Seahawks Lose to Steelers: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
by Danny Kelly on Sep 19, 2011 7:20 AM PDT
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The Seahawks looked pretty listless in Pittsburgh on Sunday but as always, there are some good and bad things to take away from this loss. And some ugly things. I'm going to tell you about all three of those things, the good, the bad, and the ugly, thus tying together the body of the post to the title.
The Good:
Well, this one is probably the hardest to write about right now but let's start out with the top-level, no nonsense stuff. No major injuries. That's nice. The score 24-0 isn't actually as bad as you'd have expected considering the offense's inability to stay on the field. So I guess, at least we weren't blown out 48-3, for instance (COUGHchiefsCOUGH). I don't have anything against the Chiefs... I mean, I kind of thought they were going to be pretty tough this year, but man, they've had a rough first couple of games. It can always be worse, Seahawks fans. Can't it?
Apart from that, the pass protection did seem to improve in this game. That's a small step for a unit that will get better with more game experience together. Eddie Williams, languishing on the Browns practice squad a week ago, played in the game and had a 17-yard reception, the Seahawks longest on the day, so that's exciting. For him.
Kris Durham looked good in garbage time, collecting three passes for 30 yards. I don't care that it was garbage time, I'll take it. He looked good. Doug Baldwin and Kris Durham look to be good, young receivers. That's got to be a good thing.
Jon Ryan seems like he's a pretty good punter. The Seahawks didn't turn the ball over. Bill Leavy didn't screw up any major calls. The Seahawks simply lost, all by themselves.
The Bad:
The run game, again, failed to get any traction. After rushing for 64 yards last week, the Seahawks followed that up by rushing for 31 on Sunday. They're now averaging 47.5 yards per game on the ground. Seattle ranked 31st (that's second to last, to the layperson) on the ground last season with 89 yards per game rushing. Man, I'd love to see them get 89 yards on the ground, that would be amazing. (What I'm saying here is that the run game isn't very good, and will quite possibly probably be the worst in the NFL).
The Seahawks are averaging 59 total net yards of offense in the first half, after two games. They will need to figure out how to get off to a quicker start in Week Three versus the Cardinals. My suggestion would be to play better.
The Seahawks were penalized 6 times for 66 yards. That 6-66 is pretty apt because penalties are the devil. They're drive killers. They're avoidable. They're annoying. They're momentum negators.
The angles that defenders were taking in this game were pretty maddening to me. The two examples I can think of off the top of my head would be:
--The Seahawks punted to Antonio Brown, who fielded the ball at about the 5, ran towards the sideline, was all bottled up, Richard Sherman tripped and fell down, got up from laying prone on the grass like like he was planking it and still had time to get his hands on Brown, meaning seven or eight more defenders had time to descend on their target, but then inexplicably Brown ran forward down the sideline for 40 yards. I realize that was a horrific sentence, but what the hell happened on that play, it gets me all discombobulated.. !...?
-- The touchdown run by Isaac Redman for 20 yards. Kam Chancellor, you gotta break down there and make that tackle man.
This was the first time Pete Carroll has been shut out as a head coach, at either the college or NFL level. That's 198 games. It happened. That's bad.
The Ugly:
The offense, as a whole. It starts with Tarvaris Jackson. I know there are many wrinkles in an offense, and all these wrinkles and factors are like a line of dominoes. If one person (a domino, in this insanely awesome metaphor) fails (falls), most of the time, the rest of the players (the next in the line of dominoes) also fail (fall). The offensive line fails, the quarterback gets sacked, the receivers don't catch the ball, the running backs don't run the ball, the offense fails. The team doesn't score. The team loses 24-0.
Good quarterback play can really throw a wrench in this domino metaphor though. If the quarterback can complete a pass even when the offensive line doesn't do its job, the receivers can catch passes and have success. If that can happen, the defense can have this mythical thing called 'respect' for what the quarterback can do, and then the running game can magically open up because the offensive line isn't trying to block nine people.
