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Seahawks Season Ends With Loss to Cardinals, 23-20

The Seahawks closed out their 2011 season with a hard-fought, chippy, grind it out overtime loss to the Cardinals today to give themselves a 7-9 record and third-place finish in the NFC West. As Rob Staton tells us, this 7-9 record means the Seahawks will now pick 11th or 12th in the 2012 Draft, pending a Roger Goodell (or someone representing the NFL) coin-toss at the NFL Combine, as the Seahawks end in a dead lock with the Kansas City Chiefs, both in record and strength of schedule.

A few thoughts on the game then as usual we'll get more in depth this week...

First off, another great NFC West game - I came away from the last two weeks with a great feeling for what the division is becoming. I feel good about the future of the Seahawks but at the same time I also have come to respect the improvement the Cardinals have made and the type of team that is put together in San Francisco. Apart from the Rams (who reportedly will fire HC Steve Spagnolo and GM Billy Devaney) the trio of Seattle, San Francisco and Arizona all look to be on the rise and the rivalries developing there are compelling. Looking forward to next season, it's easy to imagine each divisional matchup being huge, and despite the year the Rams had, you can't forget they were runner up to the NFC West title last season, so they could surprise as well. All in all, it's nice to have a legitimate division again.

Nothing in particular stood out to me in this game as overly concerning or overly exciting. The Seahawks rushed for 178 yards on 34 attempts, 5.2 ypc, and Tarvaris Jackson finished 21 for 33 for 222 yards, a touchdown and a pick. 35 throws to 34 runs, the typical balance from this offense and overall a pretty typical performance from it too - some nice interior running, a few deep shots, and of course a few really bad throws and a few really sweet throws from Tarvaris Jackson. Sprinkle in your obligatory strange, cute red-zone play calling by Darrell Bevell and this was a typical Seahawks' game.

Marshawn Lynch continued to look excellent running in Tom Cable's zone-blocking scheme. He picked lanes well, fought for yardage, ran over defenders, and ended with 86 yards on 19 attempts, 4.5 yards per carry. He failed to score a touchdown for the first time in 12 games unfortunately, but he looked the part as a feature back. Leon Washington had a good game, finally, as a running back, rushing seven times and taking advantage by breaking one open for 48 yards and a touchdown with a few nice cuts downfield.

One theme from this game was the idea that some players would be playing for their jobs following the season, and a few of these performances stood out. Justin Forsett, for one, struggled, finishing with 16 yards rushing on six attempts, or 2.7 ypc on the ground and caught three passes for -4 yards. Likewise, Ben Obomanu had a tough night, hauling in three passes on seven targets, and at least three of those missed targets were borderline drops.

On the other hand, Richardo Lockette had another 'take the top off the defense' play when he caught a 61-yard bomb from Tarvaris Jackson for a touchdown in the 4th quarter. John Boyle of the Everett Herald wrote this week about how Tarvaris Jackson had compared Lockette to Forrest Gump at the beginning of the year - just runnnang - but now he's improved on his routes and catching ability. Well, that's probably true, but this run and catch was pretty reminiscent of Forrest Gump's fictional Alabama All-American campaign.

When you watch the replay of the touchdown, Lockette the Rocket just runs directly straight down the field and simply beats his defender to the endzone. Whatever, two games, two big plays for a guy many of us were hoping would be that deep threat type of player. So far, so good.

On defense, the vaunted run-stopping unit tilted back toward mediocrity, giving up 131 yards and 4.2 ypc to Arizona's backups, though it should be noted, as Thomas pointed out earlier in the year, the Seahawks definitely struggle more against smaller, shiftier backs and that's what LaRod Stephens-Howling is. Our defensive line has a harder time keeping contain on these players and our linebacker group isn't athletic enough to hang with them on the edge.

Exacerbating this issue with stopping the run was the ridiculousness of Larry Fitzgerald, who had an otherworldly game and was easily the MVP for the Cardinals. He had at least two highlight-reel catches and was huge in overtime, picking up 46 yards on three catches and essentially sealing the deal for Arizona.

All in all, though ugly and frustrating at times, this was another good divisional game and the Seahawks once again put themselves in a position to win late. More to come soon, but what were your thoughts?

