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Seattle Seahawks: Exploring Free Agency Methods and the Draft

Though I've been looking backwards and stuck in the past in my posts recently (that will continue), like many, I'm also a constant browser of free agency and draft stuff. Without trying to be all serious sounding - what happens in free agency and the draft is really very important. This offseason and next offseason are hopefully the final years of building what looks on track to be a solid foundation for this franchise. I definitely care about what happens in March and April. I mean, don't we all care around here? It's a good thing. So, here are some thoughts I've been holding in for a while; as recent as from yesterday, or as far back as the fall. Just preparing you.

The Lineage Factor

Unlike last offseason, free agency happens first (like it usually does). We've heard Marshawn Lynch, Red Bryant and David Hawthorne (to name a few) express a strong desire to be back. There is a sentiment Seattle will try and re-sign a good portion of their guys (while attempting to better every position on the roster). It's always encouraging to hear guys want to stick around to build something; a testament to the "system" working because the organization is attracting players it inherited and new players it recently traded for or signed. So right off the bat, one thought is - 'do more high profile players look at Seattle as a possible destination after seeing the change in culture have an on-field effect, especially in the second half of the season?' Maybe.

But, what I'm not saying is that I'm expecting Seattle to go free agent crazy; not at all. Davis quoted John Schneider in his Green Bay Model series part IV; "If we put together a nice Draft this year, [add] a couple nice free agents, re-do some of our guys together, then yeah, we'll be on our way. [Next year, we'll] add another Draft to that and we'll be on our way to the motto we had at Green Bay, where we don't have to go outside the house."

Lineage was a huge factor during free agent acquisitions last year because of the lockout and coaching turnover; Seattle was finding "their" guys. The potential for continuity after almost no offseason was king, pursuing certain players at key positions so their familiarity within the system would potentially trickle to other guys on the daily, instead of pursing players with higher potential and the ensuing task of transitioning/fitting a key player into a new scheme if he did not come in as a sure "fit." The organization valued creating team wide chemistry and trust (perhaps more than normal) because of the missed months.

The Seahawks used free agency to bring in Tarvaris Jackson, Sidney Rice, Zach Miller, Robert Gallery, Jimmy Wilkerson and Atari Bigby; this group, each player with a tie to Schneider or a coach/coordinator, was intended to be more than 1/3 of the starting offense and a few small, potentially key pieces on defense. They took risks on players with injury histories or potential red flags in some cases, but hoped for the high ceiling to be a reality.

Star-divide

Wilkerson missed the entire season; only three (Jackson, Miller and Bigby) played in 15 games; Gallery continued his trend of missing at least four games in a season for the third year in a row and Rice failed to play in 10 games for the second year in a row and ended the year on IR. Admittedly, I was not optimistic Rice and Gallery could stay healthy (sorry for starting in negative town, but...I remain conflicted), cautiously optimistic about Jackson and Bigby, and actually pretty pumped by Wilkerson and Miller. In terms of their performance, I think they got a mixed return on the investment thus far (and it certainly depends on what you expected from the acquisitions in the first place), but analyzing how last year's class turned out is for another time (at least for me).

I'm curious about what's coming up for this organization, starting a month from today. We've already seen Breno Giacomini receive a two year deal (like the re-signing of on-the-rise/nasty/versatile depth here) and presumably a solid portion (my initial instinct is around half, give or take a few on either side. Confusing, yes.) of the 16 unrestricted free agents will be brought back before free agency starts. Has the potential for lineage-based signings diminished because the player pool in that regard has shrunk (though, I can't say for sure if the pool has indeed shrunk). Does a player of that ilk, such as former Tom Cable project turned dynamic H-back/fullback Marcel Reece, fit into the equation?

Where does a guy like Wilkerson, a free agent they had expectations for heading into the year, or Matt McCoy, an emerging piece that was re-signed on a one year deal for 2011 and got hurt early on, still fit? On a different but related line; how many "Moruskell" era players are retained? Does lineage/connection to the coaches/franchise still play a major role, or has that window passed and the organization decides to put more emphasis on building their house with new guys?