Everyone says it starts in the trenches, and that might be true, but the thing is, the trenches did ok in this game. We need to get better quarterback play from Tarvaris Jackson. I'm sure he knows this. I'm not ragging on him here, but it's a simple fact. If he starts throwing the ball better, the rest of the offense will improve exponentially.
Other than the offense, I guess I have to include Brandon Browner in the "ugly" section. He didn't start off well by drawing a pass interference penalty in the endzone. It was an obvious call and he needs to do much better at turning his head and looking for the pass. The rest of the game, Ben Roethlisberger and Mike Wallace just picked on him mercilessly. Wallace had 8 receptions for 126 yards and a touchdown and probably 7 of those catches came against Browner. Browner had a tough day.
That being said, as I posted pre-game in my "some things to watch" post, I think the Seahawks should have made some sort of adjustment and recognized a mis-match in the 6'4, 220 pound Browner and the 6'0, 200 pound speedster in Wallace. My suggestion then was to perhaps play another speedster and coverage guy - Walter Thurmond - on Wallace. It seems like I'm smart for suggesting that, considering the outcome.
Thomas is going to talk about this a lot more in a story today, so I'll leave it at that.
Either way, that part of the defense was ugly. What a dreadful game to write about. I'm looking forward to playing the Cardinals! Two sucky teams playing each other!
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Gotta disagree about Pass Protection
For most of the first 3 quarters, Pittsburgh wasn’t bringing any pressure at all – usually rushing 3 or 4 men. The Hawks O Line should have (and did) hold their own against that.
Then we get to the 4th quarter – In the last two Hawk possessions of the game, T-Jack was sacked 4 times, mainly because Pittsburgh finally started bringing some pressure. If they had done that all game, I think T-Jack would have been looking at double digit sacks.
I do agree the Offense was about as ugly as can be though. Even with that lack of pressure for most of the game, the Hawks managed a paltry 2.4 Yards per rush, and an average 3.5 yards per play. With that kind of production, or lack thereof.. and the divisional draws this season (NFC East, AFC North), I have a feeling this is going to be a long, low scoring season, but hopefully one where a lot of learning takes place and chemistry is formed, setting the foundation for an improved team next season.
Procrastination is the Art of Keeping Up with Yesterday.
Well game situation enabled that.
And despite it the line didn’t fall apart. If we had a different standard of performance it wouldn’t look like an improvement, but it still was. Harrison is their main rusher, and he’s not the same as last year but still pretty effective. We handled him OK. The line actually handled him better than Baltimore did, it’s just they have an offense that moves the chains.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be worried about the ends-tackles matchup against Edwards & Abraham in Atlanta in 2 weeks. We should. But that’s also exciting because it will be a good measuring stick to see how far Carpenter has improved since Denver.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
The game situation that enabled them bringing pressure
was them deciding they wanted to quit fucking around and end it so they could go home and diddle their wives.
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no wrong
the reason pittsburg didn’t bring the blitz packages is because well why giving strategy when base defense is working.
I know I no wrong.
They stuffed us all day and in the end decided to bring some heat to get the ball back and run out the clock. They quite simply decided to end the game and enforced their will on our Seahawks.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
It seems their gameplan was to stop the run and not give up any big plays
A few big plays early off of blitzing could’ve gave Seattle a chance. And their plan worked. They stuffed the run and Jackson didn’t even bother looking down field.
By the fourth quarter it didn’t matter, by then they just went for the shut out. Stupid Steelers didn’t realize they could’ve been doing that the whole game and been up 40
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 19, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Their game plan was to camp on the LOS and make TJ beat them.
You know all those blitzes and trickeration plays, bodies flying around, guys can get hurt.
I really think that their plan was to just sit there and pound us into submission and not get hurt.
They took no risks all game. Didn’t need to.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
I really enjoyed the game. I know it's crazy. I feel good about it
just not for this year.
