Looking at K.J. Wright, Aaron Curry and Defensive Formations
I really miss Brian McIntyre's personnel reviews, where he would track offensive and defense formations and snap-counts for individual players. An invaluable tool, especially in certain cases. Like now, with 4th-round rookie K.J. Wright coming in to replace incumbent starter Aaron Curry. I won't have exact snap counts for you in his stead, but I did go back to take a closer look at the usage of our linebackers. Some key observations:
- K.J. Wright and Aaron Curry do not play strongside linebacker (Sam), Leroy Hill does. Aaron Curry has played Sam throughout his career with us, which is presumably why the media keeps reporting that is their position, but if you look at the tape you will see (as Dukeshire pointed out in the preseason) that Curry/Wright generally line up on the weakside (Will) spot.
I did note the defense shifting into over looks at times, which is a part of this as it changes the Sam's responsibilities, but I'll note our base look is still 4-3 Under (the shift can be most easily recognized by where Brandon Mebane lines up: normally the nose tackle lines up on the strongside A-Gap in Under and weakside A-Gap in Over). To make a historical comparison: the Bucs classified Derrick Brooks as the Will linebacker, but he would often play behind Warren Sapp to protect the gaps so the 3-tech could just shoot forward. When in under, that means Brooks is on the weakside, but when in over (and their Tampa-2 shifted to over a lot more than people believe), that makes Brooks the strongside linebacker. Similar confusion on designations is bound to follow shifting fronts with the Seahawks. - The nickel linebackers are now Matt McCoy in the middle (multiple times he was lined up at the 0-tech spot and would either rush or drop back, a very interesting look similar to one we've seen before in Phillips 3-4) and Leroy Hill as the outside linebacker (usually weakside), which was also Aaron Curry's job and which he apparently has also lost. K.J. Wright did not actually start, as we played the first snap (and many 1st & 10 snaps) in nickel formation. Matt McCoy also appears to be the linebacker in our 3-1-7 "Bandit" formation.
- Aaron Curry was in for only one drive replacing Wright, the third drive by the Cardinals which ended in a Larry Fitzgerald touchdown. He did not play a snap otherwise.
- The defense stayed in nickel formation for three drives, namely the last drive of the first half and the last two drives of the second half. In the second half Seattle switched to nickel formations quite a lot as we had little reason to respect the run, though Matt McCoy was no longer in, replaced by David Hawthorne (presumably due to injury). Walter Thurmond got the start and played a high number of snaps as the nickelback, and played well.
- K.J. Wright played about 35 snaps, which is half the defensive snaps. Aaron Curry picked up 7 in that single drive. Other snaps were played in nickel and other multi-DB formations.
How did K.J. Wright do? Well, first I'd like to point out one play that a lot of people seemingly missed...
K.J. Wright tipped the pass that Earl Thomas intercepted. This was primarily how K.J. Wright was used, he'd play a little contain or watching gaps, but often he'd drop back into under coverage, to use his tall frame and long arms to bat away passes when possible. Even when right on the line of scrimmage, Wright would usually drop back and cover the flats. The play above would have been quite memorable for the rookie had it not been called back, but it's hard to say otherwise how well he did in this role.
The problem with Wright's play lay mostly in his other tasks. It was a fresh reminder of how outstanding Aaron Curry's athleticism is. When asked to seal a gap or when chasing for a tackle, Wright looked much slower and weaker than Curry usually does. In the still above he engaged his blocker headon and was prevented from even getting a hand on the runner. This was the story of the game in runs and short passes. Wright would arrive late to uselessly jump on top of the pile or would run straight at and engage a blocker to then be walked out of the play.
Aaron Curry tallied more plays in his one drive than Wright did all game, beating his blocker to get a good tackle on a run over the middle, and getting good pressure on Kevin Kolb on the touchdown pass to Larry Fitzgerald. Of course, he mixed it up with a boneheaded mistake where he had under coverage on Fitzgerald and just completely lost him. The usual, for Curry. Curry's upside is still miles beyond that of Wright, but as a third-year player upside has become less relevant in evaluating him.
I'm not seeing an immediate upgrade in Wright but that's hardly surprising for a rookie fourth round pick. He reportedly has much better instincts, but they did not show up in this game. On the other hand, that kind of stuff can be hard to scout out in just one game, and we could see much more evidence of his instincts in future games. That said, I don't think he did anything to absolutely solidify his starting spot, and would hope Curry has a fair shot at regaining it this week, presuming he's not traded away. Of course, Curry has a lot of ground to make up following his bad performance against Pittsburgh.
