If the NFL Draft Was Tomorrow - Week 2
by Hmph on Sep 21, 2011 9:53 AM PDT
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DK edit: In a probably futile attempt to limit or minimize the "Suck for Luck" discussions at Field Gulls, I've front paged this article. Why? Well, first of all, it's well-researched and thorough, and it's hard for me not to praise something like that. Second, here's your chance to get it out of your system.
If you MUST talk about the "Suck for Luck" idea, do it here, in this segment, because rest assured, it's not going to be welcome in most other articles' commentary. Take that as fair warning. This may become a weekly post, and the further the season progresses and the playoff picture emerges, the more relevant this becomes.
This column will act sort of like Whiskey Chainsaw's awesome fantasy football column -- FF and the Seahawks' 2012 Draft position don't have a happy home in most of our discussions here at Field Gulls, but that doesn't mean people don't want to talk about it. Anyway, this is not an endorsement of the idea that we should root for our team to lose so just abandon that argument right now. But what Hmph has put together is actual research and not just "Dude, the Seahawks will suck this year," and it will give you an idea of where the Seahawks are, in reality, in terms of draft position.
Is this premature? Of course it is. The Seahawks are only 0-2 at the moment, after all. Still, if this place is going to go all bonkers over "Suck for Luck" or "Go Splat For Matt (Barkley)", it may be a good idea to keep an eye on all the other teams in the league who may be trying to do the same thing.
(Note: I'm not on the "Tank it for a high draft pick" bandwagon. While I think this team needs to use this year to gauge their needs for the next step of the rebuilding process and not worry about making the playoffs, I think it antagonizes the fans - especially the ones who pay to attend the games in person - to go through the motions for an entire season. That said, we're a horrible team this year, so there's no harm in tracking just how bad we are.)
Obviously, there are a handful of other teams that look to be just as putrid this year. The Chiefs seem to have taken a major step backwards this year, and injuries to Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry and Tony Moeaki have not done them any favors. The Colts are going to be sans Peyton Manning for at least half the season, and without any serious hopes at the playoffs themselves it's hard to imagine they'll be in a big hurry to get him back on the field. The Bengals and Jaguars won their first game, but neither Andy Dalton nor Blaine Gabbert instills a lot of confidence in their short-term prospects.
On that note, I'll be tracking the hypothetical draft order of all 32 teams as the season progresses.
How exactly is the draft order determined, you ask? Well, it's a total of four criteria:
- Win-loss record
- Strength of schedule (total win-loss record of all opponents)
- Divisional win-loss record
- Random draw (coin toss)
In other words, if two teams tie for the same record, the team with the weakest schedule is ranked higher. If that's tied, it's the divisional record, and finally a coin toss if there's still a deadlock.
So, here is how the draft would look if it were to take place tomorrow based on Week 2 records - and all you "Suck for Luck" devotees, there's some good news for you.
1. Seahawks -- 0-2, 15-17 SOS, 0-1 Div.
2. Rams -- 0-2, 16-16 SOS, 0-0 Div.
3. Colts -- 0-2,17-15 SOS, 0-1 Div.
4-5 Panthers -- 0-2, 18-14 SOS, 0-0 Div.
4-5 Chiefs -- 0-2, 18-14 SOS, 0-0 Div.
6. Vikings -- 0-2, 19-13 SOS, 0-0 Div.
7. Dolphins -- 0-2, 23-9 SOS, 0-1 Div.
8. Cardinals -- 1-1, 11-21 SOS, 0-0 Div.
9. Browns -- 1-1, 13-19 SOS, 0-1 Div.
10. Steelers -- 1-1, 14-18 SOS, 0-1 Div.
11-12. Falcons -- 1-1, 14-18 SOS, 0-0 Div.
11-12. Saints -- 1-1, 14-18 SOS, 0-0 Div.
13-14. 49ers -- 1-1, 14-18 SOS, 1-0 Div.
13-14. Bengals -- 1-1, 14-18 SOS, 1-0 Div.
15-16. Buccaneers -- 1-1, 15-17 SOS, 0-0 Div.
15-16. Bears -- 1-1, 15-17 SOS, 0-0 Div.
