those seasons where the schedule is brutal and everyone knows it, and it’s just a matter of the team as a whole showing potential.
Then, next year, they add that quarterback and a few other pieces (notably: corner and a defensive end) and WHAM this is a team to be reckoned with.
Yes, yes I would.
Yes, sir. Yes sireee…. hell yeah.
Confuscius say- "Baseball wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk."
by Outside Contain on Aug 5, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
So, I'll put you down for "yes"?
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Jyellow hijack. No Tatupu thread here, por favor.
But speaking of QBOF, he’ll need at least a year to get it.
Plus the trade up will cost us the farm. Assuming we go something like 6-10.
by broadbill birdwatcher on Aug 5, 2011 2:11 PM PDT reply actions
Chase Reynolds
Has anyone been able to get a look at RB Chase Reynolds? He was dominant at small school Montana. I know he is a longshot to make the squad, but I’d like to find out if anyone has seen him in drills.
I wonder how many DBs we keep?
Maybe 9 plus 1 on the PS? That is great news Kam is looking good in coverage.
How about these 8 plus Pinkard as Danny likes….
CB- Tru, Thurmond, Jennings, Browner
S- ET, Kam, Legree, Johnson,
PS- 1 or 2 DBs? Sherman or Maxwell or?
Our final cuts should be tough this year and I am curious about our PS
Respect goes a long way....
You think our UDFA Johnson has a better shot at making the roster than our draft picks?
Makes no sense.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I sort of do.....
Who knows for sure but I remember hearing there was 1 undrafted Safety we really liked and maybe I am just hoping their thoughts were the same as mine, but I really like Jeron. Also, we did not bring back Babs after showing interest and did bring back Jennings, so to me that makes more spots available at safety rather than CB. I think Sherman is the perfect type of PS guy to develop since he has played mainly O. I guess it depends on STs play maybe. How many DBs you think we will keep?
Respect goes a long way....
We kept 10 last year. We probably will again
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm thinking
CB- Tru, Browner, Sherman, WT3, Jennings
S- ET, Kam, Legree, Pinkard, Maxwell(also CB)
PS- Johnson, Parker(athletic freak)
canadian eh
by Unidentified flying orgasms on Aug 5, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
So who do you think would be the 10?
I think 10 DBs will be very hard to do this year. We have so much more depth at other positions this year especially WR. Do you not think Jeron will make the final cut? He seems in my eyes like the most traditional type of a SS and provides more of a middle ground than the other guys. Does my Babs/ Jennings argument not make sense in your eyes?
Unless injuries kill us, I would bet my house Sherman and Maxwell do not BOTH make the roster.
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No way. That sounds like PCJS value UFDAs over their draft picks, which I find hard to believe.
10 DBs sound possible I think:
25 on offence:
2QB
4RB
4TE (alt 3TE 6 WR but I hear Bevell uses 2 TE sets makes this unlikely)
5WR
10OL
25 on Defence
9DL (4/5 DE, 5/4 DT)
6LB
10 DB (5CB, 5 S)
3 on Special Teams:
1 P
1 K
1 LS (Clint Gresham if case no one knows)
Bitches. Aussie Homer Looming.
The Panthers should wear all pink uniforms.
Performance matters more
than being picked or not right? Every year UDFAs make teams and drafted players are cut. Remember this year the FA happened AFTER the Draft and a lot unexpected happened. We tried to resign Babs at a price we wanted but he went elsewhere. Jennings was a very recent addition. That means 1 less CB will be kept and 1 more safety spot becomes available right?
STs may very well decide who the final spots go to and I have no idea what PC is thinking about that. I am confident that at least 4 CBs and 4 Safeties will make the team plus I think 1 more. It seems maybe you guys are thinking that Maxwell and Sherman beat out Browner or we keep 6 CBs and 4 S? If not Jeron then who becomes the other 4th safety?
We appear to be very strong at WR and TE and may add about FB this year. I doubt we keep 10 DBs. I think maybe 1 of the 2 speedy rookie USC LBs emerge and help in coverage also. LBs like that can be very nice ST guys.
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Ah ok. I see that performance trumps draft/undrafted signings in this odd offseason situation.
We shall find out in the preseason I guess.
Man I chose an odd time to closely follow the Seahawks (This being the first ‘offseason’).
