Gull Poll: Seahawk Breakout Season in 2011
by Danny Kelly on Aug 7, 2011 1:00 PM PDT
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PrintI wanted get a vote: which Seahawk do you think is most poised to have a breakout year in 2011?
There are a lot of options, but I'll make it a short(ish) list and we'll start with offensive players (also, you can't have a 'breakout year' in this case if you've had good or great years in the past):
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I voted for Jackson
Just because I feel that of the options, he has the easiest path to having a good/breakout year in that he will be most likely our starter, the same can’t be said for anything of the other players listed. I am excited however to see how Bevell uses Force, I think we have a swiss army knife with him, same with Washington. For the love of God, a screen to Leon please.
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I agree - Jackson has the best opportunity to really shine. (Haven't read the entire thread - hopefully I am not repeating someone else's thought)
If PC holds to form, he will support Jackson at the position the entire season. He understands the delicate psychology of the QB, and won’t threaten to pull him, at least based on his handleing of the position last year. How many times did we (at least some of us) for CW? PC stuck with Hass, and I think it was the right thing to do. The Rams game wasn’t an exception – Hass was hurt, and the week of practice featured CW, so it only made sense for CW to start that game. But the very next week – back to Hass.
Jackson never had that kind of support from his HC. He never had the weapons he has now, at least not when he was starting. Plus, he has had an opportunity to do whatever professionally growing he is capable of doing. There is a fair chance he puts it together this year and really shines.
Having said all that, the odds of us really being impressed with his play is probably below 50%, but you never know.
Plus, I think Forsett has already broken out – just that not everyone has noticed. Tate would be the other obvuious possibility, and here’s to hoping…
I gave Jackson my vote...
not that I think he’ll become a superstar, or that he WILL breakout. Just that he’ll have the best chance to given the talent he’ll have around him. If he can’t do it this year, as the year progresses, then he probably can never do it.
by BlueThruAndThru on Aug 7, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I gave Justin Forsett my vote of confidence.
I’m a fan of both the Texans and the Seahawks, so I like comparing the two teams a lot and I see a lot of what Arian Foster has in Justin Forsett. Foster isn’t as fast as Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson but he’s smart, knows how to pick holes, and is elusive. Forsett has those same qualities and with this re-vamped O-Line and a great partner in Lynch, he’s poised for a good year.
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Yes - I think Washington has a chance to have the most explosive year out of the positon...
…the most big plays, the most long TD runs (Lynch will probably eclipse Washington in total TDs, but not in exciting ones).
mebane
Back to 1 tech. I sense breakout
by Bruto56 on Aug 7, 2011 1:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Good point. That's where he had the most production before.
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Walter Thurmond
Tate’s buried. Okung and Thomas already broke out in their rookie seasons as far as I’m concerned.
T-Jax and CW are really deep long shots.
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Wait, did you mean this poll is for offense only?
It’s not entirely clear.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Says here:
There are a lot of options, but I’ll make it a short(ish) list and we’ll start with offensive players
by wyte_lightning on Aug 7, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, well then no one
We buried the offensive talent we have beneath rookies and young but established players.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
My vote is for Golden.
He showed a few flashes in the pan (terrible pun, I know) last year, but if he can consistently stay on the field due to increased knowledge and execution of his route-running, I believe he could become a weapon in the slot.
Plus
Bevell has experience using Percy Harvin… a receiver with the same skill set. With giants at our other receiving positions I feel like it will open up a lot of open field for Golden to take advantage of.
by insidetheparker on Aug 7, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Tate looks like a special player
I can’t think of anyone on the Seahawks with a bigger upside than Tate. If he can put some of the loose ends together, with that skill set, he can be a great player.
Tate is awesome
But I don’t think it’s realistic to expect him to explode onto the scene this year, especially since he’s a bit buried in our depth chart as a passing option
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems like a lot of receivers break out in year three.
So, yeah, Tate probably has a year to go before he turns into a shiny new toy.
Bite the wax tadpole.
Who do you think will start in the slot then?
Obo?
by wyte_lightning on Aug 7, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Barring a surprise
I don’t think we’ll have a “starter” in the slot in the sense that one player will get the majority of snaps. More likely a heavy rotation of Obo, Tate, Baldwin, Carlson and/or Morrah.
We don’t really have a prototypical slot guy outside of Baldwin, and expecting him to start as a UDFA rookie would be a bit crazy. I guess Tate could well be the nominal starter, though.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he really is
It’s just camp hype.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
This was the comment that prompted my response:
“More likely a heavy rotation of Obo, Tate, Baldwin, Carlson and/or Morrah.”
