Seattle Seahawks 2012 NFL Draft: Mocking Birds - An Examination of 53 Mock Drafts
As I said when I wrote about the 2005 NFL Alternate Universe, I have a love/hate relationships with mock drafts. I love that they give you a very rough idea about the draft, and turn you onto some players you would have not known about before. I hate that people take any of it as gospel and I hate it when one person (like Mel Kiper) says something and then 1,000 mock drafts mock the same player to a certain team.
Kiper knows more than me, but he knows as much about the future as Back to the Future Part II. Last time I checked, we only have four years left to make enough sequels to get to Jaws 19.
Do you have any idea how many mock drafts are out there? An obscene amount. Somehow, beyond all odds, Walter Football got to the top of Google's search for "NFL Mock Draft." According to statscrop.com, that makes the website worth about $630,000 and most of what they are known for is simply NFL Mock Drafts. Screw you, Walter.
On the other hand, without Walter this article would have taken a lot longer to write. Thanks to the NFL Mock Draft Database, I was able to quickly navigate through a bunch of mock drafts and see who was mocked to Seattle the most often. Why 53? Because I felt bad cutting out any of the sites (except for Bleacher Report, which I did cut out.) and I ended up at 53. It would have been nice to have a round number like 50, but why should I exclude one site from another? Honestly, some of these sites are really bad, others might be okay, but when you're getting this deep it's hard to know for sure. And 53-man roster is an NFL thing, so there.
For every pick that Kiper gets right, he's going to be wrong about another while Zack from Mississippi is going to get it right.
After the jump is a look at the full chart, plus what the numbers show us as the most popular picks, and a scenario in which Seattle gets Andrew Luck!
The scenario is ridiculous and makes no sense! But thanks for clicking "Continue..."!
Danny helped me load up a Google Doc with the full data on which website mocked who and it is here. Yeah, I needed help making a Google Doc. I'm an idiot, okay?!
What did we find out? The final results simply look like this:
Ryan Tannehill - 8
Devon Still - 7
Quinton Coples - 6
Melvin Ingram - 5
Trent Richardson - 4
Nick Perry -4
Whitney Mercilus - 3
Michael Brockers - 3
Luke Kuechly - 3
Alshon Jeffery - 2
Brock Osweiler - 2
Michael Floyd - 2
Nick Foles
Kendall Wright
Courtney Upshaw
Andrew Luck
The final tally (nfldraftsite.sportsblog.com had two guys, so that's the reason for the two picks.) shows that Ryan Tannehill, QB, is the most popular player mocked to Seattle, showing up on 15% of mocks. Devon Still, a defensive tackle from Penn State, is mocked on 13.2% of drafts. Finishing third, on 11.3% of mocks was North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples.
Coples is considered to be one of the top prospects in the Senior Bowl, if not the best.
The outliers are interesting only in that they are outliers. How did Seattle wind up with Luck? Well, I'm not sure of the exact trade, but the Hawks apparently traded up with Minnesota to #3 and took Luck while the Colts selected Robert Griffin III.
If this guy is right, I quit. I'm done. There's no way that I can ever be as smart as that guy. He wins seven internets. However, I'm not too worried about it.
The thing about Tannehill showing up on the most mock drafts, is that while I do feel it is a possibility, I think it has more to do with some schmo' on the other side of the country assuming that because Seattle needs a quarterback, they'll just take the best one available. I just don't see the Hawks as a team that drafts for need over what their Big Board tells them to do.
I am undecided on Tannehill, but if he has a good combine and his draft stock starts to rise then maybe I will come around to the positive side. Seeing your draft stock rise between January and April is not always a bad thing. Jay Cutler is a pretty good quarterback (he is!) and he was a quick riser. Though I still think that as of today, Seattle could trade back and get a guy like Tannehill.
Four drafts said that we would take Alabama running back Trent Richardson. I see this as almost zero possibility as of today. I would like Seattle to draft or sign a backup running back, but I don't see Pete Caroll and John Schneider using a first round pick on anything other than a dire need. Unless Marshawn Lynch walks, then it is not a dire need.
Same goes for the 9.4% of mocks that had Seattle taking a wide receiver. I think the Hawks should replace Mike Williams, or at least get some more depth, but a first round pick? No way.