Good:
- Pass protection was good. This doesn’t bode well for Pittsburgh. But I watched both this and their Baltimore game (while waiting for this one to be available on Game Rewind) and they both looked about the same. It’s mostly an issue with their 2 ends. Funny, I liked the two color guys’ insight, Moose & Goose, but they pointed out later that Pitt was controlling the line of scrimmage, and despite the results, they never controlled the line on either side, except for about maybe 8 total plays.
Run blocking was actually improved, too, I thought. The running was poor, and the run blocking has a lot left to improve. They didn’t blow people back but got some movement and worked somewhat in conjunction. It made me happy anyway. John Moffitt is the one that stands out to me.
- Earl Thomas continues to make big impact. The team’s best player. And most of it is in run support, both games. Chancellor too but not to the same level. Aaron Curry also continues to make positive impact, although it’s still a mix of things that hurt the team. There was a successful Steeler run to the right, early on, mid- or late Q1, Clemons saw the TE crossing to his side so cut in but there was no one else there. Curry was on that weak side and, well, he should watch Lawrence Timmons’ game because that guy played the run very very well all game. But Curry helped more than hurt.
- Walter Thurmond can pressure on the edge better than Jameson Konz. I mean it’s a start. We had him corner blitz against two of their tight trips left, and the tackle took him on and steered him around, and what do you expect? But it made me smile. Looked almost like Curry attempting it, keeping the weight but losing a little strength.
- If you didn’t know by now, you’re still forgiven, but it’s been known for a while that Chris Clemons doesn’t hurt us in run defense, and he still doesn’t. Mebane is in a good position to make Clemons & Branch better in both run defense & pressure. There were a lot of substitutions, though. D line rotates a lot, but there were a lot of subs. I think they’re looking for someone to provide more pressure than Branch or Bryant. McDonald made a positive impact but didn’t provide the pressure difference expected. Maybe next week.
- Continue to like what Obomanu & Baldwin do. Obomanu doesn’t catch very well, though.
- The LBs are playing well. All of them. None of them outstanding, not even Hill as good as preseason, though he looks to the eye to be the best right now. But we’d be fine with either McCoy or Wright starting, or both. Cool.
Bad:
- The tackles combined have had too many false starts this year, if you include the preseason. Still expect it to improve. Okung is not standing out in execution. I still expect that to improve, but he’s just so-so right now. Ankle, maybe.
- Running. The missed holes aren’t as bad as the missed open routes in the passing game, and they’d not yield much if taken, but they’d definitely be an improvement, gain a few extra yards, and it’s making the linemen look worse than they are.
- Pressure remains a problem, although we could manufacture some. The CBs aren’t good for even 1.5 seconds, though, on nearly any given down & distance. That said, while I love watching Red Bryant play and he had a much better game yesterday, given what he brings to the table and doesn’t, he should not be a starter but a situational contributor. His size, length and leverage simply lend him to commit too much into his momentum and opponents are able to counter that.
Ugly:
- We all know about the QB and the CBs. Both have warranted replacing since before this game, the guys on staff don’t figure to make significant upgrades, so whatever. I hope to see the younger CBs get a lot more time, though, soon. And by this point this is a strong criticism of the coaching. I don’t know how far up it goes, but coaching is indisputably a factor and it’s not excusable.
Pitt: They look about the same as they did last year & last week. The one significant difference is their defensive line has lost effectiveness. Smith especially, but Hampton & Keisel as well. Hood & Hayward made impact, but clearly are still learning. That team plays a schedule to get into the playoffs, and some years their pressure, safety & QB get them through to the championship. They always are the kind of team that can transcend their own glaring inefficiencies. This year they’re below average on both sides of the line but it may not hurt them much. Jeeze.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Most excellent post.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 19, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Son of a gun, you know it's a good post if all Beekers can say is that it's "most excellent."
You didn’t take issue with anything.
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
Tackles false start
Not trying to pick on T-Jack even more, but could that be his cadence or audibility in a noisy crowd on the road?
