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2012 NFL Draft: Potential OLB "Targets" for the Seahawks

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"BOOM! But he ain't no Aaron Curry."

If you haven't seen my first post in this series, you can find it here where I examine some of our potential LEO targets in this draft class. I was originally planning to examine 3-techs next but decided to hold off because I want to see the sensational underclassman, Michael Brockers, play for LSU in the BCS National Championship on Monday. So instead we'll take a peek at some OLB prospects in this post.

Identifying potential LEO and 3-tech targets was relatively straight forward. LEO prospects should be pass rush specialists in the mold of Chris Clemons and Dexter Davis. The 3-techs I'll highlight are mostly tall and rangy in the mold of Red Bryant and Alan Branch, except with a greater emphasis on penetration and rushing the passer. Identifying OLB prospects we might be interested in was much more challenging.

There is a wide variety of talents we might or might not value highly. The two OLB draft picks made by this regime are Malcolm Smith and KJ Wright. Smith and Wright are two very different OLBs. Smith is a sideline-to-sideline, undersized LB with legitimate 4.4 speed where Wright as a taller, more instinctive LB who moves with a certain smoothness. Further compounding this difficulty identifying targets is the fact that Wright, who is the more established player at this point, could start at either the WILL or SAM position. Yet Pete Carroll also expressed an interest in giving Smith more playing time in his season ending press conference.

One might wonder why we'd even consider a highly rated OLB prospects but there are several factors which suggest to me we almost certainly will. With the exception of Golden Tate, all of our draft picks out of the first three rounds have been asked to start right away. One of the simplest positions for us to continue this trend would be at OLB by letting free agent Leroy Hill walk away. Hill had a nice comeback this year and was excellent defending the run but he will be 30 next season and we were consistently victimized by TEs in 2011, with Hill as a prime target.

The other factor to consider is Pete Carroll (in that same press conference) spoke to our pass rush and team speed on defense as areas for improvement this off-season. That could mean a LEO draft pick. That could mean getting Malcolm Smith on the field more often. But perhaps more than anything this suggests further draft picks at one or several LB positions where two out of our three 2011 starters are currently free agents.

In conclusion, more than identifying potential OLB "targets," I will try to express what some of the highly rated OLB prospects could offer us in terms of speed, pass rush, and better defending against TEs. All that while contributing to an already very good run defense. Perhaps now one can appreciate why an OLB choice in the first three rounds might be warranted. All but one of the prospects below would play WILL for us. Once again I'll be orienting the prospect in the order I think the Seahawk's front office might prioritize them.

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Zach Brown (6-2 230) Senior from North Carolina

If Montgomery and Brockers are who I hope we'll pick at 11/12, Brown is who I predict we'll pick if the LSU duo fall through for some reason. Combine Malcolm Smith's 4.4 speed with KJ Wright's smoothness and that's essentially what you got in Zach Brown. He isn't overly physical or a natural pass rusher but he flies to the football and is a very reliable tackler. He's also something of a ball hawk with six interceptions over the past two seasons.

I'd guess that a big reason why team speed on defense is such a priority for Carroll is because too often we proved susceptible to runs and screens on the perimeter this year. If so then Brown would be a huge addition for us.

Rob Stanton is also a fan and projected Brown to the Seahawks with the 14th pick in his December 28 mock draft. In that mock draft Stanton says "Brown has a bit of Lance Briggs in him." High praise indeed. Here is a scouting report. Below you can watch him against Missouri this year and here he is against Louisville. Here is his 2010 TMBDraft analysis.


Bobby Wagner (6-1 232) Senior from Utah State

Wagner is definitely the most complete LB on this list. Ask me about any one attribute and my response will probably be "pretty good." Wagner is a smaller LB but his absurdly long arms and above-average athleticism help him fend off blockers and wrap up ball carriers. With some coaching I think he could develop into a legitimate pass rusher and not just a blitzer. He looks comfortable in coverage and his instincts seem, well, "pretty good."

Such a well rounded a player would be another welcome addition to our LB corps, especially someone with some upside as a pass rusher. Below you can watch him in an impressive performance against Auburn this year and here he is against LA Tech.

