Seattle Seahawks: Don't Be the Bucs Part 2. Say Goodbye to Yesterday.
There's the plan that you should follow and the plan that fails miserably that you should learn from. If Christopher Nolan is hired to do his own Batman trilogy, a well-established franchise that has seen both success and failure, he can use the original Batman as a guide to what works and use George Clooney's nipples as a guide to what does not.
The Packers, Patriots, and Saints are examples of how to build a dynasty that works year in and year out. (I use the term dynasty loosely, based on how hard it is to win multiple Super Bowls.) The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are an example of how a house of cards can fall with the slightest misstep.
In part one, I talked about re-signing Marshawn Lynch and adding critical depth to an important position. Nobody would claim that running back was a problem for Seattle in 2011, but just because it's not a problem now doesn't mean you ignore it and assume all is good. Remember when we had an amazing linebacker core that would be the most solid part of our defense for a decade?
Don't assume that what you are today will be what you are tomorrow.
After the 2010 season had ended, the Bucs made it a priority to re-sign one of their greatest defensive players of all-time, Ronde Barber. It was only a one year deal and the Bucs were already one of the youngest teams in the league, so what harm could it do to bring back one of your greatest players of all time?
Don't assume that what you are today will be what you are tomorrow.
I'm not really going to get into the performance of Ronde Barber in 2010 and 2011 for several reasons: one, because I'm not enough of an expert to really give a great opinion on the matter. And two, because that's not the point I'm really trying to make.
We all know by now that Barber isn't close to being the player that he once was. In 2001, he intercepted 10 passes and deflected 24. That's ridiculous. Today, he's more like the third-best corner on the team, and his job isn't to stop the opposing number one wide receiver anymore.
What's the lesson then? What is wrong with bringing back a fan-favorite and team legend? Well, nothing is inherently wrong with it, but at the same time, why bring him back at all if he's just a situational corner and you're not relying on him to be the number one? What are the reasons?
These are the only reasons I can think of to have brought back Ronde Barber for the 2011 season:
- He's a team legend. Barber has been with the Bucs since 1997 and he carried himself from being a third round pick out of Virginia to being a 5-time Pro Bowler and 3-time All-Pro and potential Hall of Famer. The last time he missed a start was 1999.
- Raheem Morris loved him and they have been described as "best friends."
- Setting records. By starting all 16 games this year, Barber passed Derrick Brooks for most starts in team history.
- Veteran leadership. Going into the 2011 season, the Bucs were the youngest team on offense, defense, and special teams. Barber, Earnest Graham, Albert Haynesworth, and Jeff Faine were the only players on the team this year that had turned 30. Barber was the only player over 31.
- Fan favorite.
What do all of those reasons have in common? None of them are enough to warrant bringing a player back, even if it's in a smaller role, even if it's on a one-year contract.
The only one that might even hold a little bit of water is the veteran leadership, but then one has to wonder, "If it mattered so much, then why did they lose 10 straight games?" As good of a guy as Ronde may be, as excellent an example as he may set, as much as he may have to teach, it wasn't enough to keep Tampa Bay from being one of the worst teams in the league.
The fact that the Bucs were the youngest team in the league wasn't affected positively or negatively by the presence of Barber. Without Barber, they would have just been slightly younger, but would it have harmed them to give his roster spot to a player that was younger and cheaper? And if it would have harmed them, how much worse could it have gotten?
Don't take this as an indictment of Barber or that he was in any way, shape, or form, the reason that the Bucs had a terrible 2011 season. Instead, think of it as an example of "why do that?"
The Bucs may have thought that their 10-6 record in 2010 was a sign that they were only a couple of pieces away from taking the next step and that keeping Barber around would have helped lead the young team to the playoffs, but that ignores the fact that they were flirting with a losing record last season.
Of their first five wins, they beat the Browns, Bengals, Rams, and Cardinals by a combined 10 points. The other win was a 13 point victory over the Panthers, the worst team in the NFL. Those five wins were interspersed by blowout losses to the Steelers and Saints. Another sign that the Bucs weren't only one or two pieces away from being a playoff team, but that they were very far away from being an elite team.
So you're on a Seahawks website right? Let me check...
Field Gulls... like "field goals"... which is football... right sport... oh but "gulls" like seagulls... sea-birds... oh its a pun... got it....
