Marshawn Lynch & Shaun Alexander Share a Rare Rushing Skillset
I wanted to write this article shortly after the game against the Bears in which Marshawn Lynch had broken the record for most consecutive games with a touchdown, once held by Shaun Alexander. As luck would have it, I couldn't get around to it until after the Week 16 game against the Niners in which Lynch ended both their streak of zero rushing touchdowns allowed this season, and games without a 100-yard rusher dating back to 2009.
I say it was luck because I now have a specific play to reference when making my point about Lynch's value to this football team. We know Marshawn is a free agent after this season and we know he will be paid a good contract to be part of the foundation, hopefully of a championship run in Seattle.
Let's be honest though, if we were going off the first five weeks of the season, Marshawn hadn't done too much. It wasn't until the Dallas game in Week 9 that I saw marked improvement in his game. In my opinion, until that game he seemed slow and too indecisive to make plays at his position, particularly in the compressed space of the redzone.
However, in the Dallas game, outside of the good blocking and consistently starting plays properly for the o-line, Lynch looked more aggressive and asserted his will to push the pile when he had to. I don't have the exact number, but I bet after that performance he logged very few negative runs and at least 5 more runs of 3-4 yards per game when the blocking wasn't anything more than OK.
It's come out recently that Lynch and Cable sat down at about that time and decided to make a change, and Danny mentioned this yesterday as well.
Tom Cable said, "We made a deal - you have to do it the way I tell you to do it, I ask you to do it. And he's done it. So a lot of credit, to me, goes to him because he was willing to kind of maybe push his ego or push own beliefs, to some extent, aside and then embrace something new.
Because this is a system that asks backs to do things a certain way. Once you get in and through the line of scrimmage, then do your thing. You can do all the craziness you want then. But you've got to do it this way from A to B. And he bought in from A to B. And after that, what you do from C on is you."
This is the difference we're seeing. From that same article, his lead back Michael Robinson had this to say:
"Marshawn never misses a one-read, he's always right on the mark. He definitely makes you want to block for him. There are some guys you just don't know. But with Marshawn, he makes you want to block for him and you take pride in blocking for him."
Since midseason or so, after committing to the Seahawks' desired style of running, this is what Lynch has done:
DAL - 23 rushes for 135 yards and a TD
BAL - 32 rushes for 109 yards and a TD
STL - 27 rushes for 88 yards and a TD
WAS - 24 rushes for 111 yards. Reception TD.
PHI - 22 rushes for 148 yards and 2 TD.
STL - 23 rushes for 115 yards and a TD.
CHI - 20 rushes for 42 yards and 2 TD.
SF - 21 rushes for 107 yards and a TD.
ARI - 19 rushes for 86 yards.
This change in philosophy has allowed another skill we all knew existed to surface and become a big part of Lynch's rushing success. Tackle breaking isn't a skill to learn. It's an art, that's rare, whether it's with Lynch's raw power or LeSean McCoy's shiftiness, and only a few backs in any given decade have this skill. It's what makes Lynch so special once he gets to C, as Tom Cable puts it, above.
It made me think about all the best runners in the league - touchdowns also aren't easy, even in the redzone, but the ability to break tackles or win a one-on-one matchup is so important to the overall touchdowns stat. It's part of the reason Lynch scored a TD in 11 straight games this season.
This skill alone in my view, the ability to break tackles in one-on-one situations makes him a must have for any team looking for a franchise guy. If you want to score touchdowns and have consistently good runs of four to five yards, you need a tackle breaker to get that done week in and week out, not a speed back in Chris Johnson, or guy who needs a patch of space to get started like an Arian Foster. A true tackle breaker will cause defenses problems and cause good defenders to hesitate just enough to help their blocking as well.
All it takes is half a step of indecision versus a full step of commitment by the running back to turn a well defended play into a 20 yard gain.
The evidence? Check out Lynch's touchdown run against the 49ers. Lynch makes his move right away, running to the corner away from the Niners' strength. However, he has to break a tackle in order to score that TD; Leon Washington, despite all his shiftiness and speed, isn't making that play and neither is Justin Forsett, but then, neither are Julius Jones or Maurice Morris going to make that kind of play either. Shaun Alexander built a career on those one-on-one battles, haunting safeties, corners, and linebackers and I see Lynch winning those same types of matchups, -though with a truly more violent approach-, it's still giving similar results.