Melvin Ingram (6-2 276) RS Senior from South Carolina

Melvin Ingram is the only LB on this list who would play SAM for us. He could also rotate in at DT/DE in passing situations, similar to Anthony HHargrove this year. Ingram isn't slow but he's certainly not fast. What Ingram gives up in speed he makes up for rushing the passer and defending the run. What impresses me most about Ingram is his ability to rip, swim, and especially spin his way past blockers while still retaining an uncanny awareness of where the ball is. It's usually either one or the other but Ingram's ability to do both makes him a real presence in the backfield.

Ingram would make our strong side a black hole to run against (assuming we're able to re-sign Red Bryant) and could provide some much needed pass rush on first and second down. He was rarely asked to drop into coverage in college but he still managed two picks in 2011 due to his uncanny ball awareness and seemingly solid hands. I suspect that he'll be decent in a zone but probably have trouble matching up against TEs in man.

Here is a scouting report. Below you can watch him against Auburn this year. Here he is against Georgia and here he is against East Carolina, also from this year.

Lavonte David (6-1 225) Senior from Nebraska

To put it simply, Lavonte David is a hunter. It's a lot of fun to watch David play. I can almost hear David Attenborough narrating the hunt as David stalks his prey anticipates the play and knifes through the wall of full grown adults blockers to tackle the vulnerable infant ball carrier to the ground before feasting on it's flesh. David amassed an unreal 276 kills tackles over his two year career at Savannah University Nebraska.

It's possible that we won't highly consider David because of his undersized similarities to Smith. David offers many of the same attributes as Smith but at a much higher level, especially concerning anticipation and tackling. David is only an inch taller than Smith but he seems longer limbed and thus maybe a little better suited against big TEs. He's not a pure pass rusher but he's very opportunistic as a blitzer, just as any hunter should be when he smells weakness. He gambled a lot in college and will need to temper that at the next level but overall he's an exciting playmaker.

Here is a scouting report. Below you can watch him against Michigan this year. Here he is against Iowa and here he is against Washington (bummer I know), also from this year. Here is his 2010 TMBDraft analysis.

Keenan Robinson (6-3 235) RS Senior from Texas

I'm a big fan of Keenan Robinson. A lot of teams might shy away from Robinson due to his tall, skinny build but that didn't discourage the Hawks from drafting KJ Wright. Robinson would be Wright's weakside equivalent. He's not quite as strong as Wright but he's a lot quicker and is faster to the sidelines.

I really appreciate Robinson's willingness to take on blockers despite his slight frame. He's not especially stout but can provide an initial pop while using his length and quickness to separate. He's generally tackles well but too often goes for the big hit instead of wrapping up. He's very capable in coverage and will match-up against a modern era TE about as well an LB can be expected to. He also plays with an attitude and really fights for the ball. He was almost never asked to rush the QB at Texas but has an intriguing skill set for it. There may be some untapped potential there.

Here is a scouting report. Below you can see Robinson in the 2010 Red River Rivalry against Oklahoma and here is his 2010 TMBDraft analysis, which starts with the Oklahoma game. Unfortunately I couldn't turn up any film from this season.

Ronnell Lewis (6-2 240) Junior from Oklahoma

Ronnell Lewis would offer the greatest upgrade as a pass rusher from the WILL position on this list and could even see snaps at LEO on passing downs. He played DE and rush LB for the Sooners. Lewis didn't show much by way of pass rush moves but he's strong, has excellent foot speed, and closes extremely quickly. He'll be a great blitzer as a pro. Lewis is also a violent tackler and hits like a ton of bricks and could contribute on special teams.

Ironically, Lewis actually reminds me a lot of a slightly larger and younger version of Leroy Hill. Like Hill, Lewis probably won't offer much in coverage but will be an excellent blitzer and a force against the run. Lewis would probably platoon a lot with Malcolm Smith depending on the situation, which could end up as a nice arrangement for both men.

Below you can watch him against Texas this year and here is a pretty awesome highlight video.

