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The Seattle Seahawks 2011 Season: A Look Back at the Offense

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As I wrote about yesterday, the Seahawks' offense from 2011 left something to be desired. This sentiment, really, has been described by pretty much every Seahawks' writer since the end of the season. The storylines are all pretty similar- a slow start, the line 'gelled,' Marshawn Lynch started to do his thang, and towards the end of the season, things were looking up. Beast mode's arrival was the signal that the Seahawks had undergone an identity change.

I think all that is true, more or less. The Seahawks offense certainly looked better at the end of the season and on a whole was much more efficient as the year went on. This was an accomplishment, considering the amount of injuries the offense had to endure in the war of attrition that is any NFL season. Three starting offensive linemen, two starting wideouts, missed games here and there by key players, including the quarterback. Still, even in the end, and regardless of the injuries, the Seahawks offense wasn't very good.

Yesterday, I pointed out that Football Outsiders had the Seahawks ranked 22nd in offensive DVOA, one spot above Tim Tebow's Denver Broncos and below teams like the Matt Moore led Miami Dolphins, the Mark Sanchez-led Jets, the Redskins, Oakland, Buffalo, and Matt Hasselbeck's Titans. Not exactly a high-octane group to be associated with.

Even their weighted offensive DVOA, which takes into account the play of the team later in the year, which was markedly better than that of the early struggles, the Hawks only finished 19th in DVOA, still behind Rex Grossman's Redskins, Carson Palmer's Raiders, and Andy Dalton's Bengals.

Part of the problem here is the style of offense the Seahawks are choosing to run. Right now, you'd probably have to point to San Francisco as the model in which this current Seahawks team, with the current Seahawks roster, would wish to emulate - power running, no turnovers, heavy, two-tight end sets and a focus on taking the pressure off of the quarterback to carry the team. Let your defense and special teams carry you. Grind.

Now, I don't know if that's the ultimate goal - hopefully not, hopefully someday the talent at quarterback will not necessitate this style of offense - but I don't fault Pete Carroll taking this route, given the talent available to him. Given what he has, and what has been available since he took over the team, I don't think it's a bad strategy. We've seen what happens when the Seahawks get into crunch time and rely on Tarvaris Jackson to carry the team on his back. Carroll even acknowleged in his post-season presser that Jackson wasn't very good in that realm. They didn't like to force Jackson to carry the team and I'm glad that's not the route they've tried to take. If they had, I assume things would have been a lot worse, probably sort of what the offense looked like in the beginning of the season.

Greg Cosell wrote a piece recently that talked about the "New School" vs "Old School" that will be showcased when the Niners take on the Saints this week. He talked about the new NFL and the current trends.

1978 was the turning point. It was the year in which the rules were changed to encourage more passing, and more points. The quarterback became the focal point. Offense gradually shifted from a running foundation to a passing foundation. What we saw in 2011, with 3 quarterbacks throwing for more than 5000 yards in a single season, was merely the culmination of this transition. It is now accepted that the NFL is a passing league, driven by high level quarterbacks who routinely throw 35-40 times a game, and often more.

The Saints exemplify this line of thinking. It starts with Drew Brees, but the progression has advanced much further. It highlights multiple personnel packages and formations (unheard of 20-30 years ago), creative utilization of an athletic tight in the passing game (Don Coryell was the first to do that with Kellen Winslow in 1979) and quick tempo and no huddle offense regardless of game situation. It's fast break football orchestrated by the most important player on the field, the quarterback.

This is now the acknowledged way to compete, and win championships in the NFL. Top quarterbacks playing consistently well. Weapons all over the field, attacking from different positions. A selective running game that eats up yards. The ability to score 40 any given game, no matter the quality of the opponent. The quarterback, and the offense, compensate for, and camouflage defensive inconsistencies. It's a belief that offense now drives championship football in this new wave NFL.

We've all heard this, we all question whether the Seahawks are taking the right approach. That's fair. I would submit that it's more an approach based on necessity than anything right now, and though I doubt Pete Carroll would ever install an offense like the Saints have, I don't doubt he would love to have an elite quarterback to run his style of football.

But he doesn't.