Take a chance on integrating the "misfit" star?

(Quick note; I perceive misfit to have multiple meanings. It's not solely referring to a player who acts out or whatever. We are going for; for whatever reason, the player doesn't fit.)

In searching for clues, an example that has intrigued me for the past year or two - because of John Schneider's association and the Packers' title run - is the signing of a disgruntled Charles Woodson to a seven year, $52.7-million dollar deal (according to Wikipedia) back in 2006. But, how it happened and the progression I find a bit interesting, culminating in his signing of an extension before the Super Bowl season:

Woodson came to Green Bay as an unrestricted free agent before the 2006 season, but he wasn't enthusiastic about the move at the time. After publicly feuding with coach Bill Callahan, then missing most of the 2005 season after breaking his leg, Woodson didn't have many other offers on the table. So he went to the Packers.

He acknowledges that he didn't have a positive perception of the town or the team coming in, but he came around eventually. ‘It was a gradual thing,' Woodson said. ‘I think probably the more people that I met around here in the community and just throughout Wisconsin and just playing here with the guys that we have and the organization and the way they are with their players and the way they take care of their players, it was a gradual process. Once I realized what I had here in Green Bay, then it was a done deal from there.'

One thing that stands out here is how Woodson talks about the organization treating players well; it's no secret the Seahawks have a first class facility and are trying to build a championship team. It stuck out to me last pre-draft season when (now a Patriot) Ryan Mallet said on the radio he walked away feeling the ambition of this organization. Brandon Browner recently spoke about how he thinks his clear communication with Carroll and belief in himself during tryouts helped earn him a chance. The smaller point I'm trying to get at here; this organization is willing to work with players to help maximize their human potential, period, and that rubs off.

Back to Woodson; John Schneider saw that play out, up close and personal. My memory has me thinking he has previously said he's willing to be a bit more aggressive than former boss Ted Thompson in free agency. When it comes down to a big signing, will the potential of the misfit outweigh the need for continuity now that we are a year further into the re-build and not dealing with the lockout?

Where's the line between not panicking and missing out on the big move that could have been?

We don't have a normal offseason to go by - offseason one was the beginning of the rebuild and last year was normal by no regards - so I personally think we are still learning the methods of how this front office attacks acquisitions.

So with that in mind; with the in house mentality being built into the culture, is this type of signing something they would even consider? In a way, it could show this organization, now in the third year of the regime, is nearing a position where the true character of their methods could become a bit more evident through the pursuit of a "touchdown" maker (or perhaps a touchdown thrower...translating to the other side of the ball, a sack artist or another elite defensive player) that doesn't have ties to the organization.

The other side of the coin says such a move by the Seahawks kind of goes against the grain. I think the clip of John Schneider talking about the need to not "panic" at quarterback, because it can set an organization back, displays this other side. My inclination is the 'don't panic' mentality is something Schneider learned from mentor Ron Wolf, as Wolf believed in full reflection and contemplation before a decision rather than rash action (to be less vague, when he re-built the Packers in the 1990's, Wolf did nothing rash in the beginning and, according to Wolf, he took heat for the slow, yet methodical process that eventually worked. He did that because it was the only way he felt comfortable doing it. And it worked. Yes, he found Brett Favre and Mike Holgmren. Anyway...). I perceive this train of thought to say panicking can be worse than doing nothing.

We saw the Seahawks bring in Jackson and create as favorable an environment as possible, lifting him into a position where he could seize and run with the leadership role; the organization knows Jackson is a competitor and from the "treating players well" perspective, has earned himself an offseason of trying to further his leadership. I think they trust he will work hard to get better.

Anyway, I'm not trying to dive into the quarterback situation specifically. I'm just using it as an example to further imply that panicking is not a preferred tenet of this organization. Whether or not they bring in a big time/potentially risky free agent like Mario Williams, Cliff Avril, a premier linebacker or a quarterback (yes, I'm proactively lumping Peyton Manning into here because, well, it adds to the fun) will depend on a number of factors. Let's not forget that Seattle was near the top in remaining cap space last year and potentially have room to make a big move, depending on what happens with re-signing their guys (Davis put together a snapshot of Seattle's current cap situation, here).

