Seattle's Free Agents
by dcrockett17 on Jan 2, 2012 8:10 PM PST
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PrintNaturally, much of the discussion about this off-season will surround new players Seattle might bring in to improve a rapidly improving young team. However, even though re-signing current free agents is less likely to generate water cooler talk than the prospect of brand new free agents an important key to continuous improvement is continuity. In order to get better guys have to play together.
We should expect less roster churn than we saw in the first two off-seasons of the Carroll/Schneider regime. Still, some turnover is inevitable. Carroll/Schneider have not been bashful in expressing their willingness to upgrade where it makes sense to do so.
After the jump, let's take a look at Seattle's pending free agents. I'll offer a one line thought on who stays and who goes.
From Curtis Crabtree's article:
Exclusive Rights Free Agents
1. Kennard Cox, CB -- I doubt Cox will be a high priority
2. Clinton McDonald, DT -- I expect Seattle to tender McDonald
Restricted Free Agents
1. Roy Lewis, CB -- a quality nickelback but not an irreplaceable one, and there is a lot of competition at the position
2. Stephen Hauschka, PK -- should be an easy re-sign
Unrestricted Free Agents
1. Charlie Whitehurst, QB -- unlikely to return under almost any circumstance
2. Marshawn Lynch, RB -- Seattle is in good position to re-sign Beast Mode and draft positional depth
3. Justin Forsett, RB -- seems to have lost a quarter-step he could not afford; is very unlikely to return
4. Michael Robinson, RB -- a very important contributor whose versatility the team values highly
5. John Carlson, TE -- has probably seen his last snaps in Seattle
6. Breno Giacomini, T -- may have "nastied" his way onto the 2012 roster, but lots of competition from King
7. Mike Gibson, G -- probably gone
8. Paul McQuistan, G/T -- quality veteran depth familiar with the offense, and will likely return
9. Raheem Brock, DE -- Seattle will look to upgrade through the draft and/or the market
10. Red Bryant, DE -- I think a team will have to sweep him off his feet to get him away from Seattle
11. Jimmy Wilkerson, DE -- spent most of the season injured, likely moving on
12. Anthony Hargrove, DE/DT -- played well at times as quality veteran depth
13. David Hawthorne, LB -- "Heater" is part of the core and more valuable in Seattle than anywhere else
14. Leroy Hill, LB -- same as Hawthorne, every reason to return on a reasonable deal
15. Heath Farwell, LB -- became the special teams ace after McCoy was injured
16. David Vobora, LB -- likely will not return
17. Matt McCoy, LB -- injury, Farwell's play, and the emergence of some young guys will make returning tough
18. Atari Bigby, S -- valuable special teams contributor and safety depth, but may have trouble keeping a spot
So, what are your thoughts? I suspect that most would consider re-signing Lynch and Hawthorne to reasonable deals to be fairly high priority. What about these other guys?
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I think we might look into getting Carlson back but with him spending the majority of his contract year on IR I'm not sure how pricey it would be to retain him.
Morrah is decent but McCoy was a big disappointment this year. I really wanted to see Carlson and Miller on the field at the same time.
His comments on sticking with the team were a bummer, but probably just realistic
I too was hoping we could see Miller and Carlson play together.
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by GriffinNW on Jan 2, 2012 11:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Carlson needs to be Jurevicius'd ASAP!
His size, hands and route-running abilities are too valuable to lose; convert him to WR, because he is not a good blocking TE, and he should focus on his strengths. Ideally, John sticks around for cheap due to his shoulder injury, and uses next season as an opportunity to grow into a player worthy of his 2nd round pedigree.
with a 4.89 40 time
he will be significantly slower than BMW, and way too slow for a WR
If he stops playing TE, he can lose weight and boost his speed.
More to playing WR than just college 40 time….it’s up to Carroll and Carlson if it’s an experiment worth pursuing. I think it is.
Couple of things
He would have to shed a bit of weight to get even into the 4.6 range if he can.
Second why move from a talent deprived area, like TE to a Talent rich position like WR?
