Fins, Seahawks top two for Flynn
Based on conversations with Matt Flynn "in the last few days," Aaron Rodgers believes the Dolphins and Seahawks are the "two top dogs" in the race for the free agent QB.
"I think it's a strong possibility that [the Dolphins] would make a run at him," Rodgers said. "Joe [Philbin] in that system, which I’m sure is going to be very similar to this system, and Matt having a great grasp of that and playing well in his recent opportunities." Seahawks GM John Schneider, formerly with the Packers, is "pulling some strings" to bring Flynn to Seattle, according to Rodgers.
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I call bullshit.
Nothing John Schnieder has done leads me to believe that Seattle wants Matt Flynn.
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In the 7th round
That doesn’t really indicate a high level of interest.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
No, but it does show he values him.
Especially the way he likes draft picks. It’s at least something that could lead you to think he’d like Flynn.
Nope, he didn't
There’s different levels of interest in a player. 7th round and especially UDFA indicates more of a passing interest than a passionate “I must have this guy!” devotion.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes it is a calculated risk though
If he had an inkling that he would be undrafted this year and was willing to risk that then there definitely could have been more than just a passing interest.
Different sport but in Fantasy Baseball I wanted Paul Konerko on my team because I know he produces at a high level and you can get him later in the draft. The fact that I waited until the 10th round doesn’t mean I had a passing interest in him, it just meant that I was taking a calculated risk that I could wait and get him later in the draft. He produced like a 3rd rounder most of the year but he could be had cheaper than that pricetag.
Maybe that applies to Doug Baldwin as well. He knew he was under the radar so he took a calculated risk that he could sign him as a FA.
I think there is going to be a far narrower band of evaluation with a Paul Konerko in fantasy, don't you?
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Sure, and I don't think Schneider feels like that.
But “Nothing John Schnieder has done leads me to believe that Seattle wants Matt Flynn.” is ignoring some facts.
True nuff
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
But has he made any
attempt to trade for him? If he was going to be "our guy " knowing full well we need a QB you’d think he’d at least make some sort of trade offer to get him but from my knowledge he hasn’t.
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True.
Flynn could’ve easily taken Charlie’s place as Matt’s competitor back two years ago.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I don't know if that's really relevent.
There are lots of players Seattle would sign as free agents that they wouldn’t necessarily trade for. Schneider probably doesn’t see Flynn as the answer at QB, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any interest in bringing him here to Seattle.
by Nate Dogg on Jan 26, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Schnieder hasn't done anything to tip his hand on any trade or FA
or draft pick to date. We didn’t hear a word about Zach Miller signing until BAM he’s a Seahawk.
Some people made some guesses on TJ based on Bevell but everything else has been outta left field.
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Yeah, but Miller wasn't really in their plans, according to their own accounts.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sure,
but last year I correctly picked ZERO of our draft picks. Schneider doesn’t exactly tweet what he’s got going on.
It’s interesting last season somebody with the Hawks was feeding Stanton bits on Palmer and it was smoke. And Enyeart comes out and said Hawks aren’t interested based on what someone with the Hawks told him and then…
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
I don't really work that much on rumors
But analysis of the type of QB and FA we like compared to Flynn makes him a bad fit. Not impossible, but not an obvious pick-up.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
clearly this -->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo_jqs3T_6M
robin thicke, she’s gansta (from the hood) —> robin hood —> Errol Flynn —> Matt Flynn
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
He wasn't the guy making the decisions for the Packers.
But he was there when he was drafted, and likely for at least some of the discussions that led them to not keeping Brohm. They “how is this player developing” conversation is still a part of the front office war-plans.
So he could have a higher or lower interest in Flynn than “he’s a 7th round target” and we wouldn’t know the difference at this point.
I don't like QBs 6'2 or less, but I can get over it...maybe.
I though Flynn was taller. Regardless, if our FO goes after him I’m cool with it. He can’t be worse than a guy like Kolb and won’t cost the draft-capital he did, either. That said, I’m not sold on Flynn’s mobility meshing with what we do – is he mobile enough for what we want to do? Is he just another over-priced system QB? I really don’t know.
...
This is going to be an ongoing thing all offseason..
until Flynn goes somewhere. I would be fine with him coming here.
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Wouldn't John Schnieder
" pulling some strings " Be tampering?
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Possibly, but there's kind of an understanding that that stuff happens.
This early in the process it might be a problem, but every year there are free agents that sign big multi year deals right as the free agency period starts. Teams get a head start on this stuff.
This is also kind of a third hand account, so who knows what pulling some strings means.
Based on that out-of-context quote that I am able to view, he could be completely joking.
But I am only able to view that out-of-context quote from where I’m at right now.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Here's your in context link:
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=71&c=1191&f=372511
ESPN Milwaukee 24 minute interview.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Listening now,
Best tid bit so far: Mathews has gotten into it over waves with the locals out at north shore.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
8:50 mark, Rodgers hits on Flynn.
It sounds like informed speculation, but the Hawks are mentioned after a whole bunch of Philbin and Dolphins talk.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Yeah, no one cares about tampering unless you're caught with your hand in the cookie jar
Or push it so much that the other team complains.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
The alternative is the Seahawks could have asked the Green Bay
to speak to Flynn about a contract negotiation in a potential “sign and trade” deal.
and if you listen to the quote by Rodgers, when he speculates on Seattle, he says something like “Schneider is pulling some strings up there [in Seattle – basically acknowledging that JS is the GM], and John knows Matt.” Which is actually a less than nothing story, and a completely out of context quote that is quite misleading about the content of the interview.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Also, while I said "interesting"
I gotta say my first thought is “Rodgers is just being a bro and trying to create a better market for Flynn”
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That's exactly my thought.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Jan 26, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Mac offers a full quote
"I think it’s a strong possibility that they (Miami) would make a run at him," Rodgers told 540 ESPN Milwaukee via a transcript by the Green Bay Press-Gazette. "I think it makes sense, Joe and that system, which I’m sure is going to be very similar to this system, and Matt having a great grasp of that, and playing well in his recent opportunities. I think it would make sense to bring Matt our there.