And neither does San Francisco. Cosell continues: Then there are the 49ers. Their model in 2011: old school football. The running game, defense, special teams, turnover ratio. They are physical, efficient and relentless. It's directly out of the 1970's guide to winning in the NFL. The 49ers ran the ball more than any team in the NFC. Frank Gore and Kendell Hunter totaled almost 400 rushes and 1700 yards. Defensively, they allowed the fewest rushing yards in the league, only 77 per game. Run the ball. Stop the run. Defense wins championships. Football platitudes as sturdy as any through the decades, and ones many still grasp very strongly.

The 2011 Alex Smith fit this model beautifully. He attempted the fewest overall passes of any quarterback who started 16 games. The 49ers profile, and its consistent week-to-week execution, did not demand Smith throw more. He threw just 5 interceptions. No starting quarterback had fewer. It was a major reason the 49ers led the league in turnover differential with +28. And turnover differential is always one of the most important contributors to winning games.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, Smith threw only 17 touchdown passes, the lowest number of any quarterback who started 16 games. (Brees led the NFL with 46). Even more telling in this era of passing was this statistic: Smith threw for less than 200 yards in 9 games. He was never asked, nor required based on game situation, to make throw-after-throw-after-throw to win. Smith was a puzzle piece on a complete team, and it can easily be argued that no coach did a better job than Jim Harbaugh balancing his offense, defense and special teams in a winning formula.

Cosell does a better job than I ever could at describing the essence of what Seattle has installed for this season, and though he's talking about the 49ers, pretty much every point rings true for what Pete Carroll has put together. Alex Smith is undoubtedly better than Tarvaris Jackson but by no means should be considered elite. Looking at Smith's career, you wonder if he should even be considered middling. Regardless, I think the two offenses could be comparable.

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Tarvaris Jackson had 14 touchdown passes to 13 interceptions in 15 games. He threw for 3,091 yards (20th in the NFL) on 30 attempts per game (24th in the NFL). His stats are fairly comparable to those of Alex Smith, minus the amount of turnovers, of course, which kill this scheme's M.O..

Here's the key to focus on though in this comparison - San Francisco did a much better job of executing the model the Seahawks were apparently trying to implement - strong run defense, strong special teams, run-based possession offense. They went 13-3, won the West while going 5-1 in the division, got the 2nd seed in the NFC, had the best turnover ratio in the NFL at +28, and still did all that with an offensive DVOA of 1.6%, only 18th overall. Only four spots above the Seahawks, both weighted and overall, on the year.

Comparing the Seahawks offense to teams like Detroit, Green Bay, and New Orleans is, first of all, unfair, in that it is like comparing apples to oranges. When you compare how the Seahawks did to, in my eyes, the closest relative of their scheme in the current NFL - that of San Francisco - with an, in my opinion, very sub-elite QB, a strong run game, similar styles and scheming on offense and strong defenses, things don't look quite as bad for this Seahawks season.

You could make the comparison to teams like Baltimore and Atlanta as well, though I would rank both Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan well above either Tarvaris Jackson or Alex Smith. Both Atlanta and Baltimore had very similar run/pass ratio to the Seahawks but finished 10th and 11th in offensive DVOA this season, so obviously there is room for improvement and the first major key to that equation is your quarterback.

Another similarly styled offense to the Seahawks was that of the New York Jets, led by the much-maligned Mark Sanchez, who finished just above the Seahawks at 21st in offensive DVOA with a very similar run/pass ratio. Sanchez though, for all the guff he takes, threw 26 touchdowns, almost twice as many as Jackson.

I'm rambling, really, but the point I'm zeroing in on is that for teams with sub-elite quarterbacks, or in Seattle's case, probably sub-middling quarterbacks, the offense held its own, particularly in the later part of the season. Now, obviously, there is room for improvement and one such team you could use as an example would be Pittsburgh. The Steelers mix a strong running game with an explosive downfield element to create a very efficient and effective offense (Denver defeat notwithstanding). They do so on the back of a, probably, 'tier 1.5' quarterback in Ben Roethlisberger that has shown the uncanny ability to put the team on his shoulders late in games. In my mind, the Seahawks aren't shooting for the goal of having San Francisco's offense, but would rather have something akin to that of the Steelers, or Texans, for example. That's my hope, anyway.

