SB Nation Officially Opposes SOPA
The official stance, which should be of no surprise to anyone. Read about how SOPA can hurt the hard work everyone on Field Gulls and SB Nation is doing and don't be afraid to do your part in stopping this ridiculousness by contacting legislation.
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I think in the idea of self preservation
an exception has to be made.
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by jubelthebear on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Of course they oppose it.
All of the scouting tape, game film, and gifs posted would get this site shut down. Even though all of material posted here only promotes and enhances the NFL’s brand.
Suits can be very shortsighted about this kind of stuff.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
But why would I tune in to watch an NFL game...
When I can watch 5 frame gifs of their copyrighted material here?
by Fumanchuchu on Jan 18, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Everything is shut down today but
if they want to get their point across to everyone Facebook,Youtube and Twitter need to shut down.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
They all sell advertising so it's not really an option.
I think Google’s silent protest with their blacked out logo is fairly effective.
A lot of places that sell advertising are shut down today
The point needs to be made.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
Which ones, out of curiosity?
I don’t at all disagree that the point needs to be made, I just don’t see how a for-profit business can reconcile going offline to make a point when they have thousands of clients paying them to do exactly the opposite. And I would suggest that this is the reason huge sites like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube are still up.
You could also make the argument that the best way to spread the word about SOPA is via social networks, because my FB and Twitter timelines are jammed with people posting about Wikipedia being down right now.
Fark sells advertising,Reddit might I don't know
The best way would be advertising it but most people don’t care and wont read it.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
I'd guess that a for profit business
looks at the situation and says "what’s the most economical way to make our point?’.
Do we spend millions lobbying congress, or do we shut down for a short time period? Which is more effective?
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Good point
But I didn’t mean that it isn’t in the best self-interests of these businesses, rather that it is sort of difficult for a company that sells advertising to say to their thousands or hundreds of thousand of clients that they’re just switching off the lights for a whole day. Do they issue a prorated refund to everyone? What if you as an advertiser specifically wanted to target your audience on this day (for whatever reason)?
It’s just a big can of worms that I wouldn’t want to open up.
If you do that I think you run the risk of alienating and pissing off the many people who use these sites every five seconds
To post about something very very very important.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
You would
but think how pissed off they’d be if these things were to somehow pass and Youtube is forced to probably shutdown ? You want to make the point before it’s too late.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
I don't disagree, I just think the companies weighed the risk and decided not to
Also, sites like Facebook, Youtube and Twitter are prime tools for spreading information. I can see them shutting it down for a short while to make a point, but eventually they’re going to need them.
But then, they didn’t shut them down at all. You’re probably right. A half day, or even a few hour blackout, would’ve been great. Twitter and facebook would’ve lit up right afterwords.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 18, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I couldn't see Facebook going dark for more than half an hour,
It would be like turning off the phone system for a lot of people.
by Fumanchuchu on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
and people would really get the message.
It would basically be a giant bloody horses head under your covers type of message.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
I have been under a rock (work) lately
What’s going on?
by Redzone59 on Jan 18, 2012 9:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I heard that...
I could really use the sleep
by Redzone59 on Jan 18, 2012 9:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That link will explain it better than I ever could.
It’s legislation that potentially censors the internet. THE INTERNET!
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 18, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
SOPA is a decoy bill
It was written intentionally to be draconic and kind of ridiculous, so the protests can rage and tire out against it now, and they can pass their originally intended, more reasonable bill. Classic trick, and it’s working like a charm.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
God I hate politicians
I’ve finally come to the conclusion that it’s like the car-salesman profession, you have to be a snake to excel at it. If you’re honest and a good person, you’ll never make it in the door.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
The politicians are just doing what corporations want them to do
by djafrot on Jan 18, 2012 10:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
That was the old trick.
But when the decoy bills started passing….
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
I've been feeling like it's "too poorly written to be true"
or at least “… to be passed”
sadly, I never drew the connection that it might be intentional and part of a grand scheme.
hate.