Travis Lewis (6-2 227) RS Senior from Oklahoma

Travis Lewis came into the season with a lot of hype but only had a lukewarm Senior season. Still, there are a lot of qualities to like about Lewis. He is plenty fast and pretty well rounded. Lewis is an excellent coverage LB who changes direction quickly and reads the quarterback's eyes. In run support he's very adept at shooting the gap to bring down the ball carrier near the LOS. He's a sound tackler and can lay a hit if given the opportunity. He is surprisingly tough for his small stature but can be engulfed by larger blockers if they get their hands on him. He's an alright blitzer but won't fight through many blocks if he's picked up.

Here is a very in-depth scouting report. Below you can see him in the 2010 Fiesta Bowl against UCONN and here is his 2010 TMBDraft analysis. Sadly no 2011 film.

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That is VERY nice work, man.

Though I suppose that Zach Brown (and the entire UNC defense) might have preferred the use of film from a different matchup. As a Mizzou fan (who watched the whole Indy Bowl) I thought we’d beat them 7 times out of 10, but probably not that badly. They didn’t show up. The Louisville film is a great deal kinder to Mr. Brown. That said, he’s an excellent prospect who was asked to do a great deal in college.

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by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2012 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

You should include Bruce Irvin as a LEO prospect.

Especially since Pete Carroll said that he wants to get faster on the defense, and I believe him.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2012 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

I included him as a LEO prospect.

The link to that article is at the top of this one. I feel a lot better about my work on this article though. Had to get my feet wet a little on that first one.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 8, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I didn't see the first one.

I’d love to see what Irvin does in a 4-man with at least one player who takes double teams. One-on-one, with his speed and change of direction, he’s difficult to block.

His size will probably dictate that he plays the weakside more often than not.

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea he's awesome, one of my favorite prospects in this draft class.

Just incredible in space. It was frustrating to watch him this year have to battle it out in the trenches. He’d fit better at LEO than any other position in the league. We could get great value out of Irvin.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 8, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Brown would be nice at 11/12.

But I’m intrigued with Vontaze Berefict. I think he could be a great LB. Plus his draft stock seems to be falling a bit and I think we can trade down to get him plus additional picks. He’s listed as an ILB but I think he could fit well as our WILL.

by FisteeFisterer on Jan 8, 2012 10:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

Way over aggressive. He’ll be caught out of position a lot as a pro, just like Curry. I don’t think the Hawks will think very highly of him.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 8, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Disagree

Vontaze Burfict was pursued by Pete Carroll at USC. He is totally different than Curry. Curry had very little instincts and was poor in coverage. That is why he is in Oakland now and KJ Wright is playing. Burfict is ultra competitive and brings a physical play that Carroll likes. Pete also hinted in his final press conference to increasing speed at the linebacker position. Burfict is physical, fast, and instinctive. If Pete can minimize his dumb penalties, he will be a steal in this draft. I remember not too long ago saying we should sign Blunt. Everyone said he was too much of a liability. I think he’s done alright.

That said, the only way I see them going after Burfict in the first is if they trade down to accumulate picks and get some ammunition to pursue Matt Barkley in next years draft. Most likely we will be picking up a talented player who will compete right away. I wouldn’t be surprised if we took David Decastro in the 1st, especially since we will start the season with at least one of our rookie lineman on the pup list and Gallery is no spring chicken.

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by Anthony Herness on Jan 8, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Burfict does seem to have better instincts than Curry.

I suspect that he will make a lot more plays than Curry at the next level. However, he is still over aggressive and that leads to mistakes. I don’t think Pete means “aggressiveness” when he speaks about improving team speed. Early in this season he often talked about players trying to do too much in run support. I’m assuming Curry was the chief offender. Curry was then traded.

I wouldn’t describe either Malcolm Smith nor KJ Wright as being particularly aggressive. They both seem a lot more measured in their approaches. I think a big mistake people make is assuming Pete can simply coach guys through mental blocks. Thus far we’ve almost exclusively taken players who inherently buy into what Pete is selling (perhaps with the exception of Golden Tate). Burfict needs a lot of taming and that won’t appeal to us.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 9, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

One thing about "pursued by Pete Carroll at USC" as a point

Is that these kids were pursued when they were : High School Kids

Obviously Burfict has athletic talent, and is a good football player overall, hence why Carroll wanted him to go to USC, but recruiting a kid who’s a Jr/Sr in High School is COMPLETELY different than a kid coming out of college to the pros. So much happens over the course of their years playing in college that can positively or negatively impact their judgement.

