Bring in Matt Flynn
by GfunkClassic on Jan 4, 2012 3:55 PM PST
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PrintI am a HUGE proponent of bringing in Matt Flynn for next year to compete for the QB position. Flynn got most of his recent attention due to his 6TD 480 yard performance against the Lions but he caught my attention last year playing the Patriots. He went 24 of 37 for 251 yards, 3TD's and 1 pick. I remember watching him at the time thinking "Wow this guy can play!". Now he is a Free Agent and the Hawks need to bring him in to compete for the starting spot.
Matt Flynn played at LSU and did not start until his Sr. year, playing behind 2007 #1 pick JaMarcus Russell most of his college career. When Flynn got his chance he played fairly well. He had 21 TD's and 11 picks, and 2407 yards starting and playing in 12 of 14 games for the Tigers. He led the Tigers to a BCS National Championship and was named Offensive MVP of the Game going 19 of 27 for 174 yards and 4TD's.
Heading into the 2008 draft Flynn wasn't highly regarded which brought on the 7th round selection by the Packers. The Packers also drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd round to compete for the backup role to Aaron Rodgers, and as insurance in case Rodgers didn't work out in his first year starting. Brohm was the 3rd QB selected in the 2008 draft (behind Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco). What's interesting is that Flynn beat out Brohm for the backup role despite the heavy investment in Brohm.
Flynn has been able to witness first hand how a QB can rise from a relative unknown to a Hall of Famer. He's seen first hand what it takes to win a Superbowl. I think that the Hawks should make a HUGE push to bring in this guy, and I'm hopeful that the Schneider connection only assures that it's going to happen. Let this guy compete with TJ for the position! Save those draft picks to improve our DLine, improve our RB depth, and maybe draft a QB in the Mid rounds to compete. If we're going to trade the house for a QB we might as well as wait until Pete can get his man Barkley in next years draft.
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"If we're going to trade...Might as well wait for Barkley next year"
You can’t have that thought process because you have no idea what the landscape of the draft will be like next year, and even more so, if you’re going to even be in a position to make a move next year. Barkley in particular will probably be a top 5, if not number 1, and that may or may not be within reach.
Not to mention the fact that Griffin or Luck (most likly Griffin in our case since Luck is probably going #1) are better than Barkley and Flynn and/or fit better with Pete. So maybe you need to pull the trigger now on your guy. Which I also think they should.
Personally I think both Luck and Griffin are better, can do more, and have higher upside. Like Brock was saying on air the other day “Can you take a look into the future and picture Matt Flynn beating Aaron Rodger or Tom Brady or another ace quarterback in the Superbowl? Can you picture Luck or Griffin?” No, and Yes. And I agree, no I can’t see Flynn. Not unless all the chips fall right and the rest of the team can carry the load. Flynn was capable of making some throws and doing a good job, but isn’t a franchise QB from what I’ve seen. You can point to someone like Dilfer, but he’s an exception, not the rule. We don’t need an exception, we need the rule. Luck and Griffin are.
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If that was true
Then why do so many teams scramble to grab their guy in the 1st? or 2nd?
Lets take a look at the league as we see it now:
Aaron Rodgers – Round One
Drew Brees – Round Two
Philip Rivers – Round One
Manning 1 – Round One
Manning 2 – Round One
Matt Stafford – Round One
Matt Ryan – Round One
Ben Rapelisburger – Round One
Cam Newton – Round One (seems to be legit)
Andy Dalton – Round Two (seems to be a good choice)
Jake Locker – Round One (looked promising)
Sure some later pick QB’s pan out ala Brady or Romo, or possibly even Flynn, but they are absolutely exceptions. Further down the draft, the bigger hit & miss they are. There’s a reason QB’s get picked first and are fought over, and thats because the real good ones, usually are deserving of it, and even if they are/aren’t, the talent and your chances are much higher.
