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First Crack at the Seahawks 2012 NFL Draft

My wife focuses on what is actual. I focus on what is possible. Over the years I have to come value her focus more than my own. Still, my brain naturally looks toward a better future. Especially when my personal fan goal is for my NFL team, the Seahawks, to win a Super Bowl.

Of course, things could change over the course of the 2011 season. But here goes. The 2012 Seahawks Draft.

ROUND 1
Quarterback.

No real explanation needed. I will spend some DVR time this year watching Matt Barkley, Landry Jones, Ryan Tannehil, Ryan Lindley, Austin Davis and Kirk Cousins. Some of these quarterbacks will probably fall off the map to some degree. There will likely be a quarterback that jumps up out of nowhere.

I lean towards the idea that Matt Barkley and the one to remain nameless are head and shoulders above the rest. I also tend to think the one that shall remain nameless has a lot of ground on Barkley. I think they will both be fine NFL quarterbacks. Matt Barkley may stay in school per our USC man on the ground- Scott Enyeart. That would be too bad. If the Seahawks do draft late in Round 1- I would support trading the entire house to move up if the front office feels the necessary quality is only at the top of the round.

ROUND 2
Edge pass rusher. Leo. Defensive End.

Raheem Brock is on the wrong side of 30. Chris Clemons will soon be on the wrong side of 30. I don't think the team is going to hang their long term hat on Dexter Davis or Jimmy Wilkerson. I looked at the last five Super Bowl winning teams, the Colts, Giants, Steelers, Saints, and Packers, and four out of five of those teams had Elite quarterbacks.

No, Eli is not an Elite. He is a Franchise quarterback- but not elite. He is a good quarterback, but I am not here to talk about Eli. Five out of those five teams had at least one dangerous edge rusher. Colts with Freeney and Mathis. Giants with Strahan, Osi and Justin Tuck. Steelers with Harrison and Woodley. Saints had Will Smith. Green Bay had Clay Matthews III.

Red Bryant is a base-defense only type player. He really should be on the field for only about 30-40 snaps. In high leverage passing situations we need heat off both edges. I do believe that pressuring the quarterback with four down lineman will drastically help the secondary. Of course, someday, I want us to have a shutdown cornerback, but I do think an edge pressure player is more important at this stage of our build.

ROUND 3
Interior pass rusher. Backup-rotational Three-Tech.

It would be really awesome if this Clinton McDonald trade is the answer here. Maybe it is. Something inside me tells me that it isn't. What the trade does tell me is that the Seahawks know they need something here. They have several massive two-gap style defensive end/tackle types- Alan Branch, Red Bryant - and to a certain degree- Brandon Mebane. What they don't have is a true inside pass rusher. They hoped Jay Alford would show something. Cut him. They hoped Balmer could do something. Cut him. Ryan Sims? Nope.

This defensive tackle does not need to be 325-340 pounds. He should probably be around 290-305 pounds. I think this is a reasonable round to pick up this type of player because the truly elite- "Do everything well" type player will be snatched up on Rounds 1 or 2. This guy can be undersized and deficient against the run. This is the kind of guy that plays perhaps 20-30 snaps per game- who can collapse the pocket, create pressure, force some double teams and get a few sacks from the interior. If they were decent against the occasional run that would be a bonus.

Darkhorse- perhaps a Pete Carroll type Cornerback drops down to round 3. This guy would likely be above 6 feet tall and perhaps he has round 1 or round 2 type talent but fell for some reason. Perhaps it is an injury like a blown out knee or character flaw.

Darkhorse 2- swing tackle- more on this...

Star-divide

ROUND 4
Swing Tackle.

We have invested our top two picks in 2010 and 2011 on our "bookend" Tackles. We need some insurance on those players. Okung, because of some concerning injuries. Carpenter, because he may not be ready to play at the NFL level yet. Or perhaps after one or two years a coach decides it is best that he move inside.

It's too early to give up on him Davis! Well yeah. I am not saying give up on him. Just saying it is not ludicrous to think that he may be better suited to play inside. I hope he pans out outside. Shawn Zobel wrote a favorable write-up on James Carpenter in his 2011 Draft Guide. He was high on Carpenter. He did say this:

"Because he doesn't have the elite height or foot quickness you look for in a left tackle, James' best fit in the NFL will likely come either at right tackle or inside at guard."

Now, if you get to Round 4 and there is no one here better than a Tyler Polumbus- then you stick with Tyler Polumbus or whoever is filling that Tyler Polumbus role. Best case scenario is you end up landing a Doug Free. He was a 4th round pick who now starts in the NFL.

