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Win Forever - A Guide to Carroll's Philosophy of Recruitment

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Welcome back to another installment of a short series of Fanposts that look at Pete Carroll's book Win Forever and the philosophy therein. The first two articles in the series can be found here and here. While reading previous entries isn't necessary, they provide a solid backdrop and get in you in the mood to Always Compete. The focus of this post is the recruitment of coaches and players.

Shortly after Pete Carroll being hired by the Seattle Seahawks in January of 2010, I asked my friend Kyle what he thought of the hire. I asked him because I had spent the previous season mildly following the Hawks (it's tough reeling in casual fans with a 5-11 season) with the intention of following the team, and football in general, a bit more closely. Having grown up in a family in which football was hardly considered a sport compared to soccer, I was eager to follow the home football team that had a new coach with a vision that included winning Superbowls rather than losing them. Wait, this isn't the Buffalo Bills Buffalo Rumblings site? I kid, I kid. Seriously though, four years ago I wouldn't have had a clue as to what that joke meant.

Anyways, my friend Kyle wasn't impressed with the hiring of Carroll for the Seahawks. Being the dedicated Oregon Duck fan that he is, he was familiar with Pete's record at USC. Kyle believed that Carroll's success with the Trojans had stemmed from his being able to recruit like a mad-man, arguing that it helps your chances on the field when your athletes are much more physically gifted than the athletes of teams you play against. You might say that the better athletes will win 99 times out of 100. Carroll wouldn't have that advantage in the NFL and his previous records with the New York Jets and New England Patriots added up to a misguided hire. So said Kyle. But we have seen, even after two consecutive 7-9 seasons in Seattle, Carroll's ability to recruit has had serious implications for the Seahawks. Read after the jump to find out how!

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Coaching Staff

Getting the best players on your football team isn't the only thing that is going to determine whether or not the team is going to be successful. Coaches arguably have just as much a part in the success or failure of a team as the players do. If you don't think so, ask Atlanta coach Mike Smith how he feels about going for it twice on 4th and inches Sunday when the Falcons were in chipshot field goal range. Of all the coaches that Pete Carroll has conned into coming to the Great Northwest, Tom Cable is arguably the most important one to the success of the Seahawks this season. Even Clare Farnsworth of www.seahawks.com argues that Cable was the "Best Offseason Addition:"

Cable was hired on Jan. 18 with the title of assistant head coach/offensive line coach. But the running game was his baby, and boy did it deliver down the stretch when the Seahawks rushed for 100-plus yards in eight of their last nine games – a run that was capped by the season-high 178-yard performance in the finale against the Cardinals. And a lot of this was done with Breno Giacomini, Lemuel Jeanpierre and Paul McQuistan stepping in for the injured starting trio of right tackle James Carpenter, right guard John Moffitt and left tackle Russell Okung. It was Cable’s belief in his system that made believers of the players, and eventually even the skeptics.

Mr. Farnsworth is correct that he was able to do some great work with some backups. It doesn't matter whether or not the dropoff from starters, rookies Moffit and Carpenter, to these replacement players was relatively low, or even an improvement in the short-term for the team this season. These were not starting caliber players. Cable was able to turn these guys into a serviceable group that helped Lynch have the first 1,000 yard season for a Seahawk since Shaun Alexander did it half a decade ago. Credit doesn't go to Cable just for his work with the offensive line. He certainly gets credit for helping Lynch turn around his season. Here is an article written by Farnsworth on Dec. 30 that contains an interview with Cable and others. Below is an excerpt from the article:

"We made a deal – you have to do it the way I tell you to do it, I ask you to do it," Cable said. "And he’s done it. So a lot of credit, to me, goes to him because he was willing to kind of maybe push his ego or push own beliefs, to some extent, aside and then embrace something new.

"Because this is a system that asks backs to do things a certain way. Once you get in and through the line of scrimmage, then do your thing. You can do all the craziness you want then. But you’ve got to do it this way from A to B. And he bought in from A to B. And after that, what you do from C on is you."