17. Ravens -- 1-1, 15-17 SOS, 1-0 Div.
18. Titans -- 1-1, 16-16 SOS, 0-1 Div.
19. Jaguars -- 1-1, 16-16 SOS, 1-0 Div.
20. Broncos -- 1-1, 17-15 SOS, 0-1 Div.
21. Chargers -- 1-1, 17-15 SOS, 0-0 Div.
22. Eagles -- 1-1, 18-14 SOS, 0-0 Div.
23. Raiders -- 1-1, 18-14 SOS, 1-0 Div.
24. Giants -- 1-1, 19-13 SOS, 0-1 Div.
25. Cowboys -- 1-1, 19-13 SOS, 0-0 Div.
26. Texans -- 2-0, 12-20 SOS, 1-0 Div.
27. Packers -- 2-0, 13-19 SOS, 0-0 Div.
28. Lions -- 2-0, 14-18 SOS, 0-0 Div.
29. Redskins -- 2-0, 14-18 SOS, 1-0 Div.
30. Patriots -- 2-0, 15-17 SOS, 1-0 Div.
31-32. Bills -- 2-0, 18-14 SOS, 0-0 Div.
31-32. Jets -- 2-0, 18-14 SOS, 0-0 Div.
As you can see, the Seahawks would have the honor of making the first pick in the 2012 NFL Draft if it were held right now. Of course, as the season progresses these numbers will continue to shift, but right now it shows we have the inside track for the #1 pick, for the time being.
Who are those teams in italics, you may ask? Well, they're the five teams that I consider to be most desperate at the quarterback position in the near future. The Colts are going to want to find a protegé for Peyton sooner rather than later, especially if injuries start to catch up with the former active leader in consecutive QB starts. Chad Henne hasn't shot his team in the foot thus far this year, but fans have been clamoring for an upgrade in the preseason and with Sparano's seat being warm, you figure a new coach would want a new QB.
Alex Smith never was and never will be the solution at QB, and Jim Harbaugh would probably love to snag that guy from Stanford if given the chance. And if John Fox becomes unhappy with Kyle Orton's play, he'll probably get his own QB before putting the team in Tebow's hands. Having the #1 pick isn't necessarily important, but if the 'Hawks want to have their pick of quarterbacks in the draft next year, they'll want as few of these teams picking ahead of them as possible.
Strength of Schedule is the wild card here: since the NFC West is a combined 2-6 currently, any team that faces the whole division - namely, the NFC East and the AFC North - get a nice boost to their strength of schedule ranking, not to mention the NFC West teams themselves who play each other twice. That has a lot to do with why the Seahawks are at the top of the draft, the Rams are second, and the Dolphins are the lowest-drafting 0-2 team at the moment, since all three of its divisional opponents are at 2-0.
That'll do it for this week's report. We'll see how things continue to shake out next Tuesday.
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Nice work
Bolding doesn’t really work well with SBN’s auto-tagging. Might want to italic the entire row for your picked teams.
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If there was a way to make a table on these pages I’d appreciate it.
"There's an old saying - revenge is a dish best served immediately."
If you make a table then cut-and-paste sometimes that works. Other times it doesn't.
It’s quite vexing actually.
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Interesting topic.
Unfortunately, the race to the bottom will likely become more relevant to our beloved Hawks as the season progresses. I believe the teams with the best chance to get the first pick are the Seahawks, Colts, Chiefs, Browns, Jaguars, and possibly the Panthers and Bengals. Two of these teams are in the AFC North, Two in the AFC south, and the Colts play the Panthers, Bengals, Chiefs and Jags this year.
In other words, I think the odds are still stacked against the Hawks, but with this difficult schedule, it is certainly possible. How they play against the division will be the key.
Also, I feel that if the Chiefs finished with the worst record, they would be all over Luck. Cassell isn’t firmly entrenched there, and a 1-3 win season will win you no fans, no matter how much the odds are stacked against you.
I personally don't understand why everyone is so down on Cleveland this year.
With four games against the NFC West, four against a vulnerable AFC South (Indy and Jacksonville being especially vulnerable), with Miami and Oakland filling out the schedule, I can see them grinding out at least 4 wins out of those 10 games, and picking up a fifth at home against the Bengals. They’ll still finish third in the division, but I don’t see them being absolute doormats.
