2012 NFL Draft: The Argument for Kellen Moore, Exhibit A
Football is a demanding sport. There are plenty of sports that require such a balance, such a perfection of strength, size, speed, agility and stamina. But football forces an athlete to do all that - and more. See, physical tools aren't enough for football; you need intelligence, instincts and a natural ability to play. This is why so few high school football players make it to college, and even fewer go to the NFL. It's a demanding sport, and you know that those who have played long enough to be in the league excels at least one or more of the following qualities above.
So it is only ironic that the highest paid position in football is also the ones that requires least amount of work. A good Quarterback does not have to be fast. He does not always need to be agile or mobile. He does not need to bench press 20+ times in a combine. Hell, he doesn't even need to be athletic. Put that in contrast to the demands of a running back, or a left tackle or a middle linebacker, and you have to admit that this is some kind of sick joke.
Why is a quarterback so important then? Quite simply, it's because he leads. He has the leadership to carry ten guys with him on offense, the responsibility of an entire offensive scheme, the hope to carry a comeback win when you're down by a field goal with 1:20 left to play in the 4th quarter. A quarterback is counted as the face of a franchise, and without a good one, it would be hard to have any success.
Of course, there are many different types of QBs in the league, and all of their success can be counted on different traits too. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady passed with a strong, mechanical right arm. Joe Montana and other West-Coast QB's rely on a quick, accurate passing game. Michael Vick and Randall Cunningham used agility and speed to change the QB role. Tim Tebow survived mainly on luck. There are many ways to judge how "good" a QB is, but in the end, their main role is this: to provide good results and to give his team every possible chance they have at that "W" column.
We have already read plenty of reports of what Pete Carroll and Co. wants their QB to be: Smart, Agile, and a Game Manager. Carroll doesn't need a playmaker - he's building the passing game and the QB around the tough-nosed running attack created by Tom Cable, punishing defenses and forcing them to stack more guys in the box and thus, opening up the passing lanes. This is why a player like Andrew Luck, or Robert Griffin, or even Matt Flynn, while glamorous for the position, isn't really necessary.
At the 11th or 12th spot in the draft and little ammunition to trade for players, I fully expect the FO to look for other diamonds-in-the-rough to pick their QBOTF. And I bet it's this guy up on top. Here's why...
In all honesty, many believe that Moore's chances of succeeding in the NFL is quite low, and their reasons are sort of justified. Playing for Boise State limited his chances to play against a top tier defense, and likewise, there are concerns about his own offensive scheme as well. He's also been cited for playing with a great WR crop in Titus Young and Austin Pettis, and his size (6'0, 190) is an issue against NFL defenses. Short arm strength rounds out the cherry on top.
Again, all of these reason justifies why many believe Moore will have little chance of succeeding. And it's true.
But that's only if you put Moore in a role of a traditional QB.
The big mistake NFL coaches do is building their playbook and scheme based on what players they have. (I cite John Fox and his option plays as an example.) I think Pete does the exact opposite. The players are the pegs, not the holes. Pete believes in both Bevell and Cable's philosophy of offense, and has shown no hesitancy in trying to get the players that fit. This is why I think Moore is such a great fit - he provides tremendous accuracy, is somewhat mobile, has great awareness and most of all, smart.
Here's some I selected game film against Georgia earlier this year. (The time on the left indicates where the video is at the time, so you can follow along)
0:44, 1-10 @ Boise 20. Under Center. K. Moore passes left to 87 for 13 yards.
From the onset, this looks to be a very Bevell-esque or Cable-esque play to run. Singleback strong right, motion the TE to the left side setting up the to kick out on the end. Instead, this is a play-fake to the back. 87 runs a short corner to the left and finds a gap between the LB, FS and DB. This is a very quick throw that Moore does not hesitate on doing, and in the process, avoids the sack and pressure made by the DT against the C.
1:06, 3-3 @ Boise 40. Shotgun. K. Moore pass short left incomplete to 20.
This is a good look of what I think is good about Kellen Moore - the ability to analyze and take advantage of a defense's weakness. Let's look at it frame by frame:
Moore knows that either one or both of the circled guys here will rush. Nevertheless, he is confident in his pass blocking - he has 5 O-Lineman, a TE and a RB - 8 guys vs. 5, maybe 6. He snaps the ball.