On Browner and pressure
I think we should emphasize Browner’s physicality and turn that into a positive, rather than letting other teams use it to their advantage. If he press covers/bumps Wallace (or whoever he’s on), maybe that will disrupt the timing enough so others get after the QB. Or at least maybe it’ll keep the other team’s # 1 from getting up to full speed down the field for long gains. Browner’s got to be an semi-intimidating presence out there.
We did get our first sack! Although it was on a blitz and not from our front 4. Good to see Bigby doing some things.
The reason why remains a mystery.
I hope they use him to press more and keep safety help on post for him. But right now it’s kind of like using a somewhat fluid linebacker to cover weak side wideout. He has useful skills and I hope he can keep his confidence up.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone know what Browner's speed is?
I’m curious to see if we’d ever consider using him on a corner blitz at some point. Not sure if he’s fast enough off the edge, but he has the size and strength to take on a RB in blitz pickup, and then length to tip a pass or at least thrown an awkward high throw.
by SmartAssCoug on Sep 19, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea what his measured speeds are
But he really doesn’t look like he has the burst for a corner blitz.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 19, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Zero to PI in 6 seconds flat.
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by hazbro24 on Sep 19, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem with Browner pressing is maybe they weren't confident in his ability to do it right
If he presses and misses, that’s 6 points for Wallace.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 19, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like it was going to be 6 either way.
So might as well try to develop the skill a bit. Use those aggressive hands within 5 yards. If Wallace gets past, maybe Earl or Kam can lay a big hit on him to make him think twice before catching the ball.
It’s in the past now, but hopefully we see some more aggressive calls against Arizona.
We were playing way too off of the Steeler receivers. Perhaps a case of damn if you do, damned if you don’t though.
by BennyGStein on Sep 19, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I am done with TJ, but I am about done with Obo
We have good young WRs who need experience and actually catch the ball. Obo’s drops are taking the shine off of him.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
I can't say anyone's particularly lacking for time
The depth chart will shuffle as they gain more experience. Sounds like a plan to me.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 19, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, once the pass pro, QB & other wideouts start functioning properly
they should target him less, it’s true, but right now he’s the best of the bunch from snap up until the ball comes to him.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh and just to get it out there.
Bill Leavy’s crew, like in XL, left some callable flags against Pitt in their pockets. I was impressed with their quick, correct assessments on the biggest plays, many of which from the TV were hardest to get immediately. That was good. Three uncalled holds on them, and one on us by my count. Since holding occurs on every play I’d call them 3 blatant holds and by them, and one blatant hold by us, that weren’t flagged.
Someone (I think 22 Gay?) hit Baldwin, helmet to helmet, with Baldin’s one big toe alone touching the ground. Nothing wrong with what Gay? did in making the pass defense, at all, by my eye, except that it’s textbook 15-yard penalty in this day & age, and the play was about 7 yards in front of the line judge. Maybe he was still watching the line, I dunno. The league may fine Gay for the helmet to helmet this week.
The officiating is the least of our concerns, and the officiating for this game was fine, no issue to take with it really. Just giving my assessment.
Head of catering.
I didn't see much holding, but the Baldwin hit was ugly.
I’m not sure how they missed that.
by djafrot on Sep 19, 2011 8:58 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The three holds I saw were pretty isolated.
I should have noted, one of them was a good no-call; though it was by far the worse it was way on the backside of the play and made no impact on the play.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Clemons was held chasing a scrambling Big Ben near the goal line on the first series
Pretty blatant, as he had his man beat and was getting grabbed from behind
What drives me nuts...
Is the amount of time Tarvaris had to throw and he just held on to it. Over and over again.
It's been a common theme even since the preseason
He may or may not have the talent to be a successful starting-caliber QB. But he’s playing scared. He refuses to take risks with the ball over the middle and folds like an accordion under pressure like Hasselbeck did only without the injury excuse. He may have been a backup for a couple years, but the man is a multi-year veteran and shouldn’t be behaving like it’s his first day on the varsity squad.