As for the Chiefs, there’s certainly the possibilty of the “New coach, new QB” theory coming into play there.
"There's an old saying - revenge is a dish best served immediately."
Why should we give Cleveland the benefit of the doubt?
What has Colt McCoy ACTUALLY DONE to prove that he isn’t a below-average QB? Who the hell are his receivers? Can you name anyone on their defense other than recently-drafted 1st rounder Joe Haden? I like Peyton Hillis and Joe Thomas, but beating an awful Colts team isn’t impressive at all.
I need some actual evidence that the Browns are any good.
I can't possibly see the Chiefs falling out of the top 3 picks and they look like the frontrunner to me to run away with the #1 pick.
And I don’t think there’s a chance in hell that they pass on Luck if everything goes as planned. (Assuming he’s healthy and enters the draft)
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Chiefs play the Colts once
and the Broncos twice. Also the Vikings, and Miami. They should be at least a 2 win team.
And when I say they should be at least a two win team what I really mean is that I hope they are at least a two win team with a five win upside.
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The Chiefs schedule is almost inconsequential to me because you say "but the Chiefs play the Colts" and I say "but the Colts play the Chiefs"
Miami doesn’t belong on that list either.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Miami won't be in the running for last place,
but they are beatable. They can look good against the Pats and lay eggs against the worst, they’re just one of those teams.
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The Dolphins went 1-15 one year when they really weren't THAT bad.
They just know how to lose games.
Seattle would be insane to not draft a QB in 2012
If they don’t do this or get a free-agent/tradeable QB in his prime then Carroll and Schneider should be immediately under fire.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
If we are in the 8-10 range
and Luck and Barkley are gone, I sure as hell hope they don’t entrench themselves with Landry Jones. I’d rather a trade for Carson and develop a 2nd-3rd rounder if that’s the case.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 21, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Flip side of the coin
I guess if we’re opening it up to Barkley and Landry Jones and such, then the question could be: what would have to happen for the Seahawks to fall out of the race for one of the top 3 or 4 QBs in 2012?
Obviously Luck is the crown jewel, but we could still get a very good QB after pick #1.
If for some reason (Tavaris ends up being awesome, relatively speaking? Whitehurst goes from Clipboard Jesus to actual savior?) we end up falling to #10 or so, it’ll be telling to see if our F.O. reaches for a QB or if they just grab the best player available and try to find a QB some other way.
Seattle doesn't need to get Luck
They need to get a top college QB, though. I’m not interested in Q/PMs reclamation schemes in skill positions anymore.
If Whitehurst fails then both Jackson and Charlie need to go. Wholesale changes are a must.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
Where will the other QBs fall?
It’s hard (perhaps pointless) to try and figure out where all the college QBs will fall in the draft and what NFL teams will be drafting in those specific slots, but are any of the other QBs going to be top 10 picks? Barkley seems like he may. Too many variables right now and it’s early to get that deep into it perhaps.
I think everyone is in agreement that we need to get a QB of the future somewhere in the draft (or through a trade).
We're probably a 4 win team max.
And that’s with Charlie starting, with TJ I’d say 1 or 2 wins. So I say fuck it. The die is cast.
If you’re gonna fail, fail big.
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We play in the NFC west
that means each year we have a legitimate shot at 8 wins, we blew one but still have a shot at7 from the division, we also play the browns and bengals, and the two wild card teams of dallas and washington(they are both wildly inconsistent and tend to lose to really bad teams on any given sunday) so that is like 9-11 winnable games, i dont think we will win that many unless the offense starts clicking.
One thing to keep in mind though is that with the offense even if TJ knows it, the wide outs dont, or at least the ones who have been playing. could still gel(wishful thinking)
How I break it down.
In the division it’s 6 games, with 5 left. This weekend is probably our best chance at a win of those 5. So I’m saying its probable that of those five games we will most likely win 2 or 3 at best. 3 out of 5 seems pretty generous for this group so I’d wager 1 or 2 out of 5. The other “winnable” games are against the Browns and Bengals. So that’s a total of 5 games that we have a realistic shot at winning (though we’ll be underdogs in all 5). The other 9 games we should get beat handily.
So being a four win max team requires us to win 4 out 5 “winnable” games. I don’t see that happening with this team. I see 1 or 2 wins as likely.
