Seahawks News & Rumors: Tuesday Afternoon Open Thread
by Danny Kelly on Sep 6, 2011 2:28 PM PDT
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PrintNot a whole lot happening today but there are a few noteworthy items to discuss.
-- The Jacksonville Jaguars released veteran quarterback David Garrard today and naturally people started making the Seahawks connection. As pointed out on Twitter, Seahawks Quarterbacks Coach Carl Smith has a history with Garrard from his days as an Offensive Coordinator in Jacksonville. This connection is relevant because we've seen Pete Carroll lean on his position coaches for personnel advice.
Examples: Darrell Bevell no doubt figured heavily in the decision to bring in Tarvaris Jackson. Todd Wash, the defensive line coach, has had his hand in on some acquisitions this offseason, including Ryan Sims (now gone) and a few former Buccaneers from Wash's days in Tampa Bay (names are escaping me at the moment). Tom Cable most likely championed guys like Robert Gallery, Zach Miller, and Paul McQuistan. Though I doubt the Seahawks will show interest in Garrard, it's the main scuttlebutt going on today.
-- In other news, the Seahawks were off today. ESPN released their initial power rankings, and the composite ranking for Seattle is 25th. Mike Sando had them 25th, and John Clayton is a little less optimistic for them, ranking the Seahawks 28th. I'd say 25th is probably around where I'd put them too at this point. How bout you?
-- Danny O'Neil hosted a live chat today and addressed the rumors going around that James Carpenter will be moved to left guard. O'Neil: "No, I don't believe James Carpenter is going to start at left guard. While he did work -- for a little while -- with the first-unit offensive line as left guard on Monday, that was very limited. Pete Carroll said afterward that it was to prepare to be flexible. After all, if Gallery isn't able to play and Paul McQuistan starts, who's going to come in at guard should either McQuistan or Moffitt go down in the game(?)
Lemuel Jeanpierre is the other interior lineman on the roster. Tyler Polumbus played some guard toward the end of last season. Carpenter could be a consideration there. But no, I don't see the team suddenly moving Carpenter to the other side of the line and a different position unless necessity dictates."
-- Also, per Danny O'Neil's chat, he confirmed that Russell Okung and Marshawn Lynch will be ready to play on Sunday. Holla.
Also, regarding Pep Levingston: Danny also indicated that the "Seahawks had indicated a desire to keep him, however, they have added Paul Fanaika, offensive guard, to the practice squad according to Fanaika's agent. That addition could reflect a need for more depth on the interior offensive line."
-- Finally, inconsequentially: WR Ruvell Martin, who finished last season with the Seahawks, was cut by the Buffalo Bills today. Former 49er QB and Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith signed with the Omaha Nighthawks of the UFL. Both per Aaron Wilson.
What else is going on out there? Discuss.
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I'm not sure why we would bring in Garrard.
The FO has already committed to Tarvarious as the starter. We’d have to either dump Whitehurst, (who at least has some knowledge of the system if he has to play) or Portis (who, as UDFA projects go, looks pretty promising). What is Garrard going to do, come here and ride the pine as a backup, and then ride the pine some more next year when we draft a QBOTF?
The only thought I have about the QBOTF is how big Carroll's smile would be if he snatched Andrew Luck away from Jim Harbaugh.
Follow the llama tail
He would never make it.
The only thought I have about the QBOTF is how big Carroll's smile would be if he snatched Andrew Luck away from Jim Harbaugh.
Follow the llama tail
by Wayward Llama on Sep 6, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
But people have their eyes on the cuts and waiver wire. Some team may pick him up for a pittance if we release him simply because of his potential.
The only thought I have about the QBOTF is how big Carroll's smile would be if he snatched Andrew Luck away from Jim Harbaugh.
Follow the llama tail
by Wayward Llama on Sep 6, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Raises my blood pressure just thinking about it.
*Naw, we’re good. We have Craig Terrill."
The only thought I have about the QBOTF is how big Carroll's smile would be if he snatched Andrew Luck away from Jim Harbaugh.
Follow the llama tail
by Wayward Llama on Sep 6, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He's in Tampa, along with Okam
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are counting heavily on Frank Okam and Michael Bennett, 25-year-old linemen who were cast off by other teams.
Both are former Seahawks. Via AJC.
Put the team on my back!
@bRoundy
Bennett was a casualty of Ruskell's cuts, and Okam was cut by Carroll I believe.
I wouldn’t mind having both back right now.