Durham is taller, faster, and runs better routes.
We should really be trying to get BMW to play TE….
This is pretty much fantasy
He’s a decent TE but there’s no reason to think he’d be able to change his body and his skillset enough to become a capable WR, let alone a better WR than he is a TE. I’d be surprised if you could identify a single NFL player that successfully made this conversion (after entering the NFL).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 11, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
The closest would be Ed McCaffrey, Marques Colston and Dallas Clark, who are all "tweeners."
Colston was actually listed as a TE his rookie year by some fantasy sites/publications. He never really went inside though and was full time WR by year two. McCaffrey was a “blocking WR” more than a TE and I can’t really find much TE type listing for him, and Dallas Clark is 6’3" 250 and definitely a hybrid as he isn’t much of a blocker at all.
Still, none of those guys ever made an official switch. Colston was guessed upon in year 1 and the others pretty much stayed who they were, a pass first TE and a receiver who was big and could block.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure where your LB depth logic is coming from
Farwell doesn’t have nearly the nickelbacker ability of Vobora or McCoy, as far as I know, and that’s a key contribution for those young LBs. Would think one of Vobora or McCoy is it.
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I see Farwell as sticking to play special teams
I’d think McCoy is fighting off Malcolm Smith and likely another draft pick to stick around.
Vobora I like, but I think there’ll be a market for him. I don’t think Schneider will necessarily fight to keep him.
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Vabora is young, McCoy and Farwell are not.
There may be a ST market for Vabora. He has a lot to learn at LB though.
Nickelbackers are different from base package linebackers how?
More pass coverage duties?
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Simple answer:
Nickelbackers are Canadian.
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by hazbro24 on Jan 3, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Frostbacks" as Easterbrook calls 'em.
Well, the ones that venture south of the four-nine, that is.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Yes.
And our starting linebackers being forced in at nickelbacker was baaaaaaad. We really missed Herring.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 3, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Now THAT's for darn sure
it didn’t hurt that we seemingly lost all our LB depth this year.
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I think Hill may end up gone.
I think they’ll look hard at a pass rushing LB in the draft. I assume that they really like Malcolm Smith, both as somebody who can play on ST as well as rotate in as depth. If they draft a LB, Hill would have to compete with somebody, maybe Mike Morgan or another free agent for the last depth spot and I don’t know if he would be willing to take that.
if we have to keep Hill or Hawthorne we need to keep Hill more,
He is more versatile than Hawthorne (coverage, run stopping, pressuring) and can play both OLB spots. Wright isnt fast enough to be in coverage he really needs to be moved inside, leaving an OLB slot open for a draft pick.
With McCoy being almost completely inept
and Morrah being hit or miss, I really don’t understand why so many consider it a given that Carlson will not be back.
Sure, maybe Byrd gets a good look, but that still only leaves us with 3 tight ends.
You read the quotes from Carlson?
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by GriffinNW on Jan 2, 2012 11:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
No, but I have heard reference a few times
Still don’t know what he said :-/
Referring to this?
“I’d like to,” Carlson said. “But it kind of depends on how they feel about me. If it’s a mutual thing, that would be great. If it doesn’t work out that way? I don’t know where I’m at with the team at this point so that’s kind of where it’s at.”
That doesnt seem at all bad.
It feels like Carlson has been on IR all year and hasnt kept in touch with the Hawks…oh wait he was on IR all year…If the hawks contact his agent, im sure they could make decent deal. He wont be as cheap as his rookie contract, and might command more than league minimum, but I dont think much above that.
Agreed, those tea leaves aren't saying anything.
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Morrah and McCoy are both clearly backups
Carlson is a potential starter. He’ll have a market.
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Petey name dropped John Nalbone today on Brock and Salk
Obviously doesn’t mean much at this point…but still means something. He was just asked “did you leave any words for any players for the offseason.” Pete went on his own, brought up Portis, Carp, and then Nalbone. Said he’s been doing an awesome job, no one has really seen, but has been stepping up in practice and really looking forward to him next year. So should mean something he randomly pulls Nalbone into the convo.
