The Official FieldGulls Fantasy Football Weekly Thread.
Week 3 Edition.
Here at Field Gulls we’ve had discussions on just about every aspect of football, including having discussions about when we can or should have discussions about Fantasy. Well, this IS the place. You can, if you must, add fantasy talk in additional game threads, but be warned, someone may be watching, and they may be mocking. Here, you have free rein to talk your team’s reign or your rain of injuries.
Something to note, and this should be a true football fan’s golden ticket when it comes to heaven and hell and the voiding of the warranty on your soul.
The first rule of Fantasy Football, you do NOT root for players against the Seahawks.
The second rule of Fantasy Football, you do NOT root for players against the Seahawks.
On this site, for sake of your own health, NEVER cheer against the Seahawks due to your fantasy roster. My personal rule is to avoid as much as possible acquiring division rivals, or to avoid playing them against the Seahawks if reasonably possible. Statements like, "Well, at least I have Larry Fitzgerald on my fantasy team" (if) he was scorching the Hawks will unleash the hounds of hell upon you. Please don’t be that one bastard playing the "Don’t Come" line at the craps table. Not only will you bring bad mojo to everybody, but you’ll likely get verbally harassed, if not banned. You’re a Seahawk fan, you aren’t "that guy" you are one of OUR guys—act like it!
Week 3 Thoughts.
Position Focus: TE.
Strangest line of the week: In my keeper league, Antonio Gates matched up against Vernon Davis. Never would I have predicted both would be healthy and yet combine for two receptions (both by
I would say it’s a judgment call right now, but I would try to pick him up cheap in trade if you can. San Fran’s offense can’t get much worse, and you have to anticipate his numbers improving. That being said, if you are his current owner, you’re really in a tough spot. I would start him this week. The Bungels gave up 6/58, 1TD to Jermaine Gresham in week 1, and while they do have some pass rush talent, you have to anticipate Harbaugh trying to focus on keeping his most talented player happy—at least this week.
Antonio Gates is another story altogether. He appears to have been healthy during the game, but
Waiver Wire Suggestion
Leave Jeff King where he belongs, on the waiver wire. Yes, he has 2 TD’s thus far. However, he’s done it on on a total of 5 targets. He’s completely feast or famine, and there’s no way he grabs a TD every week. Find yourself someone with more upside. Scott Chandler and Ed Dickson are both possibly available, and both get more targets and seem to be more significant cogs in more effective offenses. However, keep King on your watch list, as when Kolb ran the offense in Philly he used the since forgotten Brent Celek as a receiver far more than does the Mike Vick edition of the Philly offense.
Quarterback and Thoughts on the Top Tier.
The biggest news of the early NFL season performance at QB is not Cam Newton. While
Tier 1 last year added Mike Vick, but he’s been there before. Tier 1 never goes more than 8 guys. If it does, you re break it into a smaller 1st tier. But let’s take a step back. What is tier 1?
First, it’s not simply dependant on numbers. There is a trust factor here. It’s the guys you can depend on. The guys that are weekly "must start" players across fantasy leagues nationwide. The guys people simply do not give up on, who barring drunkenness or idiocy you never see on the waiver wire. The type of guy who nets you another tier 1 player at a different position in trade. Guys who you start anyway, even if they are facing a vaunted D like
Tom Brady has resumed the top spot, best of the best. His performance has been so amazing and consistent, it reminds me a little of when the NBA started giving Karl Malone and Charles Barkley MVP’s just so Michael didn’t win it every year, even though he should have.
Tier 1 (and player age)
- Tom Brady (34)
- Aaron Rodgers (27)
- Drew Brees (32)
- Phillip Rivers (29)
- Mike Vick (31)
- And now, welcome Mr. Matthew Stafford (23!).
Like Vick, in an NFL sense, health not performance has been the primary detriment (and story) to
In addition, Mike Vick looks like he could actually move down to the top of tier 2 very soon. This does not bode well for all the people who drafted him as the 1st QB taken, something I was not in favor of going into the season due to his injury-prone style of play and the difficult defenses found top to bottom in the NFC East. He’s down to a 64% start for week 3 at MyFantasyLeague.com. That’s realistically not a tier 1 number, but given his past performance and injury issues, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Peyton Manning of course is right in the mix when healthy, but I don’t believe I’m alone in wondering if he will ever set foot on the field again.