It is all well and good for the Seahawks to have some of the best coaching staff out there. I think we can all agree that it is very important. We want the team to play to their potential and they are able to do that because of coaching. We are also afraid of what it means to have a great coaching staff: Coaches leaving for bigger and better opportunities. Pete Carroll is all too aware of this.

The flip side of hiring a coaching staff made up of great competitors with strong voices of their own is that sooner or later they're going to move on. And often it is sooner. High turnover rates are something I have learned to not only accept but embrace... So rather than expecting loyalty from my coaching, I found that I got all the loyalty I could ask for by supporting them and advancing their careers... I believe that our coaches should get everything that they want out of their association with our program, and I'll work with them to accomplish that. I want that understood before they even come on board and that's the opportunity they'll have with us.

As always, people have a reason for thinking the way they do. Pete was stuck coaching for the Minnesota Vikings when he wanted to pursue a job with the 49ers. Carroll's experience with the Vikings was undoubtedly a formative one in developing his feelings towards his coaching staff, their recruitment, and their possibly leaving the organization.

I had been there for several years, when a similar position opened up in San Francisco. Although I was technically still under contract, we had always been told that whenever we wanted to go somewhere else, we would get permission to leave. But when I went to the head coach, he told me that he didn't think it was the right job for me and that my career would be better off where I was. When I pressed, explaining that I wanted to find out more about the job - among other reasons, because it was a chance to go back to my hometown - he flat-out refused to let me go.

At the end of the next season, Carroll had his freedom and accepted the position of Defensive Coordinator with the New York Jets. The stifling environment in which Pete performed his duties in Minnesota was one in which "no amount of money" would be enough to keep him there. While I'm sure everyone has their price, Pete did forego a $10,000 bonus that would have come with signing a 2 year deal that would have kept him in Minnesota. That's no small chunk of change for anyone, but it meant more to Pete to get out of a situation in which he had no opportunity to really better himself.

So really, what does this mean for the Seahawks? Basically, when (and I am so confident in the Front Office and in Carroll that I "when" and not "if") this team reaches championship quality, do not expect the coaching staff and other executives to stand pat when other opportunities to arise. The organization hasn't reached any Super Bowls yet and we have already seen the departure of a couple of lower level assistants. Jeff Ulbrich, the Seahawks’ assistant special teams coach the past two seasons, is leaving to become special teams coach/linebacker coach on Jim Mora’s staff at UCLA. Luke Butkus, a quality control/offensive line coach the past two years, will become the offensive line coach at Illinois, his alma mater. As soon as I saw that Raiders head coach Hue Jackson had been fired on Tuesday, I immediately had this horrible thought that the new GM in Oakland would hire Tom Cable back as head coach. Whether it happens tomorrow, next month, next year, or several years from now, I don't expect Cable to stay here forever. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to stick around as an assistant head coach when he probably feels he got the short end of the stick after being fired from the Raiders after an 8-8 season. I'm sure that other people around the league feel the same way. Hopefully, Cable will stick around long enough to implement a successful system that will stay with us for years after he has moved on to another head coaching job. The real question is, will he stick around long enough to get the ball rolling to the point momentum can be sustained?

Ultimately, Carroll's philosophy is adheres to the principle that competition is going to build a staff (and a team) that will reach its full potential and that 'the idea of holding someone back just because they can help us in the short term in not only totally contrary to the spirit of our philosophy, it's self defeating." We're going to live on, we're going to survive, when these men leave us because the men who replace them, whether they are hired from inside or outside the organization, are going to see the opportunity to do great things in their time in Seattle.

Players

The product on the field is going to be a result of two major factors: the coaches work with the players and the players themselves. According to ESPN, USC had the 2nd, 1st, 7th, and 4th ranked recruiting classes in the years 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009. How did this happen? In Carroll's own words:

Before I went back to college football, other coaches had told me that recruiting was a burden. However, for me recruiting was just another way to compete. Once again the philosophy came through as we found ourselves immersed in just another competitive arena. We found ourselves in a "relentless pursuit of a competitive edge" in recruiting and it took us right back to our central theme of competition. This was not only a perfect extension of everything we were trying to do at USC, but also a great job by the recruiting coordinators I was able to work with... Our recruiting classes were at or near the top for eight straight seasons, and that is a credit to our entire coaching staff.