I would have no problem with signing Garrard, cutting Tarvaris BUT making Whitehurst the Week 1 starter.
I have little faith that TJax is going to last as the starter, and CW will take over soon or later….at the very least Garrard would make for a more dependable backup QB. Jackson might know Bevell’s offense, but the team cannot be confident in him after how skittish he has looked for most of the preseason. Bringing Garrard in is the smart move to make.
There's no way that happens
Not after all the faith we have shown in T-Jax, both the coaches (naming him the starter early on) and players (naming him the captain).
Put the team on my back!
@bRoundy
I wouldn't blame them if they didn't sign Garrard.
Just that the Seahawks would be better off if they do, and realize (sooner rather than later) that TJax has little likelihood of succeeding here. He’s a freaking lottery ticket, and the chances of any kind of payout are slim to none.
Garrard >>>>> TJax
Football Outsiders' DVOA Predictions
Has the Seahawks dead last in the league at 32nd. By a healthy margin.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2011/2011-dvoa-projections
This is not unreasonable. The Seahawks are in the process of cutting dead weight and finding young talent. This team is going to suck this year, and there’s a decent chance we end up with the #1 draft pick in football.
They also seem to think that SF will win the division.
The only thought I have about the QBOTF is how big Carroll's smile would be if he snatched Andrew Luck away from Jim Harbaugh.
Follow the llama tail
by Wayward Llama on Sep 6, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Their model does, yes
They also note that their model doesn’t cover everything, and keep an eye on what it doesn’t.
In this case, I share the model’s skepticism about the Seahawks. This is a team that’s coming off a bad year, with low draft picks, that’s been trying to get younger. Those are all things that add up to a team that’s likely to get beat up.
And I think the 49ers have a talented enough team to take this division. They’ve got as good a case as any non-Seahawk team.
Do you not realize that "the 49ers are talented enough to win the division" sentiment is repeated every year?
It still hasn’t materialized any recent playoff berths for them now has it? Have they significantly improved their roster from last year? Not really.
by StealthHawk on Sep 6, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Football contains a lot of inherent variance
“A chance to” does not equal “solid-gold lock.” It’s true they’ve had a chance to win the division for the last few years. Heck, they were still in the running until week 16 of last year. There’s talent on that team. Now that the Niners have competent coaching to assess and plan for their talent, they’re in a pretty good short-term spot.
As were the Rams...and the Seahawks...what's your point? It doesn't change the fact that the 49ers are picked to win the division every year despite the improvements that the rest of the division has been making.
As Wayward Llama said, I see them as more of a complete team at the moment. Like the 49ers, they have a solid defense but unlike the 49ers they have a good starting QB. The Niners have an advantage in playmakers on offense but Alex Smith has struggled to lead that team.
Also, competent coaching? Really? Please don’t tell me you’re simply basing this off the Harbaugh pedigree because we have ZERO clue whether or not this college coach will make a seamless transition to the NFL as his brother did in Baltimore. Niners fans thought Nolan and Singletary were the next John Walsh before all was said and done.
The 49ers do NOT have a solid defense anymore.
They just spent this past offseason getting rid of everyone not named Patrick Willis, and it’s not like they have a defensive-minded head coach anymore, either. Maybe getting ri9d of Taylor Mays was addition via subtraction, but while Nate Clements was not worth in excess of $10 million a season, he’s probably better than whoever the hell the got a corner now.
Maybe I’m undervaluing the pickup of the great Donte Whitner, and maybe this no-name-except-Willis defense might still be good….but I doubt it.
Yeah how come Harbaugh gets none of the "college coaches don't transition to the NFL" flack?
Because he played in the league? Singletary played in the league too.
by Fumanchuchu on Sep 6, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Soon, all the Harbaugh's will be NFL coaches, that NFL coaching shit just grows in the family
I mean, Jim Mora Jr.
Calling Jim Mora Jr. an NFL head coach is a bit of a stretch.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Did you mean Bill Walsh?
I’ve never head of John Walsh coaching football for the ‘niners. John Walsh is the name of the Guy who used to host "America’s Most Wanted".
I'm really tired of hearing it every year.
Yet we still do. Every. Single. Year.
Put the team on my back!
@bRoundy
Oh yeah, I have no illusions about how bad we're going to be this year.
But I’m really tired of seeing people picking the Niners to take the division. The Cards made some moves in the offseason, the Rams have been improving yearly andboth are much more complete teams than SF right now.