“I think with a talent like Matt, he would have success in just about any offense you plug him into, but I think you could see a little bit more immediate success in an offense that he’s very familiar with. So, I think you have to look at Miami obviously, Seattle. John Schneider knows Matt and he’s pulling some strings up there with them. I think that would be an opportunity for him up there.”
Here.
Rotoworld pulled a little stunt there. He’s saying something completely different than their change-of-context indicates.
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That doesn't really read any differently to me.
It’s more pro-Miami, but the Seattle thing seems basically the same.
I don't read that as saying Schneider is pulling strings *for Matt Flynn*
— just that he is “pulling strings” in general (whatever Rodgers went by that).
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
by shams on Jan 26, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Shot callin, ballin, eating lunch with Henry Rollins.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Jan 26, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's exactly what it sounds like.
Nothing in Rodgers statement seems to imply that John Schneider is pulling strings in Seattle to acquire Matt Flynn.
He wants his buddy to get paid and a starting gig… and so he divulges a bunch of speculation.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 26, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
In the context of the conversation it seems pretty clear he's talking about Flynn.
That’s the only really interesting thing about the quote. It mostly sounds like Rodgers is just spit balling, talking about differenty places he thinks Matt could do well at. But the pulling strings part, that sounds like something specific. I don’t know that I trust Rodgers as any kind of source, but it’s interesting.
I would agree with you if it weren't for the last two words of that sentence. "With them"
To me, that sounds like he’s saying "He’s pulling some strings up there with "Seattle"’ as in “He’s doing work up there.” or whatever. But it’s irrelevant. Kind of interesting topic of discussion though when talking about the sub-text of a quote.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 26, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
I believe he just meant that John Schneider knew him well when he was with the Packers and he is now part of the decision making process with the Seahawks.
Regardless of how one reads it
And that’s worth discussing, I think Rotoworld was off in presenting the quote like they did, which does at least shit importance in the meaning of the words and makes it more clear-cut. Disadvantage of the way they present news, I suppose.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They definitely presented it in the way that would pique people's interests the most.
Which I guess is understandable in the way that it creates discussion and not surprising. However, I will say I am very disappointed with the quote. I was going to say “And they aren’t lying.” but that’s not entirely true. They are distorting it to the point of making it say what they want to say rather than what the quote actually says. That may have been Rodgers speculation or intent, but it’s not clear enough to say:
“Seahawks GM John Schneider, formerly with the Packers, is “pulling some strings” to bring Flynn to Seattle, according to Rodgers."
That seems like one giant leap from the quote. For shame, Rotoworld.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 26, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I think in this day and age of fast moving information people don’t take the time to re-read what they write to make sure it is accurate. To me it’s clear that Aaron Rodgers is speculating and they present it in a way in which it appears he has inside information. Whether he has inside information or not and I am sure he does, he was presenting it as speculation, not insider info.
And I would say that the possibility definitely exists.
Flynn’s agent tells Flynn that Schneider wants him or something, Flynn tells Rodgers, Rodgers let’s it slip.
It’s possible… but definitely a stretch to take that quote and turn it into “Schneider is pulling strings to bring Flynn to Seattle.”
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 26, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Hehe, "shit importance"
Oh typos, how you amuse me.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
rec'd for the best typo ever
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
I listened to the interview a couple times.
What I went away with was that he’s talked to Flynn, and they both see Miami or Seattle as the best spots for him to land. The questioning was about Philbin in Miami with shifted to Flynn, and then Rodgers brought up Seattle on his own.
So we know right away at the very least those are the two jobs that Flynn is eying. Nobody ever wants to go to Cleveland. It does reaffirm my opinion that the Seattle QB job is the #1 FA landing spot in the NFL. New line, top ten D, beast mode, receiving weapons, weaker division, instant contender and no state income tax.
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Random thought, but...
While technically true that Seattle is “up there” compared to Green Bay, it seems really weird to think of it that way.
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by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jan 26, 2012 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Don't we already know this crap?
Rodgers is basically saying “I believe Miami or Seattle should sign Flynn blah blah blah because there was a previous connection there.”
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Well we didn't know
That Rodgers felt that way but he basically shares the same ideas with a lot of people that are speculating.
More importantly, Rodgers BELIEVES he'd fit here
THE STARS HAVE ALIGNED.
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM PST reply actions
Rodgers' remark that Flynn could fit anywhere is beyond asinine
Flynn wouldn’t be able to run Martz or Turner offenses to save his life.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Rodgers's probably smart enough to understand those aren't exactly offensive schemes.
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by EequalsMc2 on Jan 26, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Zing!
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, talk about contracted suicide....
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 26, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
As far as Martz goes, I think Flynn would look great throwing to
Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, and Marshall Faulk. And that Az Hakim guy was Devin Hester before Devin was Hester, only Az could catch the ball some of the time.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
But a Darell Bevel offense? Assuming he stays, of course
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 26, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know how to define a Bevell offense
He’d certainly have to change from what he ran with T-Jax but I think Flynn can manage. Not ideal, but he can do it.
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 26, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Good point
um….run run bubble screen?
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 26, 2012 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
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