Carroll only ever promised his recruits one thing: "an extraordinary opportunity to compete for a position from the moment they arrived on campus." It wasn't a lie either. During the course of Pete's nine years at USC, a Freshman started at every single position on the field, not the least of which was the quarterback spot. The players on each of Carroll's teams at USC were all too aware of the promise made by Carroll to the incoming recruits. In fact, he made it a point to remind his players that the incoming class would be gunning for each and every one of their spots.

On National Signing Day, when we would add twenty or so top recruits to our program, we had a team meeting where we showed highlight film of those incoming freshmen to our returning players. I reminded them that our staff had told those young players being featured on the big screen that they would be getting a fair shot from the moment they stepped on campus to compete for a starting position. It was a fun meeting, as the players suddenly became expert analysts, critiquing the incoming players who, more than likely, would be going after their spot... It proved to our entire team that there was always an opportunity for every player to compete.

I hope that in the days following the draft Carroll and his staff put together highlight videos of all the players they have drafted for the rest of the team to watch. Naturally, they aren't going to be able to do it the day after because Pete and John Schneider have their hands busy calling every single Undrafted Free Agent (UDFA) they can. I imagine that each one of them gets the same pitch that every USC recruit got during the time that Pete was head coach was there. Without a doubt, it leaves an impression on 17 year old kids leaving their homes for the first time and it leaves an impression on college graduates trying to make their way into the National Football League. Ricardo Lockette, by his own admission, was one of these players. A post on the Seahawks blog on the official website will tell you that

The Seahawks got Lockette because, as he put it, "The sincerity in John and coach Carroll’s voice, it wasn’t about the money other teams were offering. I would have come here for free."

Catching himself, Lockette laughed. He then added, "I just appreciated the sincerity and how much they cared. How they felt about my talent and what I could do for the Seahawks."

The fact that thirty-two separate teams called the kid and he chose to come to the Seahawks is pretty special in my mind. I can't imagine Lockette would have actually come to Seattle for free 'cause let's face it, money is pretty awesome to have. Yeah, the organization did call him before anyone else did and offered him a significant amount of money to come here, but it's pretty clear that money wasn't the overriding factor based on the interview above.

Obviously, Lockette isn't the only UDFA to make a splash on the Seahawks team. He wasn't even the best UDFA on the team. As we know Doug Baldwin went from a relatively unknown player coming out of Stanford to leading the Seahawks in receptions (51) and receiving yards (788). This makes Baldwin, according to Mike Sando at ESPN, the first UDFA in the history of the NFL to lead the team in both categories. Did I mention that his average Yards Per Catch was an extremely solid 15.5?

The issue with Baldwin in the context of this article is the fact that it could have been a lot of different things that led him to Seattle. It could have been money. It could have been the fact that his old coach Jim Harbaugh passed him up in the draft electing to choose *gasp* another receiver in the later rounds and Baldwin wanted his chance to prove Harbaugh had made a mistake. Heaven forbid he wanted to get out of the hellhole that is California with all of its horrendous weather to come to the rain-drenched Pacific Northwest. Honestly, I just like to think that Pete can recruit with the best of 'em.

Undrafted Free Agents aren't the only ones who get a lot of attention. Big name and small name free agents are recruited as heavily as anybody ever is. The only big name free agent acquisition that I can think of for the Seahawks is Sidney Rice, and it is arguable that he wasn't even that big a free agent acquisition considering that it was going to come down to a choice between the Seahawks and the Vikings. I expect that Rice is going to make some big plays for this team once he (hopefully...) gets healthy. Other smaller acquisitions really haven't been any less important. Alan Branch walked away from Arizona and started every game at the 3-tech Defensive Tackle position except one in which he was injured. Brandon Browner was recruited from the Canadian Football League and started every single game at Cornerback, amassing 23 passes defensed and 6 interceptions.