Your “More likely” and Baldwin’s name included in the list I found remarkable (so I remarked on it).
That's based on who we currently have, not a prediction for in-season rotation.
Sorry if that was unclear.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah since the slot isn't really a "starting" position anyway...
I think it will be based on the skill set they want for a particular play.
Butler's really not a slot guy
Not every short guy in the NFL automatically fits slot. Tate’s not a prototypical slot guy either
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You want your slots guys to be able to run very precise routes
because your QB is going to be passing into traffic and needs to be confident that the slot is going to be where he’s supposed to be. Tate needs to work on this.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 7, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless
They can get him the ball in space. Similar to the way that Bevell used Percy Harvin. I think that he could legitimately explode on to the scene. If they expect him to run perfect routes, like they did last year, then your right. I think they need to find ways to get the ball in his hands also need to get Washington the ball more.
Which three of us jokers voted for Charlie?
I did for kicks, who else?
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Aug 7, 2011 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
If Tarvaris plays like he played most of his career, we could well see Charlie return a few weeks in
It’s not exactly a joke, it’s a realistic possibility.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you really think that will happen?
I see Jackson as a middle of the road NFL starter…
by insidetheparker on Aug 7, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Jackson needs his confidence re-built. If he can get that back, the Hawks may just a winner here
by Douglas M on Aug 7, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Carrol has given him just that
Starter from day 1. Go and get it TJ!
by insidetheparker on Aug 7, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Carrol can't give him the kind of confidence he needs...
Just my opinion, but he need to start out with high percentage throws. He needs to find a WR he trusts no matter how long or short the pass is so he knows he can really do the job. A couple of 20-16 pass attempts/completion games, even if it’s for 150 yrds will help build the Hawks need. The long ball should be the least of his concerns right now. He starts off flinging it long, even if he has short term success, will see him have a tough season down the road…
But I think the point of bringing him in is to air it out.
Matt obviously doesn’t have that ability so I think it’s a little disappointing if we bring him in just to dime and dunk. Matt could’ve done that better. The point is to stretch out the defense and that’s the point of TJ’s athleticism. Open up the entire playbook. He should feel confident. I feel confident.
by insidetheparker on Aug 7, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Not This.
Just wanted to humbly disagree with most everything in the post above.
I'm not saying he should have 30 pass attempts a game
I just think that we should use his arm to take shots. Matt couldn’t throw the 40 yard pass. TJ can from what I’ve heard. I just think his athleticism is wasted if we just use a west coast philosophy
by insidetheparker on Aug 7, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I like an emphasis on the run game
The easy passes to BMW, Rice, Miller, Carlson. I just think that the deep bomb is an aspect that hasn’t been in Seattle since Matthew came to town and I’m excited to see it. Keep the safeties honest, ya know
by insidetheparker on Aug 7, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
With that philosophy he'll do well indeed
Here’s to a great season Hawk fans… Except when you play my Rams that is… :-) The very best to you all!
Keep them honest to do what?
Look, I like the guy and I wish the best for him. I hope for him and the sake of a decent season that he does well.
Having said that (curb your enthusiasm).
I think they should rip out any pages in the playbook that require:
- Read and react Touch on the ball
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- Timing plays Small window to throw in
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— Foot work
I have never heard of an offensive game plan where the coach says: Let’s come out throwing 50 yards 10 plays to start the game, that way we can open the short stuff.
Long ball is a pretty small part of the offense… most of the time.
I remember Elway use to throw long on the first play of the game.
And Schuab did it to us 2 years ago!
Yeah, that play was pretty much the best example of the only way Hass could complete a long pass.
On a double move so that the receiver was wide open and able to get to the ball wherever in the vicinity Hass was able to throw it, and lofted way up in the air as well (again, the wide openness helped a lot there in that it allowed our guy to get under the ball). Few people can throw a 40 yard bomb into a specific spot in traffic, of course, but Hasselbeck’s arm is pretty much at the other extreme at this point in his career.
Didn't he have a few really nice deep throws in the Saints playoff game?
I remember him hitting BMW for a long gain and then there was the Brandon Strokely TD as well.
I don't remember the exact details on the BMW play...