"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan
"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"
Yeah it's probably the single most detrimental component of the team, that.
Wouldn’t have been able to guess that before the season, but it’s become clear. For now. Maybe the coaches will get him to fix that. But several of us suspect the coaching may be leading him to behave that way.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
There are some darn good writers hangin' around here at Field golls.
If one of you ever get the time to do like a follow-up on guys like Matt, Pistol, Tapp, Sims & the rest of our lost guys…Just a thought. I was just thinking about how nice it would of been to have pistol yesterday to cover Wallace. Almost forgot ," Anybody but T.J., Anybody but T.J.!!!"
There's one bright side
Hasselbeck had a hell of a game yesterday. The kind of game we haven’t seen from him since 2007. There’s still a long season left to go, but it’s nice to see that he still has some gas in the tank when he’s put in a position with the tools to succeed.
Not that I wish he were still here, mind you. He’d be a stain on the turf by now.
"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan
"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"
TJAX sucks!
<We need to get better quarterback play from Tarvaris Jackson. I’m sure he knows this. I’m not ragging on him here, but it’s a simple fact.>
Who cares if you are ragging on him? Why all this fluffy crap when talking about Jackson? I mean this is the NFL. If he needs his ego stroked than go see a therapist. The guys sucks. Pete Carroll, Darell Bevell, and John Schnieder made a huge miscalculatrion. In theory, I get all Carroll’s “continuity and familiarity” with the offense crap. In reality, he blundered big time.
Now that being said. This team stinks. It stunk last year (depsite the playoff win). I expected a step backwards this year. Holmgren also had a step backwards in year two when he pruned most of Erickson’s team. The problem was making the playoffs last year. Had the Hawks not made the playoffs, the end up with a top 10 pick, which might have been either Gabbert or Locker. Then they probably would have signed Hass to mentor the young guy and then this is a different team.
Instead, Carroll has locked himself into starting a stiff at QB. The only hope we have is to really hit rock bottom and have a shot at one of the young QBs next April!
Finally!
I woke this morning expecting to read ESPN, Yahoo, and Sando delclaring Tarvaris the worst QB in the league. But No!!, Sando goes as far as to call T-JackOff an average QB. Yahoo put Tolbert down as 1 of 5 LVP’s, but No T-Jack. This guy fucking SUCKS. I’m not an NFL scout, but how can the coaches trust this guy? He has to have one of the worst pocket presence/awareness ever.
What really pisses me off is that I work with several hard core Vikings fans and they warned me how bad T was. I called their bluff and said hey “Bevell knows this guy better than anyone and if he trusts him than I bet he’s the truth”. Fuck me, that was dumb!
I literally hate Bevell because of this move and do not understand why he hasn’t taken more heat for it. I’m losing faith in Pete, but I guarantee Bevell gave him the hard sell.
I think most of them got the whole "TJax is really bad" out of their system in the preseason
Tolbert is more surprising than TJax, because we expect Tarvaris to be bad and he is. I scouted him out as bad in the preseason, and now he’s bad in the regular season. There’s just not a lot you can say about this.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 19, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Look, it's the same reason that the current QB of
the Vikings has ALWAYS been over rated. For that same reason, T-JOke is over-rated all the way to “average.”
by Michael Harp on Sep 19, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Man, if only his last name was Marvin or Fanta
Then we would have T-Marvelous / T-Fantastic instead of these stupid ****ing nicknames that keep showing up in forums when people try to dumb down their point.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 19, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, even if the media isn't calling out TJax...
…they are routinely referring to the Seahawks as the worst team in the league.
Does that make you feel better?
About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron
Anyone note Hasselbeck's performance in Pittsburg?
When the Seahawks last played in Pittsburgh (2007) Hasselbeck completed 48% of his passes, for 40 less yards than TJ this week and threw an interception.
Pittsburg is a tough place to play…
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...
