Optimism Kills and I'm Livin' on the Edge
Oh, hi there. I'm Chris. You might know me from other Seahawks blogs such as Seahawk Addicts or Thirty Acre Fortress, or from various redacted WikiLeaks cables. EIther way, I'm new around these parts and happy to be joining the best Seahawks blog on the web (arguably one of the best NFL blogs, period). Thanks to Danny for having me on board, and thanks to you for reading. Assuming you're still reading. If not, ya'll's face is busted anyway.
One of the most difficult things about football is projecting a player's real-world potential in the NFL. It's why guys like Akili Smith and Mike Williams bomb-out early and Tom Brady and, er, Mike Williams end up as success stories despite being written off. Scouts are good, necessary even, but it's impossible to actually capture all the relevant attributes to determining what the true upside of a player can be. That said, I wanted to take a look at some of the Seahawks' bubble players, and do exactly that. I'm a glutton for punishment (and cold pumpkin pie). Speaking of gluttonous pursuits of that-which-we-should-avoid...
Golden Tate: The donut caper himself is probably not actually on the bubble, but to most fans right now, he is. When you spend a second round pick on a speedy skill position player, you typically like to think of something other than deep fried dough and frosting when you mention his name. But, hark, disgruntled fans, and take a look at Mr. Tate's upside:
Percy Harvin (MIN). Steve Smith could be the easy choice here, because for the last decade every short WR has been compared to Smith, and unlike most of them, Tate is actually built similarly to Smith (which is to say, strong). However, the key difference is that Steve Smith is an every down type of player and Golden Tate doesn't seem to have that in him. Like Harvin, Tate needs to be used for what he's good at, which is to say, tomfoolery. He was a high school running back, college reciever, and by George, he was even floated as a wildcat QB option when drafted. Tate is not as talented as Harvin, but the basic toolbox is the same, plus a bit of added upper body strength.
Doug Baldwin: Let's stay with the wide-outs, shall we? Doug B. Fresh is something of an enigma. He's good, that much is clear, and in reality Baldwin may end up seeing more regular season snaps than his more lauded counterpart above. Still, he's small, he was undrafted, and, while fast (4.45-4.50 second 40-yard dash), he's not a burner. A realistic upside for Baldy?
Jason Avant (PHI). Avant is among the best slot recievers in the NFL, but his is not a name that pops up often when people talk top WRs. This is not a guy you draft unless you're in a 16-team fantasy league, in other words. Avant has better size than Baldwin, but only just, but the thing that separates these two is their route running and solid hands. I don't expect to see Baldwin too often over the first two or three seasons, but I do expect him to have a great first-down to reception ratio.
Josh Pinkard: Another guy, like Tate, that we'll see from time to time, but not as an every down player. Pinkard profiles as a guy who can step in to play either safety position, or move up in nickel situations to cover the slot. He has the speed and nose for the ball to blitz, but his injury history suggests the team is unlikely to rely too heavily on him as more than a role player early on. Upside?:
Sam Shields (GB). Now, to be fair, Shields is a CB, not a safety, so this is a bit of a stretch, but Pinkard did play CB in college under Carroll. Like Pinkard, Shields was an undrafted player in 2010, who showed up and surprised many during training camp. He spent the year as the Packers' primary nickelback, and when given a chance, flashed. Shields ended the season with two interceptions and 29 tackles, but in the playoff game against the Bears he doubled his interception total, recorded a sack and a forced fumble. To me, that's the quintessence of Pinkard: he will make plays when you give him a shot.
Malcolm Smith: Coming off a knee injury really didn't do any favors for Smith, but looking at recent history, he could be poised to join a long line of good-to-great USC linebacker products. Smith has excellent speed (4.48 at his pro-day), a sick vertical (39 inches), and above average coverage skills. Smith looked like a star in 2009, but his draft stock plummeted due to injury and a very rare eating condition in 2010. Smith's upside?:
Will Briggs. Which is to say, a hybrid of Will Herring and Lance Briggs. I think Smith's upside is significantly higher than Herring's ever was, but his size and athleticism remind me of a poor man's Lance Briggs. Don't hear me wrong: Malcolm Smith won't be the next Lance Briggs. However, with above average cover skills like Briggs, and decent play against the run this pre-season, I think Smith could profile to a starter in the league. Unfortunately, Smith's elite athleticism comes with only average strength for a linebacker. He has trouble getting off his blocks, and doesn't appear to have great pass rushing skills. We'll find out if Leroy Hill ever gets injured, though.
Josh Portis: Because we Seahawks fans are in dire need of hearing something -- anything -- positive about our quarterback position, I figured I'd cover Portis, too. Portis looks like an incredible athlete with a sick arm. The verdict is still out beyond that. If he can learn to make reads and stay healthy (always a risk for such an athletic QB), he has a very high ceiling.
Daunte Culpepper. Do me a favor and ignore the last five years of the NFL. Okay, now, cool. Whoa, Daunte Culpepper two!? On OUR meek football team? Sign me up, yo! So, Culpepper has become the football equivalent to both athlete's foot (unsightly, disappointing, sad when it affects you) and Tinactin commercials (John Madden mentions him from time to time, funny when it's not affecting you). Before that, he averaged around 245 yards per game through the air, 5.5 yards per carry rushing, 63% completion percentage, a 1.74-to-1 TD to INT ratio, and a metric assload of fumbles. That's not too bad, and if you can sell Josh Portis like that to a couple of teams, his true upside might be a 1st or 2nd round pick in the 2014 NFL draft.
