Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: NFL Players Ready To Welcome Gay Teammate

2012 NFL Draft: Potential 5-tech Targets for the Seahawks

R0oc7

"You're little. He's big. Bad news for you."

Check out my LEO and OLB prospects if you haven't already. I think this series has lacked a bit of structure thus far so I'm going to more clearly define these initial posts as potential front-7 prospects, something Pete Carroll has openly identified as an area for improvement this off-season. Next up are the 5-techs. I turned up enough "big bodies" to split the 5-techs and 3-techs into two separate posts.

Our starting 5-tech over the past two seasons has been Big Red Bryant. After being selected by the Hawks with the 121st pick in the 2008 NFL draft as a DT, Bryant failed to make a meaningful impact in his first two seasons. Then along came wise old (sorry Pete) Carroll, who along with then defensive line coach Dan Quinn, made the bat-shit-crazy decision to move a 320+ lb man to DE on a four man front.

Well, it's turned out pretty darn good for all parties involved, excluding opposing rushing attacks of course. Big Red has rejuvenated his career and the Seahawks have had one of the best run defenses in the league with him in the lineup. What especially made this move a winning one how it allowed us to employ an undersized pass rusher for our weakside DE position. Chris Clemons should be counting his lucky stars that we traded for him. He has been exceptional with 24 sacks over the past two seasons.

The Seahawks have carved themselves quite a niche with the marriage of Big Red and Fast Clem. It's the only DE combo of it's kind league wide so far as I know. It's really remarkable. A failed fourth round pick and a conditional pass rusher came together to make one hell of a DE duo.

In the second half of 2010 we learned what happens without Bryant when we lost him to a knee injury and Bantwan Kelmer or whatever his name is replaced him. In response the Hawks signed the monstrous Alan Branch as a back-up who was quickly named the starting 3-tech with Mebane moving to the 1-tech.

Red is now a free agent. We should be able to resign him but even so, I think we will consider 5-tech a position of interest in the draft, especially if we intend to keep Branch as our starting 3-tech. From a rotational standpoint we would absolutely make good use of a 5-tech who could provide a bit more pressure while still holding up against the run. Another factor to consider is the declining performance of the Seahawks' run defense toward the end of this last season. The cause of this decline is unclear but it's certainly possible Big Red became more and more fatigued having never started a full season before and without much of a rotation behind him.

So let's get on to the fun. Many of these guys are listed as DTs but for various reasons I see them fitting better at 5-tech than 3-tech. The most common reason is a lack of girth. All of them could rotate inside on passing downs but I don't see any of them starting there for us unless they can cultivate more mass.

Star-divide

Devon Still (6-4 310) RS Senior from Penn State

The hype machine is on overdrive for Devon Still after an impressive Senior campaign. The positive press is not completely unwarranted but I just think it's a bit overkill. In most drafts Still would be a reach with our 11/12 pick but given the weak talent pool toward the top of the draft he would be a very reasonable selection. Some might be surprised to see me list Still as a 5-tech. In our scheme he would be an excellent fit there, a better fit than at 3-tech in my opinion. He could still start at 3-tech but I'd like to see him add a few more pounds first.

Still became much more consistent off the snap this year which was a big reason for his increased production. He's not especially explosive but once out of his stance he's a real force, often slanting into the backfield or fighting through blocks to disrupt the play. He's huge, strong, and surprisingly quick for his size. That sound familiar? His long, powerful arms help him separate and makes him a very capable arm tackler. My greatest knock on Still is how inconsistent his anchor is. Too often he winds up blown back two or three yards back off the LOS.

Here is a scouting report. Here is a highlight video. Below you can see him in an impressive display against Illinois this year. Here he is against Alabama and here he is against Ohio State, also from this year. Here he is against Alabama and Florida in the Outback Bowl from last year.