I'm sure a lot of people are of the view that re-signing Lynch is a must, but some are of the view that we've seen what happens with guys like Shaun, Chris Johnson, or Larry Johnson. Runners who get paid tend to falter. Well, in at least Shaun and Larry's cases, their o-lines were old and needed replacing; three of the five linemen that helped Shaun achieve his MVP season were retired or gone after his second season in the new contract. I know that KC lost it's coaching staff and two of it's Pro Bowl linemen moved on, from what I remember. I don't know much about Chris Johnson's situation, but I never really liked him as a running back. Speed is great, but it didn't seem like he had much agility or other things to make that speed even matter at times and though he had a 2000 yard season he was often making his yards on 3-4 runs a game. When I watched Chris Johnson, other than that time he ran over Brian Russell's "roll over and he won't kill you" attempt at a tackle, he didn't seem to break many tackles in space or around the line of scrimmage.
When you look at Lynch's case, he's young and his o-line is young, with loads of upside. It's the perfect combo to do a deal like this.
Some will also look at the contact and ask about durability. It's certainly a reasonable concern, but I think to equate him with a guy, for example, like Marion Barber, is a bit much. Marion wrestled the starting role away from Julius Jones in Dallas because he made aggressive decisions and played through contact. He faded with a bunch of lingering issues that started to take away his ability to last even more than about ten carries a game. Everything was a battle for Barber, he resists everything, including logic. Typically one of the common things you'd see Barber do is stand stiff, tall and exposed in a gang tackle and sometimes he'd knock himself free, but at a price apparently.
This is not how Lynch runs even though the styles seem similar.
If you watch Marshawn this year, he plays lower in a crowd. Often rolling his shoulders forward to make himself a bit smaller. In one-on-one cases, this is less necessary. This is probably a result of Pete's coaching after the Saints game last year where Marshawn had fumbled twice. Pete said this on Brock at Salk the day after the game. "That's one of those things where Marshawn has just gotta go with the contact instead of resisting or fighting it in that situation."
He's more careful about picking his fights and plays contact much better than he ever has before in college or in the pros, it's much more selective violence, but it's still violence and it has a very real chance to set records. So what kind of deal would I do? Five years at about 5.5 to 6 million per year. I think he provides that much value and the end of his contract could be structured in such a way that he would play for incentives.
I think we've seen that decisive strong running types like Willis McGahee and Ricky Williams are still effective enough to make some key plays for their teams despite not being the top guys, instead, playing specialty roles on 3rd downs and short yardages. I'd personally love to see Lynch finish his career here with some notches on his belt that say superbowl and just a few memorable plays bigger than Beast Quake.
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It kind of amazes me how good the run game became at the end of the year
With such a shoddy patchwork line. Now maybe the rookies really stunk it up their first year, but still.
Pass protection still mostly stunk though, and it sucks making Miller our 6th oline on about every play. it seemed like our pass game went down the tubes when the run game started going, would be nice having both at the same time. Although perhaps that’s mostly a product of the QB
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 4, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
True about the pass game,
but we also became a better team at that same point too. So it’s something to think about.
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by jubelthebear on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure he's all that comfortable
with the concept of the “forward pass”.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
He is also the assistant head coach
And he has been given authority to dictate the offensive gameplan to the OC, so I think he is just fine with his role.
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Right.
He has a pretty unique position for a positional coach, gives him the chance to work with the OL and work on the offense without having responsibility for every position on the offense.
Plus he’s from Snohomish HS (mine) so he’s home. I think he’s content right now.
And when the Bevelling happens
He doesn’t get the blame.
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by SGT Lenny on Jan 4, 2012 4:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
As a Monroe grad I have overlooked this issue
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Wow, really?
Same here! Last June, as a matter of fact.
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 4, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
As long as they all work well together, why shake it all up?
Cable will probably eventually leave, but I don’t think it’ll be for anything but a head coaching job.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Having a nice "baby stiff arm" doesn't hurt.
Things that amaze me about lynch:
All violence, no fumble.
Knows how to contort his body to get that extra yard and avoid the hit
Legs just don’t stop until he is flat.
A great fun attitude.
I don’t remember Shaun being that violent of a runner. Much stiffer but very slippery in one-on-one situations. I much more enjoy the “Hold my DIIIIIICK” attitude compared to Shaun’s “meh” attitude.
by goatweed on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Shaun was the opposite of violent
He would make subtle little moves to aviod the hit and break the tackle.
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Not really sure he would break the tackle that often
more than not he made those shifty moves and the defender ended up talking him by the knees or ankles, and shaun would fall forward for 4-5 yards. Shaun also had tremendous speed, acceleration. Many of his TDs were to the outside as well.
All of Beef Mo’s TDs are violent.
Yeah I wouldn't describe it as a broken tackle
More that he made a subtle move to make the sure tackle turn into a partial tackle, or a hand tackle into a miss. Not really a “broken tackle” though.
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When Shaun was on his game the cutbacks were beautiful.