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With the amount of cap space availible
I just don’t understand why they can’t afford to make a reasonable offer to an already established player vs. someone on the PS
No one said they can't / wont
all speculation at this point…
I don’t think Carlson would really demand that huge of a contract. He hasn’t really lived up to expectations for multiple reasons (a lot of them outside of his control), so who knows, maybe it’ll only take a reasonable backup/fringe-starter level contract to keep him. If he’s healthy and they can use him in the system, maybe they’d love to have him back and make it happen.
But of course, there are other factors as well. Such as, do you really want that much money in your TE position where it could make a bigger impact elsewhere, such as Dline. OR if there are bigger priorities ala Lynch and depending if they’re looking at any particular FAs to boot.
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If it's a copycat league (and it is) then Carlson should see good offers elsewhere
Patriots, Saints, Packers and Ravens have all spent early-to-mid round draft picks on mobile pass-catching TEs in recent years. Gronk. Hernandez. Graham. Finley. Dickson. Maybe coming off IR isn’t the greatest way to enter the UFA market, but I can’t imagine he doesn’t get nibbles elsewhere. Whether the Hawks feel the need to treat this as a priority for them is an entirely different issue. My guess is, resigning him is at best their 4th priority (after Red, Lynch and MRob, although you could argue Hill and/or Hawthorne would be next) and that JC will get a better offer than one might think.
by sideshow bob on Jan 5, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Carlson doesn't really compare to those guys. They are huge.
As far as copy-cat, I’d say that those teams are taking advantage of new rules against helmet to helmet and “defenseless” receivers that have opened up the middle of the field allowing big guys to run free and safties to pull up.
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Carlson is 6'5"/250. Not exactly small.
by Matt Erickson on Jan 5, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Carlson is roughly my size but a bit heavier.
Gronk is 6’ 8" and 280. I look at him and say freakin’ huge, Carlson not so much. Graham is 6’ 6" 260 but plays like he’s 7 feet tall.
I guess my point is that those guys can elevate and make plays around 11-11.5 feet in the air like nothin’, and Carlson is a mere earthbound mortal like me.
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Carlson looks smaller because of his boyish charm and rugged good looks.
He has had issues with running quality routes, but there is some potential there that has been wasted with a bad Oline and lack of mentorship.
I think you're onto something here
The hair is the problem…the Friar Tuck haircut does not build terror in the hearts of linebackers and safeties. If the NFL were on the set of Weird Science, JC would be Wyatt and Gronk would be Chet. Give JC a nice tight fade, early 90s NBA-style, and he’ll be mentioned in the same class as Gronk et al.
The crazy thing is, Nick Reed rocks more or less the same haircut as JC (a little shorter, but still) and you don’t see that slowing him down do you. Which just speaks to the power of Nick Reed.
by sideshow bob on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Heh heh
Yeah I can roll with you there. I’m a measly 6’1"/220. All of these guys make me feel wee.
by Matt Erickson on Jan 6, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
6'4" 215ish, carry 250 easily.
I’ve thought more than a couple times I choose the wrong sport in basketball… I could have been a beast with the right lifting program, was quick for my size and had great hands.
Oh well. Today’s tight ends are the small and power forwards of a decade ago…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2012 12:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Do you have a problem with their talent evaluation of unestablished players?
Because I think that’s undoubtedly the best strength of our front office so far.
Way too soon to say
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 4, 2012 5:01 AM PST up reply actions
McCoy is not anywhere near incompetent.
He had issues with drops that overshadowed his ability to get open, which is quite good for a young tight end. He also won the job in the first place because of his blocking, which he excelled at this season.
by Nate Dogg on Jan 3, 2012 1:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Incompetent is a big, nasty word, totally.
His blocking is good, and the potential is there, but holy hell his drops have been a major issue.
Then again, drops have been an issue for a lot of players on this team. There was discussion about Jackson being one of those quarterbacks who can get the ball there but not in a way that’s easy for a receiver to make a play on the ball… perhaps this is a factor?
