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Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor Defending the Deep Ball

I don't like this. I don't like this at all.

The Seahawks defensive performances against the 49ers and Steelers have been worrisome, but it is easier to name bright spots there than it is for offense. Particularly, our young safety duo of Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor have been getting a lot of praise. Personally I'm pretty pleasantly surprised to see Kam Chancellor play as many snaps as he has, I expected the strong safety position to be more of a rotation, especially after the addition of Atari Bigby.

Bigby's certainly been present and has made an impact, but it's mostly been Chancellor and Thomas. They lead the team in tackles, Chancellor with 19 (15 solo) and Thomas with 15 (12 solo). Neither one has any registered play against the pass, in fact the Seahawks have yet to register an interception and the only players with passes defended are Marcus Trufant (2) and Aaron Curry (1, that should have been an interception). Traditional stats work poorly when analyzing secondary players, tackles can just as easily be racked up by assignments as by flubbed coverage by corners or safeties. But while tape analysis trumps all, having your safeties lead the team in tackles but not show up in passing stats is kind of worrisome.

Earl Thomas is probably my favorite current Seahawk, and watching him fly around against the 49ers was fun. But both Thomas and Chancellor played a lot of that game sneaking up to the line, as we had little reason to respect the 49ers passing game. It's good to see Earl Thomas be more of a force in run support, and Chancellor was expected to be an enforcer on the line but it's good to see him capable of doing it. But it left me with open questions about the two defending against the pass.

Star-divide

After finishing up my writeup on Browner a few days back, I found myself wondering why Browner was all alone in the endzone on that PI, and again why Earl Thomas was not in position to bat what should be an easy forced incomplete on the long Mike Wallace reception. Then Pete Carroll pointed out the same thing. Much like the pass rusher argument, this doesn't excuse Browner much, but it's football, and failings rarely stand on their own.

On the PI TD, Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor started deep, but both recognize the pass late and are well behind Browner chasing down Wallace. One the 53-yard pass, Kam Chancellor is on man coverage on Heath Miller, which leaves Earl Thomas as the single high safety. It's impossible to tell from the TV broadcast how or why he's out of position, but he is.

Television broadcasts really are little help in getting a close look at safety play. Thankfully, the NFL Gamepass and Game Rewind offer "coaches film" on selected plays. The coaches film is grainy and doesn't offer a lot of angles, but I'll take any all-22 I can get. Sadly, Gamepass limits the plays available to you, and they tend to be big plays only, so I had little to work with in week one. It got a lot better this week.

(13:32) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to 88-E.Sanders pushed ob at SEA 44 for 30 yards (31-K.Chancellor).

No All-22 on this one, but a play worth mentioning, with about 26-27 yards after the catch. Browner is over Sanders but with no under help and no chance to catch up to him after the catch. Thurmond is in the vicinity but focused on his receiver and apparently unaware that a pass was already made. Chancellor is in position to make the stop after about twenty yards but hesitates as Sanders stutter-steps, and then misses his tackle, as does Earl Thomas. Chancellor eventually forces him out.

1-10-SEA 39 (14:13) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 17-M.Wallace to SEA 23 for 16 yards (29-E.Thomas).

Prior to the snap, Brandon Browner backs up to about 11-12 yards off the LoS, while Thomas moves forward out of the safety spot into the box. No one is on man coverage on Wallace. Snap. Thomas stays in place while trying to read Ben, while Browner backpedals to nowhere. Earl should have the under but is late on his read, Wallace makes an easy catch, weaves past Browner and Curry for a bit before Earl catches up to him.

2-7-SEA 20 (12:48) (Shotgun) 33-I.Redman right guard for 20 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

2nd and 7, the Hawks moved into a nickel formation, with Thurmond right on the line and Earl sneaking up to it. Browner and Trufant are outside of and behind the nickel linebackers Curry and McCoy. Hargrove and Mebane are pull-blocked out, Curry pursued right into a blocker (as you do), McCoy arrives late. Chancellor looks outright silly running hard into Redman's lane, and Redman employs the smallest of cutbacks to make him stumble and fall down.

2-8-SEA 20 (3:15) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 83-H.Miller to SEA 4 for 16 yards (31-K.Chancellor)

This was the play where Brock was tripped into Ben's knee, but let's look at the secondary. Seahawks are in nickel, Steelers got three wide with a corner on each. Miller motions outside prior to the snap. Curry and McCoy were both lined up right over the DTs prior to the snap but move out after the snap, Curry rolling hard to his right. I thought he was heading in to pick up Miller but he seems to be running to aid Browner on Antonio Brown, and recognizes the pass to Miller too late. Prior to the snap, Thomas and Chancellor are two deep, both at the 5. Kam doesn't immediately spot the free man after the snap, but is quick enough once the pass is in the air. Miller catches the ball at about the 10 and is forced out a few yards later.