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Obviously some are going to hit...but it's not a gauranteed rule like you're making it out to be
First Round Busts (14)
JaMarcus Russell, Raiders (1st overall, 2007)
Brady Quinn, Browns (22nd overall, 2007)
Matt Leinart, Cardinals (10th overall, 2006)
J.P. Losman, Bills (22nd overall, 2004)
Byron Leftwich, Jaguars (7th overall, 2003)
Kyle Boller, Ravens (19th overall, 2003)
Rex Grossman, Bears (22nd overall, 2003)
David Carr, Texans (1st overall, 2002)
Joey Harrington, Lions (3rd overall, 2002)
Patrick Ramsey, Redskins (32nd overall, 2002)
Tim Couch, Browns (1st overall, 1999)
Akili Smith, Bengals (3rd overall, 1999)
Cade McNown, Bears (12th overall, 1999)
Ryan Leaf, Chargers (2nd overall, 1998)
Second Round (7)
Pat White, Dolphins (44th overall, 2009)
Brian Brohm, Packers (56th overall, 2008)
John Beck, Dolphins (40th overall, 2007)
Tarvaris Jackson, Vikings (64th overall, 2006)
Quincy Carter, Cowboys (53rd overall, 2001)
Marques Tuiasosopo, Raiders (59th overall, 2001)
Shaun King, Bucs (50th overall, 1999)
That tells part of the story.
how many first and second round quarterbacks are busts? The list is a lot bigger that the list here. If you took a pool of all the quarterbacks taken in the first or second over the last ten years you would find a majority don’t work out.
There's about a 50% bust rate for 1st-round QBs
the odds only get worse later in the draft.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Quite the opposite.
There was a study done a year or two ago, i can’t find it now, but your chance at a successful QB in the first round is around 50%, something like 25% in the second, then much worse after that.
I really believe RG3 is flavor of the month.
I see him getting broken into many little pieces by angry linemen and such.
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No and I never said anything remotely close to that
The point was… Flynn is a good QB, but he doesn’t feel like he can reach that upper level to where he, as a QB, can lead and take a team to the Superbowl and win against other elite QB’s. Sure, more than the QB matters, but if you’re in a shootout against one of the best across from you, is Flynn going to take them down? Is Flynn going to best Brady? No. Best Rodgers? No. Brees? etc…
Does Luck and Griffin have those qualities to where they can be that upper level and lead your team and BEAT the other team and BEAT the other QB. Yes, they do. Does it mean they will? Of course not. But I agree, I can see them taking a team and leading them there and taking those other top tier QB’s down. I absolutely agree.
But they have more skill, and completely higher ceiling than Flynn. They have abilities both physically and intangibly that push them up into that upper echelon.
Why settle for a B or B+ or maybe even an A- in Flynn, when Luck and Griffin have the potential to be an A+++ . Not a knock on Flynn, but just that Luck and Griffin are better options if you want to build your franchise into being superbowl contenders and winners. I’ll take Luck and Griffin over Flynn 100/100 times. Even with all the risk involved.
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I wouldn't call it settling...I just think it would be a HUGE gamble to trade up to get RG3 (cause he ain't gonna be there at 11 or 12)
It could be a move that costs Pete his job if it doesn’t pan out…the risk/reward is much better signing a QB that’s already been groomed under one of the better QB’s in the league.
Necessary risk
You have to have a top QB to remain competitive over time. Taking a risk on the most valuable position on the team is worth taking.
I’d argue the opposite for Carroll, if he just keeps treading water at the position he will lose his job for not taking this team higher. NFL stands for Not For Long. If there is a reasonable risk you have to take it at QB. If there is any chance for a guy with a huge ceiling like Luck you jump at it.
by Seahawcla on Jan 4, 2012 6:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
And not to mention, not just the most valuable position on the team, but in all of sports. No player is more important or makes a bigger impact than an NFL Quarterback.
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nahhhhh
Other pitchers on the team including relievers and closers. Insanely long season that diminishes overall w/l importance. Not to mention the pitcher doesn’t determine the efficiency of your team and it’s ability to score against and beat another team.
More is on the shoulders of a QB and has a much bigger impact. Besides just throwing a ball. But reading defenses pre snap, making call, reading the field while in play, making decisions on the fly, stepping up into the pocket and moving around to beat the preassure, dodge linemen, etc etc etc. And of course the fact that one good/bad play can mean a win/loss. And in a league where every single game counts, it could have direct bearing on your teams success and post season…. so much more importance and impact. No doubt in my mind.
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A pitcher fails
And you have 13 other pitchers over the course of that season alone to pick up the slack
A QB fails, and you potentially cripple a franchise
Case in Point : Peyton Manning turning the Colts from a SB contender, into a 2 win team. Ever see a pitcher go down with injury and it have that big of a direct impact on their team? Heck to the No.
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They were arguing this year whether pitchers should even be MVP eligible, were they not?
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I also think this team is just a "Good" QB away from being contenders...