Play begins and as expected, 5 guys rush the passer. However, there's trouble - both the right tackle and running back lose against their guys and Moore can already see that the DT has beaten the left guard, coming straight at him. There's no much time left. He sees a direct opening near the 50 yard marker, but knowing that the wide receiver is running a curl, instead tries to loft it over the defender's head. Moore also takes the hit by the DT full on, and doesn't scramble or panic immediately. He trusts his receivers to make a play, and knowing that the protection has already been faltered, calmly throws it away rather than risk an interception.
1:47, 1-10, Georgia 30. Shotgun. K. Moore passes middle to 89 for 20 yards.
This is one of the easier plays for Moore to run. All 4 of his main targets end up open, yet Moore makes a good choice with his throw.
Georgia's defense has a blown coverage and does not cover the middle. 22 and 86 are both run short end curls, while 20 runs a flag and 89 a post. Moore throws it accurately down the middle and picked his target carefully - since the protection was secure and well blocked, Moore took a shot at the 89, who beat the corner and the safety coming in, and it worked.
3:05, 3-7, Georgia 29. Shotgun. K. Moore deep left pass INTERCEPTED by 1. Intended for 89.
Here's where things get tricky. Georgia sends the pressure with 6 guys on the line, and one of them manages to break through to Moore. Again, he knows that he's going to get hit, but he doesn't move much because he sees a gap to throw to. He saw 89 already had beaten both guys down the field, so I understand where he's throwing from. Some might think that this was a bad throw, but I think it was just a good play by the DB #1. I think Moore underestimated his jumping height, and the loft he did, while had good process, did not have much results.
3:38, 2-7, Georgia 37. Shotgun. K. Moore passes left to 2 for 14 yards.
Your standard quick slant route, this really stands out Moore's accuracy and knack for good throws. By pre-snap, he already knows that 2 is one-on-one with the DB. However, he motions the RB all the way out to shift the LB's as well. That, along with the in route by the TE, draws both the backers in, and opens up Moore's throw to #2 near the sideline. A smart move, and a smarter play.
4:48, 3-2, Boise 32. Under Center. K. Moore short pass middle to 2 for 8 yards
Placed in a short yardage situation, one would normally run the ball. Moore audibles out of the play and instead calls play action, seeing that Georgia is crowding the first down line. He motions the TE into a run right play, and throws it right into the middle of coverage into the hands of 2. Moore also knew that the defense was going to at least rush 6-7 guys to stop the run, left his guys running levels between the defense to make a play.
6:23, 1-10, Georgia 28. Under Center. K. Moore passes left incomplete to 20.
Again, let's take this frame by frame.
Moore audibles this play because he notices that the FS is playing up on the field, leaving #20 man on man with the cornerback in hopes that he could be him. In order to further isolate him from the defense, he shifts his running back to the right. Now as the linebackers align himself more to the right, Moore launches the deep throw. It ends up incomplete, but it shows his mind and his way of thinking - he's trying to exploit a weakness, not just simply run a play. This is what makes a good game manager QB.
These are just a few hints of what Kellen Moore is, and the jury is still out on what role he will play in the NFL. There have been comparisons to Drew Brees of course, by Moore is definitely a intriguing prospect out there that will perhaps set a new standard and method of success by a quarterback.
Stay tuned for Exhibit B.
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Interesting. Certainly a looker if you have a 3rd rounder down to spend...in my opinion
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 11, 2012 12:52 PM PST reply actions
3rd?? Maybe the 6th
I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes undrafted
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 11, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
Our talent and playbook seem to be aligning, with Lynch and the OL and the ZBS being proof positive.
That style of playbook needs a play action QB with an arm to stretch the field. Believe it or not despite all his faults, Tavaris is somewhat that type of guy, and we’ve seen him air it out deep on occasion with air yardage not seen in Seattle since Largent was one of the receivers, and guys like Darryl Turner were lining up opposite. Flynn is just good enough to probably be able to do it, but might not have the requisite arm strength PC would truly want, but Moore isn’t a guy who can stretch the field by any means, and Flynn- who may be too weak armed himself – is much stronger armed than is Moore.
Too many men in the box clogs the running game and limits it’s effectiveness. The LAST thing you want to do is add a QB who defenses don’t respect deep. Moore may very well stick as an NFL QB given his intangibles, but it will need to be with a WCO system that stresses short/intermediate passing. We aren’t that system any longer…
But can you explain this to me?