1-10-PIT 50 (7:07) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to 17-M.Wallace to SEA 27 for 23 yards (39-B.Browner).

You can read Browner's failing (including making an unflagged horse collar) here. Seahawks are two deep with corners in man. Mendenhall motions out to the right before the snap, which makes Curry step back and Chancellor step up out of high coverage to cover Mendenhall. I'm not scouting DL here, but I'd like to note Chris Clemons has a lightning first step here, and is only just redirected away from Ben. Thomas, now in single high, does not move further inside, and backpedals to about the 26 after the snap. The biggest failing in the play is the lack of underneath coverage on Wallace, but Thomas put himself out of position as well.

3-9-PIT 27 (1:52) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass deep left to 17-M.Wallace to SEA 20 for 53 yards (29-E.Thomas).

As I said, this was one of the plays where I was wondering about safety help. Chancellor is on man coverage on Heat Miller who is running a drag, so that excuses him. Earl Thomas is in single high at the 43 on the offensive right hashmarks. The two corners in front of him and Chancellor all have over coverage on their receivers, meaning that if the pass is made there they should be able to get a stop by themselves. Browner, on the other hand, is behind if in stride with Wallace from about five steps in. Thomas is backpedalling and then takes a few steps Thurmond's matchup, which is putting himself well out of position even as Browner and Wallace run past his hashmark. Thanks to his speed he is able to still arrive to make the tackle (or rather help Wallace stumble down on an impressive catch), but he was well out of position.

3-29-SEA 39 (14:55) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to 84-A.Brown to SEA 23 for 16 yards (39-B.Browner).

Seahawks are showing blitz, with Bigby right at the O-line but dropping back at the snap. Chancellor is on Heath Miller again, and Earl is single-high all the way back to the 5-yard line. Good pressure on Roethlisberger here, but he gets one off over the upreached hand of Atari Bigby. Browner allowed Brown to get well inside him by letting him run free on a simple cross route. Bigby's in the best position to help, but because Brown has to jump up to grab it Browner can make the open-field tackle.

3-8-PIT 10 (2:59) (Shotgun) 7-B.Roethlisberger pass short left to 84-A.Brown pushed ob at PIT 29 for 19 yards (39-B.Browner).

Browner gets pretty handsy with Brown, but never looks for the ball even when Brown is obviously making a catching motion. Well, we know that drill. Chancellor is once again spying on Heath Miller. Seemed to be the plan. Guess it worked, Miller didn't do much. For what that's worth.

There's not a lot I can say on quality of play yet, but the usage of our two safeties was interesting. Chancellor was used to play man on Heath Miller a lot, leaving Earl Thomas as the single high safety,  which is about as difficult a spot as you can play. The reviews on his play there so far are definitely what I'd call mixed, using his athleticism to compensate for somewhat middling if not outright bad decisions. Most of Thomas' tackles through two weeks have been in short yardage situations, and it's good to see him expand in that role with Lawyer Milloy gone, but he's not exactly outstanding in his deep roles. It will be an interesting factor to keep an eye on, but so far I'm not seeing a ton of effective plays against the pass from either safety.

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I realized how many long plays you were re-watching

and couldn’t keep reading because of a sudden, crushing depression…

As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.

by Cheddar28 on Sep 23, 2011 2:15 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Well...

this goes here…that goes there….then pop this guy right here…and bam! Picture done.
But no, to be honest, Beekers does a pretty good job of making us picture the picture using words.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 23, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

TB literally couldn't do a better job of writing clearly about football

All I meant was that I am unable to turn even the most descriptive writing about football plays into any kind of mental image. So when I read:

Seahawks are showing blitz, with Bigby right at the O-line but dropping back at the snap. Chancellor is on Heath Miller again, and Earl is single-high all the way back to the 5-yard line.

It’s just too much information for me to absorb and then synthesize into a brain picture. Basically I’m a dolt.

by jhmg16 on Sep 23, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have noticed screencapped-style stories seem to get more motion here

But it’s never been my thing. I think a still can deceive too easily rather than elucidate, in a game that is all about motion and momentum. I’d put in GIFs if I were any good at them, but I’m not.

I might want to put in at least a few screens tho. It’ll never been screen-intense like Danny does, but whatever helps communicate best.

Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've thought about more GIFs, too. But damn all this stuff is a lot of work.

Good thing we have an army of awesome, insightful passionate contributors.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Sep 23, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

GIFs are Huge

But really cool. They take some work to do, but the end result is always nice.