As for positional percentages:
DE - 35.8%
QB - 22.6%
DT - 18.8%
These are the three main ones, with the rest being outliers like LB Luke Kuechly from Boston College. He mostly showed up on really sketchy mock drafts when I was scraping the bottom of the barrel. Devon Still is listed as a DT, and that's where he'd fit in a 3-4 defense, but I've heard he could be an end in a 4-3. I don't know enough about his versatility at this point though and I assume he'll stay at 3-tech.
So, what did we find out from these mocks?
- Most The most common pick for Seattle in mock drafts is a defensive end. This is a reasonable choice in my opinion, and it's probably where most of our heads are at. Unless...
- Those drafts that say Seattle will take a quarterback and that it will be Tannehill. I'm starting to fall more in favor of drafting a guy like Osweiler in the 2nd round but a lot will change between now and April.
- Mock drafts are silly. Almost every draft said that Seattle was picking 12th. I assume because Kansas City comes first in the alphabet. However, picking 11th instead of 12th will slightly change things. But they did bring my attention to some new players. So why do it?
- Because it's relevant
- By now you should know that I'm only tricking you into going to my website and twitter.
Mostly this was just a project that I decided to do and see what the results were. It was more interesting than useful, but I'll let you decide what to do with the data. I'm just here for show.
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Thank you for putting this together
I’ve been a mock draft crack addict since the season ended, and I needed this. I feel like I can stop looking for a few days.
A quibble with your English
“Most mock drafts assume Seattle will take a defensive end…” That’s not true. A plurality do, but not a majority. There’s a non-trivial difference between them.
Mostly, what that points out is how most mock drafts lose touch with the actual draft after around pick four or five. If not before. And how few of the opiners have a real feel for most teams needs/wants.
It was a valid quibble.
Not that I would have pointed it out.
That guy winning seven internets would make me re-evaluate everything I believe.
I’d start stocking up on dry goods, that’s for sure.
That was hilarious, mate.
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by jacobstevens on Jan 25, 2012 11:22 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I don't think WR is out of the running for the 1st round.
I do the RB is, but expect that we’ll draft one at least in the 2nd through middle rounds.
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I love "Zack in Mississippi"
And would live for it to become a meme… but it’s just too goddamn long.
by djafrot on Jan 25, 2012 11:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions
The reason we're mocked to Tannehill is because there's no trades.
This is the biggest joke about mock drafts… they never account for trades.
by djafrot on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
nflsfuture.com had us trading down for Osweiler.
I actually thought that one wasn’t bad. They accounted for a reasonable trade. Then you’ve got another that has us trade up for Luck, but assumes he’ll slip to three…. sigh.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I can definitely see that happening.
And I like it.
by djafrot on Jan 25, 2012 12:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Depends on what you expect mocks to do
I kind of consider them, especially now, not as predictions of any relevant sort, more as a general “this is a list of top players and an indication of team needs”, guesstimated by different people. That’s why I don’t really get comparing them to the real draft. Adding trades to mocks just makes it more complex with very little result.
Right now, we’re really just working in the dark. I mean, free agency has yet to start, a lot of important draft events are still to happen. Right now, mocks are just a way to kind of frame and settle the draft pick debate.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
It;'s partricularly difficult to predict trades anyway.
No Mock Draft thought the Falcons would be willing to move all the way up to #6 either.
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Home Team Focus
Most drafts are done by fans trying to float a player lower than the trending groupthink predicts. You can usually tell which team(s) the author likes by some dreamy yet unlikely scenarios, then they fill in all the picks to get to that point by trusting the needs lists that some analysts post.
If Seattle goes for Tannehill, it would only be after trading down. With his injury it is unlikely that he will be a late board climber.
I suspect they’ll probably go after a particular a positional group with the first two picks similar to last year, like several D-line prospects (Brockers-Branch) or LBs (Kuechly-Brown). They could also go local favorites while going offense (DeCastro-Polk).
If they sign a free agent like Mario Williams or Cliff Avril, it changes things and allows more flexibility. Even as a big guy Mario would do just fine at Leo, for example. Especially lined up next to Brockers, MeBane, and Big Red.
by Garon Galloway on Jan 25, 2012 11:48 AM PST reply actions
All good points. This is just an early look because it doesn't hurt to start to get an idea of some names that will be talked about with Seattle.
