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Improving the Pass Rush

It's okay. I thought you had one more good year too.

Pass rush was a hot topic as the Seahawk's 2011 season came to a close. Then Pete Carroll lit the whole subject on fire in his off-season presser, saying that increasing our pass rush ability this off-season is "a big deal." The question was barely out of the reporters when Pete burst into his response. You could almost hear yet another ADD tangent break off in his mind saying something like, FINALLY! how the heck did it take these reporters 28 minutes to ask me about pass rush? I've already gone over our pass rush situation in my mind a couple dozen hundred times since this press conference began!

In Pete's first two seasons, the pass rush has been frustratingly bad. By the traditional sack total standard we were mediocre at best and we were downright terrible by Football Outsiders' Adjusted Sack Rate standard. However, despite keeping the same defensive scheme, our pass rush short-comings in each season told a very different story.

In 2010 Chris Clemons was literally the only pass rush threat in our front seven on first and second down. That changed on third down and passing downs when Raheem Brock and Dexter Davis rotated in. Brock especially was exceptional. While Clemons was explosive, Brock was steady. They complimented each other perfectly. The QB would avoid the pressure from Clemons straight into the pressure from Brock. Those two made me believe in a three man rush with two LEOs.

In 2011 we improved our pass rush on first and second down through new starters at several key positions; Leroy Hill replaced David Hawthorne at WILL and Alan Branch replaced Brandon Mebane at 3-tech, together accounting for six more sacks from those positions. We also saw KJ Wright replace Aaron Curry at SAM. It didn't show up in the sack totals but Wright displayed a lot of promise as a pass rusher. His length, instincts, and short-area burst could help him develop into a dangerous player off the edge.

Unfortunately, our third down pass rush took a hit. Raheem Brock couldn't recapture the magic of last year and Dexter Davis was lost to IR before the season started with a hip injury. Anthony Hargrove and Clinton McDonald picked up some slack with a better interior rush in these situations but we all know that the edges are where most of the production will come from.

So where does this leave us?

Star-divide

It won't be very difficult to improve our pass rush this off-season. There should be improvement even without any new additions. It will be interesting to see what Dexter Davis can do in his third season and I think everyone is excited about KJ Wright. Jimmy Wilkerson is somewhat long of tooth but he looked good playing the role Hargrove filled so well before he got hurt. Malcolm Smith flashed as a blitzer in his one sack this season and we should see more of him next season.

It doesn't seem like much but it's maybe a bit of forward momentum.

Most fans (including myself) yearn for a linear improvement in pass rush. They want a dynamic 3-tech or a rush LB who makes plays in the backfield. Many even support switching to a 3-4 to get a rush LB on the field more, as Rob Staton suggested here in his article from Monday. Personally, I don't see Pete changing his base formation after decades of success with the 4-3. But I digress. My point is that Pete does not always think in such a linear fashion.

While our front office is absolutely capable of taking action necessary for such linear improvement, like drafting James Carpenter and John Moffitt with our first two picks to improve our OL, they are also capable of making mystifying moves with dramatic effects. For example, in his first off-season, Pete traded and cut two well established starters from an already very thin defense in Darryl Tapp and Deon Grant respectively. Chris Clemons and Earl Thomas are who ended up replacing them, arguably the two best players on our team.

Hawk fans forget that at this time last year there was a common sentiment that the LEO position was niche-enough where obscure pass rushers could easily be plugged in and have success. This opinion is obviously somewhat naive but what's interesting is that nothing happened this season to really disprove it. Brock got old and Davis never got a chance. There isn't anyone else to judge from.

I rambled a bit but the purpose of this post is to temper people's fervor for more pass rush. The situation needs to be addressed but not at all costs. It's similar to the QB position in that respect. Pete sees that it's an issue and recognizes it as an issue needing to be fixed. But we've come to know our front office as being very savvy drafters, so I wouldn't go expecting a ton of draft capital thrown on it. There are always other needs and who knows where "value" might take us... The off-season is so much fun.

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Had a good laugh at Pete Carroll's ADD introspections.
FINALLY! how the heck did it take these reporters 28 minutes to ask me about pass rush? I’ve already gone over our pass rush situation in my mind a couple dozen hundred times since this press conference began!