The only thought I have about the QBOTF is how big Carroll's smile would be if he snatched Andrew Luck away from Jim Harbaugh.
Follow the llama tail
by Wayward Llama on Sep 6, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I would expect the Niners to finish last this year not 1st.
And any projection which has us finishing worse then the Bungals us seriously flawed.
by The Great Googly on Sep 6, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Butler?
Pats cut Darius Butler today. A former high draft pick who is really athletic seems like a guy the Seahawks might like, though he is 5’10" so not exactly a big CB.
What are the chances the Seahawks look at a guy like Butler or someone else to bolster the secondary? Or are we set with Browner/Thurmond?
Put the team on my back!
@bRoundy
if someone goes down, in my opinion
then yes. Otherwise I think we’re sticking to the big guys who can take on big WRs and TEs.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Sep 6, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Seattle is in the 23-26 range
But that will change once we beat the CRAP out of Pittburgers! Ok, I dream. Given the schedule it’s a very real possibility to lose a lot of games.
SF won’t win the division, it’s probably StL and AZ fighting for it with SF and Sea fighting for the bottom.
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 2:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
oh and there won't be an NFCWest wild card team
Just an FYI
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 2:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We could go 1-15 this year,
but if that one win is against Pittsburgh, then it’s a successful season in my book.
it will be 2-16
They’ll give us an extra win when its 78-10 in Pittsburgh.
78 because on the final (11th) td by Marshawn as time expires we go for two.
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 4:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
David was not available when the commitment to TJ was made.
Now I can understand not wanting to give up a draft pick, and shell out almost 9million dollars for him. But him actually getting cut could not have been foreseen. Garrard is a clear upgrade over any QB we have right now. He is capable of playing up to the level of Hasselbeck, and he is younger. He could be the perfect fit for the transition over to a rookie QB. Not only does he make decent decisions with the ball, he is mobile, which would help him a great deal in this offence and especially behind this line. He would be surrounded by far better talent then he has ever had in his career. I really hope we at least take a look at him. If not I cant really see us winning more then 5 games this year.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 2:43 PM PDT reply actions
To be honest
I haven’t followed closely the QB position in Jacksonville. It seemed not too long ago that Garrard was supposed to be the guy there forever and ever. What happened? Did he just fall off that quick? Is he a headcase like Young? Does he have the yips? Did he sleep with the owner’s wife? Injuries?
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 2:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
From a very casual observers standpoint
He sort of fizzled out like Hasselbeck or Palmer. Inferior talent around him, and he became a scapegoat. I mean come on there best WR was Mike-Sims Walker, and even he left. Despite this lack of talent he managed to gain over 2700 yards passing with 25 td’s and 15 int’s. He also had 5 rushing td’s. I don’t think he could possibly do worse then that here even if he misses a few games playing catch up. That is certainly better then what I am expecting out of the QB position at this point.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fizzling out or no, he's been in another world of ability compared to Hasselbeck over the last 3 years.
Like, a yard better AYPA different world. That’s like Whitley in a world of Dwayne Wayne.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
I don't want to be all cliche about this
But what it all boils down to is do we go for a top 3 pick next yea,r so we can grab Luck or Barkley, and stay with who we currently have, or do we decide to go with a David Garrard or Carson Palmer for the next two or three years while we let someone less polished like Landry Jones develop. I honestly don’t know what direction we plan on doing. With Garrard I don’t doubt we would win the division. But is it worth it?
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Garrard is a perfectly serviceable, above average QB.
Luck/Landry Jones/Barkley may or may not be in time and certainly will not in a year. Even taking away the point that “going for a top 3 pick” is a terrible, terrible idea, Garrard is the bird in the hand that’s worth 2 in the bush.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Known vs unknown debate
There’s been lots of sure things and NFL ready guys out of college. Curry? Garrard makes the team better after the bye week (5 I believe). PC won’t tank, the players won’t either because as we all know another year isn’t always guaranteed for any player.
I say the Hawks should (and probably will) take a long look and make whatever decision they think will help the team in the near/distant future regardless what they told Tarvaris or even Chuck.
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 4:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Home games will always be sold out
But if the team is suckin it up on purpose, the fans (casual ones anyway, none of us) will stop caring/paying attention. We don’t care about those fans, but Paul Allen’s wallet does. I doubt he wants to tank.