He saw something in Burfict as a high school kid, and figured he could turn him into a good player at USC. That doesn’t mean he automatically see’s him as pro material and would automatically like him as a Seahawk.

Not saying Pete doesn’t like him, but defaulting to “he scouted him as a HS player” is fairly weak. He scouted TONS of kids, some who turned out amazing, some good, some okay, some bad, some completely terrible. And just because he was high/low on a kid at some point when they were a teenager, doesn’t mean it still holds true.

by DSAhawker on Jan 9, 2012 2:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Who WAS a great college player, don't forget...

"Now I'm tired of this s---. I'm sick and f------ tired of an 8-10 record. I'm f------ tired of losing to Purdue. I'm not here to f--- around this week. Now you may be, but I'm not." -- Bobby Knight, circa 1992

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 11, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Ive heard Berefict being compared to Ray Lewis.

I imagine that’s his high ceiling. And this come from Dennis Erickson who coached both in colege. His coverage skills are what set him apart from Curry comparisons. Curry was atrocious in coverage.

by FisteeFisterer on Jan 9, 2012 12:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The comparison is not without some merit.

I just don’t think the Hawks will consider him that highly. I suspect an aggressive 3-4 team like the Steelers or indeed, the Ravens, won’t let Burfict fall out of the first.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 9, 2012 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I see him going late in the 1st perhaps 23-28.

A trade down would be in order which seems to be a schnieder specialty. I’m in no way saying this is what they should do, but he is an intriguing player with very high upside. And any time you have a chance to land a guy like Ray Lewis, its definitely something to ponder over. Plus PC has shown that he’s willing to adapt to his players and make the right fits. It should be interesting to see what the Hawks do.

by FisteeFisterer on Jan 9, 2012 12:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Not all of these guys are going to be considered in the first round.

Could you indicate where you believe we should be targeting each of these guys? Are they pretty much all guys we would look for in the first or second? Which could potentially slip into the third? We have a moderately early pick there so we could potentially get someone on this list there, right?

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 8, 2012 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

I didn't include the rounds I thought they'd go in because I found it a lot harder to predict.

I’ll give in a shot for you though…

Zach Brown – rd1
Bobby Wagner – Scouts are largely undecided because he hasn’t gotten much exposure coming out of Utah State. I think a lot of analysts are waiting to see how he performs at the combine. I’d be happy with him as our second round pick though.
Melvin Ingram – rd2
Lavonte David – rd2
Keenan Robinson – rd3 or rd4
Ronnell Lewis – rd2 or rd3
Travis Lewis – rd2 or rd3 but could fall farther depending on how underwhelmed teams were by his Senior season.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 8, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

"Victimised by tight ends"

We were, but lots of other teams were as well – probably a product of various rule changes. Not sure that bringing in a high round OLB would be as effective as devising a better scheme to defend against them. Suspect that was why coach was so enthused for 2 TE formations before injuries intervened.

by Brunanburh on Jan 8, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

Lots of teams were, yes. But I believe that we are ranked at the bottom of the league in statistic concerning yards conceded to tight ends.

I can’t remember where that was though. Anyone else remember the specifics?

Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"

by Bobby Cink on Jan 8, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Seahawks' defensive performance vs groups of receivers

Found here. Rankings are in DVOA, so negative is better.

Seahawks vs Pass

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by Matt Erickson on Jan 9, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

A little perspective on that number vs #2 WR

The Jets came in 2nd, at -25.3%. The Titans were 3rd, at -20.4%. The Bears were 4th, at -18.9%. The Lions were 5th, at -18.5%. And the 49ers were 6th, at -17.8%.

So Seattle wasn’t just the best team at defending #2 WR’s, they were the best by a country mile. I’d be pretty interested to look for an underlying reason for this. The Seahawks don’t match up corners to specific receivers, but play left and right CB, so this isn’t necessarily due specifically to Browner or Sherman. Even in the last game, Fitzgerald lined up on the left against Browner early in the game, but moved over to the right against Sherman later on. There could be an ET effect in here somewhere, but I’m not sure exactly where to look.