Let me clarify:
There are two problems. Accuracy and throwing a catchable ball. I assumed you were talking about the latter.
T Jack is not very accurate as a pass-leader. He frequently throws balls too close to the sideline on go routes that lead recievers out of bounds. Also his back shoulder throws are low most of the time causing the WR to have to contort. This I’ll agree to.
There is this nfl thing about people throwing more or less “catchable balls” though. Like there can be people who throw a football that hits you in the hands or chest, and because of the way the ball comes out of the QB’s hand it’s more difficult to see or catch. This is, as far as I know, mostly a myth. Some recievers seem to have no problems catching balls from people no matter who’s throwing it. It leads me to believe that it’s a vision or concentration problem. Roethlisberger frequently throws wobbly ducks at high speed (not sure how he does that) and people still seem to be able to catch his passes.
Yeah, I know he's not accurate
But I tend to cringe when people are talking about throwing"catchable balls" because the receivers should catch them,. Not catching balls thrown within your catch radius is on the receiver.
Not all QB are Drew Brees, and it’s not like these guys don’t have superior hand-eye coordination and position coaches doing pass catching drills all week. It’s a focus/concentration/technique problem.
And no, I wasn’t a QB. :)
I'm not sure how you think every single quarterback throws an equally catchable ball.
That’s clearly not true. A ball that is on time and in the right spot is a hell of a lot easier to catch. We can blame the receiver all we want, but not all receivers are the same.
Clearly not what I was talking about.
In fact, I said, in specific words what I meant.
If a ball hits you squarely in the hands or chest, and you are an NFL WR, TE, or pass catching RB – you should catch it. I have problems with people using some mythical ESPN talking head metric like “Hasselbeck doesn’t throw a catchable ball” in terms of some voodoo spin or ball movement that prevents Koren Robinson or Jerramy Stevens from hanging onto a perfectly delivered pass. That shit is on the reciever.
I agree they make it seem a bit esoteric I think they're talking about pace and timing on the ball.
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Did you not listen to Steve Young.
Brady talks through the football. He is the pigskin whisperer.
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I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
I’m not talking about spin on the ball or anything like that, please point out where I did.
What is important to me is where the ball is placed in relation to where the receiver is. Good quarterbacks put the ball in a place where it gives the receiver the best chance to catch it. If it’s a slant route, you don’t throw it at his back shoulder, but if it’s a back shoulder fade (duh) you do.
The better your QB is at this, the less drops you’ll have. This isn’t saying that receivers have no responsibility in catching the ball.
I think there were three times on the weekend where Obumanu didn’t catch balls that he could have. All three times the fault was a combination of him and Jackson, to varying degrees. For example, on the deep pass that went off his fingertips early, it was ALMOST a perfect pass but not quite, but circumstances made it so that it would have had to be an incredible catch. Later, he ran a fade stop and the ball, while catchable, was down way too low and away.
A receiver that’s more on his game makes some or all of these catches. A quarterback that’s more on his game makes these catches a hell of a lot easier.
I didn't accuse you of doing anything.
This is the second time in like four posts you seem to think I said something I didn’t say.
:)
I really hope they're able to bring Hargrove back, he's a very nice young veteran to have in the rotation.
My guess is that Hawthorne ends up leaving. There’s good linebacker depth in this draft and they good replace him outright or draft an OLB and try moving Wright inside. Maybe it’s just the scheme, with everything being directed toward the Will, but Hawthorne has been underwhelming from what I’ve seen.
by Nate Dogg on Jan 3, 2012 1:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Apparently, he was playing with an MCL injury
It sure did seem like he was a lot slower than I recalled.
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I kind of hope Wright gets to stay on the outside.
Even though he looks like he’d do well again inside.
Head of catering.
Curious
Why do you want him on the outside? that is where he will cover more, and there hasnt been a TE yet he has contained. He doesnt get home on blitzes, and often missed his coverage all together. I give him credit that he is pretty good at setting a hard edge against the run game, but he blows containment often on passing downs when blitzing.