It's possible we see a confluence of talent, risk, "misfit" and unfamiliarity with the Seahawks' prize of the 2012 free agency class. Free agency could be relatively quiet, opting for veteran depth in free agency to supplement big time potential or an unexpected change - moving up (seems less likely) or down, even a few times, if the board falls poorly - in the draft. After all, we know building through the draft is a preferred method for this organization; free agency feels more supplementary, except for unique cases (Mario...Manning...cough...not Mario Manningham).

Sitting here at a month before free agency, we don't know the answers to these questions. But, they are fun to talk about and they will remain that way. How do you see the Seahawks attacking free agency?

The Draft

Anyway, I've already gone on more than I anticipated with free agency, so forewarning here; no talking your ear off going forward. But, digressing just for a quickie, because in this case I think it's necessary. One of the reasons I love this site is because of the amount of quality information that graces the front page, mostly coming from those who are simply contributing due to a love for the Seahawks. The varying perspectives and wide range of focus I think creates a pretty unique place for Seahawks and even just football fans to come to. Sure, I'm biased, but I bet I'm not the only one who feels this place is a great resource for all things Seahawks and football.

(I thought about putting "rec this article if you agree" here, but I refrained because taking credit for other peoples information or opinions is the OPPOSITE of what I'm trying to do right here. Instead, rec the comment below to give some props for the quality of draft/free agency analysis that has hit the front page in recent weeks. After all, it's the Hallmark holiday week of sharin' the love, right?)

We're shifting gears to 12 short thoughts to finish up:

--Since November (more specifically, since the Redskins game when the friend of mine who went with me asked what my #1 draft need was) I've wanted a dynamic, versatile front seven player that could create pressure and was capable against the run. I say front seven here because I'm not necessarily talking about a speed rushing defensive end or a pure pass rusher; a guy that could kick inside on passing downs, can play the run and/or drop in coverage (as we see Seattle do with their ends/tackles/rushers) is valuable to me. A penetrating, pocket pushing, solid defensive tackle could fit the bill, too. Something that matters to me here; hands up in passing lanes. (A side note: I'm curious to see where/if 2011 undrafted free agent signee Pierre Allen fits into this puzzle)

--Melvin Ingram or Courtney Upshaw over Quinton Coples for me at this juncture.

--I've liked Kirk Cousins as a non 1st round QB to consider for a while. I'm not sure how I feel about Tannehill in the 1st round, but I like him in general and have for a while.

--Two attributes I'm looking for in regard to how this organization drafts: Length and general football savvy. K.J. Wright and Richard Sherman are examples of players from the 2011 draft that fit both profiles.

-- If a player has high football acumen, good instincts and is willing to learn, I think the organization is willing to take chances on players that may not seem to have a true role; drafting with specialization and versatility in mind, similar to Wright last year. They took him without really knowing where to put him.

--Derek Stephens spoke highly about Nebraska linebacker Lavonte David in the draft podcast series (calling him the best "traditional" outside linebacker in the draft); Nebraska coach Bo Pelini called him a coach's dream. He is a player I'm now really intrigued by. Undersized (6' plus, 225ish) but has speed, coverage ability, instincts, energy and is a sure tackler. 11.5 sacks (6, 5.5) over two years shows some consistency in his ability to attack and close on the quarterback. I've noticed he can get engulfed by lineman if he doesn't stay away from blocks, which can be an issue. More thought to be done here...he potentially fills the need for speed and athleticism at linebacker, but at what cost to his lack of size?

--Other front seven names that struck me from the podcasts (if you haven't listened yet, go do it. Great stuff. Part 1, Part 2, Part 3) but I can't say to have researched much at all by myself, so more learning here too: Billy Winn, Bruce Irvin, Nick Perry, Shea McClellin, Josh Kaddu.

--Two under the radar players I'm intrigued by after initial discovery: linebacker Demario Davis and defensive lineman Chigbo Anunoby.