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Yes. Matt Flynn. Not sure what your NO was directed too..

If it was to me, notice I said a FA, aka Free Agent, such as Matt Flynn? He’s a young free agent who could challenge Tjack, for sure.

by BlueThruAndThru on Jan 1, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

He isn't worth top 5 money

I would be a little cautious. It is hard to fail when you are surrounded with Green Bay’s talent. He could be this years Kevin Kolb. Still I would take a chance on him in free agency. Bring him in and let him compete.

by Patches Pal on Jan 1, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree he's not worth top 5 money,

but I don’t think GB has all that much talent. They’ve got good receivers, an iffy running game, and an iffy O line. They rely on Rodgers.

Flynn torched a bad Lions secondary.

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by hazbro24 on Jan 1, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Flynn vs. T-Jack

Flynn may indeed have torched a bad Lions secondary, but what would T-Jack have accomplished against same? Let me guess…..14 of 24 for 198 yarfs, 1 TD & 1 INT. This, of course, doesn’t reflect on the multiple open receivers not thrown to or the three sacks he ttok by holding the ball too long or the better plays the OC could have called if he had a better and smarter QB to work with.

by Emperor_MA on Jan 2, 2012 9:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Heh,

Replacing TJ would be #1 on my to do list if I were GM, and I’d take a long look at Flynn. I’ve seen enough of TJ to say he’s terrible, haven’t seen enough of Flynn to say he’s worth anything more than an opportunity to start somewhere. A long term boat load of cash deal to a two game starter scares me.

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by hazbro24 on Jan 2, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

JS doesn't really need to take that long of a look

Since he helped draft him and watched him develop for a couple of years before he came to Seattle.

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by stufr on Jan 2, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Detroit is the 4th-ranked team against the pass by DVOA

I agree their secondary is pretty iffy, but this isn’t like his performance against the Patriots, where he did alright against a horrible defense. He absolutely torched a pretty good defense.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Franchise Flynn?

If the Pack tags Flynn, my guess is he’d be making at least as much as Rodgers…..maybe even more.

by Emperor_MA on Jan 2, 2012 9:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, but there's going to be a market there for him.

And anybody that trades for him probably will restructure his contract for the long term.

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by EequalsMc2 on Jan 2, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

About 15 million, yeah

That’s the risk, but it should be well possible to get rid of him, if even for less than a 1st.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I would have to think the risk they actually eat that contract approaches zero.

From a game-theory perspective franchising Flynn seems like a no-brainer.

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by shams on Jan 2, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, one factor is that you get a compensatory pick anyway

And since the Pack isn’t very active in free agency, that pick is likely to be very high indeed. It’s not just a question of “no pick + risk vs no pick”, it’s about potentially moving up pickwise but taking a risk while doing so.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting, I had not thought of that.

I also hadn’t fully considered the salary implications— it’s just possible teams will balk at contract talks with a starting point of ~14m per year.

Compensatory picks are seldom higher than fourth round, right?

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by shams on Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Seldom but certainly not impossible

Packers got a fourth-round pick just for Aaron Kampman. A full-payed QB who plays all games should net you at least a 3rd.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 2, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Awareness of that statement having nothing to do with the article is irrelevant.

I’d rather give Tarvaris a second year starting in the system than throw money at Rob Johnson’s version of Free Agency.

by EyeoftheHawk on Jan 1, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

How many more years in the system does Tarvaris need to "Get it"?

He can’t. Keep him as a backup but don’t hand him the starting job next year. If he is the uncontested starter then this management is doing one “patchwork gamble” too many. It can’t work with everynoe like Browner and I guess BMW.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong I would love to be in a position to acquire a stud replacement for T-Jack.

I don’t want to end up on the wrong end of Matt Cassell, Rob Johnson… Kevin Kolb or any others on that laundry list of a few good games trickery.

by EyeoftheHawk on Jan 1, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't even know what your statement was stating.

But your frugality with verbs is noteworthy in this economy.

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by shams on Jan 1, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Bevell's system?

The one he’s been in for 6 years?

by MT Olson on Jan 2, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

So happy with the more competitive and tough as hell Seahawks this year!