So accurate.

by jhmg16 on Jan 26, 2012 8:16 AM PST reply actions  

Nice - thanks Ben

I’m still interested to see how players like Malcolm Smith, Dexter Davis, and hell, even Jameson Konz figure into the plan as S/OLB/DE tweener/hybrids. None seem to be every down players but all have a little bit of intriguing talent (Smith and Davis more).

Considering the extent in which the defense changed from ’10 to ’11, one of the most interesting parts of this offseason will be the anticipation and guesswork of what kind of changes they make in ’12.

by Danny Kelly on Jan 26, 2012 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

Seems like they're making every effort to find another LEO type

They’ve changed a WR to LB, and now a RB to LB

Put everybody at pass rush LB and see who comes out on top. (Whitehurst, I’m looking at you.)

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 26, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

CHange

They also changed a former QB to a FB from a RB, and changed a DT to a DE, both with Pro Bowl type success.

I am puzzled though, I assume you are talking about Konz as the WR turned LB (i thought he was a TE when he was drafted), and I can’t for the life of me think of what RB we switched to LB. (oh I found it, we switched practice squader Allen Bradford to LB.)

by shawnhuskyfan81 on Jan 26, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I would have said Kam Chancellor was an intriguing talent that didn't seem to be an every down player last off-season.

That clearly turned out wrong. I might be mistaken but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Malcolm Smith is our starting WILL entering training camp. There have been plenty of successful pro LBs who started their careers sub 230 and we all know Smith has droves of athleticism.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 26, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

It really depends on the evolution of our defense.

Smith is an intriguing player, and I think most of us would love for him to develop into something special. He flashed a pass rushing acumen, but it ultimately comes down to Carroll’s vision for our defense, which seems to be under development as he gets his guys.

by johnnieday on Jan 27, 2012 3:08 AM PST up reply actions  

My significant other and stepson both have pretty severe ADD

So let me say this about this notion of ADD tangents.

That could be an EHH-PICK meme. I mean like a weekly feature.

I wholeheartedly endorse the idea of italicized ADD tangents embedded in Pete Carroll quotes.

OMG

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I rather liked what Anthony Hargrove brought at the 3-tech

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 26, 2012 8:55 AM PST reply actions  

Me too (on obvious passing downs).

His size though is a major limitation. Alan Branch’s quickness is a major limitation. I think the 3-tech situation is our most glaring defensive stortcoming. Maybe Clinton McDonald can become the guy though. I mean he already helped rid the team of Kelly Jennings, so he is clearly awesome.

by HI Hawk 808 on Jan 26, 2012 9:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Even though he played all season,

I basically have no opinion on Alan Branch. He was…quiet? I guess? Not like he never made plays. I just don’t know what to think of our DT squad anymore.

As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.

by Cheddar28 on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Pro-football reference places Alan Branch at a 8 AV for the season.

That is 2 AV more than his first three years combined. he had 3 sacks tied for 3rd on the team, only 1 behind second place Leroy Hill.

He also had 34 tackles, that is average for the position, but realizing that he was a react and see DT instead of a pure 1 gap, he has pretty good numbers. if he was one gapping those numbers might have been 5 sacks and 55 tackles.

by Oliudyen on Jan 26, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno if McDonald can be a starter

but he’s a very solid back-up and rotational player.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 26, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

When it comes to pass rush, being a starter should not have that much emphasis.

So far our defensive staff seems to emphasize situations to maximize effectiveness. It should be considered a luxury to have three down pass rushers, but it is not a requirement. Davis Hsu suggested Clemons would be more effective with less snaps, and that theory can be applied across the board. Specialists in the proper situations have the potential to be much more successful. Down-transcendent talent is rare. Getting the most out of situational players maximizes value from the free agent pile and late round draft picks.

by johnnieday on Jan 27, 2012 3:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

I love the way Pete emphasizes rotation on the DL. Our rotation at DT was much stronger this year with McDonald and Hargrove subbing through. The weakness was at LEO. A mid-round LEO could really improve our pass rush even if he only saw the field on passing downs.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 27, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Red & Cliff Avril

Hope they sign Cliff Avril in free agency as this guy can really rush qb but suppose not very good at defense the runs. Avril won’t cost as much as Mario and he will be fine as long as he is protected by Red infront of him.

by Metashigen on Jan 26, 2012 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

You could also trust KJ Wright in coverage a lot more than Curry...

…allowing others to rush the passer with Wright man-to-man or zoning out.

Most of my cliches aren't original.