Yep, it's a Seahawks website, so what does this have to do with Seattle?
First off, how far are the Hawks from being a playoff contender? Let's set our expectation phasers to "realistic" and find that Seattle wasn't even a 10-6 team like Tampa was, but a 7-9 team with a losing record. I feel good about the direction of the team, but the Hawks have work to do.
The "strong finish" to the season was marred by losses to San Francisco and Arizona that can't be forgotten. A loss is a loss. Though, at this point I'm kind of happy that we lost those games and got a higher draft pick. It's not like a 7-9 team can't go 11-5 next year.
But Seattle can't pretend that the "good feeling" is a strong indication of a team that's on the edge of greatness. The best run in the season had wins over the Ravens (good!), two wins over the Rams (ehhh), and wins over Vince Young and Caleb Hanie (ohhh..)
The early season win over the Giants was stunning and felt like a monkey off of our backs, but while New York is a good team, they also got swept by the Redskins. They can beat anyone and they also seem like a team that can lose to anyone. The Giants were almost the first team to lose to the Dolphins and that was also at home.
Like Tampa Bay in 2010, the Seahawks should see that their 2011 season was a step in the right direction but the team isn't yet knocking on the door of being a dominant team. They need help in several areas, not just quarterback. (Though I concede that getting a top QB can solve a LOT of problems.)
Also like the Bucs, Seattle is young. The only players to play significant time this season that have turned 30 are Robert Gallery, Chris Clemons, Jon Ryan, and Raheem Brock. Marcus Trufant turned 31 on Christmas.
Which brings me to the player I've been building up to for most of this article. Trufant is a fan favorite. He's a Seahawks-lifer and a local legend in terms of his entire football career in the state of Washington. It felt great when the Hawks drafted him in the first round in 2003, and I've enjoyed watching his career in Seattle.
I don't know what Trufant's plans are exactly when his rehab is complete, though it sounds like he wants to return to Seattle and play again, which isn't surprising. I don't know what the front offices ideas are in bringing him back on any kind of deal. The only thing about that is, like Barber, I can't think of a single good reason to do it.
That probably won't sit well with a lot of Seattle fans, but it's the truth. I love Marcus Trufant, but the Hawks aren't trying to win the Love Bowl. (Note to self: Love Bowl, starring Renee Zelwegger and Jack Black as a pair of opposing league bowlers that fall in love.)
The Hawks are trying to win the Super Bowl, and I'm not entirely sure how this version of Trufant fits into that. Apply all of those rules to Barber above to Trufant:
- He's a team legend. Though Trufant doesn't have nearly the historical record that Barber does, and he's not the same caliber of player that Barber once was, we have a lot of great memories with him in Seattle. Memories won't get us anywhere in 2012.
- The coaches may love him and he may love the coaches, but never bring anyone onto your team as a personal favor. Emotions have no place in business transactions.
- Setting records? Well, I'm not sure that Trufant is on pace to set any records if he returns, but he's been the best corner Seattle has had in the last 15 years.
- Fan favorite. Again, it doesn't matter what the fans think, honestly. Who cares what we want? John Schneider and Pete Carroll should never do anything to appease us, they should only do what's going to help the team win.
- Veteran leadership. Being the oldest player on the team doesn't mean a whole lot. The front office pays the coaches hundreds of thousands of dollars (or millions) each in order to be the leaders and put the guys in the right place. Ray Lewis may be a great leader of men, but he wouldn't have the same place on the Ravens if he couldn't also still play at a high level. If you want Trufant to teach the young corners, then offer him a coaching contract. Seattle needs players that can play at a high level. It's not about getting older, it's about getting better. Green Bay has proven that.
Trufant has had a very similar career to that of Shawn Springs. The Hawks moved on from Springs after the 2003 season and two years later they were in the Super Bowl. Not that getting rid of Springs had anything to do with their success after they separated, but only a point that it didn't hurt Seattle to say goodbye to their top corner and instead rely on young players like Trufant and Ken Lucas.
The Hawks have a long list personnel decisions to make, including with their own free agents. There's a few guys I really don't want to see leave. There's a few guys that I really don't want to see return. None of those decisions are made on emotion or history though.
This isn't anything against Trufant. This isn't a plea to not re-sign him. It's only a question of bringing him back for one reason and one reason only: because he makes the 2012 team better on the field. I have my doubts that he can do that, but I put my trust into the front office to make the right decision and to not appease me anyway.