Before the season started, the Seahawks had made a pitch to Nnamdi Asomugha late in the process that he apparently seriously considered. Yeah, Nnamdi didn't come to Seattle but it reportedly made him really think about coming here. Other teams were in the mix too, and he ended up on a team in Philadelphia that was by and large the offseason winner of 2011 when it came to free agents looking to win a Super Bowl. I realize some fans are happy about his not joining Seattle because of questions regarding how he fit our scheme, and do we want to spend the money on a guy that may not be with us in a few years during which we will really be looking at Divisional, Conference and Super Bowl championships yadda, yadda, yadda... Why does that matter in the context of this article about recruitment? It says we as a team aren't ready yet. We aren't ready to compete for a Super Bowl. We don't even have a starting quarterback that is under contract for more than one more season. We are getting closer though. It's coming together. I can almost taste it. When it comes time that the Seahawks are a team that the national media can't afford to ignore because our players and our coaching staff are kicking butt and taking names, it won't be difficult for us to get the free agents we want. Whether they are hot shots looking for a big payday, under-appreciated guys looking to prove they are more than they showed on their previous teams, or kids coming out of college looking to get their start, people will want to come to Seattle for a shot to play for Carroll and with the players we have. We shouldn't even have to try very hard. I'm talking shooting fish in a barrel easy (although for such a common saying, I don't think it's as easy as some people say...) And for the folks who are having a difficult time deciding whether or not they want to come here, Carroll is going to be able to show them the real reason to come to Seattle is to be the best that they can be.

Conclusion

Ultimately, Pete Carroll's success in Seattle is going to be about a lot more than recruitment. His (and John Schneider's) ability to scout/draft well and Carroll's ability to coach are going to to be the things that defines whether or not the Seahawks become a team that is able to Win Forever. That doesn't change the fact that the coaches he hires become an extension of himself and his philosophy. That doesn't change the fact that the talent level in the locker room, from starting positions to depth in case of injuries, is dramatically affected by the players brought into the organization via free agency. With everybody competing, everybody wins.

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Good read

I laugh when people say Carroll won’t be successful in Seattle because he won’t be able to recruit like he did at USC. It looks like he is proving the nay sayers wrong again.

by Redzone59 on Jan 12, 2012 8:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Maybe this is a discussion for a different day, but is Cable really all that in danger of going elsewhere?

He’s only been coaching in the NFL since 2006 and his head coaching record overall was only 17-27. I haven’t seen his name come up for possible head coaching hires so far. He could go somewhere as OC, but it would have to be the same type of system.

He could possibly go HC somewhere in college, but UCLA (where he coached before) picked Jim Mora. I wish Mora had stayed in broadcasting though, he was kinda funny.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 12, 2012 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

I believe that he is. He took over for a Raiders team that was completely inept.

He was just turning the corner when he got fired.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus, doing what he did with our line will bolster his c.v.

I think if we get one more year out of him I’m happy.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Jan 12, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Then again, would he perhaps be happy as an assistant.

Perhaps he would. Perhaps his hope is to coach under Carroll the next few years then take over the Seahawks in his own home state after Carroll moves on, and the best way possible to do that is to stay home a few years, keep building THIS program up, then rise to the head spot at the same time that a well developed and talented assistant coaching staff and contacts are available around the league.

MOST the time when you take over a team, you take over a crappy one and are forced to rebuild. He has to acknowledge that this might be an ideal long term spot if he’s okay not rushing back just to put his face first up over the foxhole.

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Somehow I doubt it that he would be willing to stick around until Carroll is done of his own accord.

And I’m really not interested in entertaining the possibility in my mind that Cable would be hired to the head coaching position after Carroll is fired… that is just too painful.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 12, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, let your mind be at ease then.

Petey is buiding a winner, and is going to walk away from this job into the sunset, the first guy to win both NCAA and NFL championships.

He will retire here… But to borrow a little from Robert Frost, the woods to a championship are still dark and deep, and Pete Carroll has miles to go before he sleeps…

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 8:17 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Two Super Bowls, one collegiate national title.

Might be a while before somebody matches that.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Jan 12, 2012 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I LIKE how you think!