I do think that the names that will stand out today are Still and Coples. Beefing up that defensive line will feel really nice to all Seahawks fans.*
*besides the ones deadset on drafting a QB.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Quarterback is by far our greatest need.
But I’d love me some pass rush. The question is whether or not any of these guys in the mid first qualify.
by djafrot on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If the Hawks attempt to go "local" I will literally have a brain aneurysm.
We have far too many needs to fill (Pass rush, TE/RB coverage, QB) to waste draft picks on guys who grew up in the Puget Sound area of went to UW who don’t fill those most pressing needs.
I don't think you understood his comment
or yours just doesn’t really respond to his. He was talking about the mocker placing a player he wanted his home team to draft in a spot then working the draft around that.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Jan 25, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I understood that.
I was saying that if that actually happened I would freak out. He was correct in his point that there is a varying degree of homerism in mock drafts. I was basically saying that if we drafted like that it would be ridiculous and illogical. I thought I was pretty clearly speaking with in the same universe he was.
I still don't think you guys are speaking in the same universe.
It sounds like you are saying “Guys who make mock drafts like local guys”
and what he is saying is “Guys who make mock drafts place special emphasis on their local NFL team getting a better player.”
Or girls who make mock drafts.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 25, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Hahaha girls who make mock drafts? Now that's funny
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 25, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure girls in my high school used some kind of mock draft system in the months and weeks leading up to prom.
We all had dates before we even realized what was going on.
I went undrafted.
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by jacobstevens on Jan 26, 2012 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well a lot of times the human beings who make mocks DO like local products.
I understood he was saying that Mockers can fall in love with player X and make it so in their mock their team gets Player X. I was attempting to say that going local is more agonizing in mocks, particularly for the Seahawks, than getting infatuated with Player X. Also that the Seahawks have a fairly established set of needs to address and guys like Polk aren’t a solution. I think the Seahawks go for a pass rusher in round 1 and LB or QB in round 2.
On a side note, great read Kenneth. You always write great stuff, man.
Local yet worthy
I agree that local is not a criteria to use in drafts. Those two guys are worthy options, they just happen to also be local. If they get young D-Line/LB help through free agency or a trade, offense is an option. Polk might make a lot of sense if Lynch leaves. DeCastro is billed as a top-level technician in both run and pass who will lock down a starting spot for the next decade, he just needs to add some brute strength. It is unlikely he will be considered however because they seem happy with the O-line guys they already have.
The problem with drafting LB/RB/OG early in drafts is that you can get top level talent at the end of the first or even later rounds. There have been a lot of pro bowl LBs and OGs that were not 1st rounders. So you’re better off waiting to future years when hopefully the Hawks will be drafting towards the end of the 1st round every year.
Can Coples truly be worthy of a high pick? I’m not convinced they would go for his downside.
At this point, I can see them either trading down for Tannehill, or keeping the pick and going for Still or Brockers. Adding a guy like that will improve the pressure across the line. There should be some fantastic options for a high upside Leo in the 2nd.
by Garon Galloway on Jan 25, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Dontario Poe is a name ive heard
and like. I know nothing of him I just like his name.
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I believe he is more of a nose tackle.
We have Mebane for that, if I am not mistaken.
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Go Big Early Philosophy
There is a school of thought out there that you go big with high picks and I’m not sure how much J.Schneider/PC buy into it. If they do like that train of thought they might be more inclined to go Still, Brockers, J. Martin, or DeCastro. It would be interesting to see what Schneider/PC thinks of the ‘Go big early’ philosophy. Okung and Carpenter offer some evidence that they may lean that way.
by Garon Galloway on Jan 25, 2012 12:03 PM PST reply actions
Speaking of QB...
…and I think Tannehill will be a HUGE reach at their position in the 1st round…check this out…

Peyton seems to be holding quite…quite the interesting nerf ball.
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 25, 2012 12:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The Seattle Nerf have signed Cooper Manning to a 6-year deal?
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
How about bringing in Henry Hasselbeck for competition?