- Chuck Knox

by Azimeir on Jan 26, 2012 11:17 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

More than Curry, yes

But he was still barely adequate in coverage. In fact, on a lot of bigger TEs I think Curry looked better.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Wright flashed quite a bit though.

He wasn’t consistent but he showed the ability to drop into coverage and do a lot of stuff really well. He’s a work in progress, but if he puts it all together he could be a really complete linebacker.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 26, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

He has that lanky build and quick turning speed that makes me think he'll be excellent in the flats.

An exciting young player, for sure.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Fluid hips?

I'm kind of a big deal...

by Benny Boy on Jan 26, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Wright looks so awkward in his drops.

I was a bit disappointed how lost he seemed at times in zone. I like him at SAM where he’s closer to the LOS.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 26, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but that's just inexperience

No guarantee he’ll be improve, but one can hope he will.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He's too smart to not improve.

But he’s not a natural coverage LB. I just feel like the SAM plays better to his strengths and I want to see him given more opportunities to rush the passer.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 26, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but in our current 4-3 system dropping back will always be a bigger part of his job than pass-rushing

And we’re not changing the scheme for him, I wouldn’t think. Still, play him to his strengths, for sure.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Right.

I mean he’s not bad in his drops. It just seems like SAM makes better use of his versatility than MIKE would.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 26, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I like our options

This is a good off season to have this problem. We got some options:

Nick Perry: Has the speed to tear up defenses
Quintin Coples: Very strong and can play multiple positions
Devin Still: don’t really know much about him but he sounds pretty good
melvin ingram: Kiper said this, so he probably sucks (kidding)

Mario Williams: Big money but is a great player, especially in a 4-3
Cliff Avril: I see as a great replacement for Clemons, but hope Clemons plays for couple more years.

There are others I know!! This is a great year for pass rush talent being available.

by steverolley on Jan 26, 2012 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

I agree i love our options going into FA and Draft

all i read on quinton coples is “guy has issues with work ethic” dont know if he would fit in at seattle with our “Earn Everything” motto and discipline. I do see our D to be alot better upfront next year tho.

EXCITED go hawks

by Dominic Matlock on Jan 26, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I think most people will disagree with you. the draft is lacking top of the draft star power on denfense.

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 26, 2012 11:34 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I don't think he is saying "I think we can draft our holes this year booyah"

Just that the hawks are in a position to have options with FA and Draft. Unlike last year when we had to fill holes with the draft and hold our breathe until FA opened up. People may agree the draft class of defensive players aren’t the strongest, but I believe many WOULD agree we are in a good position for the options we have.

by Dominic Matlock on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Mmmm I disagree.

I think he is saying there are a lot of good ways to fill the pass rushing hole. He says “this is a good off-season to have this problem” and in no way alludes to the lockout offseason.

I like where we are in the draft because we’ll have a shot at a top 3 defensive player.

As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.

by Cheddar28 on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

it is a good year to address pass rush,

as it stands.
If those slated to become free agents do, then we will have a LOT of good DEs to choose from, and even some great ones. the draft also has opportunities if we fail to get a FA DE (im including Red in this)

by Oliudyen on Jan 26, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

If PC/JS don't like the draft

atleast there are some good options in FA.

I think Coples is the only potential superstar in players I listed, (other than Williams) but I think all those players can fill the role we need. I think there are players available in the late 1st/early second we could trade down to get. We aren’t looking for a savior.

thats what I’m saying

by steverolley on Jan 26, 2012 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

I agree about Coples.

Im not as worried about his work ethic problems as some, it doesnt seem like a trend and while a lot of of the UNC players shut it down for most of the second half of the season Coples turned the heat up and finished strong with 5 sacks in his last 6 games not including the bowl game, so 5 in the last 7 if you do.

by Max6500 on Jan 26, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Coples = DaQuan Bowers

No motor, no character guy just waiting to get paid and drop off the planet. Bowers dropped in the draft due to knee issues rather than his character, but the no motor comparison sticks. Bowers had 1.5 sacks this season and started all 16 games. Those 1.5 sacks also came in the same game against CAR. That means he beat ONE guy all year. If that isn’t a problem, then by all means we should take Coples.

by shawnhuskyfan81 on Jan 26, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He started 6 games

And his sacks came in this monster game, his second start. He also played on a defense that was an enormous mess.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a whole lot of assumptions in that statement.

