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Courtney Upshaw: Seattle's Ideal First Round Pick

AUBURN, AL - NOVEMBER 26:  Courtney Upshaw #41 of the Alabama Crimson Tide reacts after a defensive stop against the Auburn Tigers at Jordan-Hare Stadium on November 26, 2011 in Auburn, Alabama.  (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

Courtney Upshaw might be the best defensive prospect in the draft. It's not a great class by all means, especially considering the quality of defensive lineman available in recent years. Even so, when I sat down to consider the top prospects this year, I couldn't help but rank Upshaw among this year's elite.

#1 Andrew Luck (QB, Stanford)

#2 Trent Richardson (RB, Alabama)

#3 Matt Kalil (OT, USC)

#4 Courtney Upshaw (DE, Alabama)

#5 Robert Griffin III (QB, Baylor)

That's how I see the top five, with Upshaw the #1 defensive prospect available. A case can certainly be made for LSU's Morris Claiborne, who made enough plays this year to warrant a grade in the same range as former teammate Patrick Peterson. Janoris Jenkins (CB, North Alabama) gets downgraded due to his off-the-field issues, but it's easy to forget how just how talented he is. During his time at Florida in 2010, A.J. Green, Julio Jones and Alshon Jeffery all had their worst performances when covered by Jenkins.

Melvin Ingram (DE, South Carolina) is generating a lot of hype at the moment, but as I discussed recently on Seahawks Draft Blog, I'm not entirely convinced he'll be able to provide consistent pressure at the next level. Quinton Coples (DE, North Carolina) has the physical tools to be a top-five pick, but had such a disappointing senior campaign. Quite aside from his mediocre tape, we're talking about a guy who was spelled on around 30% of snaps including key first downs. If North Carolina's coaches weren't comfortable using Coples as an every down player, shouldn't that set off major alarms?

In many ways Coples' inconsistent effort is comparable to former Florida lineman Carlos Dunlap. Once considered a possible top-ten pick, Dunlap lasted until the 54th selection in 2010 before being drafted by Cincinnati. Dunlap achieved much more in college, winning the MVP award in Florida's 2009 BCS Championship victory and recording 19 sacks before declaring as a junior. Teams were put off by Dunlap's attitude and inconsistent performance, but the talent was unquestionable. If anything, you want Coples to have a little more attitude. He coasted through his senior season and the team that drafts him in round one will be taking a leap of faith that the light turns on when the cheques start being cashed. He's performed well at the Senior Bowl, but what did people expect? Flashing your potential in what amounts to a job interview is one thing, showing it on tape against real opponents is quite another.

Star-divide

There are several other prospects who warrant a mention. Michael Brockers (DT, LSU) is full of raw potential and his best play should come in the NFL working at either the three or five technique. Sean Spence (LB, Miami) is one of the great underrated prospects of this class with deceptive size but elite skills to play outside linebacker in the 4-3. Luke Kuelchy (LB, Boston College) is also undersized and offers very little in terms of a pass rush, but he's a tackling machine and could have a similar impact to James Laurinitis in St. Louis. Other people will mention the likes of Devon Still (DT, Penn State), Fletcher Cox (DT, Mississippi State) Whitney Mercilus (DE, Illinois) and Zach Brown (LB, North Carolina), but without doubt in my eyes the best defensive prospect in this class is Courtney Upshaw.

He's only 6-1 and around 270lbs, so he doesn't have ideal length for an edge rusher. However, he's mastered leverage and will consistently attack a lineman with great pad level and drive players into the backfield. He has a deceptive second effort when trying to beat blocks, dropping a shoulder and seemingly giving the impression he’s beaten before bursting by a tackle to make the play. He’ll disengage with violent hands and rarely gets absorbed by even the biggest lineman. Despite not having the longest arms, he does a fine job keeping blockers away from his body so that he’s able to dip inside or burst around the edge.

Upshaw’s thick set is comparable to a small three-technique and he has similar skills. He’s never likely to move inside at his size, but the hand use, the bubble and the strength are all comparable to an interior lineman and it goes some way to explaining how he generates so much power at the P.O.A. I'm not concerned by a lack of truly elite edge speed, because the rest of the package makes up for it. His bull rush is already elite, but he's also capable of showing double and counter moves. There's enough evidence on tape of a guy who can beat the edge and warrant double teams.