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I'd put the Chiefs in italics too.
They won’t pass up the opportunity to draft Luck, especially since they’ll probably be looking at a new coaching staff and possibly a new GM.
Barring injury Luck will be the top pick no matter who finishes last. If Carolina finishes last, this will be a year that the top pick gets traded. And they’ll get a king’s ransom for it. If Luck and Barkley come out, I could see them trading back to #2, and then trading back again for double king’s ransom. Finishing last could set Carolina up for a decade.
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I couldn't see the Panthers possibly being in that position.
They’ve still got games against the Jags (this week with Blaine Gabbert starting), Colts and Vikings and they haven’t been terrible in the first two games. I could see them winning 5 games this year.
As far as the Chiefs go, I think they’ll take the opportunity to draft any QB thats available in their spot thats worthy of that spot and I don’t think they’ll fall out of the top 3, so they are drafting a QB in my opinion. In his last 4 games Cassel has 1 TD and 9 INTs. Last season he had 5 games where he threw 3 or more TD’s (against only 1 INT combined) and those came against the 9ers, Hawks, Texans, Broncos, and Titans.
Those teams were 24th, 27th, 32nd, 25th, and 29th against the pass respectively.
The only playoff team that the Chiefs beat last season was the Seahawks. This is going to be a long season for Kansas City. I think they’ll wind up with the #1 pick and draft Andrew Luck.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Aha! Therein lies the dilemma.
If the Seahawks have the top pick and can get “double king’s ransom” for trading out of the two top spots, should they do it? We’re talking a lot of extra first-round draft choices…
Carolina would only trade because they already have Newton.
Since the Hawks don’t have comparable talent at quarterback they should take Luck.
Absolutely not.
I really would hope the Seahawks don’t overthink this sh!t and just take Luck.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
On the flip side, if the Seahawks absolutely have to take a QB
In the draft like everyone declares, and aren’t in a position to get the top two guys, are you willing to see a ton of future picks traded away to move up?
With the rookie salary cap, it’s going to cost a lot, lot, lot more for a team to move up.
This is really good work. Thanks for putting this together.
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Yeah, I don't mind talking about the draft HERE.
It’s like a quarantine zone, where we can drift off into wild speculation and rosterbation without consequence. Just remember to turn back on your logic and reason when you visit the rest of the site.
It is entirely logical and reasonable to want Luck
I’d gladly (and intelligently) trade a few mediocre wins that I won’t even remember a few years from now for a franchise QB in the next draft.
by Dialectic on Sep 21, 2011 1:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I also want Luck, but I don't want the Seahawks to go 0-16.
Right now, everywhere else on this site, I am concerned about the 2011 Seahawks. Andrew Luck, and the possibility of drafting him, is 2012 business. To bring any Luck Lust anywhere but this thread is akin to rooting for the Seahawks to lose this season (which they may very well do anyway).
Who cares if they go 0-16
or 2-14 or 4-12 for that matter. If 0-16 guarentees the elite franchise QB. Go for it!
I care....out there.
In this thread, we can assume that the Seahawks will finish with a top pick. But in other threads, there are still FOURTEEN games to play. A lot can change between now and late April.
This is what I'm hoping.
Because it’s irrational to believe ppl won’t talk about it, let’s try and limit it to one post a week.
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by Danny Kelly on Sep 21, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not so sure about the Colts
They have a LOT of money tied up in Peyton. This means that they can’t really resign most players when they come up in free agency. If they want talent to surround Peyton, they’ll need to draft it. That means not really drafting a QB for a few years. For instance isn’t Reggie Wayne up this year? That means they need to draft a receiver to replace him. They may draft Peyton’s replacement soon but I wouldn’t count on this year or with their likely to be very high draft pick.
Like it or not if you’re Indy, you hitched the wagon to Peyton and now it’s time to ride that horse. Personally I hate the franchise and Gomer Pyle, so I’m ecstatic.
They can get out of his contract at the end of this year.
That’d be fairly drastic, but it’s an option. Also, with the rookie wage scale, Luck’s contract would be less of a burden.
That's the big question, isn't it?