About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron
Aaron Curry Had a Chance
at a game turning INT retirn for a TD. Instead he dropped the ball. A microcosm of Curry’s career as a Seahawk on that one play. So close, yet soooooooo far.
But Karma was looking out for Seattle
and she returned the favor by having Polamalu drop a sure Pick Six as well – albeit on a ball T-Jack never should have thrown.
Procrastination is the Art of Keeping Up with Yesterday.
by Ryche And Roll on Sep 19, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Troy was surprised Jackson was so off-target
Curry was surprised he got close to making a truly awesome, instinctive play.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 19, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why he plays defense.
He probably wouldn’t have been able to run it back for a TD either. Too slow.
Heh. Before I watched the game, I watched Apocalypto.
I felt through much of the game that the Seahawks and in particular Curry, could be nicknamed “Almost.” In some respects they’re playing well. The ways that they’re not keep them pretty far away from success.
But now they’ve returned to their forest. Their fathers hunted here, and their sons will hunt here long after they’re gone. They are Jaguar Paw. And some formidable foes have been felled in their forest.
Of course I worry even for the Arizona game. I expect better play but pass defense & special teams may leave us 0-3 even as we improve.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Defensive Angles - and Tackling in General
looked pretty bad. The punt return by Brown is one example.
A second was early in the game – Pittsburgh’s first drive, when Sanders caught a short pass, made about 3 or 4 people miss, and ended up with a 30 yard gain, of which I’d wager at least 20 were Yards After Catch.
On Redman’s TD run, I think Kam was initially in good position, but when Redman cut back, Kam tried to cut with him, but lost his footing and slipped. I wonder if there was something with that area of the field, because it was in the same area of the field that Sherman tripped on Brown’s punt return.
Procrastination is the Art of Keeping Up with Yesterday.
Good points. Hopefully it's something they'll correct.
Sanders & Brown have the moves to make guys miss, and looks like Redman does too. But with better angles they could have contained a lot of that.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Hines field has always been one of the worst field.
Long grass that is loose.Pitt plays there all the time so they know it. Visiting teams always have traction problems.
One Trick Team
We’ve only got one move.
Throw the ball and throw it fast.
That means its 100% on TJ.
I suggest he start at 5 and count backwards from the snap.
That’s all the time he has…throw the ball, throw it away, or run like crazy.
The “run” is only a way to rest between downs.
Compare Hasselbeck's passing stats against Baltimore to Jackson's against Pittsburgh.
After seeing that I think we made a HUGE mistake in letting Hasselbeck go. I don’t buy that crap about him not having enough time to learn the new offense one iota. From what it looks like Jackson, who is supposed to already be familiar with it, needs to put in a lot of extra time with the playbook and the OC. Jackson seems to be stricken with Trent Edwards syndrome, which is a complete inability to throw the ball down the field. At the end of the game he was averaging about 4 yards per pass attempt. While his accuracy is good on those 4 yard attempts if you do the math it doesn’t come out in our favor. 2 passes for 8 yards and then 1 rush for 1 yard equals 9 yards which equals a punt. To me that is totally inexcusable. The QB needs to be willing to take some risks and throw the ball down the field. Since we are obviously not going to run the ball by anybody the momentum of the offense falls squarley on Jackson’s shoulders and through 2 games he has failed miserably.
If through the first half aginst the Cards Jackson’s numbers are equally as dismal then Whitehurst should be in the game no questions asked. All through the pre-season Whitehurst moved the offense, threw the ball down field and scored points. True against 2nd and 3rd string defenses but hey, give the kid a shot. He looked night and day better this preseason than he did last year. And infinitely better and more confident than Jackson.
The New York Islanders....they make opposing goalies look gooooood.
Wait a few more weeks and Hass will fall off
But it doesn’t really matter because we did what we did and talking about Matt doesn’t contribute to how this game went or what we should do moving forward.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
It's not news that Hasselbeck has a higher ceiling, even at his ripe old age, than Tarvaris Jackson
It is folly to believe we could have provided him with the tools to reach said ceiling. And as stufr says, Hasselbeck does tend to come down to earth.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 19, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, he wouldn't survive the beating that TJ's taking
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 19, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Tarvaris may be on of the league's best quarterbacks
At absorbing hits.