Most the other QB’s who are possible arguments for Tier 1 like Tony Romo (31), Matt Schaub (30) and even Big Ben (29) are all relatively seasoned. They also have significant warts that make them less attractive. (Big Ben’s being the type that are transferred sexually, and ideally, with consent.)
Matt Ryan (26) is the one other QB younger than Rodgers who could be argued to be knocking at the door. However, there is a different feeling with a Tier 1 guy than a "knocking at the door" guy. Hype aside, Ryan is still getting there.
And no, Cam Newton (22) and Josh Freeman (23) are just not there yet. Nor is Joe Flacco (26). I’m not sold that Freeman or Flacco will ever be there, and
Waiver Wire Suggestions All Positions.
Jordy Nelson is surprisingly still out there in a lot of leagues. Get him if you can.
Being that I spent four years in
If you’ve got QB blues, Ryan Fitzpatrick is still out there. The Bills look rejuvenated and he’s shown numerous solid games the past 2 years. While he will come back down to Earth, he’s still a decent spot start or injury fill in for a Romo or Vick owner.
Andy Dalton is… surprisingly decent thus far. Might be worth a roster slot in deeper leagues, or take a look at match ups, he might be a bye week starter.
Dexter McCluster and Thomas Jones. Someone’s gotta fill Jamaal Charles’ carries. Dexter is the home run swing, Thomas the more stable grab, but with less upside.
Bernard Scott is starting to get scooped up as Cedric Benson is about to serve out a multi-week suspension starting in week 4. My guess, if he performs well, he’ll keep the spot for good. Benson is mostly washed up and lacks burst. Bernard Scott is… well… younger.
One more note.
I have a golf tournament tomorrow and may not have computer access after so I may not be as quick or frequent to respond to questions this week. However, if possible I would like some feedback in addition to our usual commentary. Tell me what you like or don’t like, or would like to see or not see in the fantasy thread. Should I keep that intro weekly for the uninitiated like I have, or should I cut it down.
I’ve played around with a couple things thus far, but I would like to make you as readers happy. Do you like lists? Tiers? A weekly "educational piece?" Suggestions for waiver pick ups, or drafting, or building a long or short term team? Focus on a player or two like this week? There are a ton of great sites out there that do injuries, I’m not real big on simply listing who is and isn’t injured. Go do that yourself, they’re your players big guy! Let me know, and I’ll try to incorporate brilliant suggestions moving forward.
Thanks, everybody.
Good luck to you all this week in your fantasy leagues. Let the discussions begin!
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sydney
would you start sydney?
Diehard hometown Hawks fan
Duke Student...don't hold that against me
find me on twitter cward425
by 12tudentoftheGame on Sep 23, 2011 7:47 PM PDT reply actions
I wouldn't be starting him.
Tarvaris at quarterback, just back from injury, Tarvaris at quarterback.
But Arizona defense...no Cromartie...
"I know football doesn’t mean shit in the real world, but my life is small, petty and mean, and I live this tiny span, this sixty years of cognizant life if I’m lucky, pouring my time and energy and money into believing in the Seahawks. And right now, I see a logo, a decal, an identifying set of colors, that I suffer for the sake of someone else’s incompetence." - John Morgan
"His soul may belong to God, but his ass belongs to me." - Terrell Suggs, on sacking Ben Roethlisberger
I'm starting BMW
because it’s him or Crabtree, and fuck the 9ers.
BMW will get the hawks only touchdown this week
That's logical.
See the first two rules of fantasy football above.
Is there nobody available on the waiver wire to replace Crabtree with?
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Just say no to Seahawks players
except maybe Zach Miller if you’re desperate.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 23, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
do you get points for...
TE blocking in pass protection?