--Assuming we keep Lynch, I want a back complementary back to spell him; complementary not in the sense that he is opposite, rather a player that has a similar skill set (not necessarily as bruising, though) and gives the offense the capability to interchange backs without giving off a tell for the play based on formation or personnel.

--Could the Seahawks really pass on Trent Richardson if he falls? That's a tough one... (tough question to decide on right now, not implying they have to take him)

--Do the Seahawks target an Aaron Glenn type corner? Remember, Pete Carroll was the Jets DC from 1990-1993 and then Head Coach in 1994, when they took the 5'8" athlete with the 12th overall pick. Not necessarily saying at 12 here, though...any round will do. Just think, player X and Walter Thurmond inside...:)

--How aggressively does Seattle pursue offensive lineman in this draft, coming off of a "take one with your first two picks" performance in 2011? If they can re-sign Paul McQuistan and begin developing Jarriel King, there is already a lot of competition there. How much more is needed?

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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Feb 13, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I love this photo so much.

Just makes me feel great about the future of the Seahawks. It’s not possible to have this picture front-paged too much.

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by shams on Feb 13, 2012 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

I saw the recent comments about the usefulness of a "change of pace" back

specifically being a runner who runs at a different pace. I take the traditional view here, that a backup running back’s value is often directly tied into the contrasting running style and skillset, and I would specifically hope to target such a thing.

Defenses can end up being better-suited to defend a particular style or skill better than others, and we’ve ourselves seen striking results between defending good runners, even fast runners, but have trouble with guys who are quicker cutters and/or run in a scheme designed for misdirection.

Lynch is not often thought of as a very fast back, but toward year’s end many started to realize the kind of speed he really has, in the Philadelphia game specifically. A good compliment to the backfield would be a moves or scat back. Lynch has better moves than Forsett and Washington’s skill utilizes speed with angles.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Feb 13, 2012 3:20 PM PST reply actions  

Though I didn't say so

I think we under utilized Washington and hope to see more of him.

What I hear you saying is you would like someone who runs with wiggle/elusiveness/agility to complement Washington and Lynch?

by Charlie Todaro on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It seemed like Lynch proved his worth every game when he was getting a breather

Washington just didn’t seem capable of making the first guy miss. Without Lynch in our lineup we seemed vulnerable to an aggressive defense, whether we ran or passed. I would love to get Trent Richardson to augment the toughness of our running game.

by chris79 on Feb 13, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No I definitely think he has good moves skills.

Their impact is rather diminished by the style, though. Actually I should say his style’s value & impact is often diminished by the moves, as he often shakes around too much unnecessarily. Despite that gif from the Ravens game, it doesn’t happen very much for whatever reason. I think you understood me just fine, what I was saying. I do recognize the skills Marshawn has and a complimentary back isn’t always going to provide skills a feature back substantially lacks, but it’s what I think would serve as the best change-of-pace.

Head of catering.

by jacobstevens on Feb 14, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It's ironic that I had to read for 10 minutes to get to 12 short thoughts

Maybe you could write two articles next time so I’ll have twice the enjoyment? But seriously – thanks for writing!

Lynch didn’t play well toward the end of the year. No big punt returns, but also no fumbles. I don’t see him as a main back, we really need someone that can catch the ball and make yardage.

San Frans Hunter was an effective change of back to Gore, he is really quick.

It would be a tough choice between Richardson and Coples/Upshaw. But I think Richardson would be more of a game changer. And PC will probably find some defensive talent in the second and third round.

We have so many needs that you have to look at it from a two year draft perspective.

by AlaskaHawk on Feb 13, 2012 4:54 PM PST reply actions  

Leon,you mean.

I see no other reason for Leon’s ineffectiveness beyond his absence from the field.

by bewrong on Feb 13, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes I meant Leon

I love Marshawn’s tough running style. It motivates the whole team. Even more important is that he didn’t fumble. I can’t imagine how hard it is to run up the middle time after time and hold onto that ball. Kudos to Marshawn. Unfortunately Forset who I’ve love the last two years was non-existent this year. And LEON faded at the end of the season. Maybe it was just good punt coverage, I don’t know. San Fran is a tough team. But that game was winnable if we just could have made a couple great plays. Which goes back to having some wide receivers that can get open. We need a few new players in that position too.

by AlaskaHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well in all fairness Forsett scored a TD.

