NFL Discourse: The Rational, The Emotional, The Tim Tebow
Frith in the Sky, am I really writing about Tim Tebow, here on Field Gulls? This is like if Conan the Cimmerian joined the Mad Hatter and March Hare for tea. Madness! The antithesis of our being!
Right, deep breaths. It's not so much Tim Tebow I want to discuss, but he makes for a nice framing device, plus mentioning him will probably double our traffic over this weekend. Gotta be willing to take one for the team. All he does is win! He's a baller! Shattered the mold!
I'm not a huge fan of Tim Tebow, primarily because I don't enjoy watching bad football players play bad football, and that's the only way I can describe this remedial passing offense the Broncos run. I also don't really like the Denver Broncos, or John Elway. I do find the idea of Tim Tebow "shattering the mold" an attractive one, because as nervous as it makes scouts and stats-geeks, the NFL just gets more interesting when there are type-defying players playing.
Tebow's 8-4 over the season, ending the regular season as 0-3 with some horrifying performances everyone seems to have forgotten about now. Remember when Tebow threw 60 yards on 22 attempts? Nope, it was Chuck Testa. In games where the opposing team scored 20 or more points, Tim Tebow went 3-3. So they went 5-1 in games where the defense won out. That should define the story of this Denver Broncos season, but it doesn't, and that's sad, because unlike Tim Tebow, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller and their defensive teammates are (mostly) good football players.
See? I'm discussing Tim Tebow, even though I didn't really want to. All I did was mention him, and my mind just went off on a tangent of its own, and took my fingers with it.
My point: Tim Tebow, at least to me, is so interesting not because of his winningness or uniqueness, but because his predictably unpredictable nature casts the nature of NFL discourse into such a stark contrast, which makes people rethink the way we analyze football (this Matt Waldman piece is pretty good if a little fluffy, read it). Rationalists, like Greg Cosell, just shrug and note weirder things have happened, and it's not sustainable. Emotionalists, like Skip Bayless, will insist he has some kind of indefinable character trait that makes him win games. It's fun because they're something for everyone, whereas players who win games by being good at football are kind of boring. And Denver staunchly refuses to lose enough games for the story to end. Well, they'll probably lose against the Patriots. Just like they were probably going to lose against a lot of teams. I won't be watching because it is airing at 4am here, and it shouldn't be that competitive, as long as the Patriots don't throw in a Cover-0 shell in overtime, because that's stupid.
I belong pretty squarely with the rationalists. I know, I know, you're all shocked at this revalation. But being rational doesn't get you very far in the world of sports. If anything, maintaining a rational outlook is pretty much impossible, especially if you're a pretty invested fan of a specific team, like all of us are. I think I'm pretty good at keeping optimistic tendencies/homerism at bay, but to "fix" this I sometimes swing too far to the other end, which is a pain in the ass. But at the best of times irrationality takes over, and I latch on to Golden Tate even though he really hasn't shown that much over two years (not shockingly little, either, just not enough to be as optimistic as I am). That's fine, that's what you're a fan for.
When I watch the Seahawks play, I try to keeps focused, not just watch where the ball is, but to watch multiple parts of the game simultaneously. But man, that gets kind of boring (and drains energy). And you can't really keep it up as a fan anyway. I remember watching our wildcard game against the Saints last year. I was feeling optimistic all game long, watching it with a 49ers fan (I know, but he's good people). We were at our own 33, with about four minutes left, up four points. I was mumbling something to my friend about "we just need a nice, slow, long drive, even if it ends just on a field goal". And then...BeastQuake happened. I sat back, blinked, calmly said "Oh, or that happens", before leaping up, jumping around pumping my fist and shouting "BEAST MODE" like...well...like an idiot. Or like a fan. Take your pick. In moments like those, the distinction is academic.