I don’t think we necessarily need a hall of fame QB with our young and emerging D
I agree, but
If you can make a move to get a potential All Pro, All World QB, then why settle for a “good” QB? If we’ll be contenders with a “good” QB… can you imagine us if we had an even better, top tier legit QB? Would you not want to see that for you team?
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I just don't see RG3 as this All Pro, All World QB...
I think he’s more like Heisman Winner Akili Smith, than Cam Newton.
its not like they grow on trees
or that you can spend a little more for the upgrade. its a crap shoot, a gamble.
I wonder what you base higher ceiling on...
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by pqlqi on Jan 5, 2012 2:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
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Why do you think Luck and RGIII have more potential? Sure, Flynn has only really played 2 games in the NFL, and he was drafted late… But his 1st two games were far better than Tom Brady’s first 2, so maybe Flynn has a higher ceiling than Brady. At the very least, Flynn has shown he can go out on Sunday and kick ass, something that neitherLuck nor RGIII has shown. Finally, Flynn performed far better against the lions than Rodgers has all year, with GB resting starters and the lions playing for playoff seeding. You shouting that Flynn will never have a chance to be as good as Luck or RG sounds like a knee jerk hype reaction to me. I haven’t looked at film on any of the 3 players, other than watching a few games here and there for the college guys, but Flynn clearly has the “it” factor for the NFL… Maybe he is never a top 5 guy, but his two full games are far far better than Kolb’s best 2 games, and better than any performance Hasselbeck put up in his first 6 seasons. Don’t bet the farm on him, but if you dismiss him, you could be dismissing the next Brady. Unless you can state some specific reason why Flynn cannot succeed? And late round pick is not a reason – late round picks that fail in this league dont ever show the command that Flynn has in his limited time. In fact, regardless of round or pedigree, I challenge you to find a player in the history of the NFL who has performed better in his 1st (near complete) two games than Flynn did, ~800 yards, 9TD, 1(?) Int… What about him screams bust to you?
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by pqlqi on Jan 5, 2012 3:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Right now I'd guess that Flynn's low side potential,
is Fitzpatrick of the Bills. Because he’s shown he can light it up like Fitz. But we haven’t seen enough to know if he can be consistent. So he could be hot and cold like Fitz too.
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Fitz is much more gifted athletically and armstrength-wise than Flynn is
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 5, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
That may be true. But that doesn't make my comparison invalid.
I’m saying I see his low end potential as being the same caliber of QB as Fitz, not that they are the same type.
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Never said he wouldn't be good or not succeed, nor use the word bust.
I’ve actually said he’d be pretty good. So not sure why you think I said otherwise. But both Luck and Griffin have factors to them that push their ceiling higher than Flynn. I wouldn’t be mad or upset if we got Flynn if Luck or Grif weren’t obtainable, BUT, due to the other qualities of Luck and Griffin, I would take the chance of making a move on them over Flynn.
Also you also can’t simply put stats into the equation, they don’t paint a whole picture. So while they’re good, yeah, there are many more other factors. So even though he did better than Brady or Better than Rodgers statistically, doesn’t mean all that much. You need to actually watch them play and what they can do. If you’re going by stats, would you then automatically put Flynn in over Rodgers in the playoffs because he performed better? No, and that’s because Rodgers is clearly a better QB.
As for Luck and Griffin, they have qualities across the board that make their ceiling higher. They both have better arms and better accuracy. They are both more athletic. Luck is ungodly smart. Griffin is smart, incredibly book smart, but due to his offense, you can’t put that over Flynn, so it’s a wash, at this point. Both L & G have great vision. At this point in their college careers they are leaps leaps leaps and bounds better than where Flynn was. Flynn was a 7th round pick for a reason. Not to mention they both clearly have the "IT* factor.
That is just breezing the surface, but basically, they all have amazing tools, amazing traits, etc that all push their ceiling much much higher than Flynn. Does it mean Flynn sucks? No. they will be better? No. But do Luck and Griffin have tools and traits that are better than Flynn? Yes. Do they have the potential to be better than Flynn and be a top tier QB? Absolutely. Their floor is lower, their ceiling is higher. I’ll take the chance to have an all world QB over the other guy.
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See but we can pickup Flynn without losing anything but money...