…but the Stokely one was off of a double move (the hook and go if memory serves).
you know
I hate going to gifsoup.com because half the videos on the front page are porn, which is just weird when you’re sitting with a few friends making gifs for, like, a school occasion
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Aug 7, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think TJ got a raw deal in Minn. He need a "do over" as far as his career goes
I don’t think he was brought in to air it out as much as broaden or stretch the Hawk O. This is a guy that can be re-built and could be great if he’s given the opportunity, and time to re-learn what he needs to do to be an NFL QB. People looking for instant gratification from him are in for a long season
when does a wide out being open effect the length a QB can throw?
you said that TJ can get it 40 yards down field so can matt. remember the pass to deon butler in the cardinals game? morrah in the saints game and numerous others?? the deep ball isnt why we got TJ. he knew the offense and is a decent QB.
The wider open a WR is, the less accurate the QB can be, and the longer it can take for the ball to get there without a defender also reacting to it in time.
Several of the INTs Matt threw last year were, unfortunately, of the variety that wouldn’t have been picks for him as recently as 2007. Arm strength allows you to gun the ball into an open space during an open period of time; the stronger your arm, the smaller window you need.
by Johnny Slick on Aug 7, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it's impossible
But Jackson is an established mediocre-to-sub-mediocre starter who was given plenty of chances to excel in fairly talented teams, but struggled to beat out the likes of Gus Frerotte and Helicopter Rosenfels. I don’t know why people are having high expectations of him. The highest expectation I have for him is not to suck ass.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if he does suck ass, in which case we bring in his similarly-skilled, also-mediocre backup. Let’s not kid ourselves here.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
You must have been let down tremendously many times in your childhood.
by banksta3 on Aug 7, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No.
Did you have a point to make?
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good points
I just hold out hope that Childress had something against the guy and messed with his mind a little. I really, really like what Schneider and Carroll are doing to give our QB the softest landing possible. It makes so much sense to invest in Oline and big, athletic wide receivers/tight ends. Great point that he had talent in Minnesota though… AP with Rice, Harvin, and Visanthe Shiancoe. I believe he had Berrian too. Thats tough to match
by insidetheparker on Aug 7, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
actually...
childress traded up to draft him as his personal project, then he jerked with him a lot. as for talent, he didn’t have those talented players to work with, it was favre who did (except for berrian, who has been a huge disappointment). BUT, he did make his own mistakes too.
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When TJax was actually starting in Minnesota, Rice was just a shell of his current self, and Harvin was still in college.
The Vikings didn’t really have a good receiving corps until 2009….although that doesn’t really absolve Jackson from his prior sucking.
vike fan here...just to clarify you comments a little...
rosenfels did not beat out jackson. ferotte was pretty a pretty good qb who was inserted after t-jack had a few blips and got banged up. but the real fault les with the coaching staff who traded up to draft t-jack, and then try to make him his pet project.
he got thrown into the starting role waaaay too early, and then the coaches didn’t do him any favors by trying to make him play in a drop back pocket style passing offense. that ignores his athleticism and doesn’t play to his strengths. further, childress basocally dictated what the offense was going to do and took a lot of the power away from bevell. his schemes were vanilla and predictable and defenses were able to put a lot of pressure on him, and that’s where he really makes mistakes.
i’m not saying that he is going to be really good, but he came from a disfunctional situation where he got jerked around….a lot. plus, he didn’t have good receivers.
maybe bevell will have more freedom and can call plays that take advantage of t-jax mobility and avoid having him sit in a collapsing pocket (that’s where the “deer in headloghts” look emerges). he can make incredible downfield passes and is not afraid to put the ball in there in tough spots.
he can extend plays with his legs and is very effective in designed roll outs, imo. he clutches when pass rushers get the edge and when there is a good disguised blitz, he doesn’t know how to slide in the pocket or really escape that situation very well, imo.
if you have a balanced attack, and give him some decent protection, and utilize designed roll-outs and play action, he can be good and might find his confidence. i personally want him to do well, but i am not sure that he is a long term solution. good luck! thanks for beating the saints last year!
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Aug 7, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Soooooooo, Prow Bowl it is. Thanks.
And no problem on that Saints beatdown, just return the favor against the Cards later.
ha, i doubt pro bowl, but the guy deserves another chance, imo.
and if you campare stats….he is better than kolb…why don’t YOU guys spank the cards!
that will encourage larry fitzgerald to leave and sign with his hometown team…the vikes!
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Aug 7, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Larry in LA?
I don’t think he is a big LA guy…
I thought I was the only one going to every board..
Which one to next? This one is all full of hopes and dreams… aka boring.
Just kidding. You all are awesome :P
Yes, we're very proud of goatweed.
Hoping to keep him when he becomes an RFA next summer. We really like what he, uh, “brings to the table”.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Yeah, not cool.
After the Sonics fiasco, us Seattle fans ought to know better.
by Benne on Aug 7, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, very nice perspective, as many of us simply don't know any better, watching, if you will, from a distance.