Darkhorse- SAM Linebacker. Good chance Aaron Curry's last year in Seattle is 2011. KJ Wright has moved inside. May find an intriguing 4-3 outside linebacker here.

LATE ROUNDS
Running Back.

We may not have a 5th or a 7th round pick in 2012. We may only have a 6th. I can see us choosing one or the other when picking up Marshawn Lynch or Justin Forsett. They are both free agents in 2012. It is likely Lynch- with his image is displayed on the CLink Parking Garage alongside Earl Thomas.

I think both running backs can be replaced, but I can see them just replacing one. I would probably lean towards Lynch because Leon's contract eats into Forsett's carries a bit more I imagine. If I were drafting- I think I would go for a middle-sized back. Not 200-205 lbs. Not 220-230 lbs. Maybe 215 lbs. Someone who isn't a power back- but has a little more mass than Forsett at the line of scrimmage.

At this point- it really all depends on what you are able to do in free agency with your players and players from other teams. In late rounds it really should be a truly best player available unless you are absolutely loaded at the position.

NOTE: This article was written on Friday, before roster cutdown, and predictably, the Seahawks went out and got a swing tackle and a couple interior pass-rush guys in Jarriel King, Landon Cohen, and (to a lesser extent) Al Woods. Not saying these guys are the answer, but those are the needs.

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I think it REEEEEALLY depends on how TJ/CJ do this year.

If they do poorly, I do think the team around the new QB would be strong enough that a rookie could start without destroying his will to live.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 6, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

For now...

You never know what wheeling and dealing might happen to eat up a draft choice or two.

by BennyGStein on Sep 6, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's still early in the season

There’s plenty of time for us to trade our 3rd rounder to the Patriots for some five-time Pro Bowler with a hidden drug problem they want to shuffle off before it becomes public.

by Clendy on Sep 6, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously not the right post for this

But we don’t have a free agency thread open. Anywho, I just saw that David Garrard is going to be released.I don’t want to high jack this, so could one of the powers that be start a free agency thread?

by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow

When reading some of the posts on what the Seahawks want in a QB, David Garrard came to mind as a PG type QB. I wonder if the Seahawks will have any interest.

by creid on Sep 6, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

David, I completely agree with your sentiment on "trading the house"

If we need to trade away the entire draft to get into the top 3 to get a top-tier QB talent, then so be it. We simply cannot go another year without a QBOTF.

The only thought I have about the QBOTF is how big Carroll's smile would be if he snatched Andrew Luck away from Jim Harbaugh.
Follow the llama tail

by Wayward Llama on Sep 6, 2011 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I predict it is going to cost a *lot* to get a top 3 pick the way the new draft rules are set up.

Then again, lower picks are going to be worth more as well since they, too, represent players who are going to be automatically cheap for the next 3 years. I don’t think there’s going to be any way to up trade value by including actual players though.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 6, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It won't cost the Seahawks very much.

Because there’s a pretty high chance that they are a very bad team.

by djafrot on Sep 6, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is my point, though.

Even if the Hawks are really bad, it’s going to cost more now than it used to because the disparity between the player’s actual worth and his salary will be a lot greater. I’m cool with getting behind the idea that you need to trade a lot to get a QB, just expect that the cost will be high.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 6, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

But at the same time, there’s a reason for that (potential) high cost: the risk of taking a player that high has been reduced drastically because said player will cost a lot less.

My initial point was a little sarcastic, in that I think the Seahawks could very well have a bottom three record. Add to that that a whole lot of bad teams have already found their QB of the future, and I think Seattle’s chances of landing a very, very good quarterback in 2012 are excellent.

by djafrot on Sep 6, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

But would any team make that trade?

With a rookie salary cap, a team can draft He Who Shall Not Be Named at nearly half the price of a Sam Bradford. Early first round draft picks are now more valuable than gold.

To draft Ryan Leaf, the Chargers swapped first round picks with the Cardinals, then gave up another first rounder and a second rounder. To move up one space! If we finish anywhere close to league average, we’re going to have to put together a deal that makes the Herschel Walker trade look sane and sensible.

by Clendy on Sep 6, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's Davis, not David.

Futurely known as BundyBundyBear (Aussie homer)

by RagingAlot on Sep 6, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry?

The only thought I have about the QBOTF is how big Carroll's smile would be if he snatched Andrew Luck away from Jim Harbaugh.
Follow the llama tail

by Wayward Llama on Sep 6, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who needs Lynch

When we can just sign Peterson in free agency?