Clare Farnsworth said it pretty well yesterday when he wrote:

To truly appreciate where the Seahawks' offense finished - 28th overall, by averaging 303.8 yards; 21st rushing and 22nd passing - it helps to revisit where this group came from. There were new starters at quarterback (Tarvaris Jackson), tight end (Zach Miller), flanker (Sidney Rice) and on the line (left guard Robert Gallery, right guard John Moffitt and right tackle James Carpenter). There was a first-year starter at center (Max Unger) and a player in his first full season with the team at running back (Marshawn Lynch). There also was a former college QB (Michael Robinson) adapting to the role of fulltime lead-blocker at the fullback position and a rookie free agent (Doug Baldwin) who ended up leading the team in receptions, receiving yards and touchdown catches.

There also was a new coordinator (Bevell) and a new man in charge of the running game (assistant head coach/offensive line coach Tom Cable).

What there wasn't, because of the 136-day lockout, was an offseason to implement all this newness and infuse all the new faces. Instead, all of this had to come together despite the players being on the field together for the first time on July 30 and several of the new players not being able to practice until Aug. 4.

Considering all this and considering the talent that this coaching staff had to work with, particularly at quarterback, there are certainly reasons for optimism going forward. I'm not purposefully piling on to Tarvaris Jackson and I think he played probably better than any of us expected. He was tough and played through injury. He was a good leader and endeared himself to the fanbase. After the offseason rumors of his impending arrival and subsequent incredulous reaction from most of the fanbase, after the slow start and home-field boo birds, he emerged as a serviceable option for the team and was vastly superior, surprisingly, to Charlie Whitehurst, a guy that many of us were hoping would eventually take the reins.

There were moments where some of us thought maybe Jackson could get over that hump and be a really good quarterback even. I suppose there are probably people still thinking that, and I suppose it could still happen. Jackson will quite possibly be starting for this team next season and that's fine with me as long as the team is developing further options - he doesn't cost the team Draft capital and doesn't hurt them in the salary cap ledger. The "he is who we thought he is" thing gets thrown around and I mostly agree with that, but in my case he's actually better than I though he was. So, I'm not trying to denigrate the guy, he did a fine job, especially and particularly considering the circumstances he was presented. He was a cast-off from the team that drafted him, and a street free agent with marginal starting experience signed to be the team's next go-to guy. What more could you rationally hope for?

The skill players flashed potential but none impressed particularly. Sidney Rice looks like a real #1 wide receiver option but was hurt frequently. Mike Williams took a step back and failed to develop any chemistry with Jackson. Doug Baldwin amazed as an undrafted rookie and undoubtedly has a future on the team but didn't necessarily put the offense on his back. Golden Tate improved and shows much greater promise. Ben Obomanu is undoubtedly an asset but in the greater scheme of things isn't someone I think will be around all that long. Past that, you've got potential but minimal on-field production.

Zach Miller was amazing as a blocking tight end but was a non-factor in the passing game. Similarly were Anthony McCoy and Cameron Morrah - two guys with seemingly high potential but minimal on-field production.

Marshawn Lynch was probably the most dependable offensive player for the Seahawks and got most of his work in during the second half of the season. Michael Robinson looked to be an asset. Justin Forsett regressed and Leon Washington was, sadly, rarely used.

The offensive line showed flashes as well but couldn't stay healthy, save for Max Unger. There is promise there for sure, in the starters and backups, but a half-season is honestly what we got from them. I really hope that the offseason will be beneficial and have no reason to think otherwise.

As this piece is an attempt at an honest look back on the season I should end just by saying there seems to be a lot of potential for this offense, it just didn't really manifest itself on the field this season with consistency. The one bright spot was obviously the running game and that cannot be understated. The streak of 100+ yards in eight of the last nine games was empirically impressive, even from an NFL-wide standpoint. No team rushed better than the Seahawks in the second half of the year, so if there's one thing to take away from the season on the offensive side, it's obviously just that.

I'll be continuing this series with the defense and special teams, then looking forward to next year and hopefully will take a more cheery tone. I do believe the future is bright for this team and I'll explore which players may be key parts of that future success. Stay tuned...

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On offense what the Hawk's problem is that most of their players are just good enough

What they lack is the one or two studs who will make the big plays when they’re needed.

Marshawn is close and might get there next year. I have hopes. Sidney Rice could be another but the injury factor really has me wondering. The rest of the guys are good but probably won’t ever take your breath away and greatness is needed from someone.