I did see Joe Webb beat Greenbay last year (if memory serves). He looked good in that game – good decisions, nice throws, good legs. I know he was a last ditch option, but not bad.
you bet. i'm rooting for t-jax, sidney and even bevell!
plus, pete carroll has some old minnesota viking connection.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Better than writin em off from the get go
He didnt get beat out by Rosenfels. Favre was the starter week 1 of 09. Sage an Tarvaris had no QB competition. No one expectin him to be Mike Vick out there. But havin a lil positivity never hurt anybody. Seriously, most comments I seen you write its been mainly negative. I get bein cautious or refrain from bein overly excited but cmon you gotta be a lil excited to see what he can do.
If TJax plays like he played most of his career,
he’ll end up injured.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
What are Stanback's chances to make the team?
If Butler starts the season on the PUP list it seems as though his spot would be taken by him or Baldwin.
Not sure if teams will keep roster spaces open for special teams aces anymore.
The new kickoff rules kind of negate the need for speedy receiver types to produce….it’s hard to say how things will change. Also keep in mind that the Seahawks probably will keep 4 TEs on the roster this year.
I don't think KOs will be as irrelevent as people think.
I think they’ll be impacted for sure, I just don’t buy that they’ll be totally neutered, it’s not like every kicker will suddenly be going out the back of the endzone on every kick.
Most NFL kickers could put the ball at or around the goal line
This means most NFL Kickers will now be able to put the ball 3-5 yards deep with regularity.
by David Hodgson on Aug 7, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You still needs gunners on punts.
Usually more punts than kickoffs in a game.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
This team is loaded with potential talent.
I love it . I tell ya I love big Matt . But the thought that we MIGHT have a guy who can go out and throw darts to big athletic receivers is nice.
Doug Baldwin's camp so far is trying to have a say otherwise.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
How many times have rookies flashed in camp to do nothing in their first season?
Tate’s a good example.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I tend to try and not count on rookie receivers.
Its generally one of the positions that takes a year or two to fully get up to speed on game day. Year 2-3 is where you really want to see them make that leap forward. That’s why I like Golden’s chances to get playing time over guys like Baldwin and Durham et. al.
by David Hodgson on Aug 7, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not suggesting Baldwin's a lock or anything, good grief.
But Tate’s future here isn’t exactly secure either.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
It's pretty secure
As long as he doesn’t decline this year
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It's fun to listen to you marginalize a rookie who is pushing, hard...
a second year player, who the head coach has expressed disappointment in his preparedness. (At least last year.)
You know more than I of course, but I’ll wait for the games to declare Tate’s future in Settle secure.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
As a rookie?
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 8, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
BMW
With all the attention drawn to Sidney, BMW will tear up single coverage for 70+ catches
Apparently Pete Carroll doesn’t like how Charlie Whitehurst holds a clipboard
I think BMW had a semi-breakout last year
Really the only thing more we would have liked was a few more TD’s. He really got jobbed for comeback player of the year if you ask me.
by David Hodgson on Aug 7, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Even though Vick's performance was much better than BMW's
It’s possible that BMW had the greater “comeback.”
Vick went from dynamic-backup-QB-who-everyone-knows-has-skills-but-is-rusty-from-prision to a star, while BMW went from an afterthought into a legit player.
by SeahawksPhan on Aug 7, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Max Unger
If he can stay healthy. Hopefully we see why he was a second round pick and an All-Pac10 first teamer twice. I really like the way our O-line is shaping up.
O-Line is giving me the big O eveytime I think about it!
Orgasam, that is what I mean. Clean up on isle in-my-shorts.
by goatweed on Aug 7, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Offensive players only. Defensive will come later I assume.
by Wes Mantooth30 on Aug 7, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol. Perhaps I ought to have read the lead in...
Ah fuck it; how is Chancellor not on this list…?!?