If we move up to pickup Luck. We’d have to give up a couple of 1st rounders, probably a 3rd rounder, and possibly a young player under contract and possibly more. If we moved up to pick RG3 we’d have to give up a little less but still would be missing out on valuable picks. The way this front office has been evaluating talent I’d rather have Flynn and the 3 or 4 players that we’d get to draft instead of getting only RG3 or Luck
I dont forsee us being able to trade up next year
Mostly cause we will be drafting 32nd , and will have to give up more to get it done.
by Oliudyen on Jan 4, 2012 4:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Packer fan here
Matt Flynn is QB that should be a starter for most teams in the league. I’ve watched this guy develop since he was drafted in 2008, and he has gotten better and better each year. People can say what they want about the Packers weapons on offense, but that doesn’t do you any good if the QB can’t get them the ball. Flynn was accurate, made the right reads, and had full control of the offense.
If you want a leader…Flynn is your man.
If you want a man to make the right reads in his progression…Flynn is your man.
If you want a QB that can make the right audibles at the line…Flynn is your man.
The only knock on Flynn is his arm strength, rightfully so. Everyone covets a QB with a strong arm. However, Flynn does have the accuracy and smarts to play at a high level. Seattle also has the weapons needed on offense for a QB to succeed. If you have any other questions about Flynn, ask away…I wish we could keep him as a backup for years to come, but that is highly unlikely. Therefore, I wish him all the best in his future endeavors.
One game at a time...
by Jabooty on Jan 4, 2012 4:25 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Throw in Jordy Nelson and it's a deal.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Flynn is a Free Agent
So the Packers won’t be trading him. Unless he is franchise tagged, but that’s the only way Flynn will be traded. With Jermichael Finley’s contract coming up, that will be more difficult. Flynn may be had in Free Agency.
One game at a time...
I've actually been wanting to ask a Packer fan about this.
Is there talk in Pack land about a franchise and trade?
Franchise
Fans have discussed it, but we have no idea what Ted Thompson will do. With Jermichael Finley’s contract also coming up, we will have to make a choice in who to slap the tag on. I think the odds are Finley will be slapped with the Tag before Flynn, so Flynn will be an unrestricted Free Agent.
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 5, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
It's almost like you're on "The Bachelorette".
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I'd be surprised if Flynn didn't get a starting job somewhere
He’ll be a highly-sought after FA and whoever gets him is going to have to give him loads of cash, a starting job or both.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 4:53 PM PST reply actions
Cleveland
The post above from the Packer fan lists off all of the traits that Holmgren values most in a quarterback: decision making, reads, and audibles. Hell, it sounds like a terrific description of Hasselbeck. I’d bet the Browns make Flynn the best offer.
That assumes, of course, that the Packers don’t franchise Flynn and trade his rights; I think they will. In which case, again, I expect Cleveland to put up a good offer.
I think Flynn is more likely than RGIII for Cleveland
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Jan 4, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
I do too.
It looks like a match made in heaven to me.
by Matt Erickson on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ditto
He looks more like a Holmgren kinda QB.
Wallace (poverty striken guy’s version of RGIII) was a fun little test for Mike, but not his true type of guy.
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Except that he went back to the well with Wallace again.
And still has him on the roster. I’d say Holmgren is more flexible than we think with QB’s and just takes the best guy he can get a hold of. Because there’s no common thread between Favre, Hass, Wallace, and McCoy.
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He brought in Delhomme and McCoy to start ahead of Wallace
Sure he’s still on board, as a backup. Flynn also looks like he could be a solid WCO QB, which Holmgren would like.
ALSO
They don’t have to spend a draft pick on a QB that way. They have 2 firsts this year. So sign the QB, draft a new WR since they’re hurting so bad in that department…and then draft another cornerstone for their franchise with the other pick. That way you get 3 new aquisitions to help bump up the team, rather than 2. 3 is > than 2!
I’m just joking, I have no idea, but kinda makes sense
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I'm pretty sure Holmgren would take Flynn in a heartbeat.
But I’m not convinced he would prefer him over RG3. Wallace and RG3 don’t really have much in common in my mind. Griffin is a bomb thrower.
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We could offer a bit less and still get him.
Location, location, location.
Cleveland doesn’t have much to offer beyond cash. They have nasty weather (makes a big difference to a QB’s game), and the opportunity to get mashed by the Ravens and Stealers 4 times a year.
Seattle however has: The Clink-8 games good to mild weather with the 12’s, and a game each in Arizona, SF & STL (dome). Cable’s O-line that is highly invested in. Receivers to throw the ball to. A defense you can win games with if you can score 20 a game. A running game.
And no state income tax. We pay more on the same contract, essentially.