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 4:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
People think I was talking about mailing it in
I wasn’t. Players would never do anything like that. What I meant was that the coaches have to assume they could win more games with Garrard under center then with TJ. But are those extra games they could win worth losing a shot at one of the top tier QB’s? And I didn’t say I had an answer either. I think Garrard has similar talent to Carson Palmer. Even on terrible teams they were able to get above average results. Garrard had an even worse offense then Palmer did, and he had similar numbers. TJ on the other hand was on a real contender, and was completely unable to get anything done.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
This conversation is beginning to range far afield...
…but I don’t even know if that’s necessarily the case. I’d love to see Seattle bring in Garrard but the whole point of getting TJ is that he knows the offense. Garrard doesn’t, and while he would surely learn it in much less time than it takes for TJ to lose the happy feet, there would still be either that MASSIVE growing time or else the team going way out on a limb with Whitehurst or TJ looking over his shoulder all season long.
I hate to say it, but it’s not going to happen.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
I know its not
But I’m just as mad about it as I would be if Palmer became available and we didn’t go after him. Not only that he wont cost us a draft pick. There is merit for both courses of action, I’m just dreading a potential 3 win season.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's a good point as well.
Few remember this anymore, but the Seahawks had a record where they sold out every single game from 1976 with the exception of a game in 1983 (still don’t know the whys of that) and the strike games in ‘87. That streak came to an end in 1992, the year the team finished 2-14 and had one of the worst offenses of all time. It took them years to get the fanbase back to what it was before (it didn’t help when Ken Behring tried to move the team to Oakland).
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Putting the ball in the hands of TJ/CW is, I think, the closest a PC-led team can reasonably get to tanking without tanking.
It’s a calculated risk which could pay off well and could end badly enough that the team gets a top 5 pick in the draft next year.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
I am almost 100% certain that Pete Carroll is not making any personnel decisions based on getting a high draft choice in the 2012.
If he had to choose between a playoff berth this season with an uncertain (at best) QB situation going forward or else going 3-13 and being guaranteed to draft Luck or Barkley, he’ll take option #1. He certainly has a plan in place that takes the future into account (which explains why we only gave long-term contracts to young players), but he won’t make a move/not make a move just to secure a better draft pick.
That’s a silver lining for US, not him.
David Garrard is extremely under-rated in m y opinion
He’s a scapegoat if there ever was one. Seems like he has always had terrible receivers around him and an offensive line designed for only running the ball.
Okung - Gallery - Unger - Moffit - Carpenter
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Sep 6, 2011 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
Is the Jacksonville offensive scheme similar enough?
I view Garrard as a slightly more talented and much more experienced Tjax but the main problem I see with bringing him in is he would need to be familiarized with our system before we could really plug him into the driver seat.
From what I’ve read Jacksonville is a power rushing team designed around clock management and a low risk play-action passing game.
Isnt that pretty damned similar to what Bevell wants to do?
by The Great Googly on Sep 6, 2011 3:09 PM PDT reply actions
Garrard is a terrible idea.
He lost the job this preseason on his own, nobody took it from him. He wasn’t voted captain and there are rumors he lost the locker room. He is pudgy and mediocre. No thanks.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
The $9M they save by releasing him is a bigger deal. The Jaguars have to have the worst receiving corps in the league...
Jason Hill has been in the league for 5 years and has 661 yards and is the Jags’ number 1 receiver?
Garrard’s 7.5 yards per attempt total last year was tied for 9th best in the league. He also had a 14.1 stretch vertical YPA (stretch vertical being those passes thrown 20 or more yards down-field), a total that ranked 10th best last year.
Okung - Gallery - Unger - Moffit - Carpenter
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Sep 6, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Check both yahoo sports and espn's depth charts...
Okung - Gallery - Unger - Moffit - Carpenter
by Roy Weaver Stuckey on Sep 6, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm hoping its Marcedes,
cause he’s my only fantasy TE!
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
It'll probably be Marcedes Lewis, who is one of the best TEs in the league
But Mike Thomas is damn good for a little guy
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 6, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I started Marcedes Lewis two years ago
He gets a lot of redzone looks by my recollection
Can't wait for the 2011 season to kick in.
I'm a one man rec'n crew
by jubelthebear on Sep 7, 2011 7:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't blame people for getting excited about Garrard
but there’s almost no chance that happens. Carroll would have to go back on so many words over training camp to pick up a guy that almost certainly wouldn’t be available for at least a week and provides little long term value. If this had happened at the start of free agency I’d be all about it, but at this point it doesn’t make much sense.
Pete wouldn't have to back track on anything.