I am against SOPA
But I am willing to admit that is because I enjoy benefiting from other people’s copyright infringement. Copyright infringement is ubiquitous on the internet, we don’t provide adequate enforcement opportunities for people to protect the rights given under intellectual property laws. Part of the problem is that we have let this go on so long that people are just use to all these cool, free things on the internet that they use to have to pay for because someone has copyright in them. We either need to change the scope of copyright protection or give copyright holders a more enforcement techniques.
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Warning: politics imminent
I see what you have to say about free content (I love it. I’m a musician and I leak my own material, I even downloaded my own album because it was faster than having a bandmate send it to me)
However there are more subtle issues involved here, issues like censorship, responsibility of content & internet security and integrity (DNS seizure and filtering, the latter of which I think is off the bill).
And in these troublesome times, let us all be reminded: copyright infringement is not a crime. It is a tort (just wikipedia it…tomorrow).
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by jubelthebear on Jan 18, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Politics (at least political issues) were imminent when the fanshot was posted
I am not supporting SOPA, doing so on the internet would be the most futile thing in the world even if I was. But I have read the act and think that a lot of people are being alarmist about it too and getting their information from parties that don’t necessarily know what they are talking about. For example, the linked fanshot says that SBN could be subject to an in rem suit. Now, I don’t know here they got this legal opinion from, and wouldn’t go so far as to say it is wrong, but my interpretation of the act would say that they would only be subject to an in rem suit if they are operating a foreign infringing site or registered a domain for a foreign infringing site AND the attorney general couldn’t figure out who owned the site.
And in these troubled times, let us all be reminded: copyright is constitutionally protected too “to promote the progress of science and useful arts…” etc.
:)
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/friendly sarcasm: first politics and now chatspeak?!? Whats FG coming to?
Ya know I didn’t read SBN’s article because they don’t have the best analyses. And while I am no lawyer, after reading their bit on in rem and reading some totally reliable online definition about it, I’m not sure where they got that idea from. Still aren’t they potentially liable for any copyrighted material posted on their website or associate websites?
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by jubelthebear on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
In rem is fancy lawyer chatspeak for "against the property"
And yes, they would potentially be liable for copyrighted material posted on their website, but that would be under DMCA anyway. Of course it is never that simple, fair use, safe harbors, etc. And thank you for keeping it friendly, I am walking away from any heated discussion on the topic. No point in getting mad defending something I don’t even want.
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Ha ha! Thanks. You legal types and your translatios in vulgarum
So I see what you’re saying about the alarmism part. Perhaps a lot of the uproar is this definition and consolidation of power. Like, if you will, seeing that ominous figure that you knew was hiding in the shadows.
And I respect moderation and perspective, especially if its a calm voice amidst panic. But I still don’t trust this bill (and I know you don’t also). And I don’t trust it because of who’s sponsoring & supporting the bill (mostly organizations whos’ views on art & society I am staunchly opposed to) and who could potentially control the flow of information and ideas online.
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by jubelthebear on Jan 18, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
You know who didn't have the legal concept of copyright?
The Soviet Union!
Oh yeah, argument? Won.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 18, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just waiting for the replicator from Star Trek
So I can infringe on a patent, trademark, and copyright all at once. Still trying to figure out how to misappropriate a trade secret at the same time though.
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by Trenchtown on Jan 18, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Actually it is a crime.
I know I am currently awaiting sentencing on a criminal copyright infringement charge for my involvement with a pirate site that let people watch TV and Movies.
Ignore everything about the politics and IP law just for a moment
SOPA and PIPA need to be opposed because they are extraordinarily dangerous to the fundamental integrity and security of the Internet.
While the MPAA and SOPA/PIPA backers have said that DNS blacklisting is no longer in the bills as a required compontent, it still allows for it to happen. This is perhaps the most frightening component of it all. If pressure can be put on ISPs to blacklist websites via DNS, we are all in trouble.
Let me illustrate this to you on a small scale.
A simplistic explanation, DNS is sort of the cache and address book that allows your computer to talk to anything that exists outside of it. Type in an address into your web browser and it consults the DNS, which looks up the name you’ve entered and attempts to match it to an IP address. Once it has that, you’re sent to the address you typed in.
Problems arise when you start tweaking the DNS and messing with its tables.