So, we got that going for us as we try for Carr’s record.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess you guys are right about that.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Sep 19, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
At five a game we have a good shot at getting to 80
But then again it’s only two games and Cam Newton is on pace to pass for 6,800 yards
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 19, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
So if at the bye
Seattle is 0 – 5 and the season basically is lost, with no realisitic hope for a winning or even a respectable season, What would be a good football coaches’ reasoning for NOT starting Charlie against say the Browns? Redskins? Bengals? I mean, these are potentially winnable games with the right on-field leadership. At this point I would like to see the WR’s shuffled as well. I like Obo as a person, I’m just not sure I want him to keep his job. Clearly he’s been outplayed by Baldwin.
Another thought: I'm not rooting for us to lose,
but I found myself disappointed that the Chiefs & Colts also lost. I want us to turn it around this season. But every game we don’t, I hope that stays close to the bottom.
Head of catering.
I'll be very upset if
we have to watch an entire season of TJack and we don’t get Luck or Barkley out of the deal.
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by hazbro24 on Sep 19, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And yet, that is a possible if not outright likely scenario
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 19, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
TJack will not win a game in a Seahawk uniform. If he does then let me eat crow.
His teams in Mini were just barely good enough to squeak out wins with him at the helm. And good enough for a zombie version of Brett Favre to not only have one of his best seasons ever, but to make deep playoff runs. I know I have beaten this Jackson only had prier success because of the talent around him horse to a pulp on here, but with the team we have there isn’t a chance he steals us a W.
I think we will pull off two or three wins this year. Some point midway through the season they will finally pull the plug on TJack. when we are 0-7 or 0-8 the fans will be in full on mutiny mode and pressure to make a change will come from the very top. . Charlie is probably good for 2 or 3 wins over that span. This actually does not bother me a bit. Nothing we can accomplish this year is worth not getting a QB in the top 5 picks of the draft. I think we will pick somewhere between 1-4, There is a very short list of teams who I think could possibly end the season with a worse record then us. All those teams have much better QB play, and better overall talent then we have.
As much as this season is going to blow a lot of donkeys, the turnaround after grabbing one of the excellent QB’s coming out of the draft will be swift. This offense will have a seasoned O line and we should bounce back into respectability rather quickly just like the Falcons. Keep your chins up guys, were NOT going to the playoffs this year, so a few extra wins are nothing but detrimental to us at this point. I will never root for us to lose, but I sure as hell wont get down about it when its all we do this year. The payoff will be glorious, and we certainly will not be missing out on one of the top two QB’s.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 19, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Chiefs & Colts.
Those are the two teams competing with us for worst. And they both will draft a QB.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
You really think that the Chiefs will?
With the investment that they have made?
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Absolutely.
If they have the opportunity to draft Luck or Barkley they’ll not pass that up. I only see Carolina trading out of that pick for sure, and teams like Minnesota or Jax would think long and hard about it if they end up in that position.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
I think they will trade out of it and get some picks
Same result for us, but I don’t think they would pull the trigger yet.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
Well, I just don't see them passing it up.
If Carolina or some other team that will trade gets the pick, then we have to trade up, even if we’re at #3 in the order. Because the Skins and Phins will both trade up ahead of us to get that pick.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Unless we are trading up, it doesn't matter to us
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
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I think they end up with a new coach
Cassel becomes expendible or stop gap while their new cheap #1 pick waits to play. For how cheep the #1 pick is, i wouldn’t be surprised if they dropped Cassel.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 19, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean c'mon, if they're really the worst team in the league and get the #1 pick there's no way Haley keeps his job
He may not even keep it to the end of the season. And the new coach will want a new QB. Maybe even a new GM. Hell even if Haley somehow sticks he will probably want a new qb.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 19, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
What investment?
