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49ers Dispatch Seahawks 33-17: The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly

Look, there are about a million ways to skin a cat when it comes to post-game recaps. I'm still trying to find my favorite so I'm testing out the Good, Bad, and Ugly cliche. Bear with me - I think it does help to bring up some good points about the game anyway.

The Good:

Do you want the good news or the bad news first? I guess I'll start with the good news. The Seahawks put themselves in a position to win this game. They were down two points with under four minutes to go. Really, you have to be happy about that. Obviously, giving up two touchdowns to Ted Ginn Jr in the matter of a minute after pulling to within three hurt the Seahawks chances of getting a W, but as ugly and boring of a game it was, I was still interested till right up near the end. 

The defense looked pretty good actually. Especially the run defense. The Hawks gave up 209 total yards on offense to the 49ers, and that's pretty impressive. They limited the Niners to TEN yards of offense in the crucial third quarter, so that is very encouraging as well. Apart from a few stupid offsides plays, the defense didn't make many bonehead plays. The defense held Frank Gore to 59 yards rushing, which is respectable. 

Most importantly, the Hawks defense was stout in third down situations -- holding San Francisco to 1/12 on that down. The 49ers were 1/5 in the red zone, so kudos to the defense for that too.

Doug Baldwin looks to be the steal of undrafted free agency, league wide. He came up with several big third down catches for first downs, and broke off a 55-yard touchdown run after making a catch and turning on the jets. He's a lot faster on the field than anyone was giving him credit for coming out of Stanford. He finished with 4 catches for 83 yards. 

Kam Chancellor and Earl Thomas looked like the real deal in the Seahawks' secondary. ET seemed to be everywhere, notching two tackles for a loss today and Kam Chancellor, not to be outdone, finished with 10 tackles, and two of those were for a loss as well. 

Finally - halftime adjustments looked good. The Seahawks were outgained 128 yards to 37 in the first half but came back after the break and outgained the Niners 103-10 in the third quarter. They looked to be poised to finish the comeback and win it in the fourth after trailing by 16 at half but were undone by special teams suckitude. Speaking of...

The Bad:

Special teams, the one thing that might have been considered "elite" from last year's team, didn't show up to play today. Apart from the two touchdown returns to Ted Ginn Jr in the fourth quarter that eliminated any chance the Seahawks had at a win, there was the block in the back that negated a 73-yard punt return for Leon Washington and a roughing the kicker penalty that gave the 49ers a new set of downs from the 1-yard line. 

Brandon Browner was called for both of these, and though both of them were pretty questionable in my opinion, it seemed like the Hawks were shooting themselves in the foot on every single special teams play. Need to rein that in.

The run game. The pass protection. The offensive line. The first half especially, but the offensive line didn't look good. Not much push in the run game. Tarvaris Jackson wasn't given a lot of time. I'm not really too hung up on this though because only two players had ever started in the NFL. What other NFL team trots out an offensive line like that? It doesn't happen often, I would think, and there's a reason for it. 

Now, I think there's definite room for improvement. The second half showed that. We just need to be patient with it, really. 

Michael Robinson has a high-ankle sprain, suffered early in the game. This is bad. He's a special teams ace. The special teams sure didn't look good in the second half. Coincidence? Probably not. Mike Karney might be getting a call tonight.

Tarvaris Jackson doesn't get a free pass because the line wasn't very good. He just didn't look good out there, and fumbled the ball three times and lost two of them. He also threw an interception (now I'm confusing myself... was the 'interception' the fumble that the 49ers caught?... or did he have another interception too?... sorry I'm drunk). He wasn't quick or decisive - though he did look a little bit better in the 2nd half. He didn't step up into the pocket on a couple of key plays and took sacks. He missed his receivers on more than a few occasions.  

It wasn't all bad though, so let's not all jump to conclusions. Charlie Whitehurst isn't going to get the keys to the castle tomorrow. Patience, well, is really the only option we have. 

The Ugly:

Frickin penalties man. Penalties annoy me so much. Russell Okung had two false starts. Those practices missed didn't help. A couple offsides infractions for no apparent reason. 11 penalties will not get you a win. 

Turnovers. Three turnovers. The Seahawks defense didn't force a turnover. It's amazing the Hawks were even in this game in the fourth quarter.

OK, so I'll have a lot more in the coming days, but those are my initial thoughts. What do you guys think?

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The Good

They were better than I thought they’d be. And the defense looks like a solid NFL D. It’s just that the O is going to leave them on the field way too much.

And the Steelers got pounded today. That’s always cause for celebration.

by robbbbbb on Sep 11, 2011 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Well....`

Next weeks game will be a very good barometer for the Defense!!!

"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."

by Fenrishawk on Sep 11, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is going to be...

A painful learning season. Even the most studious and ardent Hawk fan knows this is a transition season. Plenty of things to hang the hat on, but the special teams disaster… unacceptable.,,the bright spot is they coached them up at halftime, but alas a stellar defensive effort laid to waste by special teams. I actually don’t feel so bad, considering how the Defense played, not all was lost!

"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."

by Fenrishawk on Sep 11, 2011 6:27 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

We did a lot of things wrong

and a few things right. And we STILL held strong until the late fourth quarter. There were some very encouraging signs that if we can avoid costly penalties and get our act together, that this could be a very good team someday.

Very disappointing loss, especially with the blowup on special teams, but nothing a lot of us probably weren’t expecting.

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- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan

"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"

by Clendy on Sep 11, 2011 6:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah -- the 'miraculously still in the game despite playing mediocre' thing is beginning to be the Seahawks formula.

I suppose it can’t be bad, considering the turnover and lack of talent we’ve seen here in the last two year. Good things ahead? I can see it.

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FIELDGULLS

by Danny Kelly on Sep 11, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okung looked really uneven

As for the defense, it was kind of helped by the bizarre playcalling for the 49ers. I know it’s a WCO, but you don’t keep running and dink and dumping on 3rd and long, guys

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 11, 2011 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Haven't gone back to re-watch yet

Thoughts on Giacomini and Carpenter’s play?

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FIELDGULLS

by Danny Kelly on Sep 11, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Need to re-watch too, so not much to say

But from what I remember I wasn’t impressed by Giacomini. Don’t have much to say on Carpenter yet.