I dont necessarily buy the comparison first of all, I think theres different reasons for their lack of motivation and i dont think theres anything to show that Coples would be inclined to take the money and then shut down.

I dont understand how you could possibly begin to predict how effective Coples could be in the NFL next year based solely on the the stats of Bowers.

Also, and I havent looked at Bowers very much at all but just because he only knotched 1.5 sacks probably doesnt mean he only beat one offensive linemen all year, and again i think this would be a wierd thing to hold Coples to.

by Max6500 on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Good god am I having a hard time with your last name, Ben.

I literally twitch every time I see it.

I promise I’ll take some therapy to get over it.

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Jan 26, 2012 1:01 PM PST reply actions  

We should shorten it to Har.

Ben-Har.

"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff

by EequalsMc2 on Jan 26, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Even if I knew them as family,

I would still despise “Uncle Jim.” Psycho.
John is awesome. I would want to talk with “Uncle John” every time “Uncle Jim” stormed out of the room in a fit when he noticed a wrinkle in his pants.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 26, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

My biggest fear last weekend was that the Ravens and 49ers would both win...

…and we would have to listen to two weeks of human interest stories about the Harbaugh brothers and their respective career. Blech.

by TMann_2 on Jan 26, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing is, at least from my perspective...

Will pass rush improve even without additions? Maybe, but we’re also facing much tougher passing teams, so I doubt you’d see much result from this natural growth.

Do we need elite front 7 talent? Yes. But as you mention, this necessitates shifts in the scheme. You can’t plug a pass rush LB into our current scheme and expect him to contribute much. And if you do change the balance to free him up to pass rush, you’re essentially playing something much closer to a 3-4. Which is fine, but you gotta keep these scheme shifts in mind when suggesting additions. 3-tech is the only spot that can be upgraded and expecting a huge improvement without changing the scheme. If we add Mario Williams, we should abandon the Leo scheme wholesale, but it would enable us to put in a great front seven, rather than the sub-mediocre one we have now.

That said, I don’t see any hope for this current scheme. One-gap-and-wait simply does not function with a press-man secondary, and it is pretty clear our personnel is oversized and slow. It does need to change. At all cost? Nah. But the need is there.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 1:10 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

I agree, only because

Chris Clemons has shown that he is a beast and doesnt hurt the run defense that much, and definately adds a toin to the pass rush. Williams would be the same, a small downgrade in the run but massive upside on the pass rushing.

by Oliudyen on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree about the need for an upgrade at 3-tech.

This doesn’t seem like a good draft class to accomplish that though unless we’re sold on Brockers or Still. The pass rush needs to be addressed and 3-tech is the ideal position to accomplish it, but there are other, admittedly less effective means to improve it if a 3-tech doesn’t materialize this year.

I hope we pursue Mario Williams but I worry that that might alienate Red Bryant. Nobody wants to be second fiddle, or whatever that saying is. You’re right though that we might as well drop the LEO scheme if we can land him. If that all comes together then Quinton Coples would shoot up our draft board. As our scheme stands now, I don’t think we’ll strongly consider him.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 26, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

but Coples could also be a 3 tech in pass rush situations and it seems like this front office likes to get the situational players.

by spokahawk on Jan 26, 2012 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Eventually the LEO scheme will have to be abandoned

unless we can get a dynamic 3-tech. With that 3-tech the LEO scheme has a future.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 26, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, Carroll's 4-3 under isolates the 3-tech with a single blocker.

If we can find that dynamic 3-tech, I foresee the LEO position becoming even more effective. However, I see that easily said than done, which is why I see it as reasonable that our 4-3 under progresses towards Wade Phillips one gap 3-4 (which I think was something Beekers suggested awhile back. Correct me if I am wrong.

by johnnieday on Jan 27, 2012 3:19 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right (from what I know)

Clemons was one hell of a find. However, he will be 31 next season and isn’t a player we can really build around. From my perspective, Clemons is currently what holds the LEO scheme together. Ideally, it would be that dynamic 3-tech who holds the scheme together.

Beekers and others seem to want to move away from this scheme sooner than later. I feel like as long as Clemons is playing at such a high level we can continue to hold out for a 3-tech. With that dynamic 3-tech, a lesser LEO could still be similarly effective because of the complimentary effect you suggested.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 27, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

"This scheme", yes. A leo scheme, not necessarily

But this reactive leo scheme we ran this year? Yes.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 27, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I see your meaning.