Diehard hometown Hawks fan
Duke Student...don't hold that against me
find me on twitter cward425
by 12tudentoftheGame on Sep 23, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Not even the multi million dollar man is fantasy relevent right now...
Week 1 = 1pt.
Week 2 = 1 pt.
Week 3 (projected) = you guessed it…1 pt.
Which is worth nothing. Steer clear my friend, you would literally do better with any player listed in the FA WR/RB/TE list. Sad but true for now.
Kam Chancellor is a really good IDP
And that’s it.
Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 24, 2011 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Great point.
I missed him by two picks in the 2nd to last round of my keeper draft. And then I didn’t draft KJ like I wanted because my co-GM wanted million dollar man Kamerion Wimbley from Oakland.
Also, my keeper league plays punters, and Ryan’s leading the league in average.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Unless you seriously have no better options, I would say it's best to wait and see on the entire Seahawk offense.
Right now we’re simply so bad our players are barely even fantasy bench fodder.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I shit you not...
Marshawn Lynch was picked number one overall in one of my office leagues.
Sad part of the whole thing was that we used Yahoo and the damn thing would not let anyone in right before the draft. So, if you got in early, you were good. I couldn’t get in and it auto picked a whole bunch of junk for me based on last year (Peyton).
1 RB spot (starter is Matt Forte), 10 yds per point, etc.
Ben Tate (NO & I have A. Johnson too), Benjarvusgreenellis (BUF), James Starks (daaaa bears), Tim Hightower (Dal), Deangelo Williams (don’t care, no way I’m starting him).
Also, which one of those do I try to swing a trade for a 3rd WR? Leaning towards keeping Starks and Law Firm and trying to trade Tate and Hightower.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 23, 2011 8:18 PM PDT reply actions
Wow.
This is incredibly hard to read.
I would start Ben Tate this week along with Andre. I expect a shootout, I also expect Foster to sit. Perhaps both Tate and Andre don’t score a TD, but both should be around 100 yards, and at least one of them will score at least 1 TD. Unless you think it’s going to be a low scoring affair I’d double start there as opposed to Lawfirm.
The most upside in the group is Tate. Let’s not forget before he got hurt last year, he was drafted to be the feature back in Houston, and he might just Wally Pipp Foster with Foster’s nagging hammy. What’s more, the Houston offense might just be good enough to allow two starting caliber RB’s to play in the same system, ala the better years of the NYG Jacobs/Bradshaw and Carolina (Williams/Stewart) combos.
If you are talking about max value, I would try to move Starks if I can or Tate if I had to… but I’d rather not trade Tate for a WR3 and I even question trading Starks for one. However, their passing attack is so strong, Green Bay doesn’t have to run the ball— I think this limits Starks overall value, whether he splits carries with Ryan Grant or not. The same goes for Lawfirm and NE. Houston’s good, but Kubiak has proven to be more committed to the run.
If you just want to move a guy, I’d start with Hightower and Deangelo, but Tate would be last.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I see that now.
Damn idiots who need sarcasm formatting.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Sep 25, 2011 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Whiskey Chainsaw - thank you for taking your time each week to do this
Much appreciated, and it’s a good read!
Thanks! I appreciate it.
I hate that I’ve read 3 errors since I posted, even though I proofread it twice.
Any suggestions?
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm 2-0 in FG League - Uncle Paul's Hobby
Despite less than 15 points over the two weeks from my RBs. Rivers is making a killing for me.
So I’ve gone to the trading block since all the starting RBs are literally gone.
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
The FieldGulls league really show you how valuable it is to know your scoring system going in.
Passing, and QB’s in particular rule the roost.
You’ve got one of the locked in Tier 1 guys in that league, you’re going to compete even with limited other talent surrounding him.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions
yes. Rodgers and Vincent Jackson are carrying my team.
David Floppin’ Akers is my 3rd highest scorer. I am 2-0
Did anyone else seem the Stafford mic'd up video vs the Cheifs?
in the huddle, “Ok Calvin, you just run past everybody”
I don't think the Bengals like Scott as a full-time back
They liked grinding out Benson because they had no investment in him anyway, and could just run him into the ground. If they’re replacing Benson, I’d expect a full RBBC.