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 11, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only caught the last 1 1/2 quarters

But it looked to me like Carpenter was doing better at LG than at RT. The plays I saw him beat by the Niners’ defense, it seemed Okung had the same problem. But I couldn’t really see any plays that we could point to him alone and say he was the sole problem.

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- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan

"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"

by Clendy on Sep 11, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carpenter

I would like one of the powers to be to make a fanpost about his play in this game.

by Jazzercise! on Sep 12, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

The run defense has only gotten better since last year

No Seattle D in the last five years could have held any team to two straight three-and-outs at the goal line. Still, after the first four or five runs were stuffed, I’d have expected some kind of deep end zone fade.

"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan

"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"

by Clendy on Sep 11, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that's what Harbaugh's Offense is going to look like,

The 49er’s will be fighting the Seahawks for worst record in the league.

I’d like to believe the Seahawks’ secondary was that good, but I think the 49er playcalling was just plain bad.

by Groundhog on Sep 11, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 way battle with the Colts.

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by hazbro24 on Sep 12, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

The “Good” the defense…. better than I expected.

The “Bad” the offensive line… not any better than the first preseason game

The “UGLY” Tarvaris Jackson …. he looked scared, incompetent, and just straight ugly.

by Lawrie on Sep 11, 2011 6:33 PM PDT reply actions  

The offensive line is going to be eaten alive

and its gonna take some time to transition to Gallery when he comes back too.
Our run D looks legit, but we’re gonna have trouble with even mediocre passing teams.

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by dcrockett17 on Sep 11, 2011 6:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Picking the nit..

Seahawks were down by two points, not three.

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 11, 2011 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks -- even better. (worse?)

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FIELDGULLS

by Danny Kelly on Sep 11, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Carroll doesn't sound happy
"It felt really like we were right there to take this game over, then we just fell apart in the kicking game."

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 11, 2011 6:42 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm sure he really wanted to hand Harbaugh a loss.

To nearly secure a comeback win only to allow two TD returns within a minute is pretty mind-numbing.

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by Wayward Llama on Sep 12, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

When we went down 16-0, I expected a blowout

I’m really impressed how we were able to turn things around and keep the game competitive in the 4th quarter.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 11, 2011 6:43 PM PDT reply actions  

About his interception

It was on a hail mary closing out the first half, I wouldn’t really count it against his performance.

by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 11, 2011 6:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Aye.

The fumbles were squarely on him though, and very typical of QBs with poor pocket presence

Formerly Known As Vasilii

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 11, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't really count hail mary interceptions against him, true

but I was still very unimpressed with his performance overall. Less than 40 offensive yards in the first half, and the few decent passes he completed were mostly yards after completion.

He seems . . . timid. It might just be because we’re so used to seeing Hasselbeck trying so hard to make something happen that it backfires, but it seems like TJack isn’t trying to make anything happen. He doesn’t want to win, he just wants to not lose.

"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan

"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"

by Clendy on Sep 11, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He DID throw it off his back foot though.

That was just foolish.

Now with more pessimism!

by Fear on Sep 11, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chancellor is the real deal.

Chancellor looks good back there. He can hit. Man am I stoked for our DB’s. ET and Chancellor are a scary combo, even in their second year.

by UWhawk on Sep 11, 2011 6:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Tavaris seems like a real nice kid who will give 100%

I just don’t think he has the mental capacity to do the job. Period. Not a lot of guy do. The NFL plays friggin fast as hell . Don’t care here goes …Charlie!! Charlie!!

by Richard fg7 on Sep 11, 2011 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Gotta wait until the bye.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

because the bye week will suddenly make a career 2nd/3rd stringer into a worthwhile starting Qb…

Oh Seneca, where art though?

by wyobo on Sep 11, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, the bye will simply allow PC to gracefully make the change in the starting roster, and give his new starting QB...

…an extra week to prep for the game.

It won’t happen until then for the same reason.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that's what happens when you start the season with the 3rd best QB on the roster...

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won't get to watch the game until tomorrow...

…but I listened to the 49ners broadcasts (I really can’t stand to listen anymore to Moon) and it was very interesting to hear how they called the game.

They mentioned again and again how the left side of the line (Okung/Carp) was blown back.

My question/surprise: how the hell did Baldwin not get drafted? How does an UDFA rookie come on his first game as the leading WR and making the clutch catches? Amazing.

The defense sounded really good (although we have to remember – the niners are not very good).

The announcers commented several times on open WRs that Jackson didn’t see/throw to. But I suppose that is common.

And it sounded like Thomas was all over the place and made some great plays in the backfield.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I shouldn't be dissing Moon - we went to school together at the UW - not that he remembers...me, I mean.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a bad broadcaster.

I think it’s fine to say he’s terrible at it since it’s his job.

Now with more pessimism!

by Fear on Sep 11, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was thinking about that today

Dick Stockton and John Lynch (and Brian Billick) were competent announcers with poor habits: the obsessive use of the NFL’s full name, the elliptical color commentary that ends up re-stating what was originally said. and this “they’re looking pretty good, the offensive line is” weird phrasing. But they call attention to aspects of plays that may not be obvious to a viewer.
 
Warren Moon is a terrible announcer with poor habits. He’s bad at speaking, nor does he provide the remotest insight. It’s a tragedy that he does color for TWO football programs.

by Will Kier on Sep 11, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm actually sort of a fan of Lynch's.

He seems prone to mentioning things that weren’t obvious on camera and avoiding drivel. That may be because he doesn’t do all the play by play, but still I find him far better then most of the announcers we hear.

Now with more pessimism!

by Fear on Sep 11, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh yes!

I don’t mean to sound like I’m hating on the first group. It’s fun to complain about their weird tics but listening to Lynch and Billick I definitely feel I understand the chess game better.

by Will Kier on Sep 11, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

SI's NFL broadcasting guide

Link

runs down CBS and FOX’s announcers

best news I’ve heard? Joe Buck has a weakened voice and may have to spend a year recuperating

by Will Kier on Sep 11, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Got no insight whatsoever from FOX's broadcast.