There weren’t many players that had his vision. The line deserved a ton of credit, but #37 was more than adequate at finding room and eluding. Lynch is an all out back that isn’t nearly as elusive, but when the legs are in constant movement a leg tackle is funny to watch attempted. I would like to see him get some reps catching in the flat this next season to round out his game, but I have no complaints
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by SGT Lenny on Jan 4, 2012 4:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Shaun was a master at taking great angles that make it harder for defnders to tackle him
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 4, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Lynch has looked great, and there's no doubt about his current value to the team.
But this is the first time he’s looked great in his professional history. We’re basing what might be a substantial contract on a guy who’s basically based his reputation on one humongous play and two-thirds of a season of great football. That, plus he’s not much of a blocker or receiver (though he’s improved in the latter, it seems).
There’s no way you don’t make an attempt to re-sign him given what’s happened, but I am a little nervous.
What about his 2007 and 2008 seasons
They weren’t great, but they were good, which is impressive when you are the only offensive weapon on your team.
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They were OK at best.
and it sure didn’t stop Buffalo from trying to replace him. Fred Jackson did better with roughly the same offensive weapons around him (check the YPC), and then they got Spiller too.
I'm hoping it's a happy match between talent and scheme
And I really can’t emphasize enough how much I think the 20-30 lbs he dropped has led directly to what we saw out of him this year.
Why not
20-30 pounds will change your quickness, which is what matters when you make the one cut out of the hole.
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Unsprung weight is important when trying to get that 1/4 mile time, or 0-60. Every bit helps.
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by SGT Lenny on Jan 4, 2012 4:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know, those first six games looked like the same Marshawn from last year
I wasn’t until he started following Cable’s scheme that he took off.
Yeah but the offensive line hadn't gelled at that point yet so
jesus christ nevermind I’m even boring myself here
It looked exactly like last year.
4 guys hitting him 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage for no gain.
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Lynch has played his ass off
For the last two years in Seattle! Name one other player that was hit behind or at the line of scrimmage by more the one defender 86% of the time and still produces 3.5 yards per carry. He has gotten better but so has the rest of the team. This isn’t a guy playing hard in a contract year. He also ran hard in buffalo..Cal Bears etc. Pay the Man!
by Redzone59 on Jan 4, 2012 1:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No not random
That comes from a article… If I remember correctly i read that here on fieldgulls. It was a while back so go ahead and check it out…
by Redzone59 on Jan 4, 2012 2:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No way.
He was hit by more than one defender, either at or behind the LOS, in 86% of carries?
Yes it was something like that..
by Redzone59 on Jan 4, 2012 4:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
More specific
After his first year with the Hawks. I’m not sure about year two. I would think that it would b lower due to better play around him.
by Redzone59 on Jan 4, 2012 4:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Feel free to look it up
I’m sure it’s the archives some where..
by Redzone59 on Jan 4, 2012 4:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not trying to sound like a dick here.
But one of the things that makes this blog great is that we encourage people to provide the sources and stats themselves when making an argument. It is up to the person making the argument to provide a source, not the person attempting to counter it.
by Hopefulmsfan on Jan 4, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I guess I shouldn't say "we" since I'm not a writer/moderator.
When I say that I mean we as the blog community.
I already said
The article was on this site.. When I have time I might look it up and link it. If not you guys can beleave the post or not.. I don’t really care either way. If someone doesn’t think what I have said is accurate please feel free to research it and prove me wrong. Like I said the article was written after last year.
by Redzone59 on Jan 4, 2012 4:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think this what you were talking about:
To give you the numbers, Lynch gained 440 of his 573 yards after contact and forced 37 missed tackles on 186 touches (both running and receiving, with the Hawks only).
The Hawks were a pass-happy team in 2010, and inevitably ended up 31st in rushing. Let’s look a little deeper: 76.8% of Marshawn Lynch’s total yards gained in 2010 were after first contact. I repeat – over 3 out of every 4 yards Lynch ran were after he had already broken a tackle. This percentage was third in the league – which tells you a little bit about the Hawks’ run blocking. On 19.9% on Lynch’s touches, he forced a missed tackle, which was also third among all running backs in the NFL.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/4/1/2085007/marshawn-lynch-elusive-rating-nfl-seahawks
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
There's also this:
Two in particular — Arizona’s Beanie Wells and Seattle’s Marshawn Lynch — have racked up yardage after contact. Both rank among the NFL’s top four in total yards after contact. And among those players with at least 1,000 yards, Wells and Lynch rank high in percentage of yards gained after contact (see chart, courtesy of ESPN Stats & Information).