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I am with you in thinking
that as much as I love Tru, he costs too much to be our nickel corner. I would like to believe Sherman and Browner improve this offseason and start next year. Roy Lewis did a fine job as the nickel back this past year while being cheap. We have yet to really see how Thurmond and Maxwell fit in as well.
by Neonjerseysplease on Jan 10, 2012 2:58 PM PST reply actions
Am I the only one that thinks Roy Lewis didn't do a "fine" job?
It seemed like he was always getting beat for a 3rd down conversion.
I do agree with you partly,
he did get beat a few times, and I remember yelling at him multiple times. I do think he is a serviceable nickel corner in that he does make some plays and is generally solid.
With that being said, if we got someone else to fill that void, then by all means let’s try it out.
by Neonjerseysplease on Jan 10, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Dunno, would have to scouutttttt it out
First impressions is he did fine.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 10, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
I'd also like to add that in my vocabulary
fine is equivalent to acceptable, which is what Roy Lewis was, in my view.
by Neonjerseysplease on Jan 10, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
While I agree with you that bringing back a veteran just to bring him back is bad form
I don’t think that’s what happened with Ronde Barber. This is the same regime that cut Derrick Brooks, after all, keeping people because they’re legends isn’t what they do.
Ronde Barber had real value as a football player to the team. He wasn’t close to the player he used to be, but he was still the second-best cornerback on the team and performed a valuable role, even if he’s clearly declining.
Thank you.
I consider your opinion of Ronde Barber to be more valuable than my opinion, obviously, but I guess what I would wonder about is how much emotions got in the way. Is it true that him and Raheem Morris are “best friends” and that Barber is considering retirement now because Morris was fired? In a completely non-emotional based roster move, would it be wise to give Barber a $4 million salary (16th highest among cornerbacks) to do what he did on the field? Maybe the answer is yes, but I would usually lean towards “I can get that for $400k” unless there was a strong belief that Barber was one of the most valuable players on the defense.
I don’t think that salary allocation in football is as important as it is in baseball, but I do think that it’s important and I wonder what a completely emotionless salary for a player of Barber’s age and current ability would be.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
And when I really think about it, if there was no bonus and he got paid straight $4 million, that's a good deal...
I just hadn’t seen much evidence from the research I had done (and I tried to do as much as I could) that Barber had much left to give on the field. And then trying to just formulate one general idea of “Moving on from veterans and giving those roster spots to players with potential to do more” which the Packers and Patriots have a history of doing.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to just keep talking myself here...
I don’t think that I would have given $4 million to Barber, but without a bonus, it makes him cheaper than a few other corners beyond just being the “16th highest paid CB in the league” but it still makes him $3.5 million more than a rookie.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
To answer your questions
Yes, Ronde Barber and Raheem Morris are very close and he has said that his decision on retirement would be influenced by Raheem Morris status as a head coach. Raheem Morris didn’t make the decision to bring him back, though – GM Mark Dominik did that. From what we know, Morris tried to get another couple of players re-signed (Barrett Ruud, Cadillac Williams) and Mark Dominik didn’t do that. So I don’t know to what extent that emotional connection played a role.
That said, I’d agree with you that $4 million is a little much to pay the guy. His best assets right now are covering tight ends in nickel packages and that he’s not E.J. Biggers. The Bucs do a lot of things with him in the scheme in terms of blitzing, moving him around, having him play safety etc, but it wasn’t all that effective. What he did this year wasn’t worth $4 million in and of itself. But, the Bucs would have struggled to replace him with the talent they had, and bringing in someone new wasn’t on their radar(especially with that shortened offseason). They didn’t really need to skimp on cash or cap charges either (ended up around $35 million under the cap, IIRC). Ultimately the Bucs carried 6 cornerbacks, and Ronde was clearly the second-best cornerback of the group.
All that to say: eh. I don’t think it was a bad decision to bring back Ronde for that much money. It wasn’t a great decision either. It was kind of…eh.
Thanks!
I’m so happy we have this network of blogs to give a well-rounded opinion!
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Sander is a mommafucking boss
Turned Bucs Nation from a small slowly-updating blog into one of the best on SBN. Plus he’s my sounding board for all things American Football, I even think I’ve cited him a few times in stories.