Here's a better one for you: I love the Seahawks lime green jerseys. Love 'em. You can't tell me that's based on any kind of rational thought. It's not allowed! But man, I'd love to see our team take the field in these massively despised colors again.
So what's my point? Just this. Years back, before I joined Field Gulls, I latched on to advanced stats, particularly Football Outsiders. Advanced Stats are perfect for the rationalists. They're not significantly subjective as long as the methodology is consistent, so there's not a lot of vagueness about it, just rock solid numbers and rock solid conclusions. It's admirable work, and is being refined each year, and I certainly depend on it to supplement my own knowledge of teams across the NFL.
But then I discovered there is no replacement for watching tape. But then...what each person sees in the tape is different. It depends on their own preferences, biases, knowledge of the team, and knowledge of the game overall. So despite what you might expect, someone going "what the tape is saying" bugs me almost as much as Bayless screeching... Well, alright, not nearly as much, but it does bug me, because it reifies an object, which I was taught is bad writing, but also because it pretends there is some kind of uniform, objective message here. There isn't. Which is why for pretty much every writer (except Greg Cosell) I have to confirm their points with my own eyes before I'm buying it.
But I think both advanced stats geeks and smart analysts are making a mistake if they think their work is hugely predictive. It is analytic, and the more it is used as such the more interesting and meaningful it becomes. There is too much parity and unpredictability in the NFL, which is a big part of what makes it such an attractive sport to follow. Analysis helps understand it, and it does help set expectations, but it'll never be all that objective or predictive.
So, that's really me saying: Field Gulls is a place that's always valued rational analysis over everything else. And it should, because we're a blog, and blogs are all about dialog, debates, enriching each others' knowledge. You can't accomplish those goals by screaming at each other about purely subjective stuff like a bunch of Baylesses. Despite the changes we've gone through over the past year, and the different content we offer that has various spots on the rational-to-emotional scale, we've never lost touch with those principles. But nor should we pretend the emotional side of things is just "wrong". If anything, it's that counter sound that you need to remind yourself of the shortcomings of rational analysis, and of the unpredictive nature of the NFL and emotion-driven nature of fandom. I'm not worried about it being drowned out. If anything, it's too loud NFL-journalism-wide, drowning out the rational and being used as a lazy crutch, but I am glad it exists.
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Seriously, to add a little bit more on Tebow, I’ve always considered him a legit NFL prospect, but as a quarterback he’s a long shot, a long project, simply because there’s so much work to be done. But he is an exceptional athlete, and he does have the requisite tools. But in Inle’s name, man, learn how to read a defense, and stop it with that friggin’ catapult throwing motion.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know, he needs to get more consistent obviously.
But I’m not as down on the offense he runs like a lot of people are. High school offense or no, it’s hard to defend when you have someone as talented as him running it. I’m not sure he needs to be much more than a below average typical quarterback for it to work, especially if Denver builds around him, but he’s not even to that point yet.
Whatever the result, the rides going to be a lot of fun.
If it's so hard to defend, you'd expect it to score more points than it does
Especially with the field position that defense gives ’em.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Obviously it's not that hard to defend
Kansas City, Buffalo, New England, and Detroit all found ways to shut him down. And two of those defenses are hot garbage.
Denver’s offense will go the way of the WildCat – Cute and exciting in theory, and then it becomes unwatchable after a few games and no longer works.
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by SSreporters on Jan 13, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Well, just like with any offense, if your quarterback plays like crap you're not very effective.
Tebow needs to come a long ways as a passer for that offense to be consistently effective, but it’s not a gimmick like the wildcat.
Cam Newton is running a lot of the same stuff in Carolina.
It’s just a matter of finding a NFL level passer with the size and athleticism to handle the run load. It’s incredibly demanding of the quarterback position at the NFL level because pass defenses are so much more sophisticated and they need to be a running back on top of it. There are only a few QBs I can think of off the top of my head that could run it. Newton, Tebow, Culpepper in his prime.