...and if a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped.
by Side Effects on Jan 25, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah well, your face is worse.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
Coples has me wondering.
This front office has not targeted players with “issues” in the past couple of drafts, citing that the locker room may not have been strong enough. If the Seahawks are not there now, how far are they away from having what would be deemed as strong enough of a locker room to bring in one of these type players? I would like to think Seattle’s staff, as well as (a resigned) Big Red and company could motivate Coples to reach his high potential. Then again, not everyone has enough Always Compete in them.
...and if a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped.
Apparently Coples has been working really hard in Senior Bowl practices.
So it may not even be an issue.
As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.
Not that you aren't right, but isn't that kind of when everybody shows up?
Dogging Senior Bowl workouts would be just stupid.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Picking 12th
The coin flip has already occurred and the Chiefs one. Seahawks will definitely be picking 12th regardless of the alphabet. This was reported a couple of days ago, I believe.
Reported by who?
“The Kansas City Chiefs will find out whether its pick is No. 11 or No. 12 at the NFL Combine when a coin flip settles the tiebreaker with the Seattle Seahawks.”
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 25, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Don't listen to him, he's mad.
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by jacobstevens on Jan 25, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Based on erroneous report
I thought I had read this on seahawkaddicts.com. In fact, I did.
http://www.seahawkaddicts.com/2012-articles/january/nfl-draft-1st-round-pick-update.html
It appears their reporting was faulty though. NFL.com is still showing it as to be determined.
Well, there's your problem.
That site is uh….yeah.
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by Wayward Llama on Jan 25, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
He also linked walterfootball from there
Who has this slight problem of hating the Seahawks unconditionally. I believe his latest mock has Seattle dying in a fire.
by MT Olson on Jan 26, 2012 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Walter doesn't hate the Seahawks.
What Walter hates is having to do original analysis. He just cannibalizes himself, that’s it.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
by shams on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Very nice
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by Wayward Llama on Jan 29, 2012 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
The flip is at the combine.
The flip reported was for a mock draft by draftek or somebody.
Mock flip for mock draft.
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YOU’RE NUTS MAN
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Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 25, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I joined BMG music club
under the name Maddog Peterson in 1993 and got 12 CDs for the price of one none.
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by hazbro24 on Jan 25, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Imma join Microsoft and get free games under the name Madman McGee
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 25, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd for first-rate use of strikethrough.
I can practically see that page-length advert in my mind.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
In all fairness, the Film industry is a fickle beast.
Who’d have thought that there’d be more Hannibal Lectre films than Jaws films?
italics make it special
Big mistake
assuming the Seahawks won’t take a RB or WR in round one. Carroll specifically said in his last press conference he was looking for “Touchdown makers” at RB and WR. The first round of the draft is one very likely place to get one.
The 2nd round pick would be a great place to get a TD maker
if Polk (or a similar talent) is still around, or the 3rd or 4th best receiver (whoever that is – I don’t watch enough college to have a clue). Alternatively, if the team can trade down into the mid 20s, you might be able to get the 2nd best receiver.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
It wouldn't surprise me if this was code for
touchdown makers at FCS schools.
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I'd be very pleased with Trent Richardson
And I could see him falling that far, with RB’s so undervalued. On the other hand, if he did fall to us, he’d be one of the guys another team would be willing to trade up in order to get.
by dingoeatbaby on Jan 25, 2012 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I think the NFL underrates RB in the draft
mainly because they are bad at figuring out if a RB is worthy of a 1st round pick and will be able to make the jump to the NFL. The argument is that RBs are fungible, but the reality is that teams would happily pick Forte, Murray, Foster, Bradshaw, Lynch, Gore etc in the top 15 if the scouts could more accurately identify elite NFL caliber talent.
It might also have to do something with the risk of your first rounder ending up mediocre. If it is an LT who ends up being mediocre, he can still start at RT or guard and maybe be very good. Likewise someone you project as a #1 WR might not be a franchise player, but could still be a very good starting #2 or slot receiver. But if your RB is just average, you don’t want to spend a first round pick on a 2nd string RB who is a third down or goal line back. Maybe so few RBs are picked in the first as a means of risk modulation.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
How would you guys feel about Morris Claiborne if he fell that far...
just to make our secondary incredible
If he did fell that far
There’s somebody whose bound to be interested in him, and hence, we trade down for more value.