Where I work, we’ve got serious DNS problems. Computers have been replaced so many times over the years we’re having problems communicating from one machine to another over the network. For example, the machine OFFICE-HR1 has seven or eight different IP addresses associated with it in the DNS because that name has been given to seven or eight different devices as that machine has been replaced over the year. Trouble is, those IP addresses are also associated with different computers currently on the network.
When I try to remote into OFFICE-HR1, I’m sent to a machine on the other side of the building because it’s referencing an older IP address in the table that’s been handed out to a different computer. DNS, unfortunately, doesn’t know that because its tables have gotten muddied over the years.
Now, imagine those bloated and messed up DNS caches and tables on a much, much bigger scale. Imagine you’re doing your online banking, but suddenly the packets you’ve thrown at your bank’s website get re-routed to the wrong place because DNS is confused after the government and corporations put pressure on ISPs to blacklist and alter their DNS.
If you’re not frightened by that possibility, you should be.
by BrianL on Jan 18, 2012 9:57 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
I keep my money in my matress
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
by Lo Pann on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
By 2016 all matresses will be hooked up to the internet
Most will offer direct deposit
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by Trenchtown on Jan 18, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Son of a bitch!
It’s bad enough that the machines are going to turn on us but not my sleep number!
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
You have a sleep number? nevermind
Your mattress has been hooked up to the internet for at least three years. Major League Baseball has been collecting your firmness preferences while you sat back and watched dingers.
I'm too important to this team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.
I'm a Mariners fan
We have no dingers
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
by Lo Pann on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Soon, sleeping on mattresses will be a thing of the past
We’ll plug ourselves in, put goggles on, and wander around in virtual sleep.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 18, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you!
Thanks for dumbing this down for me.. This is what I know about computers and stuff.. Turn it on, if it doesn’t work pick it up and fuckin throw it. Call I.T.!!!
by Redzone59 on Jan 18, 2012 10:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
DNS blacklisting is a completely useless, tiringly easy to circumvent method
Why is it a big deal, from a censorship perspective? Just type in the IP instead of the name.
DNSs becoming overly complicated seems like a separate problem. I don’t see the connection. But I’m not very good at this techy stuff.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
DNS getting bloated is, admittedly, a hard to grasp technical issue.
And you are correct that it won’t stop anyone bound determined to pirate. The issue is that it’s going to jeopardize the security of average Joe computer user. It’s a very unintended consequence of these bills and is one that security analysts have been screaming about since these bills showed up.
And I'm not talking about DNS blacklisting from a censorship perspective as much as I am a security perspective.
The censorship aspect is extremely important, yes, but what is getting overlooked is the threat these bills poses from an integrity and security angle.
Or, rather, the angle one should present to corporations and lawmakers who don't give two fucks about censorship.
I’ll stop replying to myself now.
I think they might have scratched the part about DNS seizing
I’m searching for a reliable source regarding that.
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by jubelthebear on Jan 18, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Smith to Remove DNS Blocking from SOPA
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by jubelthebear on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Don't ISPs already DNS block?
I know they do here. I think the Pirate Bay got blocked the other day, not sure.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 18, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Not nearly to the scale that these bills could easily lead to.
DNS will get tweaked out of necessity from time to time. Where it gets dangerous is when there’s wholesale alterations in a large scale.
Alright
Good insight, man, thanks.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 18, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking about TPB
see the ‘press release’ on their website? Haha, makes a helluva lot of good points, and even ends in a funny manner!
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 18, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a replication issue at your office.
It’s not an inherent design flaw in DNS that has to be suffered.
Simplified even further, namespace lookup just maps human-friendly names to IP addresses. The URLs anyone cares about are widely distributed and this issue would not surface as relevant if SOPA is rolled out.
But DNS blacklisting, even if circumventable, still has teeth. Below you astutely mentioned, it may not stop those bound and determined to pirate. What it would serve as, is a low-level impediment that would discourage many users as their free consumption process became more convoluted. And I believe the psychology germane to the whole equation would make some difference, too: if numbers diminish, some more casual users will be less inclined to dismiss things because “everybody does it.”