But it’s definitely difficult to defend, Tebow has played absolutely terribly at times and it’s been somewhat effective.
Carolina's offense isn't run-option
Sure, it has elements of it, but it is a much more complex, mature offense than Tim Tebow or Vince Young ran. In fact, the only real similarities are that Newton’s number is called on short yardage, and he runs a lot in general.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 14, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
He can read defenses well enough.
On the game winning throw in OT, he saw the safety walk up to the line which allowed him to make the throw he did. The NFLN also has shown occasions of him reading the defense. Obviously he is no Matt Hasselbeck, but there are only a handful of QB’s who can both read defenses and sufficiently execute the offense, let alone lead game winning drives (via TD’s or FG’s). You can’t ignore the play of the rest of the team, but you also can’t ignore that Kyle Orton was leading the broncos to a losing record. The only thing that changed was Tebow becoming the starter. The same defense and special teams were on the field for that 1-4 start.
by William Bryan on Jan 13, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Reading cover-0 is so remedial, it barely even counts as a factor
And the the corner messes up and you huck it deep. Tarvaris Jackson can do that.
And I can, because just because one starter changed, that doesn’t mean you can simplify the answer down to “he’s the factor in their wins”.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Well, as long as he keeps making like El-ahrairah
and getting out of one tough situation after another (would that make Demaryius Thomas Rabscuttle?), he’s not going to have the necessary motivation to change.
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by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I hate Tebow and ESPN
I don’t care how rational or emotional that sounds either.
by FisteeFisterer on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM PST reply actions
But I did like your piece
and I love Field Gulls.
by FisteeFisterer on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I hate ESPN soooo damn much
It’s become an obsession of hatrid!
I do like Mike and Mike, The Sports Reporters, and PTI. Thats about it.
by datboyeddiep on Jan 13, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
I love PTI
Not that I agree with everything Wilbon and Kornheiser says, but even when they’re ignorant they’re at least funny.
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by SSreporters on Jan 13, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
So epic
And how dare you call this a fluff piece. On a serious tip, I thought it was actually really analytical and thought-provoking.
by Danny Kelly on Jan 13, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Oh I don't know, I think he himself would refer to it as such
I don’t use fluff in the pejorative at all. Just that it’s more about ideas and feelings than “here’s what happened on 3rd-and-8”. Musings.
Yeah if that sounded like a backhanded compliment it was not intended as such.
GOOD JOB THOMAS WRITE MORE STUFF LIKE THIS
If anyone needs me to say "as such" a few more times just let me know, I could probably manage that.
I think I need a few more "as suches" to meet my quota...
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by SGT Lenny on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, it's pretty fluffy
And I didn’t like it at all. But when I have a piece I finished but don’t like, I usually just leave it up to Danny whether or not to publish.
(he always says publish)
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah man
What’s that about? The Lime Green jerseys are the shit!
by datboyeddiep on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I, too, enjoy the green jerseys.
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
by Bobby Cink on Jan 13, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We look like a bad arena team in those things.
They are fucking ugly..
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
Ugly is the new thing
Don’t you know? Wearing ugly colors to piss off people. That’s what this country is all about.
by datboyeddiep on Jan 15, 2012 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
Lime green is the greatest uni color ever.
I love the Sounders for making that their primary kit.
by BrianL on Jan 13, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love it so much
I really hope they bring it back soon. If for no other reason than how much national writers hate it.
Hawk trolling pride.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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Those lime green jerseys were atrocious.
by Nate Dogg on Jan 13, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Boo this man!
BOOOOOOOOOOO!
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love it too.
Why is lime green so polarizing? You’d think we were coming out of the tunnel in neon pink.
by jhmg16 on Jan 13, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly if they had just made the numbers dark blue instead of white
They would have looked 100x better
by twocolorcrayon on Jan 13, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Glad to see you've been able to write with more frequency lately Thomas.