It was as basic as football commentary can be. Calling Brandon Mebane for a special teams tackle was just silly. And you could tell they were being corrected off-mike just about every other sentence. Awful.

by Groundhog on Sep 11, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really liked how they said Jackson...

is the only starting QB the Seahawks have had besides Hasselbeck since 2001… Er, huh?

Bite the wax tadpole.

by Chirp on Sep 11, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that made me think,

until I realized they meant “to start the season.”

by Groundhog on Sep 11, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh.

I guess that might make sense. I just thought they forgot about the other guys…

Bite the wax tadpole.

by Chirp on Sep 11, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dick Stockton was beyond bad.

It was kind of surreal. OK so right off the bat he gets two downs & distances wrong, not a big deal, not altogether unexpected. A few wrong names, somewhat to be expected.

But he took care to point out how Marshawn Lynch was split out wide right as a receiver. The same Marshawn Lynch who was handed off to for a gain of 2, the very same play. No correction or anything. Like what was he watching?

Receiver catches over Curry and gets pushed out of bounds, Stockton cites Thomas with the stop who was still 3 steps away. Cites Trufant with a tackle on “Tracy Morgan” (30 Rock?) when Tru blew the tackle and Thomas cleaned up. I mean Stockton’s been bad and inaccurate for years, but this was rapidfire wrongness, it was just kind of surreal. These were just the errors I remember. There were over 2 dozen at least. Brandon Mebane did not return that kickoff return. Completely unacceptable, why does Fox not do something about this? I was embarrassed for him, and I give announcers a lot of slack.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Sep 11, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to defend Stockton, but when I watch a game I can barely tell who is who.

When you’re watching on TV you generally can only see one half at the uniform at best, and during the play there’s usually so much movement it’s hard to keep track of everyone. I know these guys are professionals and are supposed to be able to sort these kinds of things out, but…..it’s not an easy job, either.

by J.L. White on Sep 11, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. It means he's relying on his eyes from the booth rather than the monitors available to him.

The guys in the booth have insanely detailed, real-time information on everything that’s happening, including enormous diagrams calling out who is who at each position before each play. For what these guys get paid, I dont think there’s any excuse for that.

by jhmg16 on Sep 11, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

At least it isn't Billick

I heard him use the word “impetus” incorrectly on two different occasions; and then he straight up made up the word “trickerations”. It’s f’ing “trickery”, Brian.

by gongawz on Sep 12, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trickerations was made up by a certain Texan. IIRC

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by hazbro24 on Sep 12, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Letting Brian Davis go was a huge mistake.

What is it with teams insisting that former local players are automatically better? Davis/Raible was a great combination. Moon never adds anything I didn’t already get from the play by play.

by EvilSammy on Sep 11, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Carroll took away from this game.

Does he see TJ that threw terrible passes, gained most of his yards on YAC, and just seemed to check down all game? Or does he see a stopped run game, and TJ not throwing any meaningful ints?

He may come away with the belief that really, we need to do better in the running game and then TJ will be fine. And he may feel TJ did exactly what was asked of him: didn’t knock us out of the game and gave our running game a chance to do something (which they failed at).

Now with more pessimism!

by Fear on Sep 11, 2011 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Even though i'd love to see whitehurst

its not gonna happen until after the bye week. You need to give Tarvaris a shot once he has Rice out there, and more continuity on the o-line. He needs to develop more chemistry with his receivers to take those shots downfield. Personally I doubt he will do any better but what do we have to lose by giving him a chance? I saw mediocre line play in the second half which is a HUGE improvement over the preseason. Lots of those sacks were Tarvaris’s fault, not throwing it to his receivers and running around his pocket with no idea what was happening around him. Overall, im stoked for the future, lots of bright spots on the D.

by 12thseattlefan on Sep 11, 2011 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Let me ask the forum, and those who watched the game: does CW win this one, everything else being equal?

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't want to go that far

but I also don’t think were that anemic on offense in the first half. Some production of any kind in that half certainly could have been the difference. Plus I think Charlie is better at making you pay for blitzing him.

by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 11, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think we would have gotten some points in the first half

tavaris had itchy feet all day and missed lots of throws and made the easy throws really hard for the receiver to catch. normally you want the quarterback to ‘put where only his guy can get it’ but most of his throws were ‘only where his guy could get it by performing acrobatics.’

by clarka on Sep 11, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one wins

TJ gets 4-6 games to start before being eventually benched for Charlie, who eventually gets benched towards the end of the year.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 11, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree 1 million percent with that. Which is why I pose the question.

I am counting wins and losses, with the idea of drafting an elite QB next year. Once that happens, current course and speed, I plan on looking forward to a Patriot-like play-off/SB run in the next decade.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

TJack wins this one

if the team played in the first half the way the came out in the second. It was such a large turnaround for the whole team that it’s hard to say if Charlie does any better if he played with that first half performance.

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- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan

"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"

by Clendy on Sep 11, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'd bet he wouldn't have

but i think that with more pocket presence and WR awareness, something that i think CW displays some more than TJack, the Hawks may have punched in a FG or a single TD. who knows, but I’m all for giving TJack some opportunities regardless, and i won’t join the CW bandwagon until past the bye week

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

As bad as the O was at times,

You can’t say TJack lost this one. I’d put CW in the same category. And honestly, Alex Smith was just as bad.

by Groundhog on Sep 11, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It sounded like Smith was horrible. Either that, or the Seattle defense really good.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bad playcalling, period.

Smith was instructed not to lose the game, just like TJack, I’m sure.

by Groundhog on Sep 11, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think he gives us a much better shot at this game.

I don’t care of Tarvaris has JERRY Rice out there, he’s not getting the ball out of his hands and he’s coughing up the ball constantly. (3 Fumbles, 5 Sacks)

by pacificsands on Sep 11, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doubt it.

Just woulda been in a smaller hole to open the 2nd half.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Sep 11, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think CW wins it.

CW would have probably gotten sacked twice as much, which would have negated the several additional passing plays he MIGHT have connected with.

The way the line was playing in the first half, and the way NO receivers had time to get open, I don’t think any QB avoids the loss.

by HititHere on Sep 12, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

i don't think the punt return for a touchdown happens with CW.

we might have scored ten points in the first half and held them to ten with that extra time of possession. later in the game, whitehurst may have sustained the drive the ended up in the punt return for a td and it could’ve been a game. Who knows? maybe we’ll get to see later in the season

by 12thseattlefan on Sep 11, 2011 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Moot because the game is over and TJax played the entire thing - but speculatively...