It would take longer then a week for Garrard to get up to speed, that will be time enough for a faltering TJ to get benched. All you would need to say is that you are sticking with your mantra of always trying to make the team better, and that the job is still TJ’s to lose. And he will, some time around week 3 or 4. Take a look at our schedule imagine what TJ’s numbers will look like. Its going to be ugly, and were going to have someone behind him who threw 25 td’s last year.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
No matter what though
I don’t see him starting any more then 6 games. I honestly do not see it happening. If he wins in SF it will buy him a little breathing room, but if he loses that game it will spell the end. They have to know this, They even left the door wide open for CW as soon as he knows the system. Someone will replace him no later then the bye week, that can either be Charlie Whitehurst, or that can be David Garrard. I for one would like to see it be Garrard. TJ has a place on this team, he is there backup QB of the future. sort of like Holmgren always kept Seneca Wallace around. Smart, content to be a backup, can get the job done, knows the system well. CJ is a perfect backup, but should not be an NFL starter.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
If he sucks...he sucks, and the words mean nothing.
by StealthHawk on Sep 6, 2011 4:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The word "suck", in that context, implies a certainty seldom found in football
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 6, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Lots of good players fail when placed in the wrong circumstances
Lots of bad players succeed when their strengths are leveraged and weaknesses protected. Saying a guy “sucks” isn’t really informative or descriptive or helpful.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 6, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the league is nearly as fluid as that.
Sometimes you can find bad players with a particular skill and wring some value out of them but that doesn’t mean everything is a haze of unknowns and circumstances.
Saying a guy "sucks" is an easy way to write him off
so that you don’t have to do any thinking about him anymore.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 6, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Its going to be a rough, rough season
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 6, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
My worst fear at the moment
Is we go 3-13, have the second or third overall pick, and the Bills take Luck ahead of us and Barkley decides to stay at USC, and we have to take an over-rated D lineman or CB or something. Then we suffer another year of TJ or CW under center.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd say that outcome's very possible
Maybe even likely. The only caveat is that I don’t think we’d stick with TJ/CW through 2012, unless one of them does really well.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Sep 6, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh?
No, not really. You probably played with guys in your high school who sucked, but by the time you reach the NFL, just being good enough to get a look means you don’t suck.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Sep 6, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tried putting it nicely
But ya that’s pretty much what I meant. He was promised a fare shake, hes getting one. That was not a promise that he had the starter job for all 16 games barring injury.
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. We all are now well aware that practically any player can go at any time in the PC/JS era.
Tarvaris will be given some time but I imagine his leash is not as long as Carroll’s words may indicate.
Exactly.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
I would rank the Seahawks around 25th, sure.
My problem with their rankings is the continued hype of the Cardinals. The Cardinals are not a good team but people are acting that because they acquired Kevin Kolb they’ll have a winning record. What’s the difference between the Cardinals and the Seahawks? None.
The Rrrrrrrrrrrrrraidas are rrrrrrrrrrranked above the Seahawks.
I do not see that.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
Theyre ranked higher
Because they shoot at the doubters. Or beat them up in their big groups, Cuz they’re tough!
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 6:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Greg Oden ruined his career playing fucking twister.
this scares the holy shit out of me!
by 12th_man_syndrome on Sep 6, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Anthony Oden - OT 6'8" 380ish
Was fighting for starting spot at Arkansas but got a couple DWIs and now plays for some little school. He could fall to us with our 5th-8th pick!!! Could be the OTOTF!
But seriously, the Greg Oden thing still bums me out…
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 6:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So you can get a DWI for playing twister when you're drunk?
I need to be more careful.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
Nah you can't get a DWI
That’s a TWI, Twistering While Immobile. Atleast in GO’s case…
by SGT Lenny on Sep 6, 2011 8:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, let's sign David Garrard
Which will lead to Whitehurst getting cut, and then you take a mediocre injury liability as a starter while the inept all-around liability is the backup!
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong.
Well, he isn't some clumsy, Clouseau-esque waiter!
But he makes a mean bowl of shoooooow-dier.
by J.L. White on Sep 6, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would feel so much worse...
If we didn’t have good talent. I can see why pundits and many of us here can say “anywhere between 4-12 to 8-8”…but this team has good, young talent. What would piss me off is if we don’t significantly improve during the course of the season. Coaching is the determinable factor on how this team improves. Is there a difference between a 4-12 team that gets continually blown out vs a team that is 4-12 and beats itself? Pete will forever be measured on how this “manifestation” of a team performs…will they be competitive? I think we will, and of course I am bias! To summarize, “Coaching and Injuries” that will determine the success or failure this season.