Bitches. Aussie Homer Looming.
The Panthers should wear all pink uniforms.
You really in Oz?
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Pinkard has been playing well at safety
canadian eh
by Unidentified flying orgasms on Aug 5, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe the Safety battle
for the final spot is Pinkard vs Johnson. Pinkard’s 3 serious knee injuries at USC are a concern but this will be interesting to see how it plays out. I cannot wait for the games to begin! I could see Johnson on Kickoffs. Pinkard I do have seen very little of, does he strike people as a ST guy
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We kept 6 corners and 4 safeties last year
That might shift, but I’d guess…
CB: Tru, Thurmond, Jennings, Sherman, Maxwell, Browner
S: Thomas, Chancellor, Pinkard, LeGree
I haven’t heard anything about Johnson in camp that makes me think he’s battling for a 53-roster spot. Browner and Pinkard I’m including on the strength of their camp hype.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That's assuming Pinkard's conversion is far enough along where he just slides into Babs' spot
If not, he could slide to CB bumping out either Maxwell or Browner, and in that case Johnson might come on the roster.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
How about Sherman?
Do you feel he is a sure thing to make the roster? With all due respect it seems you really try to cover yourself with any outcome. I think Johnson makes the team and Sherman is a PS guy. This new Pinkard info throws me and I love the competition but it does change things. I will stick to my prediction with 9 DBs not 10, and Sherman is a PS guy
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Cover myself? Man, if I wanted to cover myself I wouldn't make any guess
There are going to be big additions to this roster depth yet after other teams make their cuts.
Sherman definitely has a better shot at making the roster than Maxwell or Browner. His rawness is a problem but I don’t think the FO is willing to risk losing him. I know you don’t like him, but there’s a reason we picked him up in the 5th while Maxwell came in a round later and Jeron Johnson is an UDFA. It’s too easy to forget UDFAs are still UDFAs.
10 spots for DB depth just fits what PC wants to do defensively. We’re big on multi-DB sets, need a lot of depth and talent.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
And Morgan would be a sad man.
Bitches. Aussie Homer Looming.
The Panthers should wear all pink uniforms.
Ya true I am not a Sherman fan yet
But I am willing to see some tape if you care to point me in the right direction. Browner is exactly what we are looking for plus he has CFL experience in those goofy rules they have. I do not see Sherman as a gunner or a real ST guy either. I say of the 3 in order – 1- Browner, 2- Maxwell, 3- Sherman (PS). Actually I say mark that down in ink right now Sherman PS 2011. Maxwell is a bubble guy for me.
Remember we kept 1 FB last year and this year we might keep 2. We have a ton of TE depth but maybe could make a trade. I see 6 WRs making the roster and then add Butler to the pup. I always like the PS maneuvers probably more than I should. Does anyone know how many PS guys we get? Is it 6?
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Thank you!
I appreciate that…. I am getting old the memory is not the same….
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Sherman likely has the most potential of the bunch, which is why he went ahead of the other guys.
Browner and Maxwell might not be fluid enough to play the position in the NFL, Sherman’s raw but he might be better than those two already.
Time will tell
Browner’s experience factor in the pass happy funky rule CFL should play a role in this short training camp. Potential is for Al Davis, I like production! I will gladly eat crow if Sherman is kept over the other 2 guys but I say PS.
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Everybody starts out as potential
If you know of a couple good press corners sitting out in free agency I’d be all about picking them up.
Right on
I did not mean to be sarcastic. I just got tired of teams drafting the best athlete before it made zero sense to me and affected me when I was recruited so I hold a grudge maybe lol. Good Football players play good football and track sprinters are not football players in my eyes. There is the rare exception of course…. Bob Hayes….
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Sherman's not an obvious ST guy, he'd spend a lot of time in the first year outside of the gameday roster
I really didn’t like what I saw of Maxwell. That secondary played horrible at times and he struggled to even keep his starting job there. As for footage, I just tend to watch full games (usually have to download em, not easy to get here in Europe). I long since shed the games I used for our draft picks tho’. I think I watched the Discover bowl, Arizona and USC for Richard, played well in the games I could get/extensively look at.
I love Richard’s potential because his potential is so high. At his pro day, he ran a better 20 yard shuttle than Byron (4.29 to 4.49) and a better 3-cone drill (6.72 to 7.12). He has more starts than Byron too, if experience is the concern.