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
how come nobody mentioned sidney rice?
he is once again “on the mend” and if healthy, he is a real playmaker. plus, t-jax and bevell are quite familiar with him and what he can do…
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Here:
There are a lot of options, but I’ll make it a short(ish) list and we’ll start with offensive players (also, you can’t have a ‘breakout year’ in this case if you’ve had good or great years in the past)
by wyte_lightning on Aug 7, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
oops, got it.
but…he’s only had one good season, with brett favre, and derw rosenhaus is his agent…so he parlayed that into bidtime cash. i hope he stays healthy, cuz he has hip arthritis.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
i'm just pointing out that he has a degenerative condition.
hopefully his surgery has removed the impingement, cuz that would accelerate the condition.
the vikes offered him a contract, but they obviously didn’t offer him the kind of gauranteed money that you guys did. but i’m glad he found a good situation for himself.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
He us making fun of the hip arthritis/degenerative condition bit
Which is an unsubstantiated rumor with only one source.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 8, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
get real, that's not making fun of anything....
as a viiking fan, i think that we have been scrutinizing this issue a lot more than you probably have. there was a lot of shenanigans going on with the injury and the disclosure….during a period when drew rosenslut was trying to get him signed to a mega-deal. fai surgery is no joke. a torn labrum and the debris can cause bigtime problems. but each case is different. i hope rice has a long career…but he needs to run and jump in order to play wide receiver, and if he has any cysts, it’s only going to accelerate the degeneration to be playing on it. why do you think the vikes didn’t offer him the payday you guys did?
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Look, this is where we all admit we just don't know.
Seattle FO took a risk based on the advice of their team doctors; Minnesota did the same. We’ll see how it shakes out down the road. $18m guaranteed is not that much to have to eat if the worst-case scenario comes through.
I think I know enough of hate/ To say that for destruction Rice/ Is also great/ And would suffice.
Scrutiny does not make evidence though
In the end, we have deductive reasoning and one ill-sourced rumor to point to arthritis. It is a bit presumptive to then definitively say “he has hip arthritis” as if it’s fact. He might, he might not, I don’t know
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 8, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
i saw your quick story on sidney rice's condition....
deductive reasoning would have it that your very own link to the microfracture surgery article determines that….indeed he does have hip arthritis.
you however didn’t cover the events as they occured at the outset. he went from healthy to injured in the nfccg in 2010, to x-rays showing a damaged hip, to non-disclosure of said injury to the team, to reports that he would be ready for camp, to drew rosenhaus mega-deal contract negotiations. however, his condition quickly worsened and then he ultimately needed surgery performed on his hip which included, allegedly, microfracture surgery.
if a hip joint undergoes microfracture surgery, then there is a condition that is being treated to increase blood flow to encourage the development of fibrocartilige to fill in a cyst. this very condition IS arthritis. plus, you didn’t seem to do a lot of research into the back story. it was pretty revealing about how he arrived at the point where he needed such a procedure….also, you may have noticed something about a 2010 kidney procedure too….no?
i’m glad you took it upon yourself to post that story, as your deductive reasoning supports the conclusion of the presence of hip arthritis! good job, chief.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Deductive reasoning
The kidney procedure must have been a transplant which reintroduced the chicken pox virus—SHINGLES! Also, cat Aids can cause joint inflammation so arthritis still supports my unsupported diagnosis. Where you are dead wrong is calling Beekers “chief”. He is Dutch and everyone knows William V of Orange killed off all their native Americans.
Efren Herrera is my spirit animal
I almost wanted to say there was no Willem the 5th
But then I remembered he was our last stadholder.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 10, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It is, but it isn't
Most people, when they say arthritis, mean osteoarthritis, which is a degenerative condition. Not all cartilage damage or inflamed joints are by definition arthritis, or by definition degenerative conditions. You’re making a leap in logic that is not proven.
I didn’t cover his tiff with the kind of negativity Vikes fans would like but that’s because it got overblown by Vikings media/fans, and that is of no interest to me.
I ignored the kidney procedure because it’s even more unsubstantiated.
But hey, if you wish to read the article so that it reaches your conclusions, feel free.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 10, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Arthritis is a group of disorders, by the way, not a condition
Just an FYI.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 10, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sidney Rice already had his break out year. You can't break out twice.
Also, there is no chance of Rice repeating his 2009 numbers with us this year.
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The guy has already been to a Pro Bowl
Usually guys with $40+ million contracts have already broken out, unless you’re Bill Bavasi giving out the checks.
Golden Tate is to route running, what Taco Bell is to Mexicans.
Gonna go with Curry
I’m being more hopeful than rational here.
by Mariner_Drunkard on Aug 7, 2011 2:25 PM PDT reply actions
You know, Curry would make a good full back
… if he didn’t have to catch the ball.
I believe that with the
greatly improved O-Line J-Force will hit 1,000 total yards from scrimmage this year with at least 700 of those totin’ the rock. In fact I believe that BeastForce will come close to or go beyond 2,000 rushing yards this season, leading the Hawks to their second straight West Division title. Student body left, baby!
The other Hawk that could do well this year would be T-Jack. If he can be anymore accurate than an epileptic with a tommy gun, Williams, Rice, Tate and ….God help me I forgot the name of the kid done broke his leg on that TD last year in the Raider game/fiasco….anyhow, I think we have the receivers that can go get it if it can be got.