Same record as last year, but close, hard fought losses, ones where you could see that a better QB and a bit more pass rush could easily swing us 4-6 games better.

Of course, there’s the question of Bevell’s play calling, but I also think he tried to work within some limitations of Tavaris, which limited his playcalling and the timing of when some plays would be called. I hope Tavaris is at least competing with a quality young QB (aquired via the draft, FA, or both), with him only winning out because he has improved over the off season, mini-camps, and training camp, and the rookie or FA has pushed him hard. Seriously, we just need maybe 3% better QB play to be a real factor now, making our D look even better as our O sustains more drives.

GO Seahawks!

by BlueThruAndThru on Jan 1, 2012 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

Ricardo Lockette is a beast.

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by RagingAlot on Jan 1, 2012 5:59 PM PST reply actions  

You mean Richard Lockette?

And Dustin Forsett? And Golden Tate…excuse me Deon Butler?

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Haha ah commentators.

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by RagingAlot on Jan 1, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sad for Force though

don’t see him coming back next year unless he’s got more of a contract left to play out

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Think John Morgan had it right

Ruskell’s picks peak early and fade.

His draft picks are good for teams looking to contend but he’s inept picking guys with a long term future.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

11 or 12 puts us in position to possibly move up if we decide the RGIII is the right guy

It will still be expensive, but now we are only talking moving 8-9 spots.

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by stufr on Jan 1, 2012 6:12 PM PST reply actions  

This is good for draft position but...

losing to Arizona is still losing to Arizona
Losing at home to sf is still losing at home to sf

The team still has major holes that need to be filled. T Jax can’t win shit and the pass rush is fucking weak. These are pretty big issues that need to get solved. And once again half the team made it through week 17, injuries are still a major issue.

I like alot of what JS and PC are doing, but to me the last two weeks showed me the team is pretty far from being a contender. And we will be 7 – 9 or maybe 8 – 8 if T jax is qb next year.

by steverolley on Jan 1, 2012 6:13 PM PST reply actions  

Pretty far? I disagree

One elite pass rusher away, and the Hawks are already going to allow less than 20 pts a game avg. That’s the largest missing piece. With it, our secondary arguably becomes elite because QB’s will have to completely adjust how they throw the quick routes with such tall corners playing press 90% of the time

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I agree, we are close, but getting that elite pass rusher is no gimme...

nor is getting a better QB, but that’s all we are away. If we get both, we are in awesome shape, one of the two, and we probably at least get 2 games better, maybe 3. I too think we are so close now.

by BlueThruAndThru on Jan 1, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

1 elite pass rusher

those are really a dime a dozen, and is he gonna lead the 2 minute drive in the 4th. I think the team is getting better, but still these are some big holes

by steverolley on Jan 1, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Notice I opened by saying those were not going to be easy to get...

so yes, we are close, but my whole premise is, close doesn’t mean we will get all the way there next year. Few glaring needs, but the ones we have are not easy to fill. Hopefully we will get both, even getting one will be a few games improvement given this year’s team members coming back next year, for the most part.

by BlueThruAndThru on Jan 1, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want this secondary to be a 2007 redux of killing the bad QBs and struggling with the good ones

They need to consistently stop guys at the level of John Skelton. Next year they likely play Brady, Cam Newton, Eli/Romo, Aaron Rodgers, and Jay Cutler.

The 2011 talent is better than the 2007 talent in the secondary, but hopefully they mature and continue to play well.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

LB seems to be a weakness there

we’re vulnerable there in pass coverage and play action

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Along those lines...if we pick up a stud DE next year, who would be playing opposite him?

I’ve loved watching Big Red come into his own this year, but I still wonder sometimes if he’s not a liability against a good passing team. It seems like Skeleton had all sorts of time to get the ball off today.

by TMann_2 on Jan 1, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

We are so very close to being above average

two main positions: QB (which arguably may change with an off-season) and elite pass rusher (maybe through the draft, maybe through FA). I am optimistic for next year, and I can’t wait for April

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:25 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

What if the Borg are real and we can get them to assimilate Tjack to make him a better QB?

Just saying…picture to accompany:

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

We are Borg.

Always Compete, Resistance is Futile.

by The Cheese on Jan 1, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

MS Paint took over the world in 1985

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't we send John Connor back in time to save the world from that app?