If the Colts keep Peyton, they’ll still have a lot of resources tied up in the QB position (even if Luck doesn’t cost $50 million). If they play baldy enough to earn the #1 pick, that might be a good reason to trade back, and restock the rest of the team.
If they let Peyton go, however, the hole at QB would be so gaping that not taking one with their 1st pick would be ridiculous.
Why wouldn't they keep Peyton?
He’s signed through to 2015. They could trade back, but I don’t see them drafting a QB and dropping / keeping Manning
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 21, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Because he makes $100 million dollars and has a broken neck?
I exaggerate, of course, but keeping Manning at this point isn’t a sure thing. He’s already 35, and he might not be able to return to form at even 100% health.
Why shouldn't Indy draft Luck and keep him?
pay him his 5.5 million a year to be a backup so they can develop him for 3 years while Peyton finishes his career. Best thing the 49ers ever did was sit Steve Young behind Montana for 4 years. With the new rookie salary scale, Luck is the best insurance policy for Manning and Indy would be foolish not to go for it.
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It's possible, though, that Manning could play until he's 40, and by the time Luck is able to start he could be a free agent.
The NFL in the late 80’s was an entirely different creature, without realistic free agency. Anyway, the Colts could decide they have too many holes on their team to put all of their eggs into the QB basket (this year).
Because they can get a really good player in a position of need
Look at the colts without Manning, they need other players then just him to get to the Super Bowl, rather then someone who sits on the bench for three years then after his contract is up, maybe goes somewhere else, if he pans out at all.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 21, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
A more interesting question
is how are QBs likely to be drafted in the top 6 picks or so. Its unlikely the Seahawks will pick #1, but its likely they’ll draft within the top 6. Seems certain that if the Colts or Dolphins draft ahead of us, they’ll choose a QB, but if the Chiefs or Browns manage to draft ahead of us, do they go for Barkley or Jones or do they leave one of those guys for us?
I hope Schneider’s scouts have their eyes on some sleeper QBs after those three.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
If Barkley comes out,
They will be chosen one and two. Trades will happen if a team not wanting a QB gets either pick.
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With the new smaller rookie contracts, teams will not be shy at all about taking top 5 QBs
by Dialectic on Sep 21, 2011 1:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Teams weren't shy about it before
But if you have a franchise QB, you hardly ever draft a second. Most teams would try to fill their other needs rather then pick up a second, and if a team wants to trade for the QB on the board, what better time then the draft? they would just trade back to get more players. I would think.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 21, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
as long as we have the top pick in our division...
if we get luck great….if not we should still be picking a qb that is on par with kolb/ stafford…
An interesting note
Of all the 0-2 teams currently, the Seahawks only play the Rams. Here’s a breakdown of 0-2 teams that play each other:
Miami – KC
Colts – KC, Car
KC – Min, Colts, Miami
Car – Colts, Min
Rams – Sea
Sea – Rams
by David Robinson on Sep 21, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions
And the Rams
will be the clear favorite in both games I think.
by Jazzercise! on Sep 21, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think teams like the Jaguars and Bengals should be ignored. Some 1-1 teams are worse than some 0-2 teams. Not quite sold on Bills or Redskins, even if they won't get the #1 pick, they could turn into beatable teams.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
If KC and Indy didn't play each other
I could really see the three of us going winless.
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Yes, eventually the worst teams will have a 1-# record
and it’ll be a larger discussion.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 21, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
i dont see the bills
taking a QB, they like fitzpatrick.
and thats all i got…
by Bruiser89171 on Sep 21, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
They don't like Fitzgerald enough to pass on Andrew freakin' Luck.
If the Bills play badly enough to get close to the #1 pick, that would be a sign that Mr. Harvard isn’t (or shouldn’t be) in Buffalo’s long-term plans.
Bills have two wins already though
No way they pick that high. They were against bad teams, but they should still pick up 6 wins at this point.
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 21, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I am on the Kellen Moore Band Wagon
I think for his value depending on where he goes could be a steal we wouldn’t even have to have a great pick.
I have only seen Landry Jones against Florida State and his play did not seem elevated, he may put up some good numbers but he didn’t look like anything special against FSU.
So I have 3 QB’s I want Barkley, Luck and Moore.
by Jazzercise! on Sep 21, 2011 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I know he is short
but Kellen Moore can play. Bottom line. I would love to see him on the Hawks if we are not in the bottom 10 picks.