What I think has the best chance of occurring and something I’d like to see next season is the O-line develop as a group into that greatness/strength that opponents fear. I’d love to see us get more high-quality depth on the line so if injuries occur they can still dominate. We’d see more Zack Miller out catching passes, more time for whoever our QB is to throw, bigger holes for Beast Mode… it would be a wonderful thing.

by bobbyj0708 on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

Unger was, to me, the biggest surprise of the year

I honestly expected him to be a glaring weak point on a rebuilding line, but he played quite well at times, and managed to stay healthy. Kudos to him for doing whatever he did between last year and this year to make himself a much better lineman.

by Kingdomer on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

I was very skeptical of him starting at center in the preseason but he proved me wrong and I couldn’t be happier.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like we don't have much of a choice when it comes to resigning Marshawn.

He’s the identity of our offense (in a good way) and losing him would be losing our identity. Danny is of course right that there’s room for improvement (cathedrals worth) but without Marshawn we would be taking a big step backward and we really can’t afford all things considered.

I know that I’m preaching to the choir and that I probably don’t have to worry too much. He should be back. I just thought I’d throw it out there since we’re talking offense.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Personally, I wouldn't

despite my ire with Bevel, I think we should keep this ball rolling. If anything, we could boot Cable up to that position and still keep him as assistant HC, right?

Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

The parallels between SF and Sea are interesting

let’s see if PCJS can do this in sometime less than a decade. Also, off topic, but…

What is that chick in red doing, exactly? Suspicious.

Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

We're far from the only team looking to ground and pound

I know Atlanta is an obvious comparison, but I fear that comparison somewhat because Atlanta can not function without its ground game. It has no fallback plan, as several defenses showed extensively throughout the season. It is, in other words, a very weak offense.

I can’t help but think of the Chargers, though. Weird, I know. Air Coryell, prolific passer. But they’re not a team that wants to pass. They’re a team that wants to ground and pound. But they flex in and out of styles as situations and players change. Pretty neat!

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 10, 2012 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

Obviously. And that's my point

I don’t think these type of offenses work in a championship-making way.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 10, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

T-jack to Lockette = Super Bowl

you know it

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Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 10, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I dream about having Rivers

I’m not sure why I’m fixated on him — it’s not like I wouldn’t love to have Brees or another elite QB — but I keep wishing we somehow ended up with Rivers. Maybe it’s because the poor guy seems stuck on a team that isn’t going anywhere, and, much as everyone thinks he’s a giant douche, he unquestionably works hard and does everything he can to win.

I mean hell, Chargers, if you aren’t going to do something useful with the guy, let us give him a try!

by Optic on Jan 10, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

quote: "I don't fault Pete Carroll taking this route, given the talent available to him. "

From everything I’ve heard out of Pete, this choice of offensive philosophy isn’t a result of what’s available, but what he wants to do. They’re very consciously building a run-first, stop-the-run team for the long haul.

by djafrot on Jan 10, 2012 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

I am certainly afraid so

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 10, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Conversely, I don't think he really has the leeway with the type of culture he's installing to say

‘Shit…okay…you all are stopgaps, QBOTF FTW!!!’
To me it seems like he’s backed himself into a corner somewhat because of a combination of things, including the culture like I said and the initial direction that he wanted to go with what he had available.

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Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 10, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

What's he gonna say?

“We’re inevitably gonna run a second-rate offense like every team does until, like every other team, we luck into an elite passer” perhaps?

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Jan 10, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't understand.

I didn’t say anything about “second rate”, I was talking about style of offense. He’s not choosing this style because he lacks a great quarterback, he’s choosing this style because he wants to run the ball first, and focus on defense and special teams first. At least, these are the words that are coming out of his mouth.

by djafrot on Jan 10, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, right.

Sorry for not making my point clear. I totally agree these are the words coming out of his mouth, I just don’t totally believe him. I think the lack of a great QB has a lot to do with it. There is a very good chance I’m wrong of course.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Jan 10, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Pete sounds very, very sincere when you listen to him.

But honestly, at the same time, he sure seems to say a lot of things that you wouldn’t think he would say. It’s kinda weird. I can’t think of an example… maybe the way he talked about Hass last year.

by djafrot on Jan 10, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I was speaking in reference to the similarities to what SF and Alex Smith are doing.