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Nice to see analysis from the film
I keep hearing that Wright is showing great instincts and is assignment correct. Not sure if that is helping our defense much as it didn’t show up on the stat sheet. But I’m more concerned about Wright’s ability to play the pass than the run. Good run stuffing LBs are easy to find, good pass defense LBs not so much. If you look at player valuation, a SLB is a low value position. If Curry isn’t good at pass coverage doing WLB duties, he doesn’t have a great deal of value…not even 5 million a year.
If Wright can make our pass defense better, that will more than trump the loss of Curry on run defense. And as far as rushing the passer, Curry isn’t very good at it and doesn’t appear to be improving.
Who are some of the best pass defending LBs in the league?
by Dialectic on Sep 29, 2011 10:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Will Herring.
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Herring's really good, yeah
Usually the pass-plays come from 3-4 ILBs. London Fletcher has probably been the best for some years now. Derrick Johnson of the Chiefs is another good example. Brian Urlacher has also been really good, to name a 4-3 guy, or Barrett Ruud.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Best pass defense LBs the league
The Bears LBs are pretty good. Urlacher and Briggs.
James Harrison is good. Ok in coverage and superior pass rusher. Lamar Woodley is good.
Ray Lewis was good. But he’s slowing down.
Lofa Tatupu was good.
Clay Matthews is good. Can defend the pass in coverage and rush the passer.
Brian Cushing on roids is good.
You can probably find quite a few more that can defend the pass and average 4 to 5 or more passes defensed a year and can run with TEs and perform in zone coverage and/or can rush the passer.
A LBs ability to defend the pass is two fold: coverge and pass rush. Curry is superior at neither.
I've been taking a look this week; I wanted to get a handle on the gap assignments
ever since Mebane said in an interview he’ll be playing mostly 1-gap now at the 1-tech position. Against the Steelers it was harder to tell. Against the Cardinals more became apparent.
So since gap assignments also pertain to LB play, I’ve been watching Wright myself and was hoping to provide some notes by the end of the week. I think the Cardinals game suggests Wright/Curry playing weak and Hill playing strong more than is actually going on.
Three Cards factors: former TE and TE coach Whisenhunt made good use of the TE in Pittsburgh, and — not for lack of trying — hasn’t had good pass catching TEs to work with in Arizona. King & Heap signings this year figured to up the TE target count, week 2 tape at least showed a lot of looks toward King, and so we needed to make sure TE was covered. Factor two is the power running game that takes second seat to the passing game, uses motion, pulling & misdirection (the latter notably absent last week). I saw us both switch personnel to stay on strong/weak side on occasion, and allow Cards to switch their sides with no response. My guess is it was part of the game plan. Third factor is it was Wright’s first “start,” and he’d so far shown better run defense than coverage.
My best guess is damage mitigation. Curry’s TE coverage issues needed most rectifying and Hill — damned early in his career for his TE play — now is most capable on the team for that. Because of the total LB corp’s strengths & weaknesses, using Curry less at Sam made sense. In moving to Wright, at least for this game it made sense not to throw him fully into strong-side responsibilities, and there may be a gradual transition.
Or they may elect to keep it this way, Hill as Sam. But for now I don’t read it as an scheme-based intentional move that’s more or less permanent, but more a tactical response that suits the current situation.
Great explanation of how the shifts, instigated by offense or defense, can change side and what that means, using Tampa as an example. Perfect illustration. I hope to have more today or tomorrow. Although so far I don’t have much to say either way about Wright. Good catch on the tip, I missed that the 2nd time around even.
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by jacobstevens on Sep 29, 2011 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Also meant to say somewhere in all that
that Wright lined up at Sam, not as a result of motion, a couple times.
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by jacobstevens on Sep 29, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The whole Hill at Sam thing does go back into the preseason, and he appears to play the position well
I don’t think the designations apply to us perfectly, as designations rarely do, but if this is the plan going forward I’m fine with that. It has a lot to do with using more over looks and how that shifts the responsibility of the Sam on the tight end, or how much it directs running traffic at the Will (as in much less so than the Under did). I think the preference to Wright is largely influenced by his potential in coverage in the flats/under coverage, he certainly isn’t the run defender Curry is.
Danny should have more on this later, hopefully. The more thoughts the merrier, we certainly seem to be a different defense, and one in transition.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 29, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes I'm betting the recognized need to change occurred in offseason review,
combined with the result of Tatupu asking for release. Move Hawthorne over, then upgrade Sam while maintaining Wil.