Oh the joy of being a Hawks fan!!!
by HawksFever on Sep 21, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Drew Bree can do it
Kellen Moore can!
by Jazzercise! on Sep 21, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
He could always Christian Ponder it, though.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 21, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
can he play in high heels though ?
by speechcobra on Sep 21, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that it isn't just his shortness.
He seems to have a low release point is what I am told by my BSU friends. Not a good combo with being short.
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
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I saw him play against Uo Washington, not a phenominal team(but they got trufaunt JR) and he looked sharp.
If Tjack keeps playing like this
We will be getting Luck. We are averaging 8.5 points a game and giving up 28 a game. I really don’t see us winning more than 3 wins this year. This is a big week for TJ.
Oh the joy of being a Hawks fan!!!
How many losses will we win?
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Feels like there are just too many good QB's coming out in the next draft
If we don’t get one, we’re dead.
maybe one of the reasons we didnt get any last year.
we could get a better than any we have now QB as low as like 15.
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Speaking of premature...
The Bengals and Jaguars won their first game, but neither Andy Dalton nor Blaine Gabbert instills a lot of confidence in their short-term prospects.
How can you say this after two games and a combined 62 pass attempts?
From what I've read, even the coaches were saying he was far from ready in the preseason.
I doubt he’s improved that much in a couple of weeks.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. Improvement takes longer than two weeks.
I thought the implication was: Gabbert and Dalton are not the answer, and the Jags and Bengals would be interested in Luck. And I don’t think you can make that kind of determination with any certainty so soon.
Of course, after 8 weeks of these QBs looking like Clausen, then we can say these teams are in the mix.
by Mr. Bultitude on Sep 21, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, well he didn't put those teams in italics so I dont think that was the implication. Just that they'd be bad.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That being said, I'm not so sure why people say "Well the Bengals just drafted Dalton!" but nobody ever talks about Kaepernick.
And yes, I’m aware of the Stanford connection. Not even saying that the 49ers shouldn’t draft Luck… but if thats the case I don’t see any less of an advantage for the Bengals to draft Luck.
What if you asked the Titans if they’d rather have Peyton Manning in 1998 to replace a young Steve McNair? Wouldn’t they jump on that?
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see it now: Seahawks position of need: "Football"
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I say we put Jon Ryan on IR, and surgically transpose his kicking leg and his right arm.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
by pqlqi on Sep 21, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No tryin' for Ryan
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Holy crap, I'm 3/3 now on FanPosts making the front page.
I seriously didn’t think I was capable of contributing this much.
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by Hmph on Sep 21, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Put them all in italics
Barring any unforeseen circumstances, I expect that Luck will go first no matter who has the pick. The Bengals would take him and trade Dalton. The Packers would take Luck and trade him to the highest bidder.
Remember when the Texans won the Reggie Bush sweepstakes?
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by Kenneth Arthur on Sep 21, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Only Week 2?
No. This has been 6 weeks of terrible football, because nothing in the preseason instilled any confidence in anybody. The majority of Tavaris’ success (non-failure?) occurred in play against 2nd/3rd stringers.
We could have an early 2000s Ravens D and yet I’m not at all confident we have the QBs to put up a mediocre impression of Dilfer. Sucking for Luck is not about failure- it’s about success.
Thizz or die.
ps – if they end up in the no.2 slot and barkley morphs into rick mirer upon putting on the Seahawks hat, i’m going to literally place my head in one of those reverse bear traps from the Saw series.
Re: If the NFL Draft Was Tomorrow - Week 2. How's that?
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Sorry Gang :(
Didn’t know there were special rules for this site – it’s the first I’ve used that requires a subject line. Figured they were pointless anyway. Anyway, I’m well-versed on them now.
by hookemdevils22 on Sep 22, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
It actually helps the mods by linking them directly to comments
And it makes comments collapsible, which is nice for big pictures and walls of text.
This is pretty cool, Hmph.
I’d prefer that the draft talk and Luck/Barkley fellating stay in a thread like this. It was getting out of control before the season, and now that we’re off to a pathetic start, Luck and Barkley have invaded every thread and are the subject of multiple new fanposts/shots.