In general though, Pete wants balance, and always has. That doesn’t mean he wants his QB to be so marginal though in terms of passing and scoring against all logic – in the ‘glory years’ at USC from 2003 – 2005 Leinart scored more than 30 touchdowns each year – throwing 38 TDs in ‘03. For comparison, Matt Barkley threw 39 TD this year. So, my point was more that if he has the talent at QB, it’s not like he ignores it. That’s my hope, anyway.

by Danny Kelly on Jan 10, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Pete talked about exactly this in his postseason presser.

He said, quite specifically, that he wants his teams to run the ball well, play great defense, and play great special teams. “If you find that hall of famer [quarterback], that’s great” was the quote that followed.

A reporter asked him about the very fact that his college teams had prolific quarterbacks, to which he replied that those teams ran the ball well first.

I see your point about the “if he has talent at QB” mentality. However, this isn’t USC, this is the NFL. It’s not like he can just show up at the draft and have Will Ferrell pull in all the good athletes for him, he’s going to have to go out and get this talent. And he’s clearly of the mindset that said QB is basically the fourth out of four priorities.

by djafrot on Jan 10, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Just to be clear, I'm not totally against the philosophy.

I like teams that can run the ball well, it’s fun to watch. It makes you feel tough to watch tough football… “YEAH LET’S KICK THEIR ASS! NO WUSSY PASSING GAME, FUCK THAT WEAK SHIT!”.

It just strikes me that the league is changing, quite quickly, to favour the passing offenses (check out all the records being broken), and Pete might be stuck in the past a little. I sure hope not. I hope that, like you said, it’s just a matter of him playing with what he’s got. It makes more sense, it just doesn’t look like it’s the case.

by djafrot on Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The Seahawks aren't the only team that has had trouble finding a great QB.

I don’t think it’s as simple of a deduction as: the Seahawks want to be effective in multiple phases of the game and don’t have a future hall of fame quarterback on the roster nor have they found one in two seasons, plus Pete Carroll is the coach, = ’he’s clearly of the mindset’ that QB is a low priority.

Regardless of if that’s true or not, I would hope you believe that John Schneider is looking, even if by some moronic illogical and insane mistake that Pete isn’t. Teams will search for decades for those guys that will lead them to multiple championships, and by definition they’re extremely rare.

So going back to Pete’s coachspeak presser, in my opinion, what he is saying is that while they’re certainly going to look hard for that player, he’s going to have a contingency plan in place in case they can’t find a future hall of fame quarterback in the next draft or free agency period. Which is highly improbable, for any team.

Running the ball well and having an elite QB aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact, the Saints were 6th in the NFL in rushing this year. Having an elite quarterback and an elite defense aren’t mutually exclusive, either.

Everyone has their opinion of Pete and that’s fine – I just think it’s silly to think that he doesn’t give a crap about who is playing QB. His record and coaching career don’t indicate that at all, even if his coachspeak leads us to believe so.

by Danny Kelly on Jan 10, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

well said danny

one elite QB enters the league every 2-3 years, and NFL teams are very bad at identifying who it will be. Of course PC wants the best QB in the league, but I think PC and JS have a realistic view of the odds of drafting an elite QB (199 total QBs drafted in 15 years, 40 first round picks, and only 5 or 6 are considered elite), and the risk of selling out a draft in which there is no reasonable way to determine if there even is an elite QB.

On the other point you make, I think GB is exactly the type of team PC and JS want to build – a team so loaded with talent and depth on offense, defense, and special teams that you can win the Super Bowl with 11 players on IR and losing your best DB at halftime, and a team so loaded its backup QB can post one of the 30 best QB performances in the history of the NFL in his second start ever (is Flynn that good, or is the personnel that GB has accumulated that good?).

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by pqlqi on Jan 10, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

At this point, it's not a manner of deduction, it's of listening to him talk.

Listen to the postseason presser, he’s pretty defensive about his philosophy (a few reporters were getting on him about QB, and you could tell he’d heard it from them before) and spells it out pretty clearly. It sure didn’t sound like he was building run-first “just for now”, or some kind of “contingency plan”. It sounded like a definite explication of the kind of team he wants to build.