Um...
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And you’re thinking of Deon Butler.
by wyte_lightning on Aug 7, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah BUTLER!
Man that kid showed some moxie last season. I hope he’s back asap. Not because he’s needed, team seems pretty loaded at wide out but because he’s fun to watch.
Butler is who you are talking about
But it was in the San Fran game.
by spokahawk on Aug 7, 2011 3:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
so you are expecting 2700 rush yards from 2 backs? and i thought i was a homer...
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Nope
A combined 2000. 1300 for Beast, 700 for Force. Combined….35 TD’s.
by Michael Harp on Aug 10, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don't see Baldwin making the team.
Rice, BMMFW, Obomanu, Tate, Durham, and then Butler on the PUP. If the team keeps 6, I’d be shocked if they took him over Stanbeck. But I will say Baldwin has drawn several cheers from myself in the 3 camp visits I’ve made this year. He does seem like quite the slot machine.
Golden Tate is to route running, what Taco Bell is to Mexicans.
doesnt pup list take him off the 53?
in which case keeping baldwin makes sense. Not sure how we can discuss who will or will not make the team yet though. Havent even seen a preseason game!
He said if Butler's spot clears up Stanback would take it
Right now that makes sense. Things will change as we play pre-season games, and as we add guys following other teams cutting down.
Hope we add some more reliable offensive line and defensive depth.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I meant.
If Butler avoids PUP: Obomanu, Rice, Tate, BMMFW, Butler, and Durham. If he starts on PUP, Stanback gets the spot. But like you said, things will definitely change. Injuries, disappointments, surprises, and transactions will occur fo sho over the next month.
Golden Tate is to route running, what Taco Bell is to Mexicans.
I think Baldwin makes it.
Morrah starts out on the PUP with Butler. So, they can flip between 3 & 4 TEs on the roster.
If the offer is good enough Carlson will be traded. Somebody will get hurt in pre-season. They’re going to find a spot for him if he continues to kick ass.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
If Baldwin keeps having the camp and pre-season he's having so far...
he’ll be on the team.
Pete, in an interview, stated they went after Baldwin hard, and he had 16 teams interested in him. They paid him the BULK of the signing bonus money they had left to ensure he would sign with them, more than all the other UDFA’s combined.
Baldwin had Mr. Luck throwing him passes the past couple of years, and was his clutch receiver. Pete, in several interviews over the past few days has specifically said Baldwin is not on likely to make the team, but not a surprise, they were hard core targeting him, and therefore gave him much more money than the other UDFA’s.
by BlueThruAndThru on Aug 7, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is this signing bonus info coming from?
Reports indicate both Baldwin and Lockette got significant chunks. I’ve seen no exact numbers.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
From a video inteview with Pete himself.
He specifically talked about Baldwin without being asked about him, and also mentioned that he was being sought after by around 16 teams, and that they had to give him the bulk of the signing bonus money they had to get him here. Pete has known him since he was a kid, as well. He recruited him back in high school too.
by BlueThruAndThru on Aug 7, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to see if a recording of that interview (I saw it live) was posted anywhere...
but haven’t seen it up anywhere yet. I’ll post a link to it if I can find it ASAP. Also, some good info on the Baldwin signing is right here at fieldgulls:
Where it was noted he got a lot of the signing money, along with Lockette, but also that JS sent him a personal handwritten note as well, something he didn’t get from others. An indication, perhaps, that Pete and JS both wanted him pretty bad.
by BlueThruAndThru on Aug 7, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
But they also gave Lockette a significant chunk
Where’s “more than all the other UDFAs combined” coming from?
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by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That was from the interview, and it was Pete talking, not JS, so not necessarily
technically correct either. Pete was pretty jacked about how Baldwin was doing, and he’s known to get over excited and talk a bit out of his behind at times. Still, his point was clear, he expects Baldwin to make this team, and thought out of all the UDFA’s, Baldwin was about the surest thing to make it.
Doesn’t mean he will, he’s got to keep up what he’s done so far. However, from the signing info we have documented, and Pete’s words, it seems he’s had his eye on Baldwin since high school, so it’s not like it’s necessarily a level playing field amongst the UDFA’s, for sure.
Baldwin’s no lock, but I think he’s a safer bet than Lockette (who might make it on the Practice squad), or sadly, Stanback, who I’m rooting for, but who probably isn’t as talented or experienced at receiver as Lockette or Baldwin. As much as I’d like to see Stanback make it, I think he’s less likely than either Lockette or Baldwin.