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Quarterbacks
Obviously Luck and Barkley are at the top of the list, but I think this draft has some good developmental talent at the position. (I also think Barkley will go back to school.)
It’s certainly possible that Seattle acquires another established QB and then drafts a developmental player.
Some candidates in no particular order…
1. Ryan Tannehill — He’s already a fringe first rounder who could be a high first round prospect by the end of the season.
2. Kirk Cousins — I watched last year’s bowl game vs. Mississippi State and last weekend vs. Notre Dame. Maybe those are two of his worst games. They just happen to be games that I paid attention to him. I see pro tools, but I also saw a ton of mistakes against good defenses with speed.
3. Nic Foles — May be the most underrated QB in the Pac-12. He certainly doesn’t have Luck’s offensive line or running game to keep him ahead of the chains. And despite running a Mike Leach-inspired spread he frequently puts balls into tight windows. His sack rate really shot up last season. So that’s something to keep an eye on.
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My vote would be for Ryan Tannehill.
I really hope we are not picking in the top five. I think pick number one if Luck is off the board should be a pass rusher. We need it badly, DE or DT. Tannehill would be a good pick in the 2nd or 3rd.
This is a great idea, and look forward to updates along the way.
A nice complement to this article would be something similar in ranking top college QBs, and discussion about things like, who will come out (Luck and Barkley are juniors, right?)
Also, we have seen top-touted QBs guaranteed to be drafted first overall (cough cough Locker cough) whose draft stock plumeted based on closer evaulations. I recall seeing Clausen slated to go in the top pick during a time. It would be interesting to see how these prospects fair during their season, and what Seahawk fans think about them.
As has been pointed out, the 2012 draft looks good for QBs (although I have heard that before too) so Seattle doesn’t necessarily have to draft first overall (although I can’t see how they draft outside the top five, current course and speed).
As far as the Colts go, they are a bad team without Manning because they need talent elsewhere. That being the case, I can see them trading out of a top pick (although I have trouble seeing them land there in the first place).
I don’t think the Bengals or Browns are bad enough to be drafting in the top five. KC and the Jags I think the real possibilities for going 1 and 2 (depending on how Gabbert plays – if he does well then obviously the Jags pass on a franchise guy, and trade as well).
Cassel was never a world-beater, and it wouldn’t take more than a New York minute for KC to draft Luck or Barkley, I would think.
The Rams and Panthers will win games. They are both solid, and better then their record. The Dolphins and Cards will also win some games. Not so sure about Minnisota, but they should win more then Seattle. And if the niners beat Seattle again, it won’t much matter if they don’t beat anyone else.
So at this point, I say KC and Jacksonville and Seattle at the bottom (pending changes in QB play for Seattle and the Jags).
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The season is still ongoing and it's mostly an open book on any QB not named Luck
Though Barkley’s spot as a top pick seems fairly set, presuming he comes out, but who knows, it’s rarely that predictable.
A lot of the others are in flux, including the oft-touted Landry Jones. As you said, next year’s QB draft always looks great, but if you dig a bit deeper there’s a lot of question marks.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 21, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Add to the fact that I don't follow college football at all
The football team at the school I attended (CSUN) was so bad they actually dismantled the program. Hard to get into it at that point.
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I don't think we would go with a QB at the #1 overall pick
Drafting a possible replacement to compete with him in the offseason would be damaging to Tarvaris Jackson’s confidence.
And we wouldn’t want that, would we?
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by Clendy on Sep 21, 2011 7:17 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Stop jerking Tarvaris Jackson around you jerks!
Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 21, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He just needs his 27 starts!
So, actually, 5 more games to go…
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 22, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW, for those concerned
Here are the divisional matchups in this years schedule:
AFC North — AFC South & NFC West
AFC South — AFC North & NFC South
AFC East — AFC West & NFC East
AFC West — AFC East & NFC North
NFC North — NFC South & AFC West
NFC South — NFC North & AFC South
NFC East — NFC West & AFC East
NFC West — NFC East & AFC North
These are in addition to each team’s three divisional rivals and the teams in the remaining divisions of the same conference that finished with the same division standings in 2010. (Thus, all the #1 teams in each division play each other, as do the #2s, the #3s, and the #4s.)
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