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Worth More
When you look at how Kam, KJ, and Sherman have emerged and the possibility that Tate, Thurmond, and Durham still could emerge at some point, it is clearly a great idea to get Schneider some additional picks. The quality that this staff has found has been truly outstanding. More picks equals more of these types so a trade down for more quantity would be as exciting as picking up a high end talent that has slid down to their spot.
by Garon Galloway on Jan 25, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love it.
But it’s pretty doubtful he’d fall that far and I don’t think Carroll likes to go corner that high.
Apropos, does anyone have a link to anything where Carroll, or a source like Scott, says something to that effect? It’s always made sense to me, and it fits with the two offseasons we’ve seen, but I’m curious if it’s been corroborated by anyone in the know.
Scott has definitely mentioned it a few times on twitter
I remember it clearly because I was arguing for Johnathan Joseph, not realizing this simply does not fit Pete’s MO. I’d be damned if I could find a link though.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 25, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
I remember Scott mentioning it on Twitter, too.
I think in a different context than that one. I suppose I can’t yet find fault in the results, but I wouldn’t be able to name a valid reason why that would be or should be a coach or FO’s MO, that’s for sure. I’d love to know more why.
I happen to think the league in general doesn’t value corners as highly as they should, just yet, partly on account of the ol’ Parcells Planet Theory and the “from the lines out” rhetoric to team building that of course is very appealing.
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by jacobstevens on Jan 26, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure there is urgent need at CB
I think the staff still has faith in Thurmond, and with Sherman and Browner performing at the level they have, I see Carroll using 5th and 6th round picks to find more guys like Sherman who have all the tools but haven’t put it together yet.
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This has been something I have thought about.
I am inclined to agree with EequalsMC2 in that we could get more value from trading down with someone who really wanted him. Getting more picks from someone in need of CB help, such as the Lions at 23 would be absolutely huge. That trade specifically is something I could see happening. Possibly the Bengals trading up from 17 or 21 to fill the void that J. Joseph made when he left for Houston.
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The last time the Chiefs picked before the Seahawks
was the 2005 nfl draft. 2008/2009 they picked one spot directly ahead of us as well. Unless I missed something, which is possible.
Oh, and another quick note, apparently before Bill Polian was fired, Tony Dungy said on NBC that Polian was looking heavily at RG3, and that he also picked Edgerrin James before Ricky Williams, and another guy, so it could’ve been possible. Unlikely, but possible.
You missed something.
Uhhh…..the Chiefs picked right before us less than 2 years ago. They got Eric Berry at #5, we got Russell Okung at #6.
Screw Walter!
That dude has a major case of hate-for-the-Seahawks. Luckily, it isn’t catching.
Also, he’s a jerk, and his mamma dressing him funny.
Thanks for the write-up, I enjoy framing the draft this early, and then seeing the boards start spinning as free agency and the combine occur.
Bite the wax tadpole.
the combine and games will dramtically change the mock draft landscape for most
i really like rob’s choices. thanks rob its great to have someone like you for the seahawks. go hawks
I'm unconvinced there is top-15 value at several positions, such as DT or DE.
Certainly, there is great value at the first RB spot, WR, and perhaps CB. Safeties are rarely 1st-round players and last year’s Safety class showed that teams typically don’t like drafting Safeties, let alone early in the draft. Fortunately, we’re set at both S spots. What does that leave? Do we reach on a 2nd or 3rd-tier QB? Are Sherman/Thurmond/Browner/(Tru) in desperate need of upgrade? Is the O-line really set after so many injuries and an aging Gallery at LG? Is Carpenter the long-term answer at RT? Heater is a UFA – does Wright just step into his spot? What happens with Leroy Hill?
Unless we are in love with a draft-prospect QB (and not Flynn through FA), I think we can take the BPA. That might mean Richardson, Blackmon, or a WR. That might mean another Offensive Lineman or a guy like Couples or other DT/DE type. Maybe – MAYBE – there is a pass-rusher that suits what we do. A guy like Upshaw comes to mind but I think he might be better served playing in a 3-4.
Lots of questions, few answers for me.
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