The big mistake NFL coaches do is building their playbook and scheme based on what players they have. (I cite John Fox and his option plays as an example.) I think Pete does the exact opposite. The players are the pegs, not the holes. Pete believes in both Bevell and Cable’s philosophy of offense, and has shown no hesitancy in trying to get the players that fit. This is why I think Moore is such a great fit – he provides tremendous accuracy, is somewhat mobile, has great awareness and most of all, smart.
It sounds like you are “dissing” John Fox here… or Pete? I don’t understand either way. Fox was saddled with Tebow/Orton and a 1-4 record when he switched over and somehow he turned a bad situation into the Broncos first playoff win since Jake Plummer by maximizing his talent by adjusting to what his players could and couldn’t do offensively. I just don’t get that as a negative.
But the counter-argument that would, I guess, support Carroll in fitting players to his system doesn’t fit Moore at all. Yes, he’s smart and mobile, but he isn’t even as mobile as would prototypically be desired in the system, and they want a taller strong armed guy making smart decisions, not a “little quick guy.” In fact, one of the bigger drawbacks to Flynn is his height— and he’s a FULL two inches taller. Moore is going to be the smallest shortest guy on record to be an effective modern QB if he makes it.
He makes Doug Flutie look tall. I just don’t see it.
But, good presentation on your point that he’s smart, can lead and breakdown a college D, and deserves a shot.
Personally, I just hope it’s not in Seattle.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 1:51 PM PST reply actions
I think you're correct for Seattle.
I like Kellen, I had a class with him at BSU and played against him in HS. However, if Seattle is looking at him as their QB I think they will pass. I think The Walrus might spend a 5th or 6th rounder on him. I could see him sticking on a typical WCO team, wowing in preseason and being a solid back-up.
I also agreed with you that a better Tavaris is what Pete is looking for. If he wants to take a risk on a guy it would be a guy like Osweiler from ASU. He impressed me against BSU in the Vegas Bowl, despite not playing as well as he did against USC. I’m sure PC/JS have their eyes on all possibilities at QB and will surprise everyone with their selection.
From your first hand perspective
Any guess to Moore’s actual height? I’ve seen speculation from 5’10"-6’1".
6'1" in the morning, 5'10" in the evening?
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
5'-10" if he was a foot
I was standing next to Moore when he was getting off the Broncos bus in full gear minus helmet. I’m 6’-4" and my buddy is 6’0" and I dwarfed him and my buddy had a couple inches on him.
I'm too important to the team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.
Did you look down to see if he was standing on tiptoe?
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Height is only a problem if your pass blocking is suspect.
And on the John Fox portion, it was just a minor citation that, in the end, wasn’t really suppose to make sense.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
That's simply not true.
Here’s why— Cable notoriously finds and develops taller than average offensive linemen. He likes ’em rangy. Not quite as bulky as some, but on the large side and on the tall side.
Robert Gallery is a 6’7" LT converted to LG. The Raiders did the same thing on the other side behind Cable, taking another taller tackle and putting him at RG. Bruce Campbell and Cooper Carlisle are 6’6 and 6’5. Those are both tall for guards. Max Unger is 6’5" and one of if not the tallest center in the league. Paul McCuiston is 6’6" and John Moffitt is a “short” 6’4".
Those are the heads 5’10" Kellen Moore would have to look over when the pass blocking is not suspect. It’s a reach to pretend that having taller giant bodies in front of you would not affect how you see down the field.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
An offensive lineman never stands at their full height to block a defender.
And even then our O-line is not that gar from average: look at the Saints for example, whose QB Drew Brees has the same mold as Moore:
RT Charles Brown 6’5
RG Jahari Evans 6’4
C Matt Tennant 6’4
LG Carl Nicks 6’5
LT Jermon Bushrod 6’5
This is the 1999 Bills O-Line, when Doug Flutie, at 5’10, had the best year of his career
RT Robert Hicks 6’7 (And keep in mind that Flutie was right-handed)
RG Dusty Ziegler 6’5
C Jerry Ostrowski 6’3
LG Ruben Brown 6’3
LT John Fina 6’5
The point is, simply because an O-Line is tall does not mean most throws by the QB will be deflected from their head. Likewise, a O-Line’s head will not always distract the QB’s vision just because of how big they are.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Moore is not Flutie.
Flutie was an elite athlete, his legs and arm were more than legit by NFL standards. There is a reason that QB’s with Kellen’s physical skill set aren’t in the league currently.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
The Seahawks current line is taller than Brees', and Moore is shorter than Brees.