…I was thinking the same thing. Sustain that drive and no punt return.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

And they needed to sustain and score to win the game.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hasslebeck throws game ending INT

One thing i noiced is in this situation with hasslebeck he would mythodically move the team down the field until he made a bone head interception, usually costing the game as often as he won one.
I think a lot of people still expect this kinda play, Dave kraig did that as well. its kinda a seahawks QB tradition started by Jim zorn.
Anyhow, while TJ lost a few fumbles, he only threw one INT, a hail at the end of the half. More a coaching error than a throwing error.
TJ did look spooked the first half, but came out calm and composed for most of the second half. Not coincidentily, it was right after we got a few decent runs. I betting the 49ers played 8 in the box most of the first half, daring TJ to beat them, expect more of that, but you would see that if Clip board Jesus was in there too.

by Oliudyen on Sep 12, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mythodically

Is the perfect term for the national perspective of how Hasselbeck ran the Seahawks offense the last few years. The myth of his methodical(ness).

by creid on Sep 12, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

We get interceptions when we have no run game.

Hasselbeck was pretty normal in Tennessee this week: 21/34, 263 yards, 2tds, 1 int, which was in the final minute when they were trying to get into position to tie the game. Chris Johnson ran for 29 yards or something and Kenny Britt was the only receiver who caught anything. If there were some division of quarterbacks who are ranked on how well they play with both hands tied behind their backs, Hasselbeck would be right up there with Fitzpatrick and the Titans’ previous qb.

by EthelGemerman on Sep 12, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good, Bad, Ugly...

I was ahead in my matchup before Googly closed the fantasy league I was in. The 12th one I think.

Good-I win
Bad- I won’t win next week
Ugly- overly emotional people.

by SGT Lenny on Sep 11, 2011 7:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Alas, the loss of our league has touched my heart.

I agree with your good, bad and ugly. I was going to win, too…might be one of the many reasons the league was closed. I was playing the lowly Googley…

Bite the wax tadpole.

by Chirp on Sep 11, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha nice

It is what it is, it’s the first time I’ve ever played. I figured with all the talk about it I should try. I had Flacco who destroyed the Steelers, so I guess it all works out in the end. Maple Bars had no chance down well over 25.

by SGT Lenny on Sep 11, 2011 7:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

What do I think? I think the Seahawks will go into the bye week 0-5

Hopefully they can beat AZ at home, but other than that the other games dont look good for the Seahawks. This is going to be a brutal stretch of games for the fans to watch.

by Bellevue on Sep 11, 2011 7:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep - this was the game to win.

About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron

by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

They REALLY needed this game

Away – Steelers
Home – Cardinals
Home – Falcons
Away – Giants
BYE

They gotta at least win vs the divisional opponents.

by Bellevue on Sep 11, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best case 2-3?

More likely 1-4, but a win @NYG is more possible than a home W against ATL.

Wk 2- 38-13 Pitt
Wk 3- 23-20 Sea
Wk 4- 31-20 Atl
Wk 5- 23-21 ???

If Seattle is 2-3 TJack keeps his job. 1-4 he still keeps his job if he plays well (to whatever guidelines are set for him).

IMHO

by SGT Lenny on Sep 11, 2011 8:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully it doesn't depend so much on the record...

…but on how TJax plays. And how CW does in practice. It sounds like TJax is playing pretty much like we have seen all pre-season, and most of his career, and if that continues you’d hope that PC would give CW his chance.

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by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

But it’s easier to bench a team captain with a horrendous record.

by SGT Lenny on Sep 11, 2011 8:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

well

let’s all start getting in to the ‘i expect to lose and hope to stay in the game for the first half’ mentality.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Penalties: very odd game.

Some silly calls (roughing kicker, Obu personal foul), makeup calls (PF calls against SF after the kicker debacle), inconsistant calls, (every Seahawk return included a Push-in-the-back, none for SF), plus the Delay-of-game AND the false start that the 49er’s tried to slip past the Seahawks on the FG for a little better kicking angle (both declined).

by Groundhog on Sep 11, 2011 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Penalties

The ‘in the same space as the kicker when he flops’ penalty was cornpoopie, but it didn’t cost us.

The ‘block in the side’ that got called as a block in the back on the punt return was a little iffy, very costly.

The ‘defenseless receiver’ call against the Niners was pretty weak too, I thought. If this is gonna get called all year, it’s going to suck; shoulder pad to shoulder pad? You can’t hit a guy with the intent of knocking the ball loose now?

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by Azimeir on Sep 12, 2011 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The sickening thing is,

I think (1) the defense played very well, (2) the receivers have a lot of talent, (3) the line performed slightly better than expected (if you expected them to play bad).

So, if we had even average play at quarterback, I think we could do some real damage. I saw enough of T-Sack before he ever came to the team, but I’ve seen way too much at this point. Carroll is all about accountability, and not putting the ball on the ground. How long is Joke going to get away with it?

by pacificsands on Sep 11, 2011 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I think

Browner got two bad calls because he came from the Candian league and NFL Refs. don’t like guys that come from Canada. If you look at all his other play in this game he was very good.
All your other points I agree with.
I really don’t think Jackson will play any better than he did tonight. The rest of the team will grow with seasoning. I hope they give Karney that call, we really need a blocking FB.
Kudos to Chancellor, Thomas, Baldwin the D-line.
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by SeaHawk Steve on Sep 11, 2011 7:58 PM PDT reply actions  

About Browner - did he earn those penalties, or were they poor calls by the refs?

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by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

The PI in the endzone was kinda ticky-tack.

Definitely a good deal of contact, but it was going both ways. Edwards could just as easily have been called for a push-off. BB turned his head and made a clear play for the ball.

The “block in the back” on Leon’s turn was utter bullshit. And the roughing the kicker call was even more absurd.

by Matt Erickson on Sep 11, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks - even the niner broadcasters called the calls kind of ticky-tack.

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by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

the PI is the right call following the rulebook.