If they can’t find room for Baldwin due to Butler not being put on the PUP at the beginning of the season, then I bet they try and stash Baldwin on the PS, but he’ll be snagged from that, most likely. We’ll see what the pre-season games show, though, plenty of time for guys to play themselves onto or off of the hot prospects list!
by BlueThruAndThru on Aug 7, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't we think it strange...
…that if PC thought so much of Baldwin they didn’t use one of their 7th round picks on him? These were their last 3 picks:
8 (173) Maxwell, Byron DB
(From Lions)
7 2 (205) Levingston, Lazarius DL
(From Broncos through Lions)
7 39 (242) Smith, Malcolm OLB
Wouldn’t it have made more sense to use one of them on Baldwin, if he is that good?
(Compensatory Selection)
That's a very fair question to ask
and I don’t have an answer for it.
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That makes sense, but then they had to compete with 16 other teams to get him signed...
…with a fair chance he ends up somewhere else.
Not an issue if he is drafted…
They cared more about those players than the UDFAs
That’s a given
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 8, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Carpenter could be the breakout offensive player.
He was holding ground against red bryant in drills… not many tackles could do that last season as bryant consistantly pushed tackles into the pocket disrupting run lanes and pockets. Carpenter could silence the critics. (i also like moffitt if he continues his stellar work ethic)
Breaks
Charlie Whitehurst will break our hearts.
Tarvaris Jackson will break down his mistakes on tape, and hopefully improve.
Golden Tate will break the ankles of would-be tacklers.
Ben Obomanu will have a lot of breaks on the sidelines, as he’s been shuffled down the depth chart.
Justin Forsett will continue to break way more tackles than people think he will.
Cameron Morrah hopefully isn’t broke.
Anthony McCoy will break some people’s preconceptions that he’s only a blocking TE.
Isaiah Stanback will probably break a body part again. :(
by SgtSasquatch on Aug 7, 2011 3:05 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Russell Okung
He looked good as a rookie, but having missed 6 games last year, I think the year would have to be graded as incomplete. I think this year, as long as Gallery can stay off the back of Okung’s legs, we’ll see him ascend to being one of the premier LTs in the game.
For sure
I feel the need, since a lot of you were probably gone during the lockout, to pimp out my own write-ups on some of these players; Okung, Tate, Butler
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gonna go with Alan Branch
We must have him play well or our whole defense may fall apart without Cole.
This list is offense only
Okung - Gallery - Unger - Moffit - Carpenter
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Aug 7, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pulling for Obomanu
He showed flashes of a great receiver last year, explosiveness, hands, toughness. Hopefully he can stay healthy and have a great year.
Leon Washington
He has to battle the caveat “good or great prior season.” He was in the 2008 pro bowl, but for what? 800 total yards from scrimmage and 9 tds. I guess that’s a “good” season, but if he has 1,000 total yards and 10 tds, it would still be considered a break out year to me. I think 600 rushing and 400 receiving is possible.
But if he was already “good,” then my vote for “other” would be transferred to Tavaris.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
He was in the pro bowl as a kick returner, not a runner
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 7, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
then he's totally eligible for a break out season as a RB. no reason he's not on the list.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Aug 7, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going with Golden Tate
I don’t see what Jackson brings to suggest he’ll be anything other than a placeholder for our future college star. Minnesota’s offense is damn talented and Jackson looked painfully mediocre.
I went whale watching the other day. I think. There were a lot of people in that lake.
Yeah, It doesn't seem like they're building an offense for a QB to break out in.
Hand off and make the easy throws to the big recievers. Get 180 yards and game and watch the RBs carry the load.
I miss him
If you're a fan of basketball, watch a movie called Sonicsgate. It's free, just google it.
2011 Vancouver Canucks - The closest feeling to winning I've ever had.
Perusing the photo atop Danny's latest article,
I’d have to say Tarvaris is having some fun out there.
by broadbill birdwatcher on Aug 7, 2011 5:52 PM PDT reply actions
Heres to hopin its T-Jax
I know were salivating at some of the potential draft picks at QB we might get next aseason, but even the best of them can bust or not live up to hype. It seems like its always a gamble imo…..I’m thinking that T-Jax has as much upside (albeit unrealized to the most extent up until now) to be a really good starting QB, especially with PC’s guidance and the right tools and support. At least thats what I’m rooting for to a very large degree.
by RNTatz on Aug 7, 2011 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
How does that matter?