So what's his most natural position and how does he fit in Seattle?

For Alabama he played the vasy majority of his snaps at the LOS as an orthodox end, with minor responsibilities in underneath coverage. Ideally you want the guy playing in aggressive pass-rushing situations and helping to seal an edge against the run.

The Seahawks currently use a hybrid 4-3 with a lot of 3-4 tendencies. There's scope to introduce even more 3-4 sets to this scheme, using Upshaw to flank Chris Clemons while maintaining Red Bryant, Brandon Mebane and Alan Branch in the middle. He'll also be comfortable playing WLB in the 4-3 where coverage responsibilities are limited and his main duty will remain rushing the passer (blitz or not) or read and react. Although they are very different players, Von Miller was used in a similar way by Denver last year. Miller had the mobility and foot speed to work in coverage, even if this was a new skill he had to develop basically on the hoof. Upshaw may not be quite as effective here, but he'll provide greater support against the run and does at least have some experience working underneath routes. You could argue Seattle has enough range at the SAM and MIKE (if they keep Hawthorne) to accommodate a player who gives up some coverage ability, but adds to the team's pass rush.

Seattle wants to shut down an opponents' running game and Upshaw is going to make it really difficult to run on the left side when he’s placed next to Red Bryant. Perhaps even more of an advantage though is the ability to spell Bryant a little more and maybe even kick him inside, knowing you can use Upshaw as a pure power end on more orthodox four-man sets. As great as Bryant has been for this team the last two years, there’s going to be big advantages on first and second down when the defense is able to press from both sides.

In many ways Seattle's defense is being built similarly to Alabama's. Although Nick Saban uses a lot of base 3-4, it's very much a hybrid as with the Seahawks. There are a lot of four man fronts, a lot of 4-3 looks. Alabama have tall, physical cornerbacks who work well in run support, while there's a nice combination of size (Dont'a Hightower) and speed (CJ Mosley) at linebacker. They have three big bodies up front led by the underrated Josh Chapman and on a lot of looks you could even argue Upshaw is used as a LEO. I sense the Seahawks are building that same tough, run stopping defense that strangles you into turnovers. Upshaw would add to the brooding intensity that's growing among Seattle's defensive unit.

But above all else it's all about improving the pass rush. For two years, the Seahawks have relied exclusively on Chris Clemons for consistent pressure outside of obvious passing downs. They need to find someone who can be on the field every snap, provide some balance and take some of the attention away from Clemons. Greater balance on the edge may even create more opportunities inside for Brandon Mebane, who went sackless in 2011.

Upshaw is without doubt in my opinion the most logical player to fill that void.

A lot of people expect him to be drafted in the 11-18 range, but I think that's a modest assessment. You can make legitimate cases for Upshaw being drafted by Jacksonville, Miami, Buffalo and Kansas City - all potentially picking ahead of Seattle. Even so, you could just as easily make a case for the Jaguars targeting a receiver or cornerback, Miami a right tackle, Buffalo a receiver or blind side blocker - and the Chiefs need to improve several areas of their offensive line.

Seattle's greatest need remains at quarterback, but assuming the front office isn't planning a bold move up the board to target Robert Griffin III, it's hard to imagine this is a solution that will be solved in 2012 (at least not in round one). For those pinning their hopes on Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill, I would recommend these two write-ups (here and here) explaining why I don't believe he's worth a high pick. Of course, you don't have to take my word for it. Judge for yourself.

If Upshaw is available for the Seahawks at #11 or #12, at this stage I expect he will be Seattle's pick.

It would be a wise move.

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God this kid...

(drools)

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by EequalsMc2 on Jan 28, 2012 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

If he falls all the down to us,

it’d be a hell of a get. Kinda like when ET fell in our laps.

But with so few elite level prospects in this draft I won’t be surprised if he’s gone and we try to trade back.

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by hazbro24 on Jan 28, 2012 10:35 AM PST reply actions  

Seems similar to Lamar woodley

A bit undersized with ridiculous power and strength. I would be happy with upshaw, i think he would make a big impact very quickly.