His height and weight havent helped in coverage at all.
Well I wouldn't subscribe to that analysis of his coverage performance thus far.
But maybe I need to go look again. But either way, it’s not really about making conclusions about his ability there off of a rookie season, so much as talent, skillset & capability.
I see the agility in space there to cover well. Leroy Hill became known for a short while as a great LB with awful cover skills, and then while no one noticed (because he wasn’t used to blitz at all, and his run defense had slipped) he was covering really well, up to the end of this year. I noticed he did a poor job against SF, but didn’t pay close attention last week.
But the TE has occasionally been covered by a DB, nickelback or safety, while the Sam is on the field (although I think Sam is the one substituted more than Wil, but I dunno if that’s due to veteran savvy in Hill driving that choice or what) so I don’t think that should be the deciding factor. He’s shown good recognition and anticipation of where routes cut in, as the tipped INT that didn’t count against Arizona demonstrated early on.
In his length, burst and pass rush acumen, he gives us a lot of options, and it’s quite disguisable. He’s got the smarts & anticipation, and run defense talent and willingness to make as good an MLB as Hawthorne — both of whom aren’t the best technicians in wrapping up but very solid tacklers — but that’s pretty much all you’d get out of him there.
Not getting home on at most a dozen blitzes =/= not having pass rush ability. I think he’s got some skill there. Now, that can be replaced, but it’s something everyone’s looking for. I think it’d be easier to get another MLB than transition Wright and bring in another SLB.
Head of catering.
He's got the wingspan and agility to cover the flats really well
He’s just playing like a rookie because he is a rookie.
And as Jacob indicates, if we’re talking about our OLB covering the opposing TE we’re looking at a losing matchup anyway. Most of the types of TEs we face are of the level that you need a specialized big nickel to cover them, not your LBs.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 3, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Just curious...who is the ideal person to put on a pass-catching TE like Vernon Davis?
Does it typically fall on the OLB to cover them? Or can one of the safeties slide up to cover them across the middle? Or is there some other option that a defensive coordinator will typically turn to when you’re facing a top-tier TE?
Just curious. Defensive alignments are pretty confusing to those of us who never played football…
well in Zone it wouldnt matter
But man to man, it depends on what “Shell” you use
Shell is a term for how many people you keep back incase there is adeep throw or a long run.
When playing man, there are 3 kinds of shell. There is cover 2, cover 1 and cover 0
Cover two has 2 men deep, cover 1 has 1 person deep, and cover 0 has no one deep.
Blitzing matters as well, as you can play Cover 0 and still not blitz, this is done by double teaming. (See how complicated it can get in a hurry?)
Generally speaking, in base packages, the TE is covered by a LB. Receiver sets, formations ect can play a major role though.
Lets speak in Cover 2, mana to man- press. this is something we do often with our big corners.
The Left corner will take the person farthest to the left, usually a WR , sometimes a RB and sometimes a TE, but a high percentage of the time its a WR. The Right corner has first receiver on the right, again mostly WR, but sometimes TE or RB.
The left LB takes the second receiver on the left, usually a RB, but often a TE, occasionally a WR(This is a bad match up, and sometimes coaches have the other DBs roll over, Twins left is this type of offensive front.) Right LB takes second receiver on the right. and the middle LB gets who ever is left.
In over or under fronts though, its usually a particular LB who picks up the receiver this is the Sam Backer. For us that is KJ Wright. and the weakside (no TE, or side with 2 eligable recievers) called a Will takes first back out of the backfield to his side if they are stacked. or the second back out of the back field on the other side. The middle linebacker, or Mike takes the third receiver on either side. This is coverage though, and usually a backer has run first responsabilities.
Also in a 3-4 front Sam and Mike are ILB, the OLBs are Will and “insert team specific jargon” like Tomahawk for the cheifs
He's a capable pass rusher.