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 13, 2012 8:46 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Damn, I forgot him.

Okay, first guy to win a BCS championship and a Super Bowl.

Better?

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

that sounds really too pie in the sky for Cable to be willing to hang his hat on ...

there are no guarantees in this league …

thinking in terms of being able to succeed a coach after he moves on entails that coach already having established success in the form of repeat Super Bowls where there is little else for him to prove.

Pete hasn’t come close to touching such success for his “moving on” to be a contemplated possibility. Until that happens, “moving on” is more apt to happen in the form of him getting fired than choosing to move on his own volition.

When I refer to Tim Ruskell as "Tranny Tim" I do so ONLY in reference to his infamous use of the "Transition Tag", nothing more & nothing less. Some rather thick and uptight petty tyrants that unfortunately moonlight as fieldgull blog writers have threatened me over its use using a popup I was unable to respond to. I find such free speech censure offensive and ridiculous.

by el80ne on Jan 12, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Age is a factor too.

I know he’s young for his age, but how many years will he honestly keep coaching. I think MAYBE he goes 3 more years after this contract, but wouldn’t be shocked if he hangs em up after fulfilling his contract.

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I wouldn't say Cable was "conned" into coming here.

This is where he’s from.

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by hazbro24 on Jan 12, 2012 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

Nice work BTW.

Zach Miller was a pretty big name FA you might want to add.

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by hazbro24 on Jan 12, 2012 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

I would consider adding him if he had made a bigger impact in anything other than blocking.

Don’t get me wrong, that is extremely important. His lack of production and lack of any good interviews kept me from including him in the article.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 12, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

With out Miller

Seattle would have struggled in pass protection and running the ball. Miller was a huge addition to the hawks. But I get what you are saying.

by Redzone59 on Jan 12, 2012 12:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The difference in our offense was obvious when he was out.

I don’t remember which game. Before Cleveland, I think. But he was one of the guys whose absence had a very visible impact on the running game.

Ah, hello my slow fat fingers say to Lord Humongous
-Kingdomer

by EthelGemerman on Jan 13, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I think at the time, it was a big get.

People weren’t even talking about him leaving Oakland, and it seemed like we came out of nowhere. Rarely do you get a chance to get Pro Bowl talent like that on their second contract, yet only (at the time) 25. He also was a better fit for the direction that the team is trying to go. I think his production will go up as our passing offense matures.

by PerryCollective on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it will have to do with our offensive line maturing.

Once that happens is when the passing offense will mature, so long as Bevell will be able to incorporate Miller’s talents.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 12, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

although according to Pete ... Miller was Schneider's "get" ...

it was Schneider who had the hots and put the full court press in landing Miller according to Pete and a Seattle Times article during training camp.

When I refer to Tim Ruskell as "Tranny Tim" I do so ONLY in reference to his infamous use of the "Transition Tag", nothing more & nothing less. Some rather thick and uptight petty tyrants that unfortunately moonlight as fieldgull blog writers have threatened me over its use using a popup I was unable to respond to. I find such free speech censure offensive and ridiculous.

by el80ne on Jan 12, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I looked for that article but I couldn't find it.

Any chance you have a link to it on hand? I would like to read it.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Doing a quick check, I didn't find the article although ...

here’s an article I did find where Danny O’Neil basically describes the signing of Rice and Miller as Schneider’s “gets”.

While recruiting coaching talent is one thing, I think it’s a mistake to give Pete all the credit for the recruitment of players and free agents. It’s not Pete that’s personally out their scouting and evaluating. It’s Schneider and the scouts he oversees. I believe it’s Schneider who comes up with the hot list of targets in free agency (just as he’s responsible for coming up with the grades on draft targets) that he sees great potential in that would fit in with the team and Pete in many cases defers to Schneider and his assistant coaches like Bevell and Cable for their input that reinforced, for instance, the pursuit of Rice, Miller, and unfortunately IMO Jackson.