As for the Seahawks, they shall have stars at elbow and foot...Though they sink through the sea they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion.

by Cheddar28 on Feb 14, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Moruskell guys, I think the term is now obsolete. Tru, Hill, Hawthorne, Carlson, and Forsett now have two years as PCJS guys. Maybe PCJS didn’t pick them from the outside, but they picked them to stick around. They’ll be evaluated on their potential, not on who brung ’em.

That said, Tru’s back situation is clearly chronic. He might be done. Forsett didn’t get it going in 2011 and is unlikely to be re-signed. PCJS wants more speed on the defensive edge, so I guess that Hill is gone but Hawthorne stays. With Carlson’s low numbers in 2010 and injury in 2011, he’ll be inexpensive to retain and PC/JS really wanted to see him in tandem with Miller. I expect Carlson to stay. But all this has to do with potential, not lineage.

If I’m right, we need a corner, a running back, and a Will LB just to stay even. Add a DT/DE and a safety to back up EarlKam and you’ve got your first five rounds (not necessarily in that order.)

Then there’s CW. Depending on how Portis looks, it’s bye bye Charlie. Unless we pick up Manning, there’s your sixth round pick.

So… who will the FA QBs be a year from now? Given that JS doesn’t want to panic, and given that we don’t expect a top ten draft pick next year (i.e. Barkley), it’s the potential FA QBs next year that will define how urgent the QB situation really is.

by Jon Fairhurst on Feb 13, 2012 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

A friendly reminder: please use the subject line.

With that said, this is what I think about the 6 guys you listed:

Tru – Barring any miracle, he would be cut or at least have most if not all of his contract restructured to league minimum.

Hill – A cheap, short term deal, probably 1 year. If Hawthorne leaves, then he will definitely be resigned.

Hawthorne – No doubt he is the third highest priority behind Beast and Red. Might expect a Mebane type resigning?

Carlson – Sleeper here; definitely would be resigned for the cheap, probably incentive-laden deal

Forsett – Will be let go, unless they can get any value for Washington

As for CW, the writing’s on the wall.

And I agree with you about our QB situation – It doesn’t really look that good, huh? Manning is probably a long shot, as is Flynn, and Luck/Griffin is out of the question. I think a trade is more likely in order, and I won’t be surprised if PC does pursuit his former QB’s, notably Matt Leinart or Mark Sanchez.

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by EequalsMc2 on Feb 13, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hawthorne for Mebane money? $25 million over 5 years with $12 guaranteed?

what are you seeing that I’m not? To me, Hawthorne looked prototypically average, very solid, but average. With the questions about his knee and speed, at best he should be a $2 million a year guy maybe with a million signing bonus. I agree that we keep Hill or Hawthorne, maybe both if we can keep them both for under $3.5 million combined.

Leinert is a total mess at a QB. He may be smart, but he cannot throw the ball – he’s as bad as Gabbert was this year. Did you see the 13 passes he threw at Jacksonville this year? I was watching the game intently trying to assess his and AJs value in fantasy football. Atrocious noodle arm. 10 completions for 57 yards, his 4.4ypa is 66% of Jackson’s. 3 of his completions should have been easy interceptions, and he was incredibly lucky that they were dropped or deflected to the receiver for a completion.

Sanchez is interesting to think about, but I think Ryan is too stubborn to give up on him. I think Josh Johnson might be the most likely FA the Hawks go after, and there is some grumbling about Hoyer even though neither of them has proven themselves at all.

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Feb 13, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Johnson and Hoyer

Hmmm…

Kirk Cousins backed up Hoyer. Hmmm…

by Charlie Todaro on Feb 13, 2012 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Linebackers typically make more than D-Line.