The catch would have been made IMO. Roughing the Kicker (even in slomo) was just pure BS. I think all Kickers/punters are “trained” to fall if contact may happen. He fell, the ref saw him fall, Browner was there, easy call. Although obviously wrong, in full speed it could have been easy to see it either way.

The other play I don’t recall, I’ve already started blocking my memory (alcohol involved) of the game that transpired today. Hopefully all in my mind so I can wake up and watch the “actual” game.

by SGT Lenny on Sep 11, 2011 8:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Both players have a right to the ball

And contact is illegal for both receiver and defender.
The contact that happened came before the receptions attempt and it was made by both players.

by vertigoman on Sep 11, 2011 8:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Both of those penalties were bullshit

PI call like you said was ticky tack but could as easily been called on the Off. 7 pts.
Illegal block was flat out wrong. His head was on the front side of the player blocked. Just a good clean hit.
Roughing the kicker was a joke. Even the kicker didn’t think he wax hit.

by vertigoman on Sep 11, 2011 8:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Edwards was pissed

Cause browner had him on lock most of the game. He was constantly crying to the refs after every play, that is what caught up to browner. Edwards has NFL cred, browner has canadian cred, worth about 1/10 of an nfl cred.

by Oliudyen on Sep 12, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

He earned them

If there’s shoving and pulling the endzone then that will get called on the defender more than not, that’s just how it goes. He prevented a sure TD by holding to a guy’s jersey. Calling that ticky tacky is a stretch

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 11, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

In that case, not a bad penalty, given the alternative.

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by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

That’s a situation where you take the penalty with a smile.

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 11, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the contact occurs before the ball is thrown,

It, should have been illegal contact, not PI, right? The contact I saw when the ball was thrown was all from the WR.

by Groundhog on Sep 11, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looked to me like Browner had his hands all over Edwards before he made his break.

Then Edwards did all the pushing and grabbing as the ball was in the air. Smart play by Browner, I thought. Illegal Contact at worst, I thought.

I thought wrong.

by Groundhog on Sep 11, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The announcers said his right hand was on Edwards

but in the review his right hand is clearly visable and its not touching edwards. FYI.

by Oliudyen on Sep 12, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of a certain Offensive pass interference call

in a certain super bowl.

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by hazbro24 on Sep 12, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think we can be upset about those penalties.

They were correct. They were also of the nature that some players occasionally get away with. I get the feeling there will be lots of that nature that we will get away with, and none of us will know because we won’t see it. Because they won’t be called and subsequently shown on screen.

The roughing the passer penalty was very bad. One of the three? encroachment penalties was unwarranted, the one where their right tackle clearly false started, clearly thought the ball was snapped into play. Because eligible receivers can move and re-set, and even linemen can move to some degree, so long as the entire offense re-sets for at least one second before the ball is snapped, there is some leeway in the rules to allow for that not to be a false start. And when the line judge didn’t blow the whistle and Wilkerson and the rest of the gang force their hand, it made sense that we weren’t going to get away with that. It’s not allowed nor should it be. However, that all being said, the guy clearly thought the ball had been snapped and the penalty should have been on him.

Tripplett’s crew actually did a very good job. Several plays looked to me like they should have been difficult for them to get right, but in each case they got it right and instantly. They were a little hard on the 49ers early and a little too sensitive overall. The roughing penalty on us was egregious, but otherwise they did a very good job.

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by jacobstevens on Sep 11, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah seems like there is just lots of pressure on them

what with all the new rules and stuff

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, the Seahawks were wrong on the encroachment.

The Tackle was Eligible, and could move. His jerky movement backward made it look like he was jumping, but he immediately re-set. It was obviously a well-designed trick to get the encroachment and the first down. It was made more obvious when the 49er’s didn’t go for it again on 4th down. Harbaugh had no intention of running a play there.

That’s an Only-works-once-play, and it didn’t end up hurting the Seahawks at all. Wasted move by Harbaugh, ’cause the rest of the NFL will probably copy it and catch on pretty quickly.

by Groundhog on Sep 12, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The refs knew he was eligible which was why they didn't blow the whistle.

But they should have. You can’t jerk like that.

No player of offensive team may charge or move abruptly, after assuming set position, in such manner as to lead defense to believe snap has started.

There’s gray area since eligible receivers can go in motion. That necessitates moving and re-setting.

It seemed intentional, and seems like the officials also thought it might have been since he declared and they somewhat expected him to do something receiver-like. But the body language convinced me he was expecting a snap and felt sheepish afterwards. The refs got this one wrong.

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by jacobstevens on Sep 12, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

By your interpretation a TE can't motion out of the line prior to the snap

I think you’re reading the rules wrong. He was essentially playing TE, and that made it legal.

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's distinguishing between "moving and re-setting"

and “jerking”. The OT who moved “jerked” back as if into a blocking stance, but didn’t really “move” any distance along the LoS and re-set.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 12, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

It’s undoubtedly not allowed nor should it be. The idea that it’s legal is somewhat predicated on the idea that it was done intentionally to instigate encroachment, which is the very spirit of the rule in the first place.

NFL rules are often written poorly. This could definitely be written better, but it’s logical for there to be some gray area since there are two legitimate but contrary components here: false starts and eligible receiver motion. It’s probably not the first time a guy went in motion in a way to make people — particularly fans, if not defenders — think he false-started. This guy’s was very abrupt, and forgivable if he actually went into motion.

Instead he stood there. The Seahawks would have done well to not encroach, with the referees slow to blow the whistle on him. So then they did in fact encroach. But that should have been moot since he should have been penalized before that point was reached.

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by jacobstevens on Sep 12, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll have to re-watch that.

It was my impression that he jerked up, trying to get a reaction, but quickly transitioned to a re-set about a yard back, which is why the officials let it slide.

by Groundhog on Sep 12, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

let’s think about the alternative, just for kicks: kelly jennings on braylon edwards…it would’ve been a loooong day to say the least

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's a damn good point.

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by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing new to add here, but...

I thought Chancellor had a good game, ET had a great game, I really enjoyed watching the UDFA of the Year Doug Baldwin acting like Shadowcat out there, appearing out of nowhere to catch passes.

The rest of what I saw was a team that needed some improvement.