I can’t help but think that they would rather get a big time offensive palymaker with that first round pick though

by Dialectic on Jan 28, 2012 10:43 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks Rob

While I don’t always get excited about the picks you choose for the Seahawks, I appreciate the way you use the mock drafts to work through new ideas and possibilities. You really do a great job of “showing your work”. I like the idea of Upshaw (or Brockers) at 11/12 a lot more than Spence or Brown.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 28, 2012 10:44 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

NFL Comparison

Who would you say is an accurate NFL comparison for Upshaw? As I was reading this, I couldn’t help but think of James Harrison. A guy that is perhaps a tad short, but still very deceptive and powerful on the pass rush. Any good NFL comparisons?

by Daniel Hill on Jan 28, 2012 11:08 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Honestly I think James Harrison is a pretty good comparison,

but I see him being used as more of a Clay Matthews-type player. Obviously Hes got some weight on Matthews, but using pure instincts and leverage to work the LOS and read/rush the passer type player seems to be his strengths. Though Matthews is good in coverage too ( I cant find much of Upshaw dropping into coverage)

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jan 28, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I love the optimism.

But, I don’t see any way he falls to 11. The top ten should almost certainly include 2 qbs, 2 lts, 1 rb, 1 wr, and 1 cb. That means (3 out of 4 of) the #3 lt, #2 cb, #2 wr, or #1 dt need to crack the top 10 picks. This assumes we win the coin toss with KC. I would love to see this happen, so hopefully the right players can impress the right teams.

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by Side Effects on Jan 28, 2012 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

I'm assuming this is your predicted listing:

QB – Luck, Griffin
RB – Richardson
LT – Kalil, Reiff
DB Claiborne
WR Blackmon

And I can give you the other three-four players that most likely would be in the mix:

Tannerhill, Jenkins, Martin, Brockers.

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by EequalsMc2 on Jan 28, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea pretty much like that,

but for some reason I’m kind of betting that Richardson and RB’s in general are going to drop in the draft.

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jan 28, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Before the season started

I read an article by Peter King about how diverse and adaptive defenses have become. The article was alright but the stats were really interesting. He showed how often teams lined up in their base formation. Seattle lined up in their base the most often in the league at about 60% of snaps if I remember correctly. I don’t know what the numbers are from this year but I suspect that we’d be again near the top.

Upshaw is attractive because he’s a player we could feature from a lot of different alignments, thus making us a bit less predictable. He could give us that X-factor which the offense would always have to account for. He could be our queen on the chess board. With Upshaw on the roster I suspect our base formation frequency might be closer to 50% with all the different ways we could use him.

Thanks a lot Rob. I read your blog everyday. Your work is top notch.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 28, 2012 11:45 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Great writeup, Rob

Though I would feel that if you want to use an LB with much better pass rush than coverage skills into this system, we would definitely need a general skill and speed upgrade on the other LB spot(s) as well. Von was playing opposite DJ Williams, after all. By comparison, our LBs already looked pretty bad in zone, underneath and man coverage on TEs, not to mention slow on outside runs.

That said, the idea of lining up another rusher outside Bryant on obvious passing downs is very attractive, as is adding high-level and flexible players, since we like our varying front looks.

This is my problem with the idea of switching to 3-4 in general: our DL looks a lot like a 3-4 DL, but our LBs do not. I know you’re fond of the 3-4 and we certainly like varying looks, but I have no real reason to believe PC will go away from 4-3 as a base D. If you’re lining up Upshaw on Bryant’s outside shoulder, whether you want to call that 4-3 or 3-4 (increasingly meaningless as defensive identifications), you are increasing the pressure on your other two LBs significantly. A definite factor to keep in mind when proposing this rush LB model.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 28, 2012 11:49 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

I'm wondering if we should look at him as a future replacement for Clemons

as well as an eventual transition from a 4-3 over to a more balanced mix of 3-4 defense?

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jan 28, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Do we have any reason to believe Pete would run a 3-4?

He doesn’t really look or play like a Clemons. Hell, on a base 4-3 I’d sooner see him replace Bryant than Clemons, though we would have to shift over/under and gaps again, but that’s not a big issue.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 28, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I'm more imagining that trying to make a guess at what they'll do

but it is certain that the hawks use 3-4 type lineups pretty often. I could see them doing it more and more as part of their defensive identity, with a player like Upshaw that could be very possible.

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jan 28, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, varying fronts are a big part of any defense, including ours

But you still have to figure out a place in your base D for a high first rounder, and I wouldn’t guess our D is moving away from base 4-3.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 28, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Upshaw could play a strong roll in both a 3-4 and the 4-3.