And you can certainly make the case for 5 million a year for him, given his age and stats. I’m not saying that we want to pay him as much as Mebane, but the market (especially with a lot of defenses converting to 4-3) may see him as a better option.

On Leinart – I’m not convinced as well, but PC was heavily pursuing him last year akin to “our” Tarvaris Jackson. Wait and see here.

On Sanchez – Rob Stanton wrote an interesting piece about him in his blog, and definitely the New York Media/fans just might force him to be traded. I think he has a chance to really succeed in a environment like Seattle.

I haven’t seen enough Josh Johnson to make certain judgements, so I’ll let you explain why you think we should get him.

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by EequalsMc2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

we were told PC was heavily pursuing Leinert, but maybe he was only offering him Charlie's spot

or maybe it was rumor or misdirection.

As far as Josh Johnson and Hoyer, I really haven’t seen enough to make judgements either. I think as far as FA QBs go, I have the feeling the FO would go after dark horse candidates to continue with the low cost, low risk contracts that we have seen with Tarvaris and Charlie, unless they could land a sure fire success like Brees or a healthy Manning. We will never really know how actively they pursued Kolb or Leinert, or even Matt.

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I see Hawthorne as a lower priority than Hill.

He’s never been more than replacement-level in my eyes, and now he’s falling apart.

by bewrong on Feb 13, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think they really want to move Hawthorne back to the outside spots, where he thrives.

Let Hill walk and draft a new MLB or hopefully let Malcolm Smith do his thing next year.

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by EequalsMc2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

He's better on the outside, yes.

If he needs more knee surgery, however…

by bewrong on Feb 13, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If they draft Upshaw and one other LB

Then Hawthorne and Hill will both be backups. I don’t see any of our LBs as being worth more than 2 million a year. There are a ton of LBs graduating every year, we can find one like KJ that will play as well as what we got.

by AlaskaHawk on Feb 13, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Tooo sloowww...

He can play some WLB, but less so with every ding, since he never was fast. I think if Hill doesn’t resign, they give that spot to Malc Smitty.

I like Heater’s instincts, but they also have KJ Wright, who’s also “instinctive”. They need guys who are fast and instinctive. If Heater signs a 1-3 year cap-friendly deal, he stays. No way would he get a Mebane deal.

by PerryCollective on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Im telling you, about Sanchez

The grass is NOT greener.
I dont see the Hawks changing horse midstream, unless they get a prized horse.Thell bring in guys to compete, but bringing in old mares and glue horses(mostly what is available)

by Oliudyen on Feb 14, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Not saying it is greener...

but was responding to the comment above while (privately) thinking about the decent discussion of the possibility on seahawksdraftblog.com a week or so ago, by either Rob or Kip. Obviously he comes with known limitations and drawbacks, but he was made to start as a rookie, and has been in an awfully questionable coaching situation and media environment which you can’t really expect a 20 year old to handle particularly well. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the seasoning he has had the past few seasons changed his perspective and approach to the game. I’m sure the FO has considered the possibility, even if that meant dismissing it after 60 seconds of discussion.

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Feb 14, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Dued, this ain't midstream.

It’s the off season.

I’ll eat my hat if they don’t bring in a starter level QB or draft a rookie with starter potential.

TJ’s deal is up at the end of next season, they’d be talking extension if they had any intention of him being the starting QB for the entirety of next season.

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by hazbro24 on Feb 14, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I can see re-signing those guys most of us seeing re-signed, but as far as the draft...

…I will make no attempts to call.

Two years ago I liked Earl at 14, and Kam later, but didn’t think Okung would make it to Seattle’s pick (thanks Washington!)

Last year, I was surprised every pick. I expect the same this year. I like DeCastro at 11/12, I can see trading down, or Richardson if he falls, or Brockers or Upshaw or trading down…in other words, I have no idea.

As for QBs, if they take Tannehill at 11/12, that means he was worth it and I will get excited. More likely, I see them taking Cousins i the 2nd or 3rd.

Do they go after Williams in FA? Manning? I can’t see them signing Flynn – cost too much for too little. No other FA QBs worth considering.