I’m not saying it will be an issue every down, but you cannot deny it WILL be an issue at times.
Are his intangibles so high as to overwhelm the long list of issues, none of which alone is completely damning but added up lead to serious red flags about his transition to the next level??
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 7:57 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
It's more than a height issue with... Moore
As mentioned, Flutie and Brees are quite a bit better athletes than Moore, and while I don’t really remember Flutie’s drop backs, Brees gets depth very quickly- something I haven’t seen from Moore.
Also, despite his greatness, one of the few things that can give Brees problems is pressure up the middle. I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the Saints line is much stronger on the inside than the exterior.
I like Kellen Moore and I hope he sticks in the NFL, but I see a lot more Ty Detmer in him than Drew Brees.
it's not standing height that's the issue
DL put their arms up in the passing lanes… you also have to consider a QBs release point…. height and angle… does he throw over the top, 3/4, 4/5 etc.
He’s a great ‘college’ QB, but I find it hard to believe he’ll be successful QB in the NFL. The other issue is that he’s left handed… yes it makes a big difference… rotation is different, ball tails or sails differently, your HB gets the ball differently… yes all things they could get used to but why bother when there are less risky options available… Steve Young was successful because he was so mobile, not just with scrambling, but to extend the play out of the pocket.
If he is undrafted, bring him in to run practice squad
The argument against Kellen Moore, exhibit A
Is the photo you selected. His throwing motion is long and ugly. He’s small, has a long release, and has operated his entire career behind a line that has left him untouched. Look at the pocket in your screen captures! He won’t see that in the NFL, ever. I’ll grant you that he is accurate and a winner, two traits that are nice, but I question if they are enough to overcome the negatives.
by DeepHeat on Jan 11, 2012 7:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Just because he doesn't see pressure doesn't mean he cannot avoid it.
The video had plenty of shots that the O-Line failed and pressure was applied on Moore – and he avoided most of them quite well.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Throwing motion was my first thought when I looked at that picture.
I didn’t watch any of Boise St.‘s games this year, because frankly I wasn’t interested, but that picture alone is a red flag for me.
Phil Rivers has a funky side arm thing...
not that you can compare the two, but throwing motion shouldn’t automatically disqualify a guy.
Rivers is 6'5"... that's a 1/2 foot taller than Moore.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Rivers' throwing mechanics are weird, but they're not bad
That’s a pretty important distinction. There is a typical ideal throwing mechanic, but there are some variations you can make on it depending on physical skill. Rivers’ motion is more unusual than bad.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 12, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Nice work
Kellen Moore is a very compelling figure, to me, in this year’s draft. His success in college is really pretty legendary and Boise State is a good program. There are some out there that think very lowly of him, Rob Staton would be one example and I really respect his opinion, and then there are people out there that could see him having some success. Scott Enyeart, another person whose opinion and football knowledge I respect, thinks that Moore could actually be a guy that PC likes (late round though I think). So, I am super intrigued with Moore, wherever he ends up.
I haven’t made my mind up on him yet completely – I wrote Andy Dalton and Christian Ponder off last season and both of them (though Andy went rd2) played like first round rookies – that is to say, they played well enough, Dalton in particular. Bad comparison to Moore, I realize, except that Dalton played at a ‘lower level’ school in TCU and still managed to do pretty well. My point is that I’ve learned my lesson when it comes to doubting players that have a lot of success in college (not just talking ‘wins’ mind you), even if they’re measureables aren’t ideal. Or, bad, really, in Moore’s case. Moore may look like a JAG but he’s intriguing nonetheless.
Anyway, appreciate the breakdown. I don’t know what I think of Moore at this point, but it’s fun to take a look at him.
by Danny Kelly on Jan 12, 2012 7:35 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
College success making one legendary?
That reminds me, where are Graham Harrell, Colt Brennan and Timmy Chang now?
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha!
He was Colt Brennan before Colt Brennan.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 8:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Colt Brennan warming up would throw submarine
Unbelievable zip on 25 yard throws throwing underhand. It was absolutely useless other than it was fun to watch
I'm too important to the team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.
Ah, well, yes, excellent retort.
I think my point was just more that I’m trying to keep an open mind. But, that doesn’t mean I’m banking on Moore panning out.
I hear you.