Dutch Football Analyst Power.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 10, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, I'm very impressed with what I see on Bucs Nation.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Something just sounds wrong about that word.
The one in your subject line.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Boss?
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 10, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty sure he means "is"
Completely unnecessary.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 10, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for dropping in.
Pewter is awesome.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Especially compared to creamsicle.
"Baseball isn't the world's best distraction, but only because it's so easy to start a fire." --Jeff Sullivan
by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 11, 2012 4:46 AM PST up reply actions
Don't diss the creamsicle
Second-best uniform after neon green.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 11, 2012 6:21 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed completely.
I miss the creamsicle. Awesome and unique.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Browner and Sherman make this easier..
The upside of WTIII does as well.
As of now, we haber our clear starters, and our depth (right?).
I like Tru, but if I’ve learned anything in football, it’s that you can’t get too attached to aging players.
Ka-Kaaa!
by JerryNice on Jan 10, 2012 3:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There aren't clear starters ever in Pete's regime.
But the trio of Browner, Sherman and WTIII is a solid core – I think Tru played himself out of a role, and the emergence of the three didn’t help.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
At what price do you see Trufant staying with the team?
I think that if he re does his contract to something more reasonable that we are not likely find a better corner for the money. I realize we struck gold with two starters this season but how often is that likely to happen? Having four starting caliber corners isn’t a bad thing, even if one of them is average. We have enough holes to fill with out looking to draft any more CB depth if we can sit tight for another season or two at the position.
Honestly, zero price.
If Tru signed a 1-year, $3 million base salary contract, you’re paying a #3 or #4 corner $3 million, which might mean you’ve got the highest paid #3 or #4 corner in the league. I’m not sure how that ever works as a business model. He’s been around the league for too long for me to assume he’ll sign a super cheap deal and I think it goes to the Packers model of “out with the old and in with the new” without any emotional attachment.
If we honestly viewed Trufant objectively, I don’t think there’s any question about it. It’s not about what he is in comparison to what we have or what we might have, its about paying him what he’s worth and I don’t think that the gap there can be bridged, though maybe I am wrong.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Thats a good point I didn't really think of it in those terms.
I was thinking more along the line of we have lots of cap room and as long as it doesn’t impact our ability to sign/retain anyone else. I really felt like Roy Lewis was ineffective.
I don't disagree with the philosophy.
Bargains are great. I read Moneyball twice and recommend the book or the movie to anyone. Maximize value. But we’re not talking about Shaun Alexander money here; we’re talking about, maybe, spending a million or so greater than market value. True bargains don’t normally present themselves on the free agent market; that’s what the late rounds of the draft are for. With veterans, you have to accept that you’ll need to pay somewhere near market value.
When we were looking at free agents like Sidney Rice, people were tossing around numbers with a margin of error well over a million; is he worth $8 million per year, $12 million per year, something else? $15 million in total guarantees, $25 million in total guarantees? Ultimately the team was able to top the market — it had to bid high to win his services — and I think we were all pretty happy about the deal. Might it have been a million or three above his “intrinsic” value? Who knows?
So, back to Trufant, who is neither a premium player like Rice, nor a perceived premium player like Alexander, but still desirable to some extent. Maybe we go a million dollars over his real “intrinsic” value. Is that going to bust the cap? Maybe it means that next year we have to cut the lowest-ranking veteran on the team, a Jimmy Wilkerson or his 2012 equivalent, and keep the 7th round pick instead — if indeed we come to that, and the team is pushing the cap, which won’t necessarily be the case. I think we’ll survive. If they have to pay full price or even slightly overpay once in a while, this is the kind of guy I want to pay for.
(Not to pick on Wilkerson… I just never got to see what he can do. Maybe he turns out to be very good.)
by Suburban Shocker on Jan 10, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Or, if you want to ignore my big wall of text,
here is my take-home message: bargains are what the late rounds of the draft are for. (And early rounds too, with the new CBA, I guess.) For veteran free agents, you’ll have to pay something pretty close to market value. Occasionally you might have to splurge a little for one, which is okay as long as it’s by a small amount (say 1% of the salary cap). And when you do, let it be for a guy like Trufant.
by Suburban Shocker on Jan 10, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
You're right, there's not a lot of risk in re-signing him if the deal is right.