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by Hawksince77 on Feb 13, 2012 5:43 PM PST reply actions  

I can't see the Hawks pulling the trigger on DeCastro UNLESS everyone is off the board.

Three O-Lineman drafted in the first round for 3 years straight is a bit too much IMO.

"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff

by EequalsMc2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

At worst, he's a good backup.

I think the line’s improvement this year can be partially attributed to his presence.

"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff

by EequalsMc2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Why it could be DeCastro

1) This regime likes to pick big guys with their top pick
B) Luck, RGIII, Richardson, Brockers, and Coples are likely above him on the board but could all be gone
iii) A dominant LG changes an offensive line and an offense, or has everyone really forgotten? Yes, DeCastro is better known for his tech than his power and he played RG in college but still, it’s easier to hit the weight room than learn technique.
d) If you can’t draft Richardson, build a line that will make it so anyone who plays QB or RB will look like all-stars
5) Devon Still would be a backup rotational guy while DeCastro would make Gallery a great backup

They may want to drop back in the draft and take Tannehill or Hightower, but if DeCastro is the best guy left on their board at 11/12, he will be the pick and start for 10 years in an extremely strong unit. I doubt it would look like a blunder five years from now.

by Garon Galloway on Feb 13, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

To me it's about draft value...

…almost regardless of position. (The exception being drafting an elite player who can’t play because you already have an elite player at that positon – in the case of the Seahawks, you wouldn’t draft a free safety in the first).

In the case of DeCastro, he starts day one and makes the last piece of a young, potentially elite offensive line (arguably the most important UNIT in the game). Makes the QB and RB look great, and by extention, the TEs and WRs.

Richardson is more of a dilemma, because drafting him pairs him with your starting RB, and at best, they split carries. Where DeCastro plays every offensive snap, and contributes every offensive snap, not so Richardson.

Even worse is the case of drafting a WR (somebody below wants Blackman). To me, I don’t see using the first round on WR (or TE). I think those positions are stacked, and drafting one guy means releasing a very good player. For those who think Seattle WRs are less than competent, I would point to the man throwing the ball to them (or in most cases, NOT throwing the ball to them).

On defense, the best value in the first is the D-line. LB is a need, but do we need to spend that high of a pick on one?

If they grade a player available at 11/12 as an elite pass-rusher or LB, than that would be good value. I am just having trouble seeing who that would be. Would they be a starter? Rotational?

The other possibility is trading up for RGIII. If they can swing that, I think we could get excited…

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by Hawksince77 on Feb 14, 2012 7:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, Gallery has no more guaranteed money on his contract, and cost us no draft capital

The team can cut him anytime with no cost to the team. It was a pretty savvy contract by the Hawks FO…

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by pqlqi on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Depth

You can set your watch by the fact that we will lose an O-lineman to injuries during the season. If you could bring in a young player that would make Gallery a backup, you would have great depth. As free agency and the draft pan out, it may not be the best move but it is definitely one to consider seriously.

by Garon Galloway on Feb 14, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree. I think we are paying Gallery more than

his performance dictated at the beginning of the season, but after the bye week, he looked a solid in pass blocking and very good in run blocking. I doubt DeCastro could come in and displace Gallery in the first year, but Gallery is also a potential salary cap sacrifice the team could make. I cannot imagine the team paying 5 million to Gallery and shelving him as depth from week 1 – especially when you can have depth like Breno for 2 million per.

Smashmouth is the new sexy!

by pqlqi on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Role players in FA, resign in house & use draft.

I don’t think a big splash FA is the best option at this point. We need more than what we have in draft picks for depth etc, but I think some issues could be resolved without too much being spent in FA, taking care of our own FAs is key (Lynch, Hawthorne and Bryant).

What about Pat Sims FA DT from the Bengals? He had 5 sacks and could be on rotation to give the pass rushing from inside we need? Or teammate of Sims, Jonathan Fanene he’s 30 but can slide from DE and DT and give a pass rush (6 sacks this year), short term option that adds depth…

Pass rushing DE, WLB, RB & QB can be taken care of within first 4 rounds of the draft… (WR depth and back-up safety to round out 6th and 7th round?) I do think Schneider pegged it right when he said this draft and 2013 and we’ll be where we need/want to be… I couldn’t agree more.