In contradiction to all the upsides of Upshaw’s strong LOS play, he isn’t much in coverage and I seem to remember that being the reason we got rid of Aaron Curry. Or am I missing something? (picturing Upshaw as being drafted with the intention of using him as a OLB)

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Jan 28, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

So by strong roll are we talking like an 18 or more on a d20 or what? Be more specific!

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by Cheddar28 on Jan 29, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

20 on a d20.

Like a saving throw on a mortal blow from a demigod.

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by shams on Jan 29, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I just got the biggest nerdy feeling from this.

It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.

by mister bunny on Jan 30, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the answer to that question is linked to the long term future of Red Bryant.

I don’t think Pete Carroll ever abandons the 4-3 under, but it can be schematically played as if it were a 3-4. With three big linemen, the rest of the front 7 has to start looking more like a 3-4.

In the end of the season press conference, PC was asked about the lack of pass rush, and seemed to agree that it was a problem that needed fixing. Red Bryant’s role, more importantly how he is used in combination with the best incoming speedy front 7 player (my expectation) will determine whether it is more of a 3-4 or a 4-3.

Maybe we’ll move more strongly towards a multi-front and Red will be inside and outside in a near-equal split as a rookie DE sometimes replaces him, and sometimes plays OLB in the role they tried to get Aaron Curry to play as Mr. Stanton mentioned. Or maybe Red stays at DE most of next season, and a lot more SLB on the line blitzing happens. Then it’s essentially more of a 3-4, even though it’ll be defined as a 4-3 with the linebacker walking up to the line. We’ll have to wait and see, but if Red stays outside, either the 3-tech needs a monstrous upgrade and linebackers will blitz, or a more 3-4 style usage of linebackers and Clemons will start to happen. Or we’ll fail, as you’ve mentioned, with no pass rush.

by cashless on Jan 28, 2012 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Great breakdown.

Thats kind of how I see it going, but more of a flexible mix of the two based on the opposing offensive looks our defense is getting.

by RawkEmHawkEmBirdbots on Feb 3, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

In todays game, the 4-3's without speed at linebackers are at a huge disadvantage.

Too many top TEs, backs, and slot receivers exploiting them. The old school 4-3 is dying as the game gets more and more pass oriented.

Also, Pete Carroll is a speed freak, especially on defense. The linebackers have been on his list for speed upgrades, especially if you notice the linebackers he keeps picking up.

by cashless on Jan 28, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Any defense can defend any offense.

Granted, that’s oversimplified, but it’s still true. It by and large comes down to having the players who play sound, fundamental football better than the offense (again, another oversimplification, but one that is also true).

Yes, a lack of top-end speed in the LB corps can put one at a disadvantage 4-3 defense, I don’t dispute that, but I was speaking of having that need for speed being more of a necessity in a 3-4 defense, because it’s a front where the linebackers are making more of the plays. You need them to be able to move around a lot more, hence the emphasis on speedier linebackers.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 29, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Superb.

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by shams on Jan 28, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I certainly would love for the Seahawks chose Upshaw.

I just don’t think he’ll be available at #11 or #12.

Still, I think Brockers will be available there and I’m pretty high on him.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 28, 2012 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

If he's better then Von Miller and gives us some pass rush

This would be a hell of a pick. We still wouldn’t have a QB, but we’d have a hell of a defense. Pass rush was the one big weakness last year, and with our secondary, our pass defense would become truly dominant.

That makes me scary excited.

And it’d also be great if Oz or maybe Cousins is there in the second, though Osweiler would probably be gone :/

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 28, 2012 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

Are we in the market for a slow LEO?

I don’t see what everyone is excited about with Upshaw. He is decent at overpowering TE’s and can set the edge in run support if he were to be a SLB. But, he dropped into coverage once in all these videos and SLB needs to cover some zones, TEs and RBs. I also watched every Alabama game this season, but don’t remember him impacting in pass coverage once on the season (unless you count the ball that stuck in his gut on the Florida tape). At LEO, he isn’t nearly athletic enough to make an impact the way Clemons does, no where near as active or instinctive. He’s too small to be a DT or 5-tech, so I don’t know what he brings to the team. I don’t see him as an upgrade over a similar player on the roster – Anthony Hargrove. I thought Josh Chapman (#99) looked pretty good on that Florida and Auburn tape though.

by HI Hawk 808 on Jan 28, 2012 1:30 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Rob's not proposing that Upshaw play LEO

rather that he be a hybrid DE/WILL basically.