They didn’t give up dick for Cassel and he’s proven to be mediocre. They have less invested in the QB position than the Colts.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 20, 2011 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
34th for him and Vrabel
And most of Cassel’s contract will be gone by next year.
It’s not the kind of investment that makes you halt at picking a Luck or Barkley. They’re not vested in Cassel now, let alone once Haley’s crackhead is booted.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 20, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
No way the Chiefs would draft a QB.
They invested a lot in cassel, and there problem is not offense, its defense. They can’t get there offense on the field, and that really wouldn’t change if they started Luck. The Colts are more inclined to draft a QB in the top 5. It worked out very well for them the last time they did it, and its a perfect opportunity for them to grab a real replacement for Manning and let the kid learn from arguably the best of all times. I don’t think we will have more wins then either of these teams either. The fact of the matter is the worst team in the league is the Jaguars, followed by us, followed by the Chiefs. The Jags wouldn’t draft a QB because they already dropped the 11th overall pick on one. The Colts will win 5 games this year at least. They won’t touch the playoffs, but they will probably pick 7th or 8th overall in my opinion.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 19, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter what they gave up for Cassel.
You’re the GM of the Chiefs and your current options are draft Luck, or stick with Cassel and trade the pick.
That GM will be fired if he doesn’t take Luck or Barkley.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
The only reason they would trade the pick is if its only a few slots
and they can get the same player there targeting, while picking up a second round pick. Cassel is there guy, and QB is about the lowest position of need on that team. Taking Luck would get that GM fired because it would put them even further out from being competitive. They have glaring needs on that team, and bringing in Luck will not solve any of them. They will take the best CB or DT available almost without a doubt.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 19, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll just have to disagree on
our fortune telling.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
The real discussion is who do we want
I am firmly behind Barkley right now. He is putting up Luck like numbers, but carrying his team while he does it.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
That we will
they have a ton of weapons on offense, and a QB that can definitely get the job done. The reason there so horrid is that there offense is never on the field, and that they are not built to play from behind. They don’t have anyone to really stretch the field, and they are built to run the ball. There pretty much the Ravens, if the Ravens had the leagues worst defense.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 19, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Good, bad and ugly
Good
Watching the game I have to say the offensive line for most of the game looked really good. Pit has a great defensive line and linebackers they stopped them and did give Tjack time to throw. Was really worried about the right side but Carpender.
Bad
Running game. Lynch did not look good. All you heard about was the “Beast mode”. He didnt run anyone over or break tackles didn’t hit or find the holes that were there at times. Hoping for improvements.
Ugly
Tjack looks horrible. Waiting to long to make passes throwing the ball high and opening up your receivers to be crushed with hard hits. Can’t run the offense he knows supposedly. Holds the ball why to long. Does not move well in the pocket. Misses open recievers. Tjack looka pathetic. In all of the preseason and in the two games so far. Time to bench him and bring in Whitehurst. I had hoped for Tjack playing well but not happening.
by bkok33 on Sep 19, 2011 10:37 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
he broke a few tackles
there was one play that was busted three yards ish behind the LOS and he turned it into a 1 yd gain.
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 19, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there any possible series of events that would make this team (this season) good enough to be a .500 team?
by Edgar for Pres on Sep 19, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions
Charlie starting by week 4, and then it's slim to none on the odds.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
I'm ready for Charlie now
Jackson really is not good. He holds the ball too long and still misses open WRs while he’s doing it. He never tries to run until it’s way too late. I don’t feel like he has any anticipation for what the defense is doing or when there is a matchup to exploit. It’s extremely frustrating to watch. Hopefully Charlie sees the field next week.
Turnovers and special teams
I think that’s the biggest difference when compared to the prior year. This team is not better or worse than last year, but Seahawks are not creating any turnovers, and special teams are not playing well. When you an average or bad team, you need turnovers and special teams to have any chance of winning the game, and so far, we are just not doing it.
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