This leo scheme is held together by Clemons but a penetrating scheme that still incorporated the leo would not be so dependent on a talent of Clem’s caliber. Is that about right?

It’s frightening to think what our pass rush would have looked like last year if Clem had gotten hurt.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 27, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree that there aren't strong defensive players in this draft

There are a few names that jump out as first round choices, and there will be a lot of midround players that will make a name for themselves.

Sure there aren’t many superstars that we know about now. But look at what’s happened to Detroit Lion’s superstar DTs. They have been equaled by other teams with lesser names. A solid college player can grow into the superstar you want. And it all comes down to who can stay healthy and play hard.

Looking at some ot the other draft boards, there is talk about stealing defensive players in the third round. That’s a good sign.

by AlaskaHawk on Jan 26, 2012 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

I'd be a bit surprised if they re-signed him.

He’s been perennially IR’d, and Wade Phillips put together a stellar offense that still performed mighty well after he went down.

I’d be OK with Williams, as long as we didn’t to pay him gobs of money (which is probably what he’ll want and what he can command).

Always up for some Twitter action @nandron. I only talk NW sports, though.

by Nick Andron on Jan 26, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I think if we were to abandon the LEO and go traditional 4-3 or 3-4

Clemons would be fine either way. He could stand up as an outside linebacker or just be a defensive end. I agree that if we do get a blitz linebacker, we could go 3-4 and utilize it that way.

Exciting times, I am really most interested into seeing what kind of churn PC/JS do and their decisions in the draft.

SEA!

by Neonjerseysplease on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM PST reply actions  

Doh. Realize my last sentence is a tad redundant.

EVERYBODY is excited to see what they do…that’s the off season.

by Neonjerseysplease on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

HaHaHa

That is why we are here.

by spokahawk on Jan 26, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Clemons would be fine either way, but you're really stretching the linebackers and the defensive line depth if you switch to a 34.

Wright could be an ILB in a 34, but you’d need to find that other rush linebacker and you’d need to find another ILB. Hawthorne and Hill are likely out, Smith is out, I don’t know that McCoy would have a role. So that’s two starters and pretty much all of the backups that’d need to be replaced. The starting defensive linemen I think could transition to a 34 really easily, but there is no depth behind them. McDonald and Hargrove were the rotational guys last year and they’d have no role, and there’s not really anyone other than them.

And that’s just the personnel. I don’t think any of our coaches have a background in the 34. I like the idea of going to a 34 as much as anyone, especially if they insist on Red Bryant at defensive end, but it’s not very realistic.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with you on those accounts.

Could Curry possibly have been a fit in a 34? I am relatively ignorant when it comes to scheme and what it takes, but even I could realize that Clemons played well enough against the run and rushing the passer to make that connection.

Any ideas? And what if we just stayed in a 43 but lost the Leo and went more traditional. What would we do with Red Bryant?

No one has to answer these. This is also me just making sense in my head about the lack of probability they will switch schemes.

by Neonjerseysplease on Jan 26, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Curry would have fit fairly well as a 3-4 ILB I'd think

So could Wright, as mentioned.

Branch and Bryant fit 3-4 DEs like a glove. Mebane, our best front 7 player, does not.

Compare it to when the Lions switched. They added Raji (admittedly more as a one-gap player) and Matthews. That was such a key draft, because those two players present the entire foundation of their 3-4. If we switch to 3-4 now, we basically lack everything we need for, as Nate indicates.

It makes some sense because our front 7 needs foundation talent whether you go 3-4 or 4-3, but it’s not a particularly likely switch.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He has the height, but is about 40 pounds lighter than your typical 3-4 NT

Mebane can generally handle a double team and not lose his anchor point. I’m lacking information and knowledge, but I don’t think he is a prototypical 3-4 NT.

by johnnieday on Jan 27, 2012 3:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Mebane is a better fit for Phillips 3-4 than Branch or Bryant.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 27, 2012 4:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 27, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I would definitely take a 3rd round flyer on Jared Crick

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by EequalsMc2 on Jan 26, 2012 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

Coples is a physical specimen.

But have you watched his film? He routinely gives less than 100% and at least in his senior year, he showed a penchant for not finishing plays. He showed domination early in Senior Bowl practices, but that waned as the week progressed. He has huge character concerns, which seem like they would be exacerbated once he gets paid.

by johnnieday on Jan 27, 2012 3:26 AM PST up reply actions  

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