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/55913/passing-league-nfc-west-runs-strong
48% of Lynch’s total yardage came after contact on 4.2 YPC.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
94.7% of stats on the internet are made up
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just did
I think Redzone59 just mis-remembered a couple of the details. His point still stands (that Lynch worked his ass off for the last 2 years).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Hey thanks for finding that...
I tryed looking and it was a real pain trying to find anything using my phone. I was off on my numbers but not by much! As you said the point still stands.
by Redzone59 on Jan 4, 2012 5:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure what "working one's ass off" means
My point – that Lynch hasn’t really been more than serviceable until the last 2/3 of a season – stands as far as I’m concerned. He wasn’t good enough to not be replaced in Buffalo, and his first year here had a similarly low YPC.\
He’s been much better this year. It’s totally obvious.
Anyhow, my original comment was that the 86 percent number was bogus. And it still is.
"working one'ss ass off"
is getting 76.8% of your yards after contact and you’re really picking nits about the precise number.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Actually...
…it’s 76.8% of yards after contact, not after contact at or equal to the line of scrimmage, which is a big deal. Unless it IS at the LOS, in which case I’m very, very, very impressed.
I’m not surprised by that still impressive number, either. He’s always been a tackle-breaker, sometimes I think to his detriment, in that he seemed to look for contact rather than just run by it. But now it seems like he’s combined that tackle-breaking with a little more patience for his blocking, and it’s working pretty sweet.
76.8% can easily be misremembered for 86.7%,
94% of the time by slightly dyslexic people. Or by people with visual memories like myself.
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by hazbro24 on Jan 4, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Others have already responded about stats and such.
But to answer this, I’m pretty sure it’s never been posted here than on 86% of his carries he was hit at or behind the LOS. I’ve never even seen this stat kept for every player, so it’s not a fair question when you ask:
Name one other player that was hit behind or at the line of scrimmage by more the one defender 86% of the time and still produces 3.5 yards per carry.But I was eagerly awaiting something to support the random number you seemed to make up.
I'm always wary of investing too much in a RB
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
is this in general or since
2006?
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It's definitely post-2006
but it’s not just about Shaun. Looking around the NFL, there aren’t a ton of 1st-round RBs that make a difference for their teams. I don’t think all RBs are fungible, but I do think the run-blocking is more important than the RB and that the hard work of a feature back means a short career.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with your premise.
We could probably draft a Richardson or Polk and still produce well in the running game since it seems like a big portion of our rushing success this year stemmed from an increase in the run-blocking.
However, in this case I believe that Lynch is more valuable to Seattle because of the name. The Beast Mode moniker and the Skittles tie-ins have made Lynch a face of this franchise and a reason people want to watch the Seahawks. I would not pay him a ludicrous amount but I think paying him close to top RB money is worth it for the intangibles he brings.
It looks like Richardson is going to be a 1st-round pick
and I’d rather not spend that much draft capital on a RB. I’d rather pay Lynch, use the 1st on another position and develop a 2nd-4th round guy.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
My question is, not just for you of course... but what would we draft in the first?
It doesn’t look like a big pass rushing DE or any kind of QB will be there at 11.
Listening to Pete’s post-season presser, it sounded like he was up for drafting any position. I realize this is due to “always compete”, but he sure repeated it.
This draft really has me stumped
There may not be a QB or edge-rusher available at our pick. If we don’t trade up or trade down, the BPA may be an OG, a WR or a LB. I’d rather not take an LB with a 1st but a WR or OG would be adding strength to an area of strength. I really don’t know how things will shake out, but there’s a lot of time for draft boards to change and teams to address holes in free agency.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Pete's talked about trading up and FA on the radio.
QB is definitely on the shopping list. But yeah, that #11/12 pick is meh right now compared to our needs. Hopefully somebody else has a hard on for a guy sitting on the board then.
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I'd say that LB is a greater need than either WR or OG.
Though I don’t know enough about the position, or the potential picks, to tell if any of them would fit in this system.
I'd like to draft Polk in the second if possible.
And pay Lynch. I’d like to see a one two punch. One that pro-longs Lynch’s career as much as possible—protecting the investment. I’d like to see Polk and Lynch split carries for the first 3 quarters wearing down the D with power and speed. And then I’d like to see Lynch pound opponents into submission in the 4th quarter.
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What really makes/breaks RB
I dont put as much value into a RB. If Lynch is to expensive let him go, you can grab a decent back in round 2 or 3 that will have a low contract for at least 4 years. Instead ensure we have a topnotch O-line, even if we have to draft a guard/tackle with a top pick again. Pay for that, and pay Tom Cable to stick around, and any half decent back will look like a superstar. Lynch is good, but all RB’s are very replaceable. Tom Cables, and O-Line are not (see 2006/7 to 2010 seahawks)
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