I wonder about Tebow, and I’m seriously sorry for giving him a little bit of praise on this note, but I wonder if because of the offense that Denver runs because of him and running the clock down, if it’s helping the defense. How many fewer possessions to opposing offenses get? Maybe 0? Maybe 10?
I don’t think it’s going to do anything to help Denver beat the Patriots, but beating the average and bad teams, how has the offense helped alleviate pressure on the defense? If any.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 13, 2012 10:53 AM PST reply actions
Yeah, they're not beating their own defense.
They’ve turned the ball over less, Orton had 7 picks in 5 games and Tebow had 6 in 11.
Yeah, and I haven't looked it up, but seem to remember fumbles and a couple picks in that 3-game losing streak.
They can’t overcome turnovers like other teams.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
He had that nice three pick one fumble/pick game vs. the Bills.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
On the other hand, Orton had 2 fumbles in 5 games and Tebow had 13 in his 11
Tebow’s running allows him the success he has had but he’s been fairly fumble-prone thus far.
I just saw this on SBN's facebook page and thought I'd share it. Sorry it's so big.
by Danny Kelly on Jan 13, 2012 10:56 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I can make these two pics one.

Maybe take TJ back out.
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Tebow
I really like Tebow. I think he is a good football player, a great if not one of the greatest role models, he is passionate, wants to win, and is a great leader.
BUT, he is a very bad quarterback. I mean soooooo bad. I have never seen anything like this guy. He is terrible, just terrible. What makes things worse is the media coverage, ESPN, he is getting for being a very bad quarterback. He went 10-21 for 316 yards, that to me is terrible! 10-21! If you watch that game again, most of his throws came against cover 0. Who here has heard of cover 0, meaning no safeties? Nobody has, it doesn’t fucking exist! Yet, Tebow floated the ball out there and his receiver made a play. He missed several wide open throws, he skipped a 15 yard throw in the 4th qtr on 3rd down. Yet, we have to hear about how good he is. Totally disregarding how good his teammates are and if not for said teammates, Denver would never win a game with this guy at qb. I am so sick of hearing about Tebow, I went from rooting for him to rooting against him just so it will stop. I want to hear about the Von Miller’s and Champ Bailey’s. You know, the real players who win for Denver. Not some makeshift horrible QB who everybody acts like is the second coming of Jesus!
I say give Pittsburgh's D credit
for sucking so bad that we have to hear about this dude for the rest of the offseason. I’ve seen literally 4 top 10 Tebow plays from ESPN already, and that was during the regular season. Now, even after Brady takes him down, you will surely get to hear about him everyday even during the offseason. Great Scott!
by datboyeddiep on Jan 13, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
It's interesting that you don't give Tebow credit for forcing the defense to go Cover 0
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
No I just don't
It’s hard for me to watch this guy play quarterback and then still be able to give him credit. I give most of the credit to the Denver coaching staff and it’s OC who thoroughly outcoached a hall of famer in Dick Lebeau. Tebow still played a bad game, his bad game trumped a worse game by Pittsburgh’s D. That’s as far as credit goes. I still wanted Tebow to beat Pittsburgh since I hate their Super Bowl stealing guts! That doesn’t discount the fact that Tebow is a piss poor QB. One that I think may see his final start in Denver tomorrow night as a QB in the NFL.
by datboyeddiep on Jan 13, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Well the Broncos didn't do shit...
…in the 1st, 3rd, and 4th quarters.
Just the 2nd quarter and the one play in overtime, and one of the field goals in the second was courtesy of Big Ben’s pick, not anything the defense did.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
I can understand people not seeing Tebow sustaining his success...
…but to say that he played a bad game against the Steelers defies more or less every single statistic that has ever been created to judge the quarterback position and video tape evidence to that supports that he played well.
I recall him having one bad throw, many great throws, and some drops and great defensive plays that took away another few catches.