It’s not his strength by any stretch, but I wouldn’t say he can’t get home. Also, I haven’t seen anything that makes me think that’s something Carroll is looking for in a linebacker.
by Nate Dogg on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Good point. And now that you mention it
it seems kind of odd. Early on, I think I expected he wanted that, but I might’ve been trying to find what I was hoping to find. I remember latching on to those first week’s comments about Aaron Curry & thinking we’d be using him to rush more.
Head of catering.
Last year's scheme lent itself to rushing LBs better than this year's
But we do have a lack of front four pressure that you have to try and work around somehow.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 4, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
front 6 pressure.
cause clemons hits QBs like scooby snacks. the rest of the front 7 sucks for pressure. Added in PD/INTs to show coverage stats.
Clemons 12 sacks and 24 QB hits 5 PD 0 INT
Hill 4 sacks 5 QB hits 0 PD 0 INT
Wright 2 sacks 4 QB hits 2 PD 0 INT
Bryant 2 sacks 6 QB hits 3 PD 2 INT
Brock 3 sacks 7 QB hits 0 PD 0 INT
Branch 3 sacks 3 QB hits 1 PD 0 INT
Mc Donald 0 sacks 4 QB hits 0 PD 0 INT
Mebane 0 sacks 4 QB hits 1 PD 0 INT
Hawthorne 2 sacks 2 QB hits 6 PD 3 INT
As for Roy Lewis
With Sherman, and Browner having very good years, and possibly having Thurmond and Trufaunt (probably have to restructure again) back, and hopefully a draft pick, Roy Lewis would be the #5 or #6 CB, so he will have to take league minimum for the FO to want to resign him.
In a FO that likes to churn, Depth at CB seems to be one of the places they would target. LB seems someplace they may churn too. Seeing this offense, TE is a big component as well, churn there. The Fo could easily churn QB too, though i think Tarvaris will stay another year, as he is clearly an Average starter and excellent back up. Failhurst should be gone. Portis is a wild card. Its often hard for a third string UDFA rookie to move up, but he has to move to second string next year to even consider him a candidate for QBOTF, otherwise he will get burried under new draft picks and UDFAs
Not seeing any other places where we are not getting better than league average in depth.
The problem I see
is that most of the important players here simply won’t really be wanted anywhere else. Like you pointed out. Sucks, because there’s like no trade bait whatsoever.
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM PST reply actions
Not sure if I see that as a problem.
When their contract is up, they’ll be easier to sign.
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more of a ‘no poker chips left on the table’ problem
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 3, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Markets are funny things
I have a suspicion that Seattle might be a roster other teams look to raid. Lots of young and cheap guys who could grow into starters.
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the good GMs will atleast try to get some of our talented players.
the clueless Gms will ignore most of them.
A team would have to "sweep RED BRYANT off his feet"?
Tall order. Looks like he’s staying.
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get him while he's running
gotta trip him
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
What sort of team would want him? I always thought that he was a bit "specialized" to fit into other team's defensive schemes.
Would someone else want him at a DT? Or maybe an DE in a 3-4 defense?
I thought Trufant was a free agent?
I guess I was wrong.
Sonicsgate: A movie about how the Sonics were stolen from Seattle.
He's still on contract
but he’s due a lot more than we’d pay him.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 9, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
Has Lofa retired?
He’s had an up and down life recently. His former college coach joined the team.
Lost his dad. Got his first baby. Got cut by Carroll.
I wish him best of luck for his future.
He didn't formally retire to my knowledge.
He was invited to a couple camps after he was let go by Seattle, but I guess he didn’t find the offers very appealing. I sorta hope he calls it a career but God love him if he’s working out with next August in mind.
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It is an interesting thought.
Perhaps a year off to fully heal and remold his body (quicker/faster) could get him athletically nfl capable once more, and we always knew his mind was never the problem.
Not likely, but a nice thought none the less.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2012 12:42 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Just because Leroy smoked a joint & yelled at his wife is no reason for his game to decline.
Not in the real world anyway. Maybe the media world.
It wasn't the yelling that stood out in that DV report.
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- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
- Alex Smith gets blown up by Jon Beason over Cam Newton comments