Live work and breathe like an optimist.

by JRock419 on Sep 23, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

the websites you go to make em are weird t hough

90% of the advertised gifs on sites like gifsoup.com are hardcore 30 secs of porn. It’s weird.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 23, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems to me that Lawyer really made an impact on ET

He has awesome instincts in defending the run but will have to become more and more efficient at recognizing patterns, watching the QB carefully, and reading passing plays on his own. This says growing pains to me.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 23, 2011 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

To me too

I’m not worried, just noting preliminary evidence shows he’s got some growing to do, which is not a surprise with a shortened off-season and a dearth of talent surrounding him. He’ll grow with time and hopefully with more ballers around him.

Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 23, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah you put up some good pieces

Interesting to note where he should be at given times and whatnot. Emphasizes that point, really.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 23, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

My sentiments exactly

He’s still trying to jump everything. Needs to be more patient but he’ll be a much more valuable asset to us if he’s kept in situations where he has the flexibility to jump whatever he sees.

by Ben Harbaugh on Sep 23, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's up closer to the line a lot more

But they also trust him 15-yard deeps. He’s the joker player, you can line him up anywhere.

Interesting to see more of Kam in man. You’d figure you’d seem some of Thomas in that role too on swift slot guys, but we haven’t so far.

Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 23, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, as you pointed out how surprising it is to see Chancellor playing well,

I think it may be somewhat lost on some of us how remarkable of a development it is. The coaches have treated it for a while as though he’s pretty certain to develop into a valuable starter. We had basically nothing to indicate that was going to be the case (not negative evidence, just a lack) but for how inexperienced he is, so far he’s doing much better than I anticipated.

And given his size he’s got surprising range.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Sep 23, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind that Lawyer was here last year and he enforced the short game, allowing ET to roam deep a lot more.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Sep 23, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

ET sometimes seems like is trying to do too much..

Once he recognizes the play he is on it and then it depends on how far behind he is. I think what I like the most about ET is his never give up personality which is very important.

He has some holes in his game at this stage however I also think opposing QBs pay attention to him now. I am very ecstatic about being a witness to his development.

Wow, I used the word “witness” in regards to a pro player. That turned out pretty awesome.

by goatweed on Sep 23, 2011 2:40 PM PDT reply actions  

If Browner were replaced the secondary could be top notch

Looks like our safety situation is locked up for a good many years with Chance and ET, and that is very reassuring. Really wish we’d have locked up Joseph through FA. Oh well, can’t ask for everything I guess.

by Tord F on Sep 23, 2011 3:07 PM PDT reply actions  

If Browner wasn't the CB on those deep balls to Wallace, the CB would still be on his own

And there aren’t a lot of CBs in the NFL who are going to win that matchup on their own. Better than Browner, perhaps, but win it? No.

Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 23, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the problem with Browner is that playing too aggressinve

You’re 6’4, and probably at least a couple of inches taller than the man you’re guarding against. You have size, height, everything – all you need to do is swat it down and don’t get beat.

"I know football doesn’t mean shit in the real world, but my life is small, petty and mean, and I live this tiny span, this sixty years of cognizant life if I’m lucky, pouring my time and energy and money into believing in the Seahawks. And right now, I see a logo, a decal, an identifying set of colors, that I suffer for the sake of someone else’s incompetence." - John Morgan

"His soul may belong to God, but his ass belongs to me." - Terrell Suggs, on sacking Ben Roethlisberger

by EequalsMc2 on Sep 23, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone keeping up with what PFW said about PCJS?

Man, did PC blow PFW out of the water. Called them ‘lazy’ and ‘weak’. Ouch.

Heresy grows from idleness.

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 23, 2011 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Is that the report that there is a lovers' quarrel between JS and PC?

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Sep 23, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the first play you have listed, the long Sanders catch and run, Chancellor was completely lost trying to tackle a much quicker receiver.

He got his ankles broken a couple times in that game. He wasn’t quite as bad as Browner but he let several plays go for longer gains than they should have. Yet another thing to be terrified of in the upcoming Eagles game.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 23, 2011 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

He is very tentative and doesn't look fluid when tracking a receiver, as you said

That makes him very scary in single-high, he’ll probably get beat every time.

Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 24, 2011 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there is a good way to get fans at the game to post vid clips

To help with some perspective on some of these plays that we can’t see on tv. I know if I still had season tickets and the new fangled phone I have I would want to contribute to help the fight. Seriously, are there no fans of Fieldgulls that have some extra views that can help the cause?

by brugg on Sep 23, 2011 7:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

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