Bite the wax tadpole.

by Chirp on Sep 11, 2011 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think we should write off T-Jack yet...

I’ve been thinking about the similarities between Hasselbeck’s and Jackson’s first couple years. Hass struggled and was replaced by a veteran. He was playing like crap and then things started to click. There’s still a chance for Jackson. He’s got all the physical tools and he can (warning cliche) “make all the throws.”

Scott Johnson of the Everett Herald has a nice series on past players for the Hawks. Here’s the link to the Hasselbeck story – great read.

by Hawkguy on Sep 11, 2011 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Big big difference in the career/skills of the 2.

Completely different skill-sets and potential. Holmgren groomed Hasselbeck for a specific offense, one that required a QB with Hasselbeck’s skills (see McCoy in Cleveland for a similar situation).

TJax has no future with PC in a comparable way. TJax should already be there, with Bevel in town.

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by Hawksince77 on Sep 11, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Check out the article. Hass was in that offense for a couple years before he got it.

Also, T-Jack was drafted in 2nd round and Hass in the 6th. So, I’d contend that T-Jack would have had the more potential early on. Also, this is the year that T-Jack should get it if we compare him to Hass.

By the way, I’m a huge fan of Hasselbeck so I’m definitely not hating on him.

by Hawkguy on Sep 11, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brady was drafted in the 6th round too.

So TJack more potential?

Hass didn’t have years of starting experience and a confirmed record of suck before coming here.

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by hazbro24 on Sep 12, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trufant ran a blocked punt in for a game tying td

Go Trufant! Isaiah that is.

Geez how many are there? Are they like the Tuiasosopo’s

by SGT Lenny on Sep 11, 2011 8:22 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

One more positive

Aaron Curry looked like a good NFL linebacker. He had plenty of chances to do infuriating ‘Currylike’ things, but instead had a very solid game.

by JamesMurphy on Sep 11, 2011 9:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder

Is it that curry had a good game, or that so many other really bad things happened that we didnt see the usual curry blown assignments?

by Oliudyen on Sep 12, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does Tavaris need a half to warm up?

This loss can be blamed on the kick returns but the whole first half QB was horrible. I can understand the sympathy if he was adequate for the game but he was only adequate for half the game. That said, I’m glad to have the run smothering defense back and the secondary looks way better than last year.

by HawkSocks on Sep 11, 2011 9:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Indy colts lose to Houston?

If the Colts are this bad, they will be taking the franchise QB ahead of Seattle. That would be Seattle’s worst stoke of unluckyness. Indy reloads with Luck, Barkley, or Jones, and they go to the playoffs for another 12 years in a row.

by blazerbill on Sep 11, 2011 9:26 PM PDT reply actions  

oh yes

it was really ugly, too.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think it may have been uglier than the steelers ravens game

but i think that depends on what teams you hate and so on

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing

It would really suck if Indy manages to replace Manning with Luck

by Nshima on Sep 11, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

they probably don’t have the caproom tbh

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not cap room, it's control.

Over the next 4 years, do you really see a rookie getting that much playing time over Peyton? Unless the medical info comes back and it’s a horrific turn of events, Peyton will be in the drivers seat for at least ‘12, ’13, ’14. In order to hold onto said ’Future Franchise Quarterback’ They would have to pick up the fully guaranteed option for ‘16 at the end of the 2014 season, or else the QB could hit the open market after 2015. There’s too much maybe and if in that equation to waste such a valuable resource.

by SgtSasquatch on Sep 11, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh

heh

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not how it'll work out though.

Indy will say thank you Peyton after the 13’ season, and send him on his way like Joe Montana or Brett Favre.

It’s gonna happen to Brady too, if Mallet gets good.

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by hazbro24 on Sep 12, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

No

You can just plug a new QB into that system and keep running. It’s not a system that can accept new QBs, like say the Pats system, it’s a system that needs Manning, and Manning alone. Put in a rookie QB and there will be an ugly adjustment period for years, as that team is seriously talent-poor and almost completely devoid of scheme-transcendent talent.

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

They do have some talent.

Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark are legitimately good. But their talent is all getting old.

Now with more pessimism!

by Fear on Sep 12, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Browner

sure his style of play will get him flagged from time to time. But when it came to straight up playing CB against Braylon Edwards today, based Edwards’s stat line – Browner won that matchup. Didn’t give an inch, he’s got that veteran CB confidence already.

by puerto on Sep 11, 2011 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

He needs to use a little better technique..

Watched the Jets game last night and Revis/Cromartie had their hands all over the receivers but didn’t get called, why? No jersey pulls.
 
Also, I think they get more leeway from the refs but Browner will get there. I am not sure why people here dislike his style of play.

I also think the secondary will start to look better as soon as our pass rush starts to get there.

by goatweed on Sep 12, 2011 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is the price you pay for the constant roster turnover. Lots of mistakes - but the future is brighter, there's nowhere to go but up

For the first time in Seahawks history, special teams allowed a kickoff return TD and a punt return TD in the same game. Special teams coordinator Brian Schneider should be proud of himself. His ST unit set a Seahawks record today

by Moose Knuckles on Sep 11, 2011 9:42 PM PDT reply actions  

really?

hard to believe it’s the first time that’s happened

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't see this mentioned in the good, so...

GOLDEN TATE! CAUGHT A TD! It was nice. Obomanu gets separation, guys.

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by jacobstevens on Sep 11, 2011 9:49 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

yeah

him and doug got the two

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I'll say this, too.

I expect Green Bay to continue to be good. I don’t expect their offense to look quite so unstoppable, all year. The Saints defense will adjust and not waste such great offensive efforts all year.

Pittsburgh will bounce back. Kansas City will not be beat like that to the likes of them in Arrowhead Stadium again this year.

The Colts are in trouble but not finished.

And the team that suited up in San Francisco this morning is no more. In their place is now a team that has some battle wounds and a few more reasons to think they can compete. The situation is fluid, not static.

Fluid means not only can we improve, but we can regress after improving or even just plain get worse. But I expect modest improvement over the season. One game at a time. Anything can happen. Except a win in Pittsburgh, but I just want to see us play well. They can play well. I hope they do.

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by jacobstevens on Sep 11, 2011 9:57 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

How much would it piss you off

To see the Colts collapse and then be in position to draft another top qb to sit behind Payton when he returns?