The diminished incentive of the user can also diminish the incentive of the pirating enterprise, if volume or revenues drop.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Jan 18, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
SOPA IS THE DEVIL!

Learn JiuJitsu.
Semper Fi'
My ribs hurt.
by RolloTomasi on Jan 18, 2012 11:23 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
From What I've Read
It appears that SOPA could turn into the “Big Red Button” Like some other countries like Egypt had during their issues, where they could turn off their outgoing internet with the flick of a switch.
I agree that this is more political than anything, but if it affects where you eat, shit and sleep, it becomes an issue for EVERYONE.
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We were so against China when they were censoring Google
Hmmm….there’s a similarity here….
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 18, 2012 12:12 PM PST reply actions
I've heard, if SOPA/PIPA passed, the government would use the same technology China and Iran uses to block "unacceptable content."
That’s not a boat I want to jump into.
Ah, irony at it's finest!
Now…who do we thank for the politicians in charge of the country…..
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 18, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
It's impossible not to bring politics into this
Let’s put it this way – If SOPA or PIPA passes and Obama doesn’t veto either (and I think Obama would veto either one of these things), there will be riots locally, nationally, globally, and it could be uglier than anything Occupy Wall Street did over the last few months.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
by SSreporters on Jan 18, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It would bring the same kind of passion and anger online, where it's FAR EASIER to organize and coordinate ideas.
I don’t know about real-life riots, but an uptick in rebellious hacking and more Anonymous-like organizations sprouting up and causing havoc would be a certainty. SOPA might keep your Uncle Bob from downloading the latest Katy Perry album, or whatever, but the online backlash against supporters of these horrible bills will be felt.
You mean online riots?
I think you are seeing those today. People won’t care if this thing is executed correctly.
1- Pass a “far less restrictive” measure with ability to make it more restrictive in the future.
2- Slowly ratchet up the restrictions.
There's no such thing as an ugly online riot
Unless it’s the Government vs. 4Chan.
I’m talking protests and riots outside of government offices.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
by SSreporters on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Not to get into a political discussion
But why would you think Obama would veto? He didn’t veto the Patriot Act renewal or the NDA Act.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
In an election year? That would be a surefire way for him to be voted out.
Especially by the young population…and that would be quite ironic.
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by SSreporters on Jan 18, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
The youth don't vote
Old people vote. Old people don’t like newfangled gadgets so they don’t care.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
by Lo Pann on Jan 18, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tread lightly guys... Try to stay on SOPA.
I know we started this, and that SOPA is political in nature, but keep this discussion about saving the Internet/FieldGulls, etc..
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 18, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Old people also steal
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. - Al Swearengen
by Lo Pann on Jan 18, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's why we stopped carrying batteries
I'm too important to this team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.
As long as you understand that the other guy running,
is a corporate raider/leveraged buyout king and is likely to sell the whole damn internet off and what’s left of the web will look worse than comcast cable.
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I was trying to keep it related to the internet/sopa future,
but noted. And over.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
was still funny
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 18, 2012 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
I think this whole anti-SOPA movement has been pretty cool to watch today.
It’s like THE thing all of us can agree upon. Warm and fuzzy yada yada USA! USA! USA! etc
by jhmg16 on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Haha yeah mainly because most people have done something technically 'illegal' at some point
Can’t we be like Star Trek Next Generation where there’s what, no crime, no class system and whatnot? That’d be cool. We could even have a saucer shaped ship led by a really cool bald guy who talks funny.
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 18, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I wanted censored internet,
it would’ve been easier to move to China.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
This post didn;t get censored, did it?
After all, it was rec’d five times…
Really.
SBN is opposed to censorship, huh?
The irony is practically dripping off my computer screen.
“We don’t want our people to be preoccupied with seminude, crazy men jumping up and down who are chasing an inflated object,” said Sheik Mohamed Osman Arus, head of operations for the Hizbul Islam insurgent group.
by PaulThomas on Jan 18, 2012 4:50 PM PST reply Star Unrec? 5 recs
I clicked the story, found the post you're looking for
Clicked the link, which was to here.
And I still have no idea what you’re trying to say with your comment.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 18, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Uhm
All I got out of that was a great example of grammar holocaust
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
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