I also don’t see a lot of reward. I think we are basing a lot of that potential reward on the fact that he’s here. That he’s a Seahawk. That he’s been here since 2003. On emotion. But why? If Marcus Trufant was a lifelong Charger and San Diego let him go, would he be the kind of player that Seattle would target? That they should target?
All that being said, I don’t think a lot of people are worried about the “Marcus Trufant situation!” and it’s not a big deal, but the idea of non-emotional roster moves is important even though there’s no evidence that Seattle is operating in that way, anyway. Just a little nugget of an idea that I fleshed out today and there will be more important nuggets down the road.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
league minimum salary for Trufant will be $940K
and the cost of signing trufant would also mean a roster spot for a player the FO would want to develop. Would the dropoff in talent from Trufant to a raw rookie be greater than that cost? On the other hand, is it a better choice to bring back Tru on a renogotiated contract and jettison Lewis to get that free roster spot for development – would Tru make a better 4th corner in terms of team competitiveness?
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Let's think about it this way: Was there anything in Trufant's play in 2010, and/or the few weeks he was healthy this season, to convince the Seahawks to keep him around?
I know there are a lot of outside factors that contribute to how well a corner plays in out Tampa 2 defense, and the coaches may see things in practice that we don’t and blah blah blah…..there has been more than an insignificant amount of time that Marcus Trufant has been healthy during the last two seasons, and let’s just say there hasn’t been anything remotely impressive that’s been burned into my memory. He’s better than Kelly Jennings, and…..what? Why should we keep him?
The only two reasons I can think of to keep him is (a.) he’s not so old that it’s unlikely he cannot find his 2005-2008 ability again, and (b.) it’s not like there’s a ton of freely-available cornerback talent out there. And those two reasons are barely strong enough to convince me to keep him at the vet’s minimum, let alone the actual contract he’s signed to right now.
Yes, Carroll employs some form of it for the secondary.
My point is, not every corner plays equally as well in all the different kinds of defenses that teams employ throughout the NFL; even Carroll’s Tampa 2 differs from the version Holmgren and Mora employed (but don’t ask me for details).
We don't run the Tampa 2 defense.
We run a man-press scheme base defense, and only rarely drop into zone shells.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 10, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
To help me remember, let's just call that "Orlando 2"
Also, none of this is germane to the topic at hand.
And thank god for that
Got so sick of the crappy bend then break zone defense.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
The "break all the time" defense from last year
where we gave up big plays all over the place in blowouts wasn’t much fun either. Luckily, we now have the personnel to play better D.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 11, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I think I agree with the sentiment of your article...
I’m just not sure I’m getting all of the logic applied. You state, "The only one that might even hold a little bit of water is the veteran leadership, but then one has to wonder, “If it mattered so much, then why did they lose 10 straight games?”
Well, obviously they didn’t know they were going to lose 10 straight games. Are you arguing that they lost 10 because they had veteran leadership? Or that it had no impact at all? It’s likely they brought him back because he DID provide veteran leadership to the 2010 team, which was even younger.
It’s definitely hard to know when to let go – and hanging on an extra year is often bad for your roster. (See Alexander, Shaun). This FO has proven it’s willing to move on by letting go of Lofa, Matt, and Milloy. Two of those were arguably Pete’s guys.
by PerryCollective on Jan 10, 2012 3:44 PM PST reply actions
I will try to clarify, as you're right, that may sound confusing.
I think that Ronde Barber is probably one of the nicest guys in the league. I went over to the Bucs blog today and saw that the players awarded him the “Ed Block Courage Award” this season, which shows me that during one of the hardest seasons they’ve had in years, Barber might have been one of the lone bright spots. A guy who exemplified what it is to be an NFL player and a man. So, how can that possibly be a bad thing?
It’s not a bad thing at all. It also didn’t stop them from losing their last 10 games and getting blown out down the stretch while having an awful defense. How do you measure Barber’s impact in the locker room? How do you put a price tag on that? I wouldn’t even know where to begin with an answer for that, so I’d rather just not put a price tag on it at all and focus on what I can put price tags on.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't say "the Hawks moved on from Springs."
Springs moved on from the Hawks; they tried to re-sign him but were outbid. Springs even made some derogatory comments about his experience in Seattle, comparing it to living in Egypt. Whatever. Obviously the team did just fine, but it wasn’t a matter of simply letting the past go.