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by LurkBag on Sep 11, 2011 10:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ridiculously

On the other hand, like the Joe Montana / Steve Young duo for the Niners, having a young franchise QB in the wings means that you’ll have to trade away the present to make way for the future. And without drafting a franchise QB of our own, I can think of one team that’ll be looking for a top-tier QB willing to play out his final productive years while they KEEP looking for the QBotF . . .

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by Clendy on Sep 11, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Chiefs will NOT make the playoffs this year.

That team faded down the stretch last season and were exposed in the playoffs, and they made no real changes during the past offseason. Matt Cassel is not a good starting QB, and their defense is questionable at best.

Good teams do not get slaughtered at home, by teams like the Buffalo freakin’ Bills.

by J.L. White on Sep 11, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bills are a good team

Cyclops there. Cyclops there. Cyclops there. Turrets. Moon buggies. Oh my holy crap. Surveillance doe's. I hate those

by Lo Pann on Sep 11, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

No they're not!

Chan Gailey is still the coach there, right?

by J.L. White on Sep 12, 2011 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure yet

But they might be

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

San Diego

Seeing the Chargers avoid (one of) their annual early season give-away game(s) said more about the Cheifs not making the playoffs to me than the Bills kicking KC’s ass. A lot of playoff teams drop a duece at some point during the season, but in lieu of better competition sneak in.

I agree that Kansas City is not making the playoffs, but I thought that before they got decked yesterday. =)

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by Azimeir on Sep 12, 2011 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Colts are definitely finished if Manning doesn't come back

They might not be the league worst but they can’t win that division without Manning.

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Point simply being

that the highs & lows of week 1 usually don’t hold up over a season. The highs & lows of a lockout year may be even more suspect.

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by jacobstevens on Sep 12, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure

But the Colts are a really bad team

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could it be

That Carroll has tjax so afraid to throw the int he chooses to not throw the ball at all? Seems like he repeatedly had receivers open but just waited to get sacked. While I’m not a game tape kind if guy, I have watched a lot of football in my life and I can’t recall ever seeing a qb so hesitant to throw the ball. It’s like he has an internal monologue constantly running "Don’t mess up. Don’t mess up. Don’t mess up. ". It’s maddening. Run d looked good. I think some of the calls on browner just emphasize how much I hate the style of play the rules dictate. This isn’t flag football. Make those diva receivers work for it.

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by LurkBag on Sep 11, 2011 10:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree that he looks that way, but no. He has always looked deer-in-headlights terrible.

Head coaches want to minimize turnovers, but they want their ball-throwing quarterbacks to throw-ball-good.

Not to mention, if Bevell or Carl Smith thought that Tarvaris was afraid to even release the fucking ball, they’d sit down with Carroll and put that philosophy to rest.

by jhmg16 on Sep 11, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say it's Carroll.

That’s how he’s played his whole career.

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by hazbro24 on Sep 12, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

It also seemed like, for much of the 1st half, receivers were not getting open very often

And Jackson doesn’t have the ability to thread the needle in tight coverage.

by HititHere on Sep 12, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not having a number 1 receiver really limited our offense

Mike Williams was double teamed all day. I hope Tavaris will look a lot better when Sidney Rice returns. Would have liked to see some more bootleg plays with Tavaris in the open field. The creative play calling in the third also really helped.

by booourns on Sep 11, 2011 10:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm terrified of bootlegs

When TJ rolls out he throws at the receivers ankles. His accuracy is ATROCIOUS on the run.

by jhmg16 on Sep 11, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was holding on to the ball for too long in the pocket

In the open field, he can at least buy some more time and use his speed. But again, the coverage was his biggest problem today.

by booourns on Sep 11, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

What I see with Tavaris...

Is he stays in the pocket or he runs; he never seems to use his speed and agility to reposition in the pocket or get out of a collapsing one, set, and fire. He just seems to wait too long or go too soon.

I fully agree that his game does not include throwing on the run.

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by Azimeir on Sep 12, 2011 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seneca wallace 2.0?

only difference i see is that atleast TJ is tackled by the other team, instead of just running out of bounds to sack himself.

by Oliudyen on Sep 12, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whew! Thank goodness it was great niner secondary play, and our lack of WRs capable of getting open.

For a second there I thought Seattle had a QB issue…

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by Hawksince77 on Sep 12, 2011 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

We've not had a #1 receiver for 5 years.

Can’t pin this on not having a guy that we’ve not had before.

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by hazbro24 on Sep 12, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm going to make several comments individually to make it easier for people to respond to them:

I’m not sure how much if pissed you guy’s off, but from what I saw, the refs failed to call the biggest penalty of the game: the neck/head hit to Ben Obomanu. I was absolutely furious that the hit wasn’t called. I literally had to leave the room that my television was in. There were plenty of ticky-tacky calls in this game but they didn’t flag the one that truly deserved to be called.

I’m really thankful that he is ok, and was able to return to the game.

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by Bobby Cink on Sep 11, 2011 11:16 PM PDT reply actions  

That play

the neck hit to obo was actually more caused by Obo, dropping than the DB hitting, the db behind barely moves when the hit happens

by Oliudyen on Sep 12, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yip

Can’t really flag that. It’s about player safety, but you still flag for the play, not the results.

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Comment 2:

The defense played extremely well considering that we had so many 3 and outs. The third quarter demonstrated that when our offense stays on the field, our defense is more able to effectively stop the ball.

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by Bobby Cink on Sep 11, 2011 11:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder if it's just the competition though.

It didn’t seem something special. Pressure was dormant. The safeties were good. The run defense was good but didn’t look special. Will have to see some repeat performances to think this wasn’t just an underwhelming 49er offense performance.

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by jacobstevens on Sep 12, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Comment 3:

As I began writing these comments, one of my initial thoughts was that Tate could be replaced by Baldwin. This has been a theme in the preseason but it isn’t going to happen anytime soon. Tate’s touchdown showed that he is improving.

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by Bobby Cink on Sep 11, 2011 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

i like this in comparison to a wall of text, actually

Granted that was really the only play Tate was seen, but TJack didn’t exactly spread it out nor did the o-line give him time to spread it out.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 11, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's odd. The Tate and Baldwin comparison.