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by dcrockett17 on Jan 28, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Will?

He’d play on Clemons side? I was expecting him to be opposite Clemons whether at strongside DE or strongside LB.

And I didn’t watch the tape yet, but like HI Hawk 808 I have a tough time thinking he could play OLB in this defense unless we make a really strong committment towards the 3-4. If he does have that ability to be an OLB and a strongside DE with good pass rush, that’s a special player. That sort of profile makes me think of Peppers, or James Harrison.

by cashless on Jan 28, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Our Will/Sam are rather ill-defined

Because our defense doesn’t really shift with the strongside of the offense, so “Sam” and “Will” really don’t define the position of either LB well.

Suggs would be the best current example of someone who can do both.

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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 29, 2012 1:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

The 4-3 under just means the strength of the defense (or the larger number – the 4) is over the weak side of the offense, or the opposite side of the QB’s throwing arm.

Incidental/tangential thought: as two-TE (and even 3!) sets become more and more common, referring to weak and strong as the sides with the TE is becoming/will become archaic, I think. I think it’s more dependent on the preference of the QB, as that’s going to be the focal point of the offense. And typically, a RH QB will throw to his right, or the defensive left, and the LH QB to his left, or the defensive right.

So in a typical 4-3 under, the “5-tech” will typically be the defensive leftmost down lineman, as he will be aligned over the “strong” side of the offense. The Sam, then, would be playing on that same side, usually up on the line. As Beekers pointed out, however, this brand of the 4-3 under doesn’t really shift as the offense does, so generally when they’re in their base formation, it’s just Bryant on the defensive left and Clemons on the defensive right.

They use so many variations and packages, though, that the distinction almost becomes irrelevant.

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by Matt Erickson on Feb 1, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

in fact i shudder to say this he even looks like aaron curry on some plays over running play nad having no idea whre ball is

by seehox on Feb 10, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He reminds me very much of Darryl Tapp in body type and play. I was higher on Tapp than most people. I don’t see the speed in Upshaw that would be needed to justify that high of a pick. That, ultimately was Tapp’s main trouble as well. Not enough burst off the snap.

by Kyzug on Jan 28, 2012 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

I know it is irrational...but after 2009, it scares me whenever I think that we may be drafting the best, most-likely-to-succeed defensive player in the draft.

Please don’t interpret the above as criticism of your analysis. It’s just that as a lifelong Seahawks fan, I am conditioned to always expect the worst…

by TMann_2 on Jan 28, 2012 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

Don't see it

Not what I expected when hyped as a top 5 pick…maybe I’m missing it but he seems really raw at best. Frequently knocked backwards, easily blocked, slow to react/make plays based on the video here. Not seeing how he benefits the Hawks.

by mwalter on Jan 28, 2012 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

The Tape Speaks On Upshaw

The one thing that notches him a bunch of sacks is his never quit style.

Very high motor, and surprising hands.

I wasn’t very impressed with Coples at all. The most impressive thing on him to me is the scary amount of raised flesh from his arm branding.

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by JRock419 on Jan 29, 2012 12:11 AM PST reply actions  

Great write up, Rob

You should come around more often. :)

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by Wayward Llama on Jan 29, 2012 7:57 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I like Upshaw

but what I really want for Christmas so to speak is a replacement for Brock so we can roll out the double LEO package when we’re aching for pass rush. Someone who can split time with Bryant on 2nd downs and be the sole 3rd down LDE (except for 3rd and short of course).

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by Cheddar28 on Jan 29, 2012 3:13 PM PST reply actions  

Great piece

I like Upshaw and he is a PC kind of 110% effort player, he’s going to improve and be an elite talent in this league… I think at times us as fans expect him to be all pro material right away… everyone is so high on Red Bryant and rightfully so, but it took him time to develop. Upshaw is ahead of the curve for sure… I agree with Rob’s assessment all the way… if he falls to us he’ll be the pick, but I also agree with Rob, a number of teams could likely be looking at him.

by tarryhawk on Jan 29, 2012 3:24 PM PST reply actions  

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