The article I remember reading told the story of how dogged Schneider was in his pursuit of landing Miller and how Pete credited him for landing the big fish. I believe it was from one of O’Neil’s blogs which for some reason don’t seem to show up when searching in ST article archives.

by el80ne on Jan 14, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

You prefer Whitehurst?

Wasnt a whole lot available outside of the draft.

by Oliudyen on Jan 19, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Good article,

and FYI, Mythbusters checked on shooting fish in a barrel and decided that, yes, it is pretty easy.

by Jason_D on Jan 12, 2012 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

Or a tazer.

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by hazbro24 on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Screw it, go dynamite. Easier yet.

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

My father used to fish with dynamite.

True story, he showed me a culvert in rural Colorado that he had blown up. You could buy dynamite in Colorado in the 50s without too much difficulty.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Jan 12, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I've seen it done.

I did graduate from Onalaska High School after all…

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm glad I clicked through.
Because they didn’t want to use a live fish to test this myth, the Mythbusters obtained a dead fish and inserted a motor inside of it to simulate swimming.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Jan 12, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Because why?

It’s better to use a fish that was already killed as opposed to killing one? What kind of sense does this make?!? It’s not like they saved the lives of any fish by doing it this way!

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure they did.

One dead fish vs. two.

But that wasn’t my point, it was the absurdity of putting a motor in a dead fish. :)

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Jan 12, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Putting the motor in the dead fish

is how my ex-wife and I used to refer to our scheduled, weekly sex. Actually, maybe I was the only one using that description.

Ah, hello my slow fat fingers say to Lord Humongous
-Kingdomer

by EthelGemerman on Jan 13, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I can't imagine why you two split.

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Perhaps there wasn't enough grease in the engine to keep lubing the motor?

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure there are laws against hurting live animals for these kind of productions

Especially intentionally. That includes fish.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 12, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions  

And how awesome is it to McGyver

a ‘simulated’ live fish from a dead one – much better then just throwing some fish into a barrel and having at them.

by Raphaelas on Jan 13, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I imagine so. It just irritates me and seems goofy.

I mean, they’re fish.

But mind you, my family used to own a fish farm, so I’ve seen more gutted fish than you would believe. We had a whole station system set up. Live fish go in, 2-4 people later they come out the other side deceased headless and ready to cook.

I was just a tyke so my role was to take 5 gallon buckets of fish guts and properly dispose of them… it took me both hands to drag/carry them up the hill into the woods and dumping them.

We also shot blue heron, king fishers and any other birds that would come by and try to make dinner off the family income. I never even questioned the logic/rationale/right to do so. Thinking about how illegal that must have been even in the 70’s and early 80’s makes my head spin.

It was a different world.

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

To add to the coaches coming and going....

Last year’s D-Line coach, Dan Quinn, left in the off season to become Defensive Coordinator at the University of Florida.

by Dizzy Saturn on Jan 12, 2012 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

The Cool Thing About Carroll Is

That most people really don’t know what he’s doing until much later.

I appreciate this article. It pretty much sums up the way of thinking there.

PC/JS are ahead of their time, and it’s going to be when people look back at this a few years from now and say, damn they really knew what they were doing!

Live work and breathe like an optimist.

by JRock419 on Jan 12, 2012 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

That is certainly my hope JRock. Hindsight is always 20/20 though.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 12, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Reading this article gives me hope...

that if we go after the likes of Mario Williams, we stand a good chance of getting him. I hope we do.

by TrynZushi on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

About Nnamdi

I’m curious as to which teams didn’t talk to him. Before the season he was widely regarded as one of the top three corners in the league. Good job PC/JS, at least try to make an offer at the guy. Thats good proactive team-building, even if you dont get the guy.

Bet 10-1 Nnamdi wishes he was anywhere BUT Philly, with all there defensive troubles and offensive drama.

by kermdawg on Jan 14, 2012 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

After being in Oakland for the early part of his career, I'm guessing there is at least ONE place he is happy to be out of and not going back to...

I've put away the whiskey and the chainsaw and gone responsible. I'd like to say "Danny Kelly made me do it!" but that would be a lie. I chose to shave, put on a suit and tie and pretend I'm more important than I really am...

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 17, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

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