That means that the FO have a lot of faith in them that Durham was not on the active roster today.

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by RagingAlot on Sep 11, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not entirely sure about that.

Durham is the 3rd receiver for that position behind Rice and Obo, isn’t he?

I think that the front office wanted to make sure both Tate and Baldwin were on the active roster in the case one didn’t do well, the other could step in.

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by Bobby Cink on Sep 11, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love it, can't wait to see what they do when/if Butler get back.

I like the tall receiver movement but I think that the jury is still out on the effectiveness. BTW, Burress looked awesome last night.

by goatweed on Sep 12, 2011 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Tate did anything special on that play.

BMW cleared out the two corners, and Tate just ran through the open zone. It was a well-designed play, and an easy catch-and-run by Tate.

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Sep 12, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was Obomanu.

Possibly part of the good design of that play is that Tate’s lack of impact thus far and the shallow slant would more seem to be a drag route than the fade Obo was likely figuring to run that close to the end zone. Obo also impeded both guys very well. Jackson didn’t seem to look toward Obo though, which made me wonder if it was designed that way, for Tate’s route to be the primary option.

Not special, but he caught it. Yay!

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by jacobstevens on Sep 12, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reason for Optimism

The overall game was a negative experience, but the Seahawks looked like a Pop Warner team in the first half versus the second where they actually fought back; they had some productive rushes, the offensive line played 100% better (which is still 100% worse than they need to), I saw some superstar potential (I can’t remember the last time a Seahawk receiver ran away from the defense like Baldwin did), and T-Jack looked a ton more not sucky.

Earl Thomas looks like that Bob Sanders/Ed Reed/Adrian Wilson type mother-effer that offensive coordinators are going to hate for a decade, and the defense in general looked – what’s the word… oh, yeah – fast, also kamakazie at the point of attack with the type of swarming that makes QBs walk to the sideline shaking their heads with that, “what do we have to do?” look.

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by Azimeir on Sep 12, 2011 1:27 AM PDT reply actions  

The passing game was bad but the run game was horrible..

Yes, we lost the game because of special teams ineptitude but after all the talk off-season about the seahawks running the ball, I was surprised at how pathetic the run game was. There was nothing smash mouth/ nasty about what the hawks did out there.

T-Jax shouldn’t be throwing 37 times a game. His career comp% is not good enough for this kind of a workload.

Was Durham not active for the game?

by goatweed on Sep 12, 2011 6:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Thomas Clayton would give us something that the other RBs don't.

Biceps-flexing.

But seriously, the run game was disappointing. Didn’t seem like the OL was opening any holes. Is the Niners DL that good? And is it better than the Steelers’?

by Nshima on Sep 12, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

The good:

1. Patched together o-line, bad QB and we were still in it until the end.
2. The defense was actually decent.
The bad:
1. Special teams play – sad that the one thing most people thought would be OK was what ended up costing us
2. SF are still not a good team. We needed this win ‘cos there aren’t a lot of games coming that look more winnable than this
The Ugly:
I carried Ginn on my fantasy teams for two years sure he was going to break-out. Don’t have him this year and he does this……..

by Raphaelas on Sep 12, 2011 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

My take on NFL week one:

It’s just like preseason, but this year it counts.

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by hazbro24 on Sep 12, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Time to take a deep breath

I am amazed. The offense is a complete rebuild with young inexperienced players. New offensive coordinator. No off season. First game of the season, on the road, against a pretty good defense.

Going into the game folks here were predicting the team scoring 6 to 12 points.

So the offense takes a half to get going and than in the second half scores 17 which is more that what the veteran offense did last year in Frisco for the whole game (preemptive comment: one TD last year was special teams) and TJ has a better QB rating than Hasselbach did for that game (in week 14) the Hawks could have won the game in the 4th quarter and the forums go apoplectic?

Come on now. It’s growing process and as good as we expected.

by moxr on Sep 12, 2011 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I have never seen

so many fair weather Hawks fans. I have been all over the blogs today. I mean what the hell did they expect with us having the youngest Oline in the NFL? I thought the Hawks looked exciting to watch. I was into the game from the start to the finish. I think our D has a ton of promise, and if we give Tjack some protection I think he will do enough for us to win the West. I am expecting the Steelers to come out ready to put up 30+ next week. So we better bring our A game or its gonna be a dark day for Hawks fans.

Yes I have a beer in my hand... and I'm ready to watch the Hawks smash the 49ers in week 1.

by HawksFever on Sep 12, 2011 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

What do you mean "fair weather fans"? Do you see people handing in their fandoms? Saying they're stopping being fans?

No, they’re critical and noting a team that is bad is, indeed, bad.

It is not ok to question people’s fandom just because you’re less critical than them.

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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because

A lot of the fans are like “the seasons over, lets just go get Luck”. I for one think we have a chance. I saw a lot of good things out there and of course… expected a lot of bad plays. We all have to remember the Hawks were hurt pretty bad from the lock out. It’s gonna take more than the preseason to get everything on track.

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by HawksFever on Sep 12, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just remember a main rule of the site

Judging the fandom of others: You don’t get to decide how much of a fan someone is. If you do this, expect the community to be very angry with you.

by MT Olson on Sep 12, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you prefer irrational reactionary fans?

I agree with Hawksfever; the game reads much worse in the forum than if you actually watch it.

Hawks did as well as last year in Frisco with a complete turnover with young inexperienced players.

by moxr on Sep 12, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

We looked so much better on D.

And that was my biggest concern coming into the season. We saw a lot of teams there were supposed to win yesterday that looked even worse than the Hawks. This year will be the hardest to predict IMO.

Yes I have a beer in my hand... and I'm ready to watch the Hawks smash the 49ers in week 1.

by HawksFever on Sep 12, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

By the way

Why did we not use Leon in the run/screen game?? I was hoping to see his skill set used this game.

Great game Hawks... lets shock the world and beat the Steelers this weekend!!

by HawksFever on Sep 12, 2011 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the reason the Leon screen wasn't used is that it takes a little while for the screen to develop.

With how little time Jackson had to set and pass, I’m not surprised more screens weren’t used.

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by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Sep 12, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

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