I just think if we weren’t from Washington state, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. The Dolphins might want a QB, the Browns, sadly given last year’s first rounder, maybe even the Jags, and more than a few other teams from far away from here. I seriously doubt Moore’s name is being bandied about with any hope or probability at all. Yet here some people are talking about him “maybe being worth a 3rd rounder.”
It’s just terrible PNW bias is all.
I wish him well, but don’t expect much at all, and would be SHOCKED if he ever starts an NFL game that isn’t due to a starter being injured.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 13, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I liked Colt Brennan - drafted by Washington - saw him play in one pre-season game and he looked good (to my untrained eye).
I think he was in a car wreck, if memory serves.
To your point, didn’t make it in the league, despite all the records (broken by McCoy, I think).
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Graham is in the Green Bay school of quarterbacking preparing to take Flynn's job.
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Talk about an ideal opportunity for a fringe prospect...
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 8:11 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Would I draft him?
Yes. In the seventh round Moore is a backup in the NFL, not a premier starter. Kellen Moore is Brock Huard minus 5 (or more) inches in height. Yes, he throws a very pretty deep ball, but his throwing motion is long, and more importantly, it’s almost always off his back foot. When I watched Boise State games (and since my daughter goes there, I do watch them) he doesn’t stride forward and zip the throw. The short throw he does zip in there is all arm. Which on one hand isn’t all bad, as that tells you he has an arm. But I can’t tell you how many times he stands there with his feet nearly parallel to the line of scrimmage and sidearms it. NFL defenses won’t give him the time, or the open window to the receiver he is accustomed to in college. The Cheese is right, I think he’d be fine for a WCO like Holmgren runs, because he is smart, reads defenses well, and can work with the timing required for that style of offense.
Now I may be completely wrong, and he’ll turn out somewhat Dalton-esque. In fact, I’d be happy if that happened because by all accounts Moore is a fine young man. But the only QB who has a longer throwing motion than Moore does plays for the Broncos right now. And whatever you may say in that man’s defense, you have to admit his throwing motion is just hideous. At least Moore wouldn’t miss wide open receivers on a crossing pattern all the time.
Common sense isn't.
by Bald Eagle 1313 on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't see the Brock Huard comparison at all....
though I don’t disagree with the rest of the post.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
The Huard reference
is mostly the throwing off the back foot. When Brock was at UW, even with Corey Dillon doing a playfake and loads of time to throw, Huard just lofted up a rainbow off his back foot instead of striding forward onto his lead foot, turning his hips and really throwing it. Moore does the same thing. I don’t see him as a first or even second day draft pick. Unless some team just falls in love with him, if he gets drafted at all it’ll be in the late rounds.
by Bald Eagle 1313 on Jan 12, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I see. That makes more sense.
"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 12, 2012 8:12 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
A deeper drop seems to help these guys.
Sometimes it looks like Brees is taking a 5 step drop from the gun. The OL and OT’s in particular, must have good mobility if that is the case.
Like Brando in Apocalypse Now, Lombardi said,,,"The knee, the knee."
I live over in the Tri-Cities, near where Kellen is from
I’ve had multiple people tell me they’ve seen him in the airport, at a restaurant, etc. Every single person has said he can’t be taller than 5’10". No thanks. When the combine measurements come in I think he will go from late round to UDFA.
I disagree with your assessment of the interception.
That is a bad throw in my eyes and really represents the heart of my issue with Moore. That is a throw Drew Brees, along with literally every other starting QB in the league can make, even with a guy in their face. That is a throw where you want the QB to put the ball out in front of the WR so if he catches it it’s a big play TD and if he doesn’t then it falls incomplete. Moore cannot throw it that far with any accuracy or zip. Instead it floats and is easily intercepted.
Moore cannot stretch the field and protect the football at the same time. Say what you want about Tarvaris’ deep ball accuracy but I’m not sure he was ever intercepted because of an under-throw. I think this is the greatest reason why Pete wants a strong armed QB. He wants explosive plays down the field while also protecting the football.
Moore is a surgeon underneath but unlike in the WAC, CBs jump routes in the NFL and will do so regularly without much threat over the top. Sure Moore might fool them sometimes and hit a wide-open receiver on a double move but that is an exception, not something you can rely on.
by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for putting this together. I was curious about Moore...
…and now I can see the arguments on both sides. If you could combine Moore’s head with TJax’s legs/arms, you’d have someething (I think they call that RGIII…)
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