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by shams on Jan 1, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it was Steve Jobs who tried that in 1980

unfortunately, he could only delay the inevitable

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be even worse.

They would be keeping the worst part of TJack.

by wetzelcoal on Jan 1, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Go after a top rated QB in the draft..

If that doesn’t work try and get Flynn.. T Jax is a good back up and yes I do think Flynn is a upgrade over T Jax. Then go after two pass rushers in FA and the draft.

by Redzone59 on Jan 1, 2012 6:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Flynn should have a home well before the draft.

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by shams on Jan 1, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I think T Jax checked out to the second run

He’s afraid of throwing to anyone under 6 ft. Still an attrocious game from Bevell

by G-Mo on Jan 1, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I know, that was really stupid. Even ran once (not on a Tavaris check down) in that last drive

when there was absolutely no reason to run it at all. In no way does putting Tavaris in 2nd or 3rd and long help him succeed. Forsett had done nothing all day against the cards D line, and there was no reason to expect that to change, as the Cards weren’t dropping “everyone” back in coverage either.

by BlueThruAndThru on Jan 1, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes you go hmm

If Norv Turner gets fired from SD, Seattle needs to pick him up or just Fire Bevill and have Cable call the games. I’m not sure what Bevill saw or was thinking…,

by Redzone59 on Jan 1, 2012 6:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think they were just trying him out in that situation if he can actually be of some use.

Or you just don’t like our OC.

Let’s just swindle Norv Turner like we did with Tom Cable.

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by RagingAlot on Jan 1, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Norv would be ideal

He’s as crap head coach but great offensive mind.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Bevell's play-calling was terrible...

…and I agree the two Forsett runs were front and center.

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by Azimeir on Jan 1, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about that..

I think Bevill does well with a good QB..

by Redzone59 on Jan 1, 2012 6:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Offseason time!

WOOO

I’m bored, have they cut anyone yet?

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by RagingAlot on Jan 1, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Name four players who won't be back.

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by shams on Jan 1, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

JForce, CW, Tru, and...erm....

dunno
granted, I know nothing about who has how many years left on contracts and whatnot

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Forsett, Hill, Trufant, Raheem

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by RagingAlot on Jan 1, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Hill?

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

He was on a 'prove yourself' one year deal.

I hope to shit he re-signs.

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by shams on Jan 1, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunno who they'd fill in though

anyone available through FA?

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

DB Philip Adams too maybe

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by shams on Jan 1, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Forsett, Butler, Trufant, Whitehurst.

Kind of sad, I feel an affinity for all of them.

by djafrot on Jan 1, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Obo's been given a lot of...

…opportunities to show his usefulness. Didn’t help himself a lot over the last month, and played like shit today.

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by Azimeir on Jan 1, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Just watch, next season he lights it up all across the board

snore…snore…snore
Hm-wait-what just happened? I was asleep just there…

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

That was a good thing as well...all things considered.

Can you imagine this season with Whitehurst all the way?

by sonse7en on Jan 1, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

For what it's worth, yep.

I was like WOOHOOO A STAR WIDE RECEIVER and then I was like OH CRAP HE ACTUALLY IS INJURY PRONE.

by djafrot on Jan 1, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Fitzgerald was ridiculous today

Several of those catches were well defended. He was the difference today.

by MapleBar on Jan 1, 2012 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

The future?

Seems like most of today’s best plays were by the younger players (Sherman, Lockette, Baldwin), and the worst by the vets (Jackson, Obomanu)? Good in a way, but makes for some frustrating watching.
Still like the team’s direction.
How about Browner taking out three guys on one play (a fair catch)? Didn’t see much of that from Jennings.

by kanbar on Jan 1, 2012 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

Andrew Luck would look good in a Seahawk uniform

I have my doubts about RG3 because of the spread offense he plays in. Luck clearly is NFL ready, however. His ability to read defenses sets him apart. Indy will not keep the pick. They are committed to Peyton Manning. I would give them our 1st and 2nd picks, TJax and one other player. We have to make the move this year because next year we will draft lower.

by Patches Pal on Jan 1, 2012 7:26 PM PST reply actions  

This is something I buy into.