We’re not keeping two FBs, and with flexible OL depth that spot is more likely to be victimized than DBs.
8 on PS.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
how fast they can run doesnt mean they can play football.
i am a fan of sherman though. he is tall and a press corner. for that reason alone i think he would make the roster. if he plays decent at all in the preseason then he will be on roster, because he is too much to risk on the waiver wire.
20 yard shuttle and 3-cone drill are hardly "how fast they can run" 40 times
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Both Maxwell and Sherman's times sucked
They were all much below average. Maxwell had a good 40 time but that was it. Maxwell had a good bench which might help for pressing a little. Sherman had a good vertical which is great to go with being 6-2 1/2.
Respect goes a long way....
As a CB
and WR times actually do matter. There are no tricks to use when discussing catch up speed. I watched tape of Sherman and saw a guy totally lost. He definately needs some coaching. About the pro-day times I am curious how Maxwells were that slow. Watching Maxwell play he was poor playing off but in press he looked damn good which I think is why we drafted him! However, he was nothing special in college as in all-league or captain.
Respect goes a long way....
Well, illegally, for the most part
http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/ is great for SEC games, see here.
When that’s no help, I just look to find torrents. There are insider-only sites that provide great trackers (Ten Yard Torrents in particular), but they’re not publicly open.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm surprised there aren't more torrents of games.
Of all things to have available for multiple viewings, it’s football games. And I don’t understand why the NFL doesn’t make them available one way or another… it’s not like they’re selling them as DVD’s or anything.
Hmm… maybe they should. How much would you pay for the entire Seahawks’ 2010 season on DVD?
Hmm… maybe I should say 2005.
Most of the games are freely available
and most viewers aren’t interested in watching old games. For most viewers, the finals scores are “spoilers”.
I really think its a niche “market”.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 5, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
That said, its strange that the NFL doesn't offer past games to US customers
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 5, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
If you get NFL game rewind you can watch all the games going back to 2009
Can’t watch them live though. New games you can watch after few days of when they were played or something.
I can do both on one pass! Perk of being Euroweenie.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah no kidding
I love when I open up Gamepass again and can watch full games from a few years back. Really good for reviewing our own players.
Every conference should have something like the SEC digital network, really.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I second that
That would be a great thing…. Maybe soon it will happen…. I would love having a few different angles if possible as well….
Respect goes a long way....
Ten Yard is Good
I like them but damn the file sizes are huge!!
They have one of the best selections though.
Win Forever: Live, Work and Play Like a Champion
Are you sure about 2 FBs
I think it is possible if we do not find the right TE to also be a good backup FB. We only kept 1 FB last year and it hurt us BIG time in our last game.
Thank you for the PS info
Nate how can I email you> Can I place my email here or?
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I'm pretty sure about one FB
Though they’re experimenting right now, I think specifically to see if McCoy could sub in at TE if needed. Then keep another FB on the PS.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
FB I think ya meant
…. I just am sure they do not want to experince what happened in our final game happen again
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browner is making the team
he’s running with the ones right now with thurmond out, so he’s a minimum 2. With how quickly he’s learning id say he beats out thurmond for 2nd corner and pushes tru for first. Then Thurmond would push tru for starting at second. If tru is struggling i definitely see the front office getting rid of the huge cap hole. Hell, first sign of injury im thinking he takes an injury settlement.
It is early and things could change...
but I agree. Browner, to me makes the team and has a significant role. I am not so interested in who starts but who has roles in certain situations. I stand by my assertion that Browner makes the active squad and Sherman does not. Injuries and final pick-ups could change things.
Respect goes a long way....
That's a lot of hype for someone coming from the CFL
We’ll see how he plays in the preseason
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 6, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I am going off my own knowledge
and a little from what I have read. Remember we have ET a unique Safety who can play a slot like a CB so that changes things a little. I feel PC/JS made a concentrated effort with Browner, Sherman and Maxwell to find one big press CB with the hopes and/or expectations they likely find one guy for the role and whoever plays the worst is likely gone since you cannot hit on every draft pick (EJ Wilson). Sherman seems like the obvious PS guy and I do not think you can expect him to seriously contribute in 2011 unless maybe on ST. The guy has been a WR until very recently.