And even if one claims he had a bad game, that’s assuming – as many fans and pundits seem to think nowadays – that throwing is the only responsibility an NFL quarterback has.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
10-21
I understand he ran well. Pittsburgh played a bad defensive game, one of the worse I’ve ever seen. The game winning throw by Tebow was just thrown into the middle of the field with no safety coverage. It wasn’t a good throw. The first td pass was a great throw. He had some good moments but overall, I say he had a bad game.
by datboyeddiep on Jan 15, 2012 5:49 AM PST up reply actions
Cover 0 does exist
In fact, I remember seeing its like against Matt Hasselbeck before. Others are claiming the Steelers ran a lot of inverted Cover 2, which is possible, it does look a lot like cover 0, but I was seeing straight-up cover 0 most of the time.
I know what Lebeau was thinking though. Tebow has struggled against man coverage over zone this entire year. Just give him man matchups, then sell out to stop the run. It wasn’t a bad gameplan, but the Steelers corners weren’t able to execute. He should have figured that out be overtime, and not called friggin’ cover-0 there. I think it’s time for Dick to retire (I know he’s not, one more year, probably).
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
They definitely should have done something differently
That gameplan was executed poorly by Pittsburgh’s D. I had no clue, nor have I ever heard of Cover 0. If they were running an inverted cover 2, they better throw that shit out of the playbook.
by datboyeddiep on Jan 13, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
You won't see it from us
Because running Cover-0 with Earl Thomas is stupid. Cover 0 doesn’t mean no safeties, note, just that there is no one outside of the box allowed to roam free, everything is man coverage + stacking the box. Allows for good blitzing, run blitzing, run defense. But obviously, it’s not a base defense anyone runs, or even runs with any frequency. It just makes some sense against Tebow, and could’ve worked with better corners/execution.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the explaination
I know it doesn’t literally mean no safeties, just that there is no zone coverage over the top to help out. It should have worked against Tebow, but the Broncos seemed ready for that. Credit them for getting Tebow ready as well.
by datboyeddiep on Jan 13, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Nice writing Beekers
I think it’s nice for you to note the impact of the “narrative” in this piece. I think your technical analysis of plays and players demonstrates great depth, and I would be disppointed to see you softening the rational element, but I’d like to hear a bit more of your personal voice even in your most technical pieces, even if it is just a token sentence or two at the end.
In a game where literally the difference in outcome can literally be inches in a ref’s spot, the minimal deflection of a pass, a PI call that could go either way – the strength of the narrative can easily be the deciding factor with two evenly matched teams. Think of the Giants Super Bowl victory over the Pats, the Saints run to the Super Bowl with the hopes of the city of NO behind them, (as much as I hate to say it) the narrative of Bettis retiring and playing his last game in Detroit, and the Tom Brady and Kurt Warner “QB out of nowhere that nobody wanted” winning the big one in their first chance as a starter. Certainly the narrative doesn’t replace talent, preparation, and strategy, but in a game where ekeing out that last fraction of effort means your team did more than the other, where narrative means just a little more luck your way, or another flag in your teams’ favor – who can deny it’s importance?
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
I treat technical analysis too much like academic pieces
Which makes sense, since I’ve been doing primarily academic pieces for years now. But I’ve also always been a creative writer (a good one? I dunno), so I should probably mix it up a little more, I tend to keep it too separate. John Morgan was a pro at this stuff, not to compare myself to him, but it’s a good goal to set for oneself.
Also, can’t deny its importance. But also has to recognize how impossible it is to measure and identify it accurately. It’s got no easy answers.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
One recommendation to start would be to write your academic piece.
Wait overnight to submit it, and before you do edit the piece with a counterargument or supportive Beekers-as-fan perspective with temporal distance from the analytical process you used while writing it, perhaps with a lambic to lubricate your limbic system.
I agree that you can’t quantify the narrative, and that is the beauty of sport. Without the narrative, sports is only a sequence of probability events, like dice rolls or autoshuffle blackjack.
