Skirting the Edge of Depth (Death)
Two years ago Pete Carroll and John Schneider inherited an aging team weak with talent. The Seahawks had a combined nine wins over the past two seasons and their momentum was continuing downward. There were several quality youngish players on the roster but the overall talent level was embarrassingly thin. In 2010 Pete and the gang stopped the downward momentum. In 2011 they propelled it upward.
The influx of young talent has been nothing short of remarkable. Seattle played it's best football toward the end of 2011 despite losing multiple high-investment starters from three separate position groups.
Russell Okung, James Carpenter, and John Moffitt combine for 2535 draft trade value points according to their pick positions, just a Walter Thurmond short of theoretically acquiring the second pick in the draft. Sidney Rice, Mike Williams, and Marcus Trufant ate over $10 million in cap space for 2011. All of them finished the season on IR.
Yet the Seahawks continued to improve. Breno Giacomini, Lemuel Jeanpierre, Paul McQuistan, Doug Balwin, Golden Tate, and Richard Sherman all stepped up. The depth required to effectively absorb so many losses just wasn't possible in the Ruskell era. The churn system seems to be working wonderfully.
We know better than to think our team is fat and healthy in the wilderness of the NFL though. Linebacker is maybe the only other position group which could have lost multiple starter without the offense/defense suffering some type of collapse. Our ribs are still showing.
The Seahawks are on the upswing but it's worth noting just how perilous the realization of that title has been. We cannot expect to be so lucky with injuries as we were in 2011. Forget about losing multiple starters, losing just one of the following players would have been devastating for us last season.
QB - Tarvaris Jackson: As mediocre as Jackson was, we saw how much worse it could have been if that pectoral tear had required surgery. The Charlie Whitehurst experiment has failed. He is still a third string quarterback and may be playing in the AFL before too long.
Finding an eventual franchise QB is the primary concern but this guy could be needed sooner than later. Jackson might be a suitable stop gap but health issues make him an unreliable one. Do we pass on projects like Ryan Tannehill or Brock Osweiller since we know they may be forced into action in 2012? Has Josh Portis progressed enough to be relied upon as our back-up QB?
RB - Marshawn Lynch: Marshawn should be back next season and will of course be the starter if he is. His beastly running style has given our offense a much needed identity. But physical running backs are always injury prone, whether they know it yet or not. So far he's toughed it out but the questions about his back are concerning. Justin Forsett had a disappointing season and probably won't be back in 2012.
Leon Washington is a valuable piece but he can't handle the bulk of the carries. Would we retain our physical identity with UFA Vai Taua or recent Future Reserves signing Tyrell Sutton starting? Will we value backs like Doug Martin and Chris Polk, who seem better equipped for a full load, over backs like David Wilson and Lamar Miller, who are maybe more talented and possibly a better compliment to Marshawn's power?
LEO - Chris Clemons: Without Clemons we are down with the Bucs as the worst pass rushing teams in the league. We have been extremely fortunate with Clemons' health and consistency. Over the past two years he has played more snaps on defense than any other player besides Earl Thomas and I know that without even double checking. Clemons is over 30 now and cannot be relied upon for so many snaps every season.
Raheem Brock would have been a suitable fill-in in 2010 but he regressed dramatically in 2011. Dexter Davis gives us a little flexibility but is undersized and not ideal to start. How will our vision for the LEO position affect the grades we give Quinton Coples, Courtney Upshaw, and Melvin Ingram, since none are a clean fit for the position as it stands today? Will we sign a free agent or spend another draft pick on a more typical LEO fit?
FS - Earl Thomas: This is the depth concern which I feel deserves a lot more attention. Thomas is the key to our defense. Without him we would be forced into a lot more cover-2 and our defense would become so vanilla that you could say something witty about there being a lot of vanilla (if vanilla wasn't so boring and impossible to be witty with). Thomas can be reckless and is very physical. Given his small stature, there's ample reason to worry about injuries.
It's tough to imagine us going deep into the playoffs without ET but being capable of scrapping out some wins during a mid-season injury should be an attainable goal. Could Chris Maragos or Jeron Johnson keep our defense functioning? How much money or draft capital are we willing to commit to this insurance policy?
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We all knew the importance the past two off-seasons and for the most part Pete and John have delivered. But this off-season doesn't feel any less essential. The next step is often where teams struggle. As the core of the roster is established, it becomes less likely that the BPA in the draft will be at a position of need. How will our front office adjust to this transition? Will we start seeing neglected positions? Misguided reaches? Both?
I have confidence in Pete Carroll and his conscience, John Schneider, but their ability to find talented depth will continue to be tested in the coming months. A lackluster draft class and some unfortunate injuries could easily leave Seattle back at square one entering 2013. The Carroll era is off to a strong start but the edge of depth is still too close for comfort.
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The Running Back Dilemma
The dilemma I have been having is whether to draft depth for Marshawn Lynch or a future replacement for Leon Washington. There are a few decent power backs in the draft that I think we would could grab (like Chris Polk) that could do a fine job of backing up Marshawn Lynch.
However, what happens if Leon goes down. We are in the same predicament. I think LaMichael James would be a nice successor to Leon Washington in Special teams and as a change of pace back, but this would leave us without an extra power back.
I don’t think the team is going to draft both. I think we need a back-up to Marshawn more, but Leon Washington will be 30 when the season starts. Could we carry five backs this upcoming season? I think we may have no choice if we want to have a fullback and two insurance policies.