GET OFF ME!!!

by Cannonater on Sep 6, 2011 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Pretty long list of potential QBs by Davis

But I think there’s more than The QB Who Shall Remain Nameless missing. Kellen Moore is a pretty baddass QB, and he isn’t just beating up on the little kids anymore. I know he’s only 6’ , but so is Drew Brees. The kid has ice in his veins, loves the big moment, has a big arm, and seems like a very smart player. Don’t know about his mobility, but why wouldn’t Moore be on a short list for 2012?

It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.

by mister bunny on Sep 6, 2011 2:58 PM PDT reply actions  

His arm strength is a huge negative.

It’s unlikely he has the physical ability to make a quality NFL starter.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 6, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Why is it that Kellen’s arm strength is questioned, but for those with big arms, their heads are never questioned?

Kellen Moore will be a great NFL QB should any team give him a legitimate shot. Why not Seattle?

by PascoJoe on Sep 6, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's the most accurate QB in College football and has good arm strength.

I’m curious to see beyond being “short” what the knock on his physical ability is? I played against both him and Jake Heaps (who I’m sure will be lauded as an NFL ready QB) in HS and can tell you Kellen was by far the superior QB. His football IQ is off the charts and has played in more high leverage games than almost anyone in the FBS.

by The Cheese on Sep 6, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

His arm strength is very poor.

It’s worse than guys like Clausen and Ponder.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 6, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

And what happens to his accuracy when he's pressured?

He plays behind a good to great offensive line against generally (generally(generally means in general but not always (and come on he generally does))) poor competition. When he’s forced to move and can’t set his feet will he have a surplus of arm strength and accuracy to draw from?

Moore looks like a mid round prospect at the very best right now.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 6, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also, short

He’d probably need stilts to see over the top of a Tom Cable OL.

And now that we’ve made fun of him, karma will ensure that we end up drafting him.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 6, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see little to no future for Kellen Moore in the NFL

but he’s kind of like Locker in that I don’t feel great betting against him. If he fails it’s not going to be for lack of trying, that’s for sure.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 6, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have literally seen every game he's played in college and I'm not seeing the arm strength thing.

I’m not suggesting he’s a 1st or even 2nd rounder I’m just saying he could start in the NFL. I would argue that BSU had played a tougher schedule over the last 5 years than UW yet Locker wasn’t knocked for his teams lack of a strong schedule. I’ll fully admit that I’m going homer on this one (being a BSU alum and having played against him in HS) but I also have seen him more than most people around here. I know his 5 11 frame is going drop him off of most draft boards but I could see him being a sleeper to take in the 4th to 7th round range.

by The Cheese on Sep 6, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just have to completely disagree with this.

The Pac-10 (now 12) is vastly more competitive than the WAC and the mountain west div. Boise State may play a few games a season that are highly ranked teams but overall the WAC hasnt been very tough, and neither has the mountain west division. now i could be wrong, but i’m pretty sure Washington’s strength of schedule has been near the top if not the toughest schedule for the past couple of years? i think in 2007 or 08 it was the toughest schedule

by Stagerman on Sep 6, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

These are good questions.

And even better use of parenthetical comments. But surely the plan is for our line to develop into something that can provide consistent protection in the future…that’s why they’re all young, right?

Given that, it seems like a player that smart, fearless, accurate, and successful (regardless of how mediocre his competition generally is (and he hasn’t shrunk from top notch defensive pressure either (just like I will not shrink from besting your parenthesis count (if I counted correctly)))) is worth a look in my book.

It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.

by mister bunny on Sep 6, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He Who Shall Not Be Named

I know you’re not supposed to say the name, but… you’re talking about Kellen Moore, right?

by PascoJoe on Sep 6, 2011 3:02 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Andrew Luck

To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.

by bluemax on Sep 6, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh, yeah. But there's an implied sarcasm font on PascoJoe's comment.

See the above conversation.

It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.

by mister bunny on Sep 6, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

did you mean

that's kind of confusing?

It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.

by mister bunny on Sep 6, 2011 7:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I like the potential edge-rusher depth that could be available in the draft

I’m bad with names but there are some intriguing draft eligible guys at

NC,S Carolina, Florida State, Marshall, West Virginia, Pitt, Bama, Northwestern

by puerto on Sep 6, 2011 10:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the Seahawks should draft someone from Marshall.

That movie about them was pretty cool and their nickname is “The Thundering Herd”. There’s probably a good edge rusher available there.

"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)

by Johnny Slick on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

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