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by jacobstevens on Sep 29, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Curry has a lot of ground to make up after his reckless tweeting too
You can never really get in the head of a player through the TV screen, but Curry has certainly underperformed and it doesn’t seem like his focus is where it should be right now.
Excellent analysis, this is good stuff. Interesting considering KJ and Curry were both "considered" strongside linebackers
I don’t have much time this week for comments or to add much to the discussion, but did I miss an article on Curry’s bad performance against Pittsburgh? What did he do so badly in that game?
We didn't write an article about it, no
I’m not counting the non-interception, that was just unfortunate, but he seemed to regress a bit from the preseason/W1when it came to playing assignment and gap-correct football. I don’t want to say too much on it without going back over the tape again, but I wouldn’t think it bad enough to warrant a benching, yet the FO did. Might be a case of wanting to get their guy in, I dunno.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 29, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Great job Mr.Beekers.
I think you hit it on the head with the coverage issues. likely in response to the missed pick in Pitt. I see the experiment leaving Curry starting and Wright in on passing downs. But Curry needs to find himself and get back to work.
Thanks for the great post.
Is it me… but didn’t Leroy Hill have his best year as the SAM in ’05… he has looked really good this year…
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Could someone explain...
…the different responsibilities of the weak-side LB vs. the strong-side LB? Do offenses tend to run towards one side more than the other? Is the strong-side LB responsible in some way for covering the TE?
Thanks!
That varies from scheme to scheme
In our 4-3 under last year, the running traffic is kind of directed by the formation towards the Will, who then comes in unblocked for the tackle, while part of the responsibility for the Sam is to seal the edge on the strongside or cover the TE. Sam can also pass-rush but we didn’t do that much.
In our current defense, it seems more like both OLBs will split out to cover the zone in the flats, thus providing coverage on TEs leaking out or under coverage on wide receivers. The Sam (Hill) also seems to be used to pass rush a lot more.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 29, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like Curry might be traded:
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we won't get much at all for him
seriously leaving kj to fill out when he hasn’t proved jack is concerning. i understand he can fill gaps and all that. but when i watched him, the dude doesn’t seem to have any power generating from his hips unless he is set and he seems to play tall and with that frame he will get pushed around. thanks for the entry thomas. can you do one for red and leroy.
i keep seeing red being pushed off or i could be wrong.
leroy seems to have some almost elite speed out in the field. like he just pops off screen, but then again it could be the angle of camera or something. leroy’s smash hit at the tail end of the game man that was some rediculous. i wonder if we can use him more to pass rush.
Don't really have the time to do writeups on Red or Leroy
Maybe later.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 30, 2011 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions
There's been talk of him potentially coming to the Packers
Would he fit better in a 3-4 than he does in a 4-3?
Better coverage skills than pass rushing skills? RBs & TEs have burned us for a lot of yards so far this season.
What round would he go for? 4th? 5th? 6th?
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I think he'd fit better as a 3-4 ILB
These physical types with less instincts often do, just shoot gaps and overpower. He can do that, but he’d have to come out in passing downs.
Conditional 5th would be the highest I’d guesstimate, but probably less.
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by Thomas Beekers on Sep 30, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, he would be an ILB in a 3-4?
Then I guess I wouldn’t be all that interested in acquiring him, then. I’m okay with our ILB depth. I was hoping he could be used in the OLB rotation at worst (maybe a bookend to take blocking away from Clay).
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Well, perhaps some FO will see an OLB in him
But he’s never been good rushing the passer from the edge. Inside, yeah, but the edge, no.
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by Thomas Beekers on Oct 1, 2011 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions
After sleeping on it...
…I guess I wouldn’t mind getting him. We could try him at OLB opposite Matthews, and if he doesn’t work out there, then he can take over the departed ILB role of Chillar, who subbed in on nickel packages. Going into the season, I was a little worried about our depth at ILB behind the starters; the primary back-up is a 6th round rookie. After all the hype he got (“safest player in the draft”, etc.), it would be worth a flyer on a 5th or 6th rounder, if only for injury insurance. Of course, if he would take Nick Collins’ roster spot as I assume (he’s reportedly done for the year with his neck injury, but not placed on IR yet) that would mean we’d have 11 LBs (20.8% of the roster!). Should go nicely with our 5 TEs, I guess.
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I very much trust this coaching staff's opinion on LBs
If they think they can do better than Curry, then I’m pretty sure they can. Carroll and Ken Norton Jr definitely know LB talent. So even if Wright doesn’t prove to be our next starting LB, I’m sure they’ll get someone very good in the future. You don’t put as many quality LBs in the league as USC did without knowing how to recruit, develop, and use LB talent.

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