Seattle is the #1 desirable spot right now for a FA QB. Hands down.
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by hazbro24 on Jan 4, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you. But then, I love Seattle.
Most NFL players have family in the South or on the East Coast, and it seems a long way to get here. Of course once they are on the seaplane of enchantment it’s a different story.
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Those things don't matter as much in the NFL.
It’s a shorter season than the other sports. It’s played during the fall/winter when you don’t really want to be in the NE/midwest. And unlike baseball/basketball you don’t need to play in a large market to get the big contract or be marketable (I’d guess that’s because of salary caps/only one game a week per team for fans to follow/and fantasy football). Two of the biggest names in football play in Green Bay and New Orleans-the same NO where CP3 was dying to get out of because the market was too small and he couldn’t make what he was worth.
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Our team should be attractive to a quarterback.
The pieces are already here with our team. We just need a quarterback to complete the picture. That has to be a lure. To think that as an upcoming free agent quarterback you could immediately be leading a tough playoff team.
Miami?
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Miami would be down on the list a bit.
FA’s want to go to the playoffs, and Brady has that division sewn up for awhile-unless the jets get their act together.
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Barkley's going to be a top 1-2 pick next year
We’ll have to give up just as many first to get him than it’d take to get Luck this year. Why wait, if that’s your game plan, just trade up for Luck this year.
Barkley is not Luck and Luck is not Barkley.
I would take Barkley over Luck any day and twice on draft day. Same price maybe. However, Barkley is the better product. Why not wait for the better product?
If Barkley declared this year, Luck still would have been picked #1
Im not saying outright that Luck will end up having the better NFL career, but I dont think you are right when you say that “Barkley is the better product.”
That's just my opinion.
I realize it’s not shared by most however, I think Barkley fits better for the PC/JS model for a QB. I could be wrong but I’d wait for Barkley.
More and more people seem to be sharing your opinion.
By this time next year, who knows.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 5, 2012 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
We lack the ammo to trade up to the top spot either this year *or* next year.
We will not get Luck, Griffin or Barkley. We will instead crush the teams that draft those cheesedicks.
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Loving the knee-jerk reactions of the McLovin Flynn group.
Get him at a backup price, and if other teams want him as their QBOTF, then don’t bother.
This ain’t Hass V2 guys.
Don't be an idiot. If an idiot would do that, then don't do it. Muahahahaaha back on twitter
What makes you so sure?
Flynn at this point in his career is more polished and ready than Hasselbeck was IMO
Hopefully NOT Hass V2
No more Matt “INT” Hasselbeck, please!
by Emperor_MA on Jan 5, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Jan 5, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Now you're talkin'!
Get ‘em both. Flynn starts for a couple of years….if he tears it up, we trade Griffin for high draft picks. If Flyyn is just OK, he goes to backup (he’s pretty damn good at that) and RG3 takes us to the Promised Land.
Make it so!
Structure of contract ...
Structure Flynn’s contract so that he gets starter money for two years, then make it heavily incentive-laden for the next three years. That way, his agent gets to report a really big number to the media (making him and Matt happy) and Flynn gets a chance to collect the payday if he performs.
MATT FLYNN
Remember Matt Hasselback? Number 2 at GB, best Seattle QB ever? Not the real reason, but GRAB MATT FLYNN NOW!! Real reasons—he’s the real deal, spent two years watching the world’s best and being coached by same, got game savvy, big arm, week 17 game!!, and no QBOF in this draft at number 11. Use the draft to get a great DE, more depth on lines, another RB beast!! Great legit competition with Tavaris.
by Sleepless in Jeju on Jan 5, 2012 1:31 PM PST reply actions
Big arm?
Have you seen him play?
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by Thomas Beekers on Jan 5, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
What the
Hell?
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Yeah, and Jerry Rice was the best receiver to play for Seattle.
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Difference is Moon was still pretty damn good when he played for us
Rice was mentoring or something….
I don't remember him being "pretty damn good" when he played for us.
Surely Hasselbeck and Krieg posted better years as ’hawks.
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One Pro Bowl. But best SEAHAWKS QB? No.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 5, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Moon went to 9 pro bowls
posted 49, 325 yards and 291 TDs
Yeah , Dave Kreig was probably better…
As you can see we are comparing hawk years to hawk years only.
I’m aware that Moon has thrown for more yards than anyone, ever.
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Olludyen, your snark is unnecessary, but more importantly unrelated to what shams or I was saying.