Nick Reed can fuck your sister without even being on the same planet.
by the other side on Aug 7, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Can? Nick Reed already did.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Aug 7, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Nick Reed fucked my sister, and I don't even have one.
by Hopefulmsfan on Aug 8, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, not anymore anyways.
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
by EequalsMc2 on Aug 8, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I had a sister, until Nick Reed fucked her so hard she became my brother.
Don’t ask me how; it’s the power of The Nick.
I want to say Unger.
But I’m sure that if our offensive line has much of any success we will still be able to pigeon-hole his performance…
So instead I’m gonna go with TJax.
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I voted Tate
But Id love it too be Tarvaris too. I really want a big play receiver but I love me a good risin from the ashes comeback story.
I voted Tate too
He’s got the skills, but made a lot of mistakes. Another year under his belt should help eliminate the mental errors. Plus he should find himself open a lot with opposing secondaries focused on Williams and Rice.
by central_scrutinizer on Aug 7, 2011 9:09 PM PDT reply actions
I went with Tate
He has a QB that can get him the ball were he is not just were he is suppose to be. This will take some pressure off of his route running. If he can get open in the general area were he is suppose to be a strong arm QB will get him the ball.
Tate needs another year
I don’t see him doing too much with the loaded situation at WR. Jackson on the other hand, is handed this opportunity. It’s sink or swim time.
by Heliocopris Dominus on Aug 7, 2011 10:01 PM PDT reply actions
Carpenter
Its really just a gut feeling, but I see him as catching on quick and silently solidify that RT spot this year. I think that with the way he was able to transfer from Junior College and step in day 1 at LT for Bama on a national championship run says a lot about this kids natural ability and feel for the game. I say silently because he’ll almost assuredly be overshadowed by the media’s natural focus on Okung.
Everything is relative of course
by boondocks on Aug 8, 2011 2:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Max Unger, No question.
And I’m actually a bit surprised his name hadn’t surfaced yet in this thread, but I understand why he has a low profile.
Coming out of Oregon it seemed that a lot of profiles had him playing guard and even tackle rather than center, predominant college position. At the very least he was probably best suited to play on the left side. However as a rookie on a Ruskell team forcing itself to compete, he was the piece that was forced to plug around the line randomly, starting his career with 13 starts at right guard while getting a shot to play center some center in the last 3 games following a Chris Spencer leg injury.
2nd year, more of the same leading up to his nasty toe injury in that awesome opening win against San Fran. However he was expected to play the majority of the season at right guard.
I believe Max has a lot of positives on has side headed into this season. One is that he should be 100% healthy as he was cleared to play following the end of the season prior to the beginning of the lockout. With his health in check, there appears to be no concerns about his conditioning or ability to go around the clock. In addition, one of his primary shortcomings his 1st year which I’m sure many of you remember Morgan consistently harping on was his significant lack of size. In his 1st quarterly report of the O-line in 2010 after Unger went down, he credits Ben Hamilton for his ability to “get moved back rather than walked through like Max Unger.”
Another post leading up to the ’10 season was simply a set of slides with Unger on his backside, alone, while trying to pull block. Slapstick Unger
In summary JM leaves us with this succint line;
Max Unger is good at football. Max Unger has relatively ordinary physical ability. No matter how he progresses as a player, he will never be standout strong, standout fast or standout large.
But here we are in 2011 and I can safely say Unger looks a good deal bigger. He no longer looks to be hovering around (read below) 300, but a solid 310-315 NFL lineman. The size concerns are further nullified by his move to center where he should face fewer one-on-one matchups in pass pro. with big ol’ D-tackles. Physically, he can play the part.
His intelligence and football acumen have never been questioned and I believe that’s why Mora and Carroll seemed comfortable moving him around given some physical deficiencies. That or having rosters being completely devoid of serviceable talent. But I digress.
He knows the NFL now. No surprises and no excuses. While the addition of Gallery for on the field support is an obvious bonus, I’m also very excited to have Unger be under coach Cable’s tutelage. The guy just fires me up and makes me want to call someone a dumbass and justifiably hit them. If Unger can hold down the center spot for the foreseeable future, Cable will undoubtedly have had a hand in it.
In addition, there is no immediate competition. Heck, besides Mike Gibson, the next most viable candidate for center would be Moffit, and then you end up back at the whole rookie in the middle thing.
Unger has all the tools and opportunities to succeed at his natural position in 2011. For these reasons he is my favorite to surpass his expectations this year and become the Tobeck we all want him to be. Just on the field though, as I think Moffit has dibs on the funny man gig.
Result, 2 seasons
by mjkleko on Aug 8, 2011 3:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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