Regardless, this is about 2012 and Trufant. It’s all a question of what his role is; if Trufant can enter a graceful decline, transition into a more appropriate role as a nickel or dime back, and accept this fact and remain a strong leader, then wonderful. I don’t think the team will try to make him a starter again (assuming Browner is re-signed), so we’re already ahead of the Bucs in that respect.
by Suburban Shocker on Jan 10, 2012 3:54 PM PST reply actions
If Trufant doesn't offer value for money
then he will be cut, this front office haven’t made a sentimental decision to date and Tru won’t be above that. In a way, I could see a parting of ways to be mutually beneficial. There are teams that’ll be in contention for a Superbowl next year like the Patriots, Steelers, and possibly Lions that are crying out for a veteran corner. We’re in the midst of a youth movement in Seattle, and have a plethora of talented and cheap options. The same can’t be said for every team in the league.
Is he worth a low round pick if we restructure his contract?
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Hey if we could trade Kelly Jennings and Aaron Curry away...
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
If they let Lofa Tatupu go
they’ll have no qualms about letting Trufant go. He does not play the physical style of corner that is played by this team now. He is not a great tackler, nor is he a great in-your-face-at-the-line-of-scrimmage player. With his back problems of late I don’t see any reason for him to be signed again.
Common sense isn't.
by Bald Eagle 1313 on Jan 10, 2012 4:29 PM PST reply actions
Tru is still under contract
They don’t have to resign, they have to restructure or he could be next years Tatupu.
by spokahawk on Jan 10, 2012 4:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
But, but, but...
It’s so hard to say goodbye to yesterday.

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 10, 2012 5:01 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
As usual, they were my inspiration.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
I'm jealous of their coordination.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I actually thought of the Master P version
“Goodbye to my Homies”
Which is much funnier, because instead of Boyz II Men singing the hook, it’s the in-house No Limit Records vocalists.
I THOUGHT WE’D GETTTTT
TO SEE FOREVERRRRR
BUT FOR EVERRRRRRSSS GONE, UHHHHHHH-UH-UH-UH-WAAAAAAAYYYY
AND IT’S SO HARD….TO SAY GOODBYYYE…TO MY HOMIEEEEEEEEEEEAYYYYYYSSSSSS
I'm not ashamed (or at all upset) to say that I never heard that version.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I really think you're on to something
with the Love Bowl
But it can't be about bowling, because then the title makes little sense.
How about a college quarterback falling in love with a cheerleader on the opposing team, right before the championship bowl game? Sign up Channing Tatum and Kristen Stewart, set the game in New Orleans or Miami, and you got a Rom-com that writes itself, with just enough sports to get the boyfriends to come along semi-willingly!
Kristen Stewart a cheerleader?
Nope. You’re gonna have to go blonde for that role.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think this regime will needlessly hold on to past their prime players just because of mamories
See: Kam Chancellor vs Lawyer Milloy.
Having said that, I have no idea what they plan to do with Tru. We almost lost him last year, but he agreed to take a pay cut and a year lopped off the end of his salary (remember, he was signed through 2013). If Seattle wanted to keep him at a high price and not worry about bruising egos, they would’ve. If he comes back, i think it’s highly unlikely he’ll get paid much, and even less likely he’ll get much playing time. Not worried at all on this one. Tru’s a great guy, but I don’t see him beating out the competition next year.
I disagree with you about Trufant being a fan favorite.
I haven’t met many fans outside of the Seattle area who feel strongly about him one way or the other. I’ve lived out of state/country most of his career and have never been impressed. I thought Pete Carroll would cut him as soon as he took over. I can’t see the Hawks bringing him back. Our shiny new corners have more potential and upside than he ever did (sad considering he was a 1st rounder and they are not).
Anyway, great article Kenneth. I always enjoy reading your stuff man. Keep it up!
Whoa
Sacramento Kings and Seattle Seahawks fan in OKC
by rockrichmond2 on Jan 10, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
What?
Trufant isn’t exactly Walter Jones or Steve Largent. He’s been a solid producer but by no means a “fan favorite” the way that Ronde Barber was for the Bucs.
I think he has definitely been a fan favorite.