2-0 in two leagues myself! Owning Brees/Rivers, and Maclin and Boldin in both leagues helps. It was funny to see some guys still focus on RBs in the draft. It’s a new age baby!
Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.
Who else will get touches though?
Who’s the 3rd in Cincy? I honestly don’t know.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Brian Leonard
Remember him, FB/RB from the Rams? He’s a lot bigger than Scott, so I’d expect him to get the 3rd/short/goalline carries.
Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 24, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's a nobody.
If he vultures the TD’s, that would hurt Scott, but otherwise I’d expect Soctt to perform well enough to play if you don’t have any other quality backs.
Side note— I HATE this whole “role” thing with regard to backs. “He’s the short yardage guy because he’s big.” What ever happened to the jump over the top for TD like “Sweetness” (Walter Payton for the younger crowd) or the shifty find a hole type guy like Warrick Dunn. It’s like coaches are so unoriginal they want to define guys by their size.
A couple seasons ago Steve Slayton got everything but the goal line/short yardage carries, which went to Chris Brown because he was bigger. Well, he also sucked. They would have been better off just going with Slayton. I just don’t get the mentality that just because a back is bigger, he should be the short yardage guy…
I’d rather put a big back in during a single back set with a nickel D. Now that would mess the D up— a play action draw in which the D is spread out and a single DB can’t bring down the back without giving a yard or two more.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's a fun one
Should I start Vick or Stafford in a standard yahoo league? Don’t ask me how I have both of them in a 10 team league, but I do.
Man, that's some great matchups
I’d probably go with Vick. He seems recovered and that Giants D is depleted and getting knocked around.
Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 24, 2011 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Stafford is the higher security guy tho
I mean it’s two injury-prone guys, but even the Falcons hit Vick a TON. The Giants are going to smack him up and down the field. Big risk.
Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 24, 2011 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
And right now Vick is listed as Questionable despite practicing. But both guys will get hit tomorrow. NYG and the Vikings both have strong pass rushes. Both QB’s have injury issues.
But more importantly, Stafford is playing the hot hand, and VIck isn’t quite on track yet. However, DeSean Jackson has been bullets against the Giants in the past, so there’s that.
Play who you feel more comfortable with, and don’t regret it later. Or flip a coin if you can’t decide. These are obviously two of the better starters in the league, regardless of lineup.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
OK so BMW or the Lion's FB/TE guy Scheffler?
I think both of them are going to get some good looks vs crappy teams.
I want to start BMW, but I can’t stand it at the same time.
Scheffler's got a pretty good matchup
Vikings aren’t very good against TEs. Both are risky though, BMW won’t get a ton of targets, even less with Rice on the field unless Tarvaris learns to exploit single coverage. But Scheffler doesn’t get a ton of look. He gets the redzone looks though, so there’s that.
Baseball isn't played because it's *interesting*. Baseball is played because without darkness we would not appreciate the light: without sorrow, we would not appreciate joy. Baseball makes us savour life and reminds us to treasure every second we have on this beautiful planet, because such moments may never come again. Baseball is played, my dear friend, because without it we would not appreciate the time we don't have to play baseball.
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 24, 2011 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Scheffler got 1 target for 1 catch and 1 TD in week 1.
And 4 targets, 1 catch, 1 TD in week 2, scoring late in a route.
I wouldn’t start him with those numbers alone…. however, Brandon Pettigrew is now questionable for week 3. If Pettigrew sits, I’d go Scheffler. Pettigrew plays, I’d probably lean to BMW and his 8 looks and 5 receptions thus far.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Vick not elite?
The guy has played 6 quarters or so and is still putting up over 200 yds & 2 TD’s per game and has the 16th most rushing yards (122) and another TD on the ground. Maybe with the weird QB scoring in the FG leagues he doesn’t have as much value (-4 per interception?) as someone who completes passes at a high rate and doesn’t get sacked but to me the guy is pretty remarkable.