He clearly is pointing out QB’s during their years as a Seahawk and I’m clearly responding to him with a response to his years with the Seahawks. If you don’t think I know that Warren Moon has played in more than one more pro bowl, than you clearly know me and have figured me out and omg you guys I’m fired :(
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 5, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
oh I see
I can make a comment, and you can twist it.
But when I clarify Im being snarky?
Odd how that works since before either of you commented it seemed pretty clear to Hazbro24 what I was saying.
But since you two wanna get snippy let me drop some knowledge on you two
in 1997 he did throw for 3600+ yards good for fifth in the league, 3rd in the league in completions with 313 only 6 behind the leader. 25 TDs, good for 5th in the league. Most passing yards per game with 245.2, 7.0 Y/A, 2nd in the league in game winning drives.
Back in those days those were phenominal stats, he also was in the mist of a pretty good second year before he was injured. These were in the days where WRs were knocked unconscious by ronnie lott and steve Atwater, and hitting a QB in the head and knees was still part of the game.
I had forgotten his one good year was that good.
And actually, I’m laughing because I can totally see how my above comment sounded snippy— but it was totally at face value, actually, since as you know Moon really does have the career yardage record.
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By the way I jumped IN to this damn subthread to back you up and say he DID go to a Pro Bowl with the Hawks.
Just clarified that he wasn’t be the best QB in our franchise history in terms of career time spent with Seattle.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 6, 2012 7:16 AM PST up reply actions
There's many other ways to go
We could keep Tjack and draft a WR
No way he can fail with that many weapons!
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Who said it was sarcasm?
Okay it was
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no draft picks
I think Flynn could be a good thing, but obviously we cant hamstring ourselves with a Kolb style contract. Id like to see us get him in via free agency with wiggle room if he doesnt work out.
by RickMirersJockStrap on Jan 5, 2012 6:13 PM PST reply actions
Kolbs contract
is very friendly to the Cards…you should read the particulars in it
Obey gravity....it's the law
they have an option clause
in 2012 if I recall correctly
Obey gravity....it's the law
I think I can see why people are skeptical of Flynn.
Watch this gorgeous video in high-def full screen, it’s 12 minutes, featuring every throw Flynn made against Detroit. I don’t know, I won’t pretend I’m a scout but I don’t see all that much to offset what looks like mediocre arm strength. He connected on screens, dump-offs and a few nice bombs. Pick to Alphonso Smith was a concern.
Let another team bite?
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
by shams on Jan 5, 2012 8:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Forgot the link!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP_kCH84HmI&feature=youtu.be
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Would like Flynn but don't think we will be hurt without him.
Our organization seems to be really good at evaluating talent and I think they will find people to raise the level of competition at the quarterback position regardless if Flynn is here or not. I really liked Portis’ ability to manipulate defenses and dictate the action when he got a chance to play last year. Whenever people talk about him they talk about his physical assets, but it’s the intangibles of buying time and manipulating defenses that separate a quarterback more than that. He played against low level competition in the preseason, but I would really like to see him against better competition. I think the Hawks will find another person to bring in to compete for the job as well.
I’m really not sure what the Hawks were doing with TJack last year. I think they must have gotten away from there normal process of finding talent. At least that’s the only explanation I can come up with.
Not interested based on the likely price
Flynn will be the top free agent quarterback after his two nice performances. I do not feel comfortable paying him like a top quarterback based on just two games when he was playing with elite receiving options (Nelson, Jones, and Finely all played extensively in the game against the Lions). Heck, you can cherry pick 3 of the 8 starts Kolb made this year and if he had two of those games in a row and that was all you saw you would think he was great. Flynn may have been fine as a under the radar pick up with a potential to payoff big, but since he is going to be paid like “The Guy” and will be expected to perform as such I don’t think it is a wise allocation of resources.
I'm too important to the team. Big Stein can't be flopping and twitching.
When I looked at Kolb's best games,
which were all I really had access to at the time, I saw that the man is a good passer, good touch, good arm & accuracy, but less accurate downfield. I saw the reasons Andy Reid thought the guy was worth the world.
But even in the highlights I saw warning signs. He was like a guy who was throwing to receiving routes called in a play, not a guy playing QB. Flynn looks different to me, although he’s on an even better offense than Kolb was. He’s definitely risky — they all are — but to my eye there was a discernible difference in awareness and decision making between Kolb & Flynn. I was afraid we’d sign Kolb, but I’m hoping we sign Flynn.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Jan 10, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
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