Of the mentioned Safeties, ET has the rare ability to actually play CB very well. Pinkard is sort of a CB/S as was mentioned in this article, Kam has been thought of as a S/LB almost, Legree is a pure S and then there is Jeron. At CB we still have Lewis, Cox and other possibilities. The one thing I really notice about PC is he likes to keep his options open to show different schemes and create mismatches. To keep Browner, Sherman and Maxwell all active as inexperienced NFL press CBs, does not make sense in my eyes. I am higher on Browner than most however. Pinkard is the wild card for me and I will be happy if his health issues are behind him and he shines for us.
Respect goes a long way....
The argument against keeping three raw-ish big pres-CB guys on the roster makes sense, yes
Something to consider.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure how Jeron would factor in that argument though
He’s a safety, if they’re concerned about their corners being too raw he won’t be the answer.
True I just meant
that those 3 very similar players at CB do not make sense in my eyes. I was pointing out that Johnson provides us a more traditional SS skillset that I do not see the others providing us. At the risk of being laughed at, I see Johnson having starting potential but time will tell I guess about all the roster predictions…. The real wild card is who gets released on other teams which could make all of us wrong…
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withing reason I agree
I meant all without any NFL experience? I would agree if they were at different stages of their careers which Browner is but….. I have seen so many times in the last 30 years when teams draft 2 guys late in a draft at the same position they are hoping for one guy to shine and do not expect both to make it. Competition baby!
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We have guys at safety with Johnson's skillset though
Whether we need someone to play in the box or cover deep, we just rotate personnel.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Who has Johnsons all around skillset?
I do not see anyone other than possibly Pinkard. Your subject and contents sort of contradict each other…..
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any linebacker!
the NFL is shifting from running to passing so the cover free safety and the hard hitting string safety system is shifting too. roy williams and john lynch great safeties that lost their jobs because they couldn’t cover. we dont need jeron’s “unique skillset” if that skillset involves hard hits and no coverage.
I meant Jeron not Kam
In my eyes you are talking about Kam not Jeron. Jeron is more like a Troy P 5-10 205 pounds who can hit but also has fair coverage skills with decent speed/quickness. However, some are saying Kam looks better in coverage this year so who knows….
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I honestly don't understand what you're saying
I already indicated I would expect Pinkard to nudge Johnson off the roster if he’s developed far enough, and the post you’re quoting indicates we don’t need a SS who can start the majority of snaps if we instead opt to rotate the spot heavily, which is what I’m expecting.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, perhaps a misunderstanding, but someone explain it to me - I was very interested in the outcome of the discussion...
…concerning who might fill what roles, and I haven’t sorted all the players out in my head yet.
So who are the pure CBs (of the new guys)? Who are the pure FSs (ET, of course), who are the potential SS (Kam, etc.) and who are the tweeners?
My opinion
I think varies a great deal from Beekers but I feel-
Legree is a pure old fashioned FS I love him great ball skills and awareness
Jeron johnson is a pure old fashioned SS good hitter but also decent coverage skills
Kam is more of a LB/SS type
ET is a special unique player who can play FS and CB if needed. He might actually be our best cover guy.
I do not think any of the new CBs are pure cover guys but they are press guys that PC is looking for.
Thurmond is not new but if back to full speed would have the best pure coverage skills of the newer CBs.
Jennings is glue but poor ball skills.
Pinkard played CB at USC and dealt with many injuries but he is talented. I guess that is obvious since USC always had their choice of the top recruits right?
Respect goes a long way....
That is roughly how I'd put it, yes
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis, How many practices have you been to and watched?
On these comparisons between players, are you doing this based off of one practice…or over a series of practices?
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These are great, I'm getting PUMPED
No sarcasm font on that one. Fucking pumped. Can’t wait for the season to start and see what these guys can do. Hell, can’t wait for the first preseason game next week! So excited about this team. Everything except the QB position, but JSPC did the best they could do at the time.
sounds like everything is lining up how it would on paper.
by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Aug 5, 2011 4:08 PM PDT reply actions
It's just camp hype
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 5, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep up the good work fellas .
Thanks to all you guys for making this a one-stop Seahawks info source . Way better than the occasional newspaper writ I depended on for years.
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