I think the Seahawks often manned up a safety on a tight end (either Kam or Bigby, usually). This is mostly a sense I have that I’ll seek to confirm as I re-watch games. I think KJ occasionally played in man coverage on the tight end—appropriately so, considering he mostly lined up as the Sam.

I’m pretty sour on Hill’s future with the team, and would rather see them let him walk. I’m also torn on Heater. Love the guy, but he seems to be playing hurt quite a bit, and I’m not sure he couldn’t be upgraded on more or less significantly. I was encouraged by Mayock’s praise of him in the Eagles’ game (“This kid came into the league undrafted out of TCU, and has developed into one of the better inside linebackers in the NFL”), but I’m not sure how sincere it was, and how much of it was Mike channeling his inner Gruden.

I’m saying more than I intended, but this was a roundabout way of saying that the Seahawks weren’t nearly as bad against TEs as it seemed. And when they did struggle against them, it can’t really be blamed on Hill. However, the struggles against receiving backs is very much definitely attributable to Hill, as they’re often his responsibility as the primary Will backer.

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by Matt Erickson on Jan 9, 2012 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Alright

I should have researched the subject more before saying that. My underlying opinion remains the same though: Hill is not very good in coverage.

I agree on Heater. I like him and he’s younger than Hill but it’s still up in the air whether he’ll be re-signed. What frustrates me most about Hawthorne is how poor of a blitzer he is. I just don’t feel any urgency when he rushes the passer.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 9, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, this wasn't supposed to be a dig at you

I’ve loved these posts you’ve done. Originally, I was griping about how bad they were against TEs and how a lot of that was probably Hill’s fault. Then I did the digging I listed above.

Also, based on the eye-test, Hill is pretty much terrible in coverage as well, it just hasn’t borne itself out statistically because he isn’t tasked with it all that often.

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by Matt Erickson on Jan 9, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Last in covering Rbs is same flaw as TEs

LB coverage sucks.

I hope McCoy or a younger version comes along.
Also RBs tend to be the last check down, so pressure could be at fault for stringing out the coverage too long, but being last, id gamble to say all factors are in play.

by Oliudyen on Jan 9, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily.
Last in covering Rbs is same flaw as TEs

This doesn’t hold true absolutely. Often TE coverage is the responsibility of either a safety or the Sam (“strongside”—the side of the offense that the TE lines up on). Leroy Hill generally plays Will (“weakside”—the side of the offense opposite the TE), who is more often responsible for containment and playing man coverage on the running back if he happens to leak out of the backfield. As far as I’m aware, most schemes also call for the Will backer to generate pass rush more often than the Sam.

So a team with a solid Sam ’backer and a weak Will ’backer would, generally, show up statistically as good against TEs and bad against receiving RBs — precisely the Seahawks.

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by Matt Erickson on Jan 9, 2012 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea

My statement mostly stemmed from my general opinion of Hill’s poor coverage and the frustration of watching Vernon Davis repeatedly get behind Hill in that last 49er game. He just wasn’t getting deep enough in his zone.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 9, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That isnt compeltely accurate.

On passing downs teams may switch, but in man to man the LBs in the base set cover TEs and RBs, unless there is a blitz. In cases of a blitz the offensive formation plays a large part of that equation.
If its an LB blitz and a balanced set, then the Safety from the blitz side covers teh second reciever on that side be it a RB or TE, the opposite side LB covers the second reciver on the opposite side and MLB covers the remaining (or forward of the two backs if stacked ) in 21, the MLB covers the RB blitz side safety covers the TE on their side and othe opposite backer covers TE.

If its a safety blitz then LBs are in full coverage. both of these assume atleast one safety for deep help, but in cover zero, its usually both safeties covering along with non-blitzing LB

In almost every case a LB is matched up on a RB, and in most cases if there is a second RB its a LB as well, soemtimes being a safety.

In passing situations, generally speaking when its man to man, and a nickle or dime DB/DBs are in its the LB on the RB, or if no RB a TE. its a falshood that Safeties usually cover TEs on 3rd down, though Bigby was used there later in the season it was McCoy on 3rd downs before he was injured.