A draft of say: Richardson RB, Andre Branch DE, Sean Spence OLB… if you can make that happen would be great. Anyway, just throwing that out there.

by tarryhawk on Feb 13, 2012 7:13 PM PST reply actions  

There's no reason not to spend big in free agency this year.

Resigning all our free agents (even the ones we don’t want) and paying our picks would still leave us well below the floor.

by bewrong on Feb 13, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

True. Especially since the FA and Draft class for DL is quite deep this year.

I have no problem giving 60 million to Mario Williams, Cliff Avirl or Calais Campbell. But it would be even better if that money was well spent on Manning or Flynn.

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by EequalsMc2 on Feb 13, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

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by HawkO'War on Feb 14, 2012 12:16 AM PST reply actions  

I think we will draft tannehill this year

And stash him as our first round pick. His interview and football iq is key and we wont know the imterview outcome until draft day.

I really like our draft position in the first round becuase theres going to be a draft steal at our position if tannehill us gone. That opens up trade talks and extra picks. We have no depth especially on the defense side of the ball.

I really really want an young elite de/dt or two that forced three and out consistently followed by a pound it rotating runningback crew. I really enjoyed the aggressive nature our oline ran tje ball especially the rookies right before they got hurt.

by genax on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Tannehill

Although I don’t share your thoughts on Tannehill, especially in 1st round. If he’s there in the 2nd then ok, but someone will reach for him… I don’t think we will.

Our draft position is key only if Trent Richardson or Justin Blackmon fall to 11/12, I would prefer us drafting Richardson if he is there, but it might also be good for us to deal the pick away, due to the amount of return we’ll get (Could get 2 firsts and 3rd or 4th).

Mark Ingram is at the top of my wish list for DE and at RB, Ronnie Hillman of San Diego State is a good receiving RB and man can he move. If he’s there in round 3, we should snag him to compliment Beast Mode.

by tarryhawk on Feb 14, 2012 4:49 AM PST reply actions  

True

“Hey, Lynch, your Beastquake rocked my world!” It’s actually pretty easy to compliment Marshawn Lynch.

Complementing him, on the other hand…

by Buster! on Feb 14, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Forsett and Washington haven't done a great job spelling him.

So I guess I disagree.

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by Nick Andron on Feb 14, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I had some expectations that Washington would see a role as a receiver

After seeing Chester Taylor catch 40+ in 3 of 4 years with Bevell, and given Washington’s history as a receiver catching 25+ and rising (high of 47) in his 3 healthy years in NY.

He’s caught 20 balls as a Seahawk (including playoffs). I acknowledge Taylor was a savvy, reliable vet and that Washington is the return man, but I’d like to see Washington involved a bit more as a receiver to see what he can/can’t do. Especially if Forsett isn’t around.

by Charlie Todaro on Feb 14, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Running back receiving skills transferring to Seattle isn't quite like

Safeco Field being where good hitters go to die, but the conversion rate’s still something like $0.61.

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by jacobstevens on Feb 15, 2012 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

My two cents

Sign carlson to pair with Miller. McQuistan for reliable depth. Marshawn and Robinson should be no brainers.

Alot of speculation that i like is moving KJ Wright to MLB, If this is done, then resign Hawthorne or Hill, i would prefer Hill though on the Weakside (I think thats where he was before last year, i could have it backwards) and draft a Strongside linebacker or put Malcolm there if he does well and earn the spot.

Draft Brockers or Uphaw if they are available in the 1st
Cousins or Polk in the 2nd (would prefer Polk, if we can get a decent QB prospect in the 3rd)
The rest of the draft for depth

Sign Williams or Avril.

If this happened, our defense would be monstrous, and it seems a feasible thing to do given cap room and such.

Enter the 37th chamber: BEASTMODE

by RunMarshawnRun on Feb 14, 2012 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

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