Fletcher Cox (6-4 295) Junior from Mississippi State

Fletcher Cox plays on the edge and I don't mean that he rushes from the outside, though he does on occasion. He seems to play totally out of control but the product is definitely intriguing. He's fast and strong with a balls-to-the-wall motor. Cox doesn't have much by way of pass rush moves but he keeps his legs churning on the bull rush and it can be very effective. He also has nice quickness off the snap and can penetrate from the 3-tech spot. What's especially exciting about Cox is that he has plenty of room to fill out his frame.

Cox might need a bit more work than other prospects but his upside is very tantalizing. He will probably be off the board already come our second round pick but if he's still there, he could be an excellent option for us. Here is a scouting report and below you can watch him against South Carolina this year.

Kendall Reyes (6-4 295) RS Senior from Connecticut

Kendall Reyes came to camp his Freshman year at only 245 yet has since grown into a very capable DT. It's possible that he's still growing and that's an exciting thought. Like Still and Cox, Reyes has length and strength and a good short area burst. He flashes some real power in his hands to bully past or control linemen, though not very consistently. Reyes seems more thickly built than others on this list and is thus maybe a bit better suited to move inside if he can continue to add bulk.

Here is a scouting report and below you can watch him against Iowa State this year. Here he is against Southern Florida last year.

Kheeston Randall (6-5 305) Senior from Texas

Kheeston Randall is strong, just as his name suggests. Single blockers don't do much against him. If finding a back-up to Red who hold the point of attack against the run is an objective for us then Randall is a very good option. He was mostly asked to eat up blocks in college but on the occasion where he was set free, he flashed some ability to penetrate with decent overall quickness. I would be interested to see what Randall could do if given more opportunities to make plays.

Here is a scouting report and below you can see him against Oklahoma last year. Here is his 2010 TMBDraft analysis.

Derek Wolfe (6-5 300) Senior from Cincinnati

It's too bad Derek Wolfe is not a better athlete because if he was then he'd be much more highly rated. He has long arms and violent hands which he uses well to separate and make plays in the backfield. He had 9.5 sacks this season and was voted the Big East Defensive POY. Unfortunately I don't think he can make plays at that level in the pros. He's strong but sometimes struggles to hold up against the run and doesn't show any real explosiveness off the snap. Still, he could be solid in a rotation and would offer some more pass rush from the 5-tech.

Below you can see some highlights.

Comment 32 comments  |  2 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Pete is the second oldest HC in the NFL.

Who would have thought that with his youthful attitude and demeanor?

Back to the 5-techs, not sure if any of these guys will be drafted by us, as we already have our supposed backup of Big Red named Pep Levingston. Who knows, it’s not the biggest need per se, but I could be dead wrong.

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Jan 10, 2012 10:20 PM PST reply actions  

We drafted Pep thinking he could back-up Red

but he turned out to be a lot better as a conditional pass rusher from the 3-tech. I don’t know if we’ve abandoned hope for him at 5-tech but that wasn’t what he was used for last year.

5-tech is not a need if we re-sign Red but Pete wants more interior pass rush and there isn’t much depth at 5-tech. Still or Reyes could kill two birds with one stone. Still is a strong option at 11/12 and I’d be thrilled to get Reyes in the third or fourth maybe. Not sure exactly where he’s projected to go. Randall might be a sleeper though.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 10, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Your Acute right?

Another gentleman joins the ‘League of Men with Real Names’.

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Jan 11, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Bah; You're. Don't shoot me!

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Jan 11, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Once again... Good stuff

Great analyses and I don’t want to take away from that, but I’d like to stop you at the point you say “and the Seahawks have has one of the best run defenses in the league with him in the lineup”. I believed this until the season came to a close and I saw the Seahawks fell to 15th in the league in rushing defense. My question is: What happened!? We saw what happened last season when Red Bryant went out of the lineup. The Hawks went from 8th to 20-something. Now, this season didn’t get that bad, but the fall this season makes me question Red’s true value. Only going off my memory and not having a chance to watch all the game film, it seemed like Seattle started to blitz more to get to the QB as the season went on this year. That could undoubtedly have a negative impact on the running game, but it would’ve been nice to see someone like Red or the other big guys in the middle offset this. Anyone have thoughts on the situation or am I just crazy and we actually still have a great run defense?