I think you’re taking what I say a little too strongly. It’s not a black or white issue, that he “doesn’t give a crap who is playing QB”. He simply is a fan of the old-school, run-first mentality, that’s all. He’s said pretty specifically that it’s “great” to have that “hall of famer” at quarterback, but it’s not essential, which leads me to think that quarterback is one of the last pieces on his agenda.

For the record, I’m not sure why all talk about quarterbacks ends up being an all-or-none scenario in which every person who thinks a given team should make a move for a good quarterback is looking for a “hall of famer”. I think we all realize how rare a Rodgers/Brees/Rivers/Peyton is, and we’re not expecting that. We’d be just fine, at this point, with Flacco/Rothlisberger/Hasselbeck/Eli.

by djafrot on Jan 10, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, fair enough.

And for sure, I would agree that a balanced offense in the ultimate long-term goal – definitely. I think that I probably just hung on your “fourth out of four” priority sentence and just disagree with that assessment on what he’s saying, though obviously Carroll has probably purposefully left it open for interpretation.

And, I feel you about the last paragraph – I’d take a Roethlisberger any day, I only used ‘hall of famer’ because that’s what you referenced above as Pete Carroll’s quote. Regardless, it’s all about how you interpret his comments and I just see it differently, though don’t necessarily blame people for getting nervous about it.

by Danny Kelly on Jan 11, 2012 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Last year he said that the QB was the most important player on the team

and that it would be worth selling the house to get the right one. These aren’t the words of a coach who doesn’t think QBs are important.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Good Write Up

And a very true statement about the talent available.

The stats are ugly, especially at offense, but it is a good point to bring up that there are similar offenses having success in the league. One more year of putting talent on the field, and my bet is the philosophy will be similar, but a little more flexible, as Beekers Charger reference comes to mind.

Playing the hand you are dealt isn’t the worst thing in the world, as long as you survive long enough to get the BIG hand that is coming down the way (IE Barkley)

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by JRock419 on Jan 10, 2012 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

I would say that Tarvaris Jackson has probably peaked.

60.2% completions isn’t too shabby and 13 interceptions over 450 pass attempts isn’t terrible, so it’s not like his “peak” was even that bad. We’ve seen a lot worse. I’d say he was better than Joe Flacco this year, which I would have never guessed. But I’m also not sure that Jackson was a whole lot better at age 28 than he was at age 24, so I’m not expecting him to get a whole lot better at age 29. Though, I think having a full year under his belt in Seattle as the starter is helpful, I’m not sure it’s going to improve on his faults. It’s not like Seattle had the worst group of offensive players around him, but he wasn’t the most fun to watch out there. At times it was painful.
I’m also just noticing for the first time that he led the league in yards lost on sacks which probably doesn’t surprise anybody.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

...the magical age of 29....I suppose he'll find that fountain of Testosterone again like they say on the radio commercials...

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 10, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Right on with the Steelers comparison.

And the Denver loss had so much to do with a few key injuries… (who else is glad we ignored Ike Taylor in the offseason? and where is that Pittsburgh writer who compared him to Nnamdi? being also a Steeler fan, I’m positive i warned against it back then…)

I think that’s exactly what we want to be. Ground and pound, but with the capacity to go deep. There are a lot of similarities. solid tailback who breaks tackles. big, fast wideouts. punishing secondary.

and of course there are holes to fill to make it happen, but only a few: obviously a QB who can sit in the pocket long enough for things to develop downfield. and a pass rush. the steelers design blitzes using their depth at linebacker. (and obviously using a 3-4) that’s the place where Pete seems to stray. he’s more about DE blitzing. is that something that we’ll look to change? do we need to find guys who can pressure from the LB position?

you look at the roster, and really, if you make a list of “things we need to make the playoffs” it’s really just two things, assuming you retain the current talent:

1) a QB with pocket presence
2) a pass rush

everything else is nitpicky. that’s all we need to be playoff caliber. that’s all we need to measure up with any other team in the playoffs, each with their own flaws.

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by Lucas Cervi on Jan 10, 2012 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

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Consider it Spun: The 5 Worst Moves of Carroll and Schneider Era in Seattle
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Plaxico Burress: viable option, or over the hill?
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Portland Seahawks Fans: Where You Be?
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Should Seattle Go After Kellen Winslow?
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Football where the head is sacred

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