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I like this article, have Chris write more
by nwfootball on Sep 2, 2011 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. I loved his articles at Seahawks Addicts, but the problem was that there just wasnt a lot of readers on that site
Great that he’s getting a chance here
Very apt and knowledgeable comparisons.
Entertaining. Thank you, and welcome!
"It was a dream come true to be the quarterback in Seattle; Bigger and better than anything I could have dreamed of." -Matthew Hasselbeck
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If you're not sure if there's a quarterback controversy, there is one.
Great read... keep it coming!
Yes I have a beer in my hand... and I'm ready to watch the Hawks smash the 49ers in week 1.
Chriiiiiiis!
I’ve been waiting for you to show up. What took you so long? Welcome to the dark side…
Confuscius say- "Baseball wrong. Man with four balls cannot walk."
Great writing voice, very welcome addition.
There is an absolute glut of content on this blog, we are ridiculously lucky (seriously, read some of the other blogs around SBN).
by jhmg16 on Sep 2, 2011 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"for the last decade every short WR has been compared to Smith"
Unless he’s white, then he’s got “Wes Welker like” ability.
The difference is grit.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
I thought the difference was
small but physically strong versus small but a student of the game.
Why do people think that Steve Smith isn't also a student of the game?
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Because the stereotype is black people are more athletic but poor students.
And a lot of these generalizations stem from old-school stereotypes. Or I could be way off base.
Well, right, but I was hoping someone had better evidence than "hey, he's black".
You know who else was a pretty big time student of the game? Keyshawn. All you heard about when that guy was playing was his ego but it’s clear he knew a lot about the game, and is him wanting the football really all that different from Largent wanting it back in the day?
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
also Marshall Faulk
That guy is a gridiron genius
by TrynZushi on Sep 2, 2011 8:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I second that!
It is nice to have you here. Nice enjoyable article to read on players that really interest me!
Respect goes a long way....
I don't know.
Shocking lack of Nick Reed mentions in this article.
by the other side on Sep 2, 2011 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
That's because nobody can be compared to Nick Reed.
by Hopefulmsfan on Sep 2, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um, Tim Tebow.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
I thought about Reed
but didn’t see any future HOF’ers on the current squad. Believe me, I tried.
by Chris Sully on Sep 2, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh okay, that makes sense.
Maybe If you combine Rice, Lynch, Thomas, and Mebane. But that doesn’t really even cover his potential at QB.
by the other side on Sep 2, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Chris glad you made it, finally!
Can’t say I missed you much since I left SA. The posts were always top notch, and relevant to what was going on in the Hawks world. As you know, there’s some damn fine writing here and you’ll fit in great.
That wasn’t meant as a slight, although it seemed. Just like the SA days, let’s wreak some havoc on the NFL and stuff.
by SGT Lenny on Sep 2, 2011 3:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The Portis to Culpepper comparison is kind of ridiculous.
Culpepper had an inch and about 50lbs on Portis. He had a Roethlisberger-ian ability to bounce off pass rushers and one of the strongest arms of his era. The Vick comparisons aren’t any less ridiculous but at least they’re more accurate.
I think that ultimately it's hard to find guys to compare to any of these new-breed athletic QBs because they just haven't been used that much in the NFL in the past.
The best comp is probably someone who had to play up in the CFL for years because the NFL was too conservative to value their skillset. Flutie? Jeff Garcia?
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
I don't know, Portis didn't look anything like Vick to me....
…although comparing Portis to anyone is tough – we haven’t seen all that much of him. But Vick is short – 6’ I think, where Portis is taller, if memory serves. Also, Portis’ throwing motion seems far better then the early Vick – more fundamentally sound. Finally, their running styles appear quite different. Vick is very elusive while Portis is very smooth and fast. Not saying one is better then the other – just different.
On another note, did you hear/see Locker’s performance last night? Quite impressive. Wonder what Hass is thinking – or the Titan fans.
Glad I am not a Titans fan...
About the 2011 Seahawks: "And if I laugh at any mortal thing, tis that I may not weep." Byron
He doesn't look like Vick to me either
but he looks a hell of a lot more like Vick than he does Culpepper.
I did watch some Cam Newton play...
…and frankly he didn’t look any better on the field than Portis. And their styles are comparable…
He has the decision-making ability of young Vick
That’s about it.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 2, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sign him!!
I hear he’s looking for a job
by TrynZushi on Sep 2, 2011 8:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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Was in reference to Culpepper
by TrynZushi on Sep 2, 2011 8:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So, not to make TOO huge of a criticism, but...
…I’m not a huge fan of the formatting. As I’m hoping you’ll do more of these, in the future could you perhaps find a way of delineating more clearly who is the player and who is the projection? Like maybe putting them on the same subject line? TBH I will often skim through articles like this and then go back and read the parts which look the most intriguing to me (and I can’t imagine I’m the only one who does that). The this is presented, it’s significantly harder to get the gist by the first read-through.
Otherwise, great article and I’m looking forward to more of these in the future.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Good feedback
Thanks. I’ll do so. I was tossing this together under dark of email while at work. Basically pasted, fed links though, and begged Danny not to keep whipping me.
Selling Portis
Portis as the next Cunningham, discuss.
So he's going to be maddeningly inconsistent until he hits his 30s, by which time he'll be on a completely different team?
NO THANKS.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Sep 2, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad Chris is here!
I remember him from SA and he is fantastic. Can’t have too many chefs in the kitchen when it comes to writing about the Seahawks if you ask me.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 2, 2011 11:45 PM PDT reply actions

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