"A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on."
Less Blowouts
Is what I expect out of this team this year. Competitive, young, and like usual, 7-9.
Why? Because PC and JS said so!
Man I missed some things. But long story short: I don't see David Garrard to the Seahawks happening
Has nothing to do with Pete going back on his word, who cares about that gunk.
But Garrard has the worst ball security of any starting QB in the NFL. His adjusted interception rating over 2010 led the NFL by a large margin. He also fumbles at a very high rate. He is the antithesis of what Pete Carroll wants at starting QB, even though he would be definite upgrade over Tarvaris.
Formerly Known As Vasilii
Espn 2010 preseason predict top 5
1 colts , 2 saints , 3 viks , 4 cowboys , 5 ravens finished 10 , 7 , 21 , 24 , 4. They had the 49s at 12 and of course 25 for the Seahawks. Not like these guys have a real handle on the prediction thing.
Unlike anyone else?
What’s your point?
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 6, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
foregone conclusion
Every body seems to think we are drafting the QB of the future next year there are several problems with this idea from my perspective. First I believe we will be picking behind several teams that will be drafting QB (Redskins, Bills, Raiders, and Miami) I personallly think 8-8 is where we finish but at the worst 6-10. Second I don’t think pete carol buys in to this QB of the future non sense and I agree how often does that actually work out it is far more common to dratf the QB of the future and it doesn’t work out for every Peyton manning there is a Alex smith or Jemarcus Russell. I believe pete believes in finding and developin a guy that is already in the leauge or a later round pick.
Heh
You mention “how often does it work out” with QBs getting drafted? That’s funny. How often does it work out with late round picks or free agents? How many of those type of franchise QBs can you name, over the past decade?
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 6, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It's an inexact science of course
and individual players and conditions play a huge part of it, but as a general statement I don’t think it’s worth betting the farm on a top 5 pick vs. one of the lower 1st round picks.
Looking at the 1st round QB’s drafted in the decade prior to 2006 (I think 5yrs is a fair time to judge whether or not a QB is elite, franchise, NFL-level or bust) you get a very mixed bag.
QB’s that went in the top 5’s are (all info from www.drafthistory.com):
Vince Young (2006 no. 3 pick), Alex Smith (2005 – 1), Eli Manning & Philip Rivers (2004 – 1 & 4), Carson Palmer (2003 – 1), David Carr & Joey Harrington (2002 – 1 & 3), Michael Vick (2001 – 1), Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb & Akali Smith (1999 – 1, 2 & 3) and in 1998 Peyton Manning & Ryan Leaf going 1 & 2.
Of course everyone will have a different opinion on the worthiness of those individuals (and I think the jury is still out on Vick), the team situation, the relative amount of hype (although I remember similar levels of hype surrounding most of these top level picks) etc,
But even without using the outlier late round successes where of course the success to bust ratio is much lower, the remainder of the first round in this time period had similar numbers of QB’s picked and in my opinion a pretty similar elite/OK/bust ratio as the top 5 – at the very least I would question whether there is enough of a difference to make giving up additional picks to get into the top 5 a good bet for a team that needs all the picks it can get.
First round Picks – 06 and down:
Matt Leinart & Jay Cutler (2006 10 & 11), Aaron Rodgers & Jason Campbell (2005 24 & 25), Rapistburgler (2004, 11), Kyle Boller & Sexy Rexy (2003, 19 & 22), Patrick Ramsey (2002, 32), Chad Pennington (2000, 18), Daunte Culpepper (1999, 11) & Jim Druckenmiller (1997, 26).
You're ignoring my point
The fact that a lot of high picked QBs bust doesn’t mean the alternative method is superior.
And any QB from the first round is not a “later round pick”
Formerly Known As Vasilii
by Thomas Beekers on Sep 7, 2011 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
5 of the last 6 Super Bowl champion QBs are on those lists (Brees being the exception).
9 of the last 14 QBs to play in the Super Bowl are on those lists as well. (exceptions being Brees, Warner, Hass and Brady).
So the moral of the story is, "at some point the Seahawks should draft a QB some time in the first round. Unless there isn't anyone available. Then they should draft something else."
It is this kind of insightful analysis which brings be back to FG day after day.
"It's okay to have an open mind, just not so open that your brains fall out." - Carl Sagan (well, a lot of guys)
by Johnny Slick on Sep 7, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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