The FG league is interesting to say the least. Not sure I understand the arbitrary nature of the scoring but it is what it is and with a little forethought you could see that QB’s and pass-catching RB’s would be at a premium. I think Brees will be the top point scorer at season’s end and I’m happy I was able to grab him. Too bad I ran into a squad with Austin and Maclin last week and for my team Gates was a no-show but these things happen.
I was really pleased to read about Benson’s suspension. In a couple of leagues I was having serious RB bye week issues for week 7 and grabbing Scott gives me a decent chance in those weeks.
In Kansas City I think LeRon McLain might be a sneaky pickup. Jones is old, slow and pretty much done. McCluster is a tiny change-of-pace back. I can actually see McLain being the guy to start seeing more carries due to Charles getting hurt. But that situation is a mess.
BTW – I’m having a hard time with the “no division rivals on your squad” meme. In Week 1 I had the 49’ers defense due to the Hawk matchup, realized I didn’t want to be “That guy” and subsequently dropped them and almost lost in Week 1 because of it. Not sure what the solution is to that problem…
I'm actually not in the FG league.
My keeper league he’s currently middle of the pack. Our scoring is 6 TD -3 INT/lost fumble, 1 for every 50 passing, and 1 for every 15 rushing.
57 Brees
49 Brady
49 Fitzpatrick
47 Stafford
42 Rodgers
39 Newton
35 Campbell
33 Henne
30 Kolb
30 Romo
26 Grossman
26 Vick
25 Dalton
25 Flacco
24 Hasseltoss
23 McCoy
23 Alex Smith
22 Cutler
22 Rivers
Obviously you can see Rivers is sitting down the list a ways too. I have no doubt there will be some leveling and cream rising to the top. Right now, however, Vick is not tearing it up in our scoring format.
In my yahoo league, Vick is 11th, Rivers 10th. So it isn’t just the FieldGulls oddball scoring that is holding him back. In fact, his only non-pedestrian number at this point is his rushing yardage. Even so, I do expect him to be either in the bottom of the Tier 1 or top of Tier 2 by week 7.
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a casualty of the no against seahawks thing too.
I got stuck with roethlisberger do to the yahoo draft window kicking me during the draft and deciding to autodraft. And i absolutely refused to start him against the seahawks. And instead picked up luke mccown(only starting qb left in my league) and got -14 points from him while ben scored a 33. I lost by 22….
what?
the negative 14 i got from mcown? or me benching ben?
too soon on Stafford
I nabbed Stafford in the 9th round of my draft, and started him last week to great effect. But putting him as a “stable” addition to the top 6 is premature. There’s a reason that Bill Simmons has named him Matt Stafford When He’s Healthy. That kind of nick-name doesn’t indicate the kind of reliability week to week that you need for the first tier. He had some great games last year, too, but he was still available for me in the 9th because of the health risk. That hasn’t changed after merely two quality starts. He needs to have a Schaub like run of healthy starts and production to be firmly in Tier One.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
I'm calling it early.
You have to be bold when you’re putting stuff out there, or you don’t have anything worth talking about…
I totally understand. But with the prevalence of keeper leagues and his monster numbers while healthy despite bad injury luck and a relatively short history so far, he also fits the bill for Tier 1.
Another idea Simmons espouses is the total rankings. How many guys in the league right now could be traded for Stafford heads up with Detroit feeling they got the better deal?
It’s a pretty short list. Rodgers, maybe his own teammate Suh if you’ve got a defensive hard-on. Who else though?
"How much blow can Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men." -Jon Lovitz
by Tyler Jorgensen on Sep 24, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay.
I respect you for calling it early…my point was simply that it’s, well…early. By all means, I look forward to him putting up All-Pro numbers this year and leading me to fantasy league victory. Then I’ll have to decide if I keep him next year or not (only keep 2 in my league, count as first/second round picks).
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Sep 24, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
My league
is a small league…
I have Rogers, Roddy White, Vincent Jackson, and a few others… my biggest swing has been on the defensive side of the ball… 1st week I started the wrong defense, and it cost me ~ 25 points… (22 vs -3)

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