One other point, generally speaking 3rd down backs pass block and occasionally receive, with exceptions of certain backs like sproles. When they do its often a screen and that is still indicative of LB play.

by Oliudyen on Jan 10, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Brockers

I really like this guy the best of any of the very talented group of LSU d-linemen. I know Rob at Seahawks Draft Blog has LSU DE Sam Montgomery going to the Hawks (Montgomery has since said he’s staying at LSU), but I would think Brockers is definitely someone to look at in a rather dull DT class (not a big fan of drafting Still). I look forward to seeing what you have to say about him.

by cojack324 on Jan 8, 2012 11:38 AM PST reply actions  

What's great is it's really down to only two areas of need.

And to not need o-line help is flat weird . Outstanding write-up , Thanks a bunch!

by Richard fg7 on Jan 8, 2012 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

I like Melvin Ingram

he has very good instincts has great vision and plays with good speed sideline to sideline. he has also lined up as a d lineman has good size and is athletic. if we are getting a LEO end or LB prospect i think he would be perfect for this D. and we could trade down to grab him pick up a couple more picks and grab him.

by Jacob Lind on Jan 8, 2012 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

This was well done

Although OLB is a need, I see some value in the later rounds to fill. KJ Wright was a 4th round pick, not that we can expect that ever year, but JS/PC seem to like a certain mold with their LB corps. That said, if Brown is the pick, I wont be upset at all, but I’d much rather DE

by tarryhawk on Jan 8, 2012 6:48 PM PST reply actions  

True.

Even if we let Leroy Hill walk, we haven’t locked ourselves into drafting an OLB with a high pick. I get the feeling Pete would be comfortable handing Malcolm Smith the starting job at WILL if need be, similar to Kam Chancellor this last off season. It seems likely to me we’ll consider OLB an option though. If an OLB is the highest rated player on our board then we won’t hesitate.

DE and especially LEO is definitely a priority but with Montgomery returning to school, I don’t see any DEs worthy of our 11/12 pick.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 9, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions  

You are on fire Acute.

Loving the series: are you gonna do potential 3-tech prospects next?

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by RagingAlot on Jan 9, 2012 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

I'm going to wait and see if Michael Brockers declares before posting that list.

But until then I’ll take a look at potential MIKEs and 5-techs. After I do the 3-techs I’ll revisit the LEO to do something more akin to the intro above and also remove Montgomery from the list while adding another prospect or two I’ve turned up. That will close out the series for the front 7 (excluding 1-tech since Mebane is signed to a long term deal and has been steady as a rock).

Then I’ll talk to Danny about whether he’d like me to move onto CB, RB, QB, etc.

by Ben Harbaugh on Jan 9, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

impressive collection of work

my first thought watching Zach Brown play in that clip is that he just looks a lot like Curry. It might be a result of the blowout score that he is playing more conservatively, but he spends a lot of time standing in space around no players, breaks to the play quite late, doesn’t shed many blockers, doesn’t overpower players, has poor technique and misses too many simple tackles both in the pile and in open space, doesn’t punish the ball carrier and doesn’t seem to play with urgency. He does get around the field pretty fast when he decides to go somewhere, but as that decision seems to be late, I would have a lot of concern that the speed of the NFL would be too much for the style of play he demonstrates in “this tape”. Maybe he plays differently in other games?

Bobby Wagner – I agree, would be a great add to the Seahawks. To me he looks bigger than the 6’2" you report him at, and at the very least, he has the frame and shoulders to add another 15-20 lbs and be a beast. He looks NFL ready from day 1, and as a true senior might have a bit more room for physical development than a RS senior.

I liked watching Travis Lewis drop into pass coverage and he has that same Earl Thomas nose for the play/ball – on his way to the tackle before the direction of the play has developed. He does appear undersized to be an every down LB. I could see him being a mid round depth pick for special teams and bandit packages if he was available. I wonder if a comparison to London Fletcher might be accurate – as in if we could get London Fletcher II, wouldn’t we all just be stoked?

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by pqlqi on Jan 10, 2012 3:20 AM PST reply actions  

Bobby Wagner all day...

love his motor.

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by IMIN4LIFE on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

He's a beast, for sure.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

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