Again, I don’t want to take anything away from Acute’s scouting because it’s great. But this has been itching at me for a while and felt this was a nice place to voice it without doing a big write-up in the fan posts (time is more limited getting back to school from break). I suppose I might have the time to watch film and post something, but I can’t commit yet.

by SeattleAztec on Jan 10, 2012 10:32 PM PST reply actions  

Red is about as good as they come against the run.

I have a couple theories why we struggled against the run as the year wore on. The first is that we need another run-stuffer to rotate through on the DL. Right now it’s pretty much Mebane, Branch, Red, and then a slew of conditional pass rushers. With another big body to keep at least Branch and Red fresh, I would think that our run D would have a bit more staying power over the course of the year (ie the see list above).

The other factor which I know played a significant role in this is opposing offenses discovering we were much weaker defending the run on the perimeter. The Seahawks only allowed 2.83 YPC on interior rushes which is first in the NFL and not at all surprising. This is absolutely a reason, if not the reason, why Pete wants more speed at LB.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 11, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. Mebane and Red are not responsible for tackles

they are there to require 2 double teams on a run play allowing the LBs better chance at clean lanes to the ballcarrier. Our LBs were well below average, as even Alex Smith was able to get to the edge and turn the corner against them multiple times. Ideally, we upgrade 2 of the 3 LB positions through draft and FA.

In addition, this is Big Red’s first year back from his ACL repair, and I’d expect him to have a big step forward after another offseason of rehab. In basketball especially, year 2 after ACL repair is the year where the leg reaches maximum post-op function.

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Jan 11, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Precisely

I think this is why Carroll mentioned ‘speed at linebacker’ several times in his closing presser. Perimeter runs killed us towards the end of the year.

by Danny Kelly on Jan 11, 2012 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I think there is a balance thing...

as you get bigger up front and bigger in the defensive backfield, you need to be quicker/faster SOMEWHERE to cover the between gaps. That’s where speedy instinctual linebackers are a better fit with our DB’s and large DL than would be three or four giant beastly linebackers.

Not that we wont try to get big fast quick guys, but I just think we’ll go fast and quick before big as we focus in there.

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a good point, though i don't think that's all on Red

But what really surprised and impressed me with this defense, was how well we did against the pass. It’s a passing league, and we ended up 11th in yards (9th in DVOA), with basically two rookie corners and only one adequate pass rusher and few sacks. That’s pretty damn good to me, since our pass defense the past ten years has be a sieve.

Also, Seattle’s rush defense was 10th in DVOA. A lot of that 15th ranking is teams attempting to run on us a lot and pilling up yards. We were 4th in yards per attempt, allowing only 3.8 ypc. That’s pretty good.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 11, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Our safties are why we did so well against the pass.

Our corners have distinct flaws, and advantages in their game-and our safties enhance their advantages and mask their flaws.

That, and big red is an interception machine in the making.

70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

by hazbro24 on Jan 11, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

One shortcoming of DVOA

is that it accounts for strength of schedule (teams faced) but doesn’t take into account personnel fluctuations and we faced an inordinate number of backup QBs this year. For example, DVOA “thinks” we faced productive offenses led (mostly) by Vick and Cutler, even though we played their backups.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 11, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Well sure

But we’ve faced low level QB competition before in the past 20,000 years and still always seem to end up getting lit up and dead last in every passing category. Sniffing the top ten for pass defense is an achievement for this team no matter what.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 13, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Some thoughts on our defensive line play

We also struggled mid season against Dallas. A talented running back and capable offense can overwhelm our line. By the end of the year we just seemed worn down.