Walking around the CLink you will always see a great deal of Trufant jerseys. It isn’t like he is Matt Hasselbeck or Lofa, but people really like him considering he is a “hometown” guy. I would also dispute that he never lived up to his first round potential, He was a valuable #1 corner for many years before injuries and age slowed him down.
I wouldn't see THAT many at CLink or Qwest.
Of course I have only gone to one game a year since 2007. I said I think Browner, Thurmond, and Sherman have more potential and upside than he had. I never said he didn’t live up to his potential. He was a solid corner but never a true shutdown corner. I think maybe the hometown hero thing plays in Seattle but again I haven’t lived in the area for years so it means absolutely nothing to me. I just want to win and if that means we get rid of Trufant or whomever is getting old then so be it. I think most Seahawks fan can agree with this sentiment.
Oh I agree that we shouldn't let emotional attachments get in the way of improving.
Plus he is a Coug
Which makes him even more of a fan favorite
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
The Bucs... three years later
=2008=
TB – Jon Gruden(HC)- fired after the season, Monte Kiffin(DC), Raheem Morris(DB), Gus Bradley(LB), Todd Wash(DL)
SEA – Mike Holmgren(HC) – final year
OAK – Lane Kiffin(HC)- fired during the season, Tom Cable(interim HC)
USC – Pete Carroll(HC)
GB – John Schneider & Reggie McKenzie – co-Director of Football Operations
Three years later…
=2011=
TB – Raheem Morris(HC) – just got fired
SEA – John Schneider(GM), Pete Carroll(HC), Tom Cable(OL), Gus Bradley(DC), Todd Wash(DL)
OAK – Hue Jackson(HC) – just got fired by new GM “Reggie McKenzie”
USC – Lane Kiffin(HC), Monte Kiffin(DC)
Everything changes really fast… what will be 2014?
I think Tom Cable will get a shot somewhere as a HC by 2014.
I think if USC has another year of success (read as Pac-12 championship game) Lane Kiffin will be safe until 2014.
I wonder how much Cable wants to be the big cheese?
certainly if we see what has happened to the running game continue to progress next year, Cable will be offered some positions. I think Cable probably won’t go to the college game because he doesn’t have the patience for all the bullshit. I think for the same reason, Cable could be happy working for PC for a prolonged period of time, maybe even taking over the HC position when the elder statesman Carroll decides to either hang up the cleats or find a new challenge.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
I agree.
Why leave a great situation for a head role? I imagine it’s “fun” coaching for Pete, and it seems like Cable has had some… “issues” with the strain of head coaching.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
The fun thing wasn't so much my point...but rather
Tom Cable seems more apt as a Drill Sergeant than a Colonel or General. I think he spends a minimum 2 more years learning management and defense from Carroll, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he is just happy to be the Sgt. until he is asked to move on or move up.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Agreed.
“Fun” in quotes doesn’t exactly mean fun like you or I would consider such.
I don’t think Tom Cable has a whole lot of fun in his life. He seems the anti-fun.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
I tend to see this as an empirical question rather than a philosophical one
You always jealously guard roster spots. But I don’t think you need a lot of a priori rules about who that is. You let it play out.
As of right now, Marcus Trufant does not have a roster spot. Presumably, the coaching staff would need to see a use for him relative to what they could get in the draft or on the market. New England, for example, has let lots of guys walk (e.g., Randy Moss) and has hung on to guys long after they were thought to have lost much value (e.g., Troy Brown, Kevin Faulk).
I’m not calling NE infallible. I’m just saying that you can maintain a high level of success without a lot a priori rules about who stays and who goes, especially concerning age.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Alot of things to consider here.
Tru no longer has a starting job regardless of his health. Will he be ok with not starting or maybe he comes to the realization that with his back history being an every down player is not in his best interest. To me our depth at corner is a little scary. WTIII is gonna be coming back from a nasty ankle/leg break which can sometimes be tricky.
Roy in a starting role seems scary and then we have untested Byron Maxwell. If we make some big splashes in free agency and cap room becomes an issue tru is probably a casualty of that. However if we don’t make any big moves and are sitting 15 mil or so under the cap bringing him back may be smart, granted there is some restructuring in his contract.
Terrel Thomas would be exciting in free agency as a physical corner but other than that i dont see Pete throwing money at Cortland Finnegan or Brent grimes and to me the free agency list after that is uninspiring. Though pete may well find his next BB or Sherm this offseason and make the whole point mute.

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