And honestly, as good as your analysis is, I usually appreciate your personal/fan-perspective insight as much or more than your technical points.
Thanks again for writing here, and keeping me educated and entertained.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Yeah, just channel the under thorazine'd part of your brain that digs the lime jerseys.
Bingo! Creativity. Because as we all know, any artist worth his salt is just a psychotic with good social skills.
I'm so positive, you'll need AZT later.
Heh, almost all my pieces are submitted 24 hours before publishing
And written and rewritten right up until the minute they’re published, and sometimes still afterwards. I’m a bit of a spaz about this stuff, which is probably also why I just let Danny decide on these pieces when I have no idea if it’s worth reading. Pieces like these are just me sorting through my own thoughts, I have no idea when it’s interesting to other people.
I dunno, still working to improve, which, y’know, makes sense. But it’s fun to write about the NFL, especially when you have a sense you understand what’s going on more, it makes it easier to frame stuff like this.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you on valuing film over stats.
Only so much can be gleaned from stats in football, and the same stat can be argued to have opposite meanings (like YAC: WR bailing out the QB or the QB leading the WR).
I tend to look through the old Chuck Knox prism, “doe’s he make football plays?” in how I evaluate players. As far as Tebow goes, he doesn’t make many of them.
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Holy T-Boned Batman - even Field Gulls is getting a T-Boner
Ever since the Denver Tebows drafted him, the media outlets have been T-Bonin the entire country 20 times a day. I don’t dislike the guy, but I’m sick of getting T-Boned!
I plead the 1st Commandment.
by Moose Knuckles on Jan 13, 2012 11:53 AM PST reply actions
I share you frustration
nothing like being teboned. I’m tired of it!
by datboyeddiep on Jan 15, 2012 6:01 AM PST up reply actions
This Tebow crap is getting
More ridiculous then the “favre watch” bullshit a few years ago.
I will admit, I loved it when he (Broncos) beat the Stealers. That was a great day.
by Redzone59 on Jan 13, 2012 12:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Haha
See, because I don’t get your TV or radio here, I’ve never actually seen a full episode of PTI or its ilk, I don’t really get the sense of Tebow-weariness the rest of you do. Sorry for adding to it.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 14, 2012 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Watching Tebow is like...
Watching a train wreck. It hurts so much but you can’t keep from watching. Thanks Tebow for making my NFL experience painfully enjoyable.
by SpellStitchedHawk on Jan 13, 2012 12:44 PM PST reply actions
I don't think Broncos fans give a fig how sound their football is.
At some point, football is a competition where the goal is to win, and students of the game just need to relax and come along for the ride.
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by Brandon8 on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Haha.
Succinctly stating what my meandering attempt tried to.
Well done!
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 13, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
They should
because it has a lot to do with whether the winning continues or not.
"Baseball isn't the world's best distraction, but only because it's so easy to start a fire." --Jeff Sullivan
by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's better to be famous than to be good...
Ask the Kardashians.
Being good has staying power
being famous doesn’t.
Though to be fair, one might say that both the Kardashians’ and Tebow’s fame rests in large part on being pretty, which is likely to have a lot more staying power for the former than the latter.
"Baseball isn't the world's best distraction, but only because it's so easy to start a fire." --Jeff Sullivan
by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 14, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Thats something to worry about in the offseason
Right now they should be living it up
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
Agreed. I don't think they give a fig about the future either.
That’s for us rationalists too. :)
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Somewhere among the goats and tundra of Canada or the wheat of Nebraska...
Eric Crouch is spitting mad.
Most of my cliches aren't original.
- Chuck Knox
He's mad Tommy Frazier didn't get the same break as Tebow
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
One day, we might be the lone place on the Internet where people can discuss Tebow without mentioning religion whatsoever.
But we’re not quite there yet. You know the rules.
by Benne on Jan 13, 2012 9:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

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