Our line was very slow when they had to chase the QB on a roll out, slow to the point of the QB having lots of time to throw down field which increased the pressure on our secondary.

If we have an injury with our starters like last last year, we don’t have quality backups. Also we need to rotate our linemen to keep them fresh.

Alll of that points toward drafting a couple more defensive linemen. We need youth, speed, and a motor that doesn’t quit.

by AlaskaHawk on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

I mostly agree.

However, Clinton McDonald seemed like a quality back-up from what I could tell.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I can only imagine that with a shortened offseason of training

and how hard these guys fight every down, the end of the season can really take a toll.

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Devon Still

I like him. His inconsistency seems to be when he gets too high and lazy. But you see the burst and power quite a bit when he wants to show it. He seems to lack awareness sometimes. I think in the NFL the 5 Tech is probably the perfect spot for him with his height. Only problem I see is we wouldn’t necessarily draft him at 11 or 12 and would the 5 technique be what we are looking for in the 1st round.

by Jazzercise! on Jan 11, 2012 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

I agree, It seems like he is constantly

fighting with his hands for position and pushing his legs or dropping to make a pile if he begins to get beat. I like the way he plays a lot.

Any chance he drops to the 2nd round?

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jan 11, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

No chance at all.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 11, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I get lazy as fuck when I'm too high.

Who doesn’t?

70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.

by hazbro24 on Jan 11, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Worthy?

That Jerel Worthy Michigan State guy.. or is he not someone that would project to the 5 Tech.

by Jazzercise! on Jan 11, 2012 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

Stay tuned for the 3-tech prospects.

Many of those guys could play some 5-tech but project better at 3-tech in my opinion. The guys on this list could play some 3-tech but project better at 5-tech.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 11, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

So...you aren't any relation of old Jim down there in the bay area, are you?

Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters

by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 13, 2012 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

Not that I'm aware of.

Although it’s an uncommon name so who knows.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 13, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No James-Michael Johnson?

Or are you gonna talk about him in another post? He looks like a versatile LB who can play all LB positions (although his primary position is ILB).

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Jan 13, 2012 6:45 PM PST reply actions  

Bah, Wrong fanpost.

Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter

by RagingAlot on Jan 13, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

SEA!

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Just How Much Do Close Games Matter Anyway?
Small
Help Me Understand How Irvin Will be Used
Turbin_game_uni_small
Hand Size and Quarterbacks
Einstein_www-txt2pic-com_small
On Pete Carroll and Previous QB Competitions

Recent FanPosts

Avatar_small
The OT Thread---12thrs, Assemble!
Horsey_small
Results from the 2012 Armchair GM Championship
Tasb_logo_small
Consider it Spun: The 5 Worst Moves of Carroll and Schneider Era in Seattle
Small
Plaxico Burress: viable option, or over the hill?
Small
Portland Seahawks Fans: Where You Be?
Small
Should Seattle Go After Kellen Winslow?
Small
Football where the head is sacred

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managing Editor/Lead Writer

Screen_shot_2012-05-04_at_10 Danny Kelly

Staff Writers/Editors

Screen_shot_2011-01-05_at_9 Scruffy Lefty

Small BrianL

Avatar_small Benne

Olympiabeer_small Tyler Jorgensen

Madhatter_small Thomas Beekers

Profilepic_small DJ C-Raig

897267_o_small Kenneth Arthur

Sbn_pic_small Jacson Bevens

Photo__1__small Charlie Todaro

Staff Writers

Small Joshua Kasparek

Photo_small Matt Erickson

Davis_small Davis Hsu

Profile2_small Rob Staton

208114_505637750968_23709013_30160241_9483_n_small Scott Enyeart

Elephant_pink_clothes_small Chris Sully

Seattle_seahawk_white_1600_reasonably_small_small Derek Stephens

Ace_small Ben Harbaugh

Bu_fb_2_small Daniel Hill

Rob_small Rob Davies