I’m not sold on RG3. And he looks fragile.

If we’re trading up, go all in. Nobody is taking TJ in trade however. And you’ve underestimated what the cost is.

But I say do it.

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by hazbro24 on Jan 1, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

While I don't disagree about the team considering moving all the way to #1

I think it’s going to take more than a 1st, 2nd, Jackson, and a spare part.

by BrianL on Jan 1, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

2 1st and 2 2nds sound good

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by EequalsMc2 on Jan 1, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it would take three 1sts, a 2nd and E.T.

No deal.

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by shams on Jan 1, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't wait for next year.

Even if nothing changed during this offseason, I think that if this team could go back and play this season again they’d probably win 9 or 10 games. A full offseason of preparation, and hopefully our O-line and Rice come back healthy and even with T-Jax and a bellow average pass rush and this team could still have a good season next year.

by wetzelcoal on Jan 1, 2012 7:27 PM PST reply actions  

with a non-division winner schedule, it's totally possible

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't wait for next year!

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by RolloTomasi on Jan 1, 2012 7:35 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

If Tarvaris starts 14+ games for us next year...

8-8 is our ceiling. Maybe a very outside chance at 9-7 if everything else is clicking, but he really hamstrings our offense.

by KC on Jan 1, 2012 7:40 PM PST reply actions  

If Tarvaris has the starting job by default and remains that way

Then this regime clearly thinks they can play like the 2000 Ravens.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

And they'd be wrong, because

our D won’t be as good as 2000 Ravens, and Dilfer was a better QB that Jackson.

by KC on Jan 1, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Dilfer didn't even start the full 16 games

He only got in because Tony Banks was that awful.

Baltimore’s offense was so inept that they lost the division and needed to win the AFC through road games.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

All true

Dilfer started 8 games, didn’t have great numbers, and I still think he passed the eyeball test better than Tarvaris. Not by a mile, but better. Watching Tarvaris’ lack of pocket presence makes me physically uncomfortable. Never felt that way about Dilfer.

by KC on Jan 1, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Our ceiling? 8-8?

This is extremely reactionary.

by sonse7en on Jan 1, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

We lost a bunch of close games:

SFx2, ARI, CLE, ATL. If we’d been able to have a full offseason and a little more luck, we could have been sitting a solid 10-11 wins.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 1, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, but those things break both ways.

If other teams have an offseason, maybe they play us tougher. And we had some lucky breaks here and there too. We were 7-9 this year, and that accurately represents where we’re at.

by KC on Jan 1, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunno

no one saw SF going all the way to 11 this year, did they? And literally no change to the offense, still an average at best QB there in Smith.

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, but a dramatic change there

with the coaching staff. That aspect will be a constant for the Hawks. But I take your point—a big leap is always possible. I just think a big leap for us is nearly impossible without a QB upgrade.

by KC on Jan 1, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not like we got a whole lot of close game breaks this season.

We had five wins by double digits and went 1-4 in games decided by 3 points or less. If we were getting breaks like the Cardinals (zero wins by 10 +) got them this season we could 11-5 or 10-6 and in the playoffs. When comparing number of wins by 10 or more the Hawks had more than playoff teams Denver, Tennessee, and the Giants and tied with SF, Atl, Det, Jets, Steelers and Chargers. This team feels like one that is just a couple key pieces from making the leap.

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by kelly20210 on Jan 2, 2012 2:15 AM PST up reply actions  

But the Cardinals also had a ton of close wins

So it goes both ways. Point is, both our teams could’ve done more this season, both our teams didn’t. The 49ers deserved to make the Playoffs, and next season, we’ll see who goes on.

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by Skii on Jan 2, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Right but we only won 2 close games (7 points or less) out of the 7 we played.

It didn’t go both ways for us this season. What if Tavaris scores on 3rd down against SF, we get points on the RZ trip yesterday, Leon’s punt isn’t called back and converting 3rd down against the falcons and this is an 11 win team. Considering we were the second youngest team in the league playing without a franchise qb. A little more seasoning and the right qb this team will be elite.

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by kelly20210 on Jan 2, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Zero wins by even 8 points

They almost tied the record for most single digit wins in a season (Houston Oilers in the 70s had 10 wins by single digits).

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by SSreporters on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, probably is

and still correct, I think.

by KC on Jan 1, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about this.

I would love to get a new QB for next year as well, but saying we can only win 8 games with TJax is incredibly reactionary. We lost our last two games by a combined 5 points and could very easily be 9-7 right now. TJax is a limiting factor, but I definitely think we can win 9 games or even 10 games with some luck.

by Alex Kelly on Jan 1, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a terrible playcall

This is a bad game. Really bad.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 7:49 PM PST reply actions  

No not really

I’m just rewatching some of Bevell’s work…..

Ahh yeah I’m in the wrong thread.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Mock draft time, the seahawks hold the 12 overall pick( i think)

1st-quinton qouples DE
2nd-nick foles QB
3rd- lamicheal james RB

by Bluehawk17 on Jan 1, 2012 7:55 PM PST reply actions  

If Polk is there in the 2nd, take him

then think about QB in the third if I’m the Hawks

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

but I like couples in the 1st round, he is good against the pass and the run, he could be very, very useful if he can be an every down guy in this league

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Coples doesn't fit the scheme (too big and slow to be a LEO, too small to be a three tech)

and I’m not sure if Carroll would consider completely changing it up just for one player. Not to mention how hugely inconsistent Coples has been this year (until the last two games of the season in which he had three sacks, he only had 4.5 sacks total)

by Coach Owens on Jan 1, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Re trading-up

Has Clemons performed well enough that we can dangle him as trade bait?

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 8:02 PM PST reply actions  

I would think so.

2 straight very solid seasons. Making a name for himself

by SeahawksPhan on Jan 1, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He's 31 next year

We don’t want him to experience a decline due to age.

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by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

He an older model with low low miles.

Philly hardly let him out of the parking lot.

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by hazbro24 on Jan 2, 2012 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at Raheem Brock though.

9 sacks last year, lost everything now and didn’t really contribute. And he’s only 33.

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by EequalsMc2 on Jan 2, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

hmmmm

maybe in conjunction with another player, we could move a few spots. I’d imagine the first five teams to draft are looking for a pass rusher, no?

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade clemons?!

No i think we should convert him to linbacker and use him like the broncos use von miller. We dont need another power back the reason i want lamicheal james is because of his explosiveness(which forsett fails to provide, leon somewhat)and qb is a major need if we cant draft a good one in the first then we have to draft one in the second for sure

by Bluehawk17 on Jan 1, 2012 8:06 PM PST reply actions  

imagine having two haymakers - Polk and Lynch

defenses would be putting in third stringers by the fourth quarter because of injuries

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 1, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

fitz is probably the best receiver period when its all done.

i dont understand how he does it. he’s not the fastest guy but he just somehow does his thing especially when it’s game time. if lynch is beast mode. fitz is uhh uhh superbeast mode?

by genax on Jan 1, 2012 11:15 PM PST reply actions  

Four games that should have been won this year

Cleveland
San Fran on Christmas Eve.
Washington
Arizona yesterday

Most of the day the Defense looked……I don’t know, tired?

Most of the day the offense looked…..pathetic.

Leon Washington may have saved his job yesterday.

My God, what this team could be if they could ever keep the O-line healthy.

What happens next year? Trade Rice, Williamsand Forsett to try to move up in the draft and get the QBOTF?

Will Tru and Thurmond be handed their jobs back or will they have to fight for them as they should?

Will I even watch the playoffs? Well, probably 9ers games and root for their quick exit from the playoffs..

by Michael Harp on Jan 2, 2012 7:14 AM PST reply actions  

Washington may have saved his job???

I haven’t been keeping up on this blog due to the craziness of winter break, but where/when did all these comments become so common?

Washington had a fine year as far as I am concerned. It’s not his fault special teams have struggled mightily at times with blocking and penalties.

by wyobo on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a strong case to be made that Leon

cost Seattle the Christmas Eve game or at least strongly contributed to the loss by somsistently bringing the ball out from deep in the end-zone all the way to the….13….15…14…the field position in the second half of that game was crap and Washingont was the reason.

by Michael Harp on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Have him punch more people.

Like Bevell and Bradley, for instance.

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