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by Anthony Herness on Feb 18, 2012 9:34 AM PST reply actions
Im in this boat,
I would love to draft Polk (hopefully in the second round if he is there) as Marshawn’s back up and eventual successor. As for Leon, yeah he is 30, but i think he has more time left in him because he has a more limited role (returner/3rd down back) and isnt wearing his body down so much.
As for LEO, I think PC/JS possibly draft a project for Clemons to mentor somewhere in day 2 on the draft. or next year to draft a LEO beast in the first (no clue if there will be any or not tho)
QB I hope for Round 3 or if Osweiler is there or someone PC/JS love in round 2
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by RunMarshawnRun on Feb 18, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
I can't remember where, but I was reading that Polk is sliding down draft boards.
I would be much more interested in signing him in the 3rd because, as you say, there is going to be value to be found in the second round as far as pass rushers go. Perhaps Andre Branch from Clemson falls to our second pick? Or Chandler Jones(?) from can’t remember…
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
Free agency is the key
We have been successful finding guys that don’t fit others teams system and plugging them into our roster. I believe John Schneider will continue to find guys like Clemons, Browner and Lynch thru either trades or free agency, Churning the roster is working. It isn’t just the draft we need to look at. The draft is the last stop after we have culled thru all of the FA options. QB and DE are positions of need that we can address with our sizeable cap space. Once those spots are filled we can go BPA in the draft.
What FA QB would you bring in
Campbell is the only one that I have thought of that makes any sense. See if he or TJ wins the competition.
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I actually wrote Danny Kelly an email last night saying that he should write an article looking into signing Campbell.
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
Jason Campbell?
Geez our QB situation is desperate.
Jason Campbell is Different
but is not actually better than TJ, they are both pretty average QBs. Campbell is two years older than TJ and might be less durable, considering his last two years.
Orton is in the same boat.
Honestly, I would rather see a QBotF start to be preened than see another older QB who may do slightly better or could whole lot worse.
Its the third year in the rebuild, this is the year to get your QBotF, in draft, free agency or trade.
We probably will get both
Draft one and sign one
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Sure
If he hasn’t shown enough improvement
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Really? If you know something we don't (other than he made the roster all 2011) let us know...
…because as far as I have been able to determine, Portis remains a complete mystery.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Apparently I do
He is a developmental QB who almost no one else wanted. He is an athlete with a very troubled past. If he doesn’t develop and show improvement he will be cut. That’s not a mystery. Weather he develops or not is a mystery. What will happen if he doesn’t is not a mystery.
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My question had to do with what we knew about Portis in the pre-season...
…and to what extent he as developed (or not) by the end of it. So perhaps I misunderstood your comment.
Of course he will be cut if he doesn’t develop – that’s not the mystery. What I haven’t heard anywhere is what PC/JS think of him now. Will be be in training camp this year? Don’t know. If he is in training camp, what are his prospects for competing for a spot on the roster? Don’t know. Does PC see Portis as a viable #2 in 2012? Don’t know.
Year before last, PC raved about how well Butler had progressed from the beginning the camp until the end. This year he spoke highly of Thomas’s development between this year and last. He has made equivicol comments on TJax. He expressed a desire to re-sign Carlson.
Nothing about CW (we all assume he’s gone). Nothing on Portis (that I know of). If anyone has heard anything about Portis, I’d love to hear it.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
by Hawksince77 on Feb 19, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Pete mentioned portis in his end of the year presser
Said they wanted to beef him up a little in the offseason, get him closer to 215-220, as oppose to 205-210 or whatever he is. So hes at least in their plans to head in to camp.
Cool, thanks, I missed that. That is a good sign.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Matt Flynn
IMO, the will make a strong move for Flynn. If they miss on Flynn they will go after Mario Williams. We probably cannot afford both. Avril is another possibility. If they miss on Flynn they probaly pick Tannehill or Foles in the draft.
I don't think Flynn fits what they are looking for - doesn't have a good enough arm...
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Are they looking for strong-armed QB's?
I thought it was the opposite…
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Weak armed QB wanted?
We should have kept Hasselbeck then.
I am kidding, it was a joke.
by Aztecs on Feb 19, 2012 6:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That was my impression - mobile, big-armed QBs - thus CW and TJax...
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
The QBs we've looked at have big arms and can extend the play
Our offense is based on ball-control punctuated by big down-field plays.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 19, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
In his recent interview, Schneider said he likes a "smart, accuarte and poised QB"
And Pete’s track record with his QB’s at USC (Leinart, Sanchez, etc.) never really had arm strength as a plus either. We know that our offense is built on opening up the passing game with the QB, but do you really only have to do it with a big-armed guy, or a smart/accurate one?
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I definitely feel like the T-Jax acquisition was forced.
And Charlie…well I don’t know about that…
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Losman and Portis, too
Both are athletic players with big arms.
I think ball security is key to this FO but I think the ability to make big plays is more important than the ability to throw into tight windows (as in a traditional WCO).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 19, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
They didn't have Hasselbeck - he was a FA and on his way out...
…and they didn’t sign TJax until Hasselbeck was effectively gone. And they couldn’t have made it work without overpaying for an aging mediocre QB with a weak arm.
Although in hindsight Hasselbeck would have possible won more games (or alternatively died on the field playinig behind the early-season Seahawk o-line).
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Sure, but that doesn't mean they were forced to sign TJack.
The original question was about what kind of quarterback the FO was looking for.
But more importantly,
who they’ve brought in so far doesn’t mean that’s specifically what they want or that the Carroll Trojan QB profile is specifically not what they want.
Head of catering.
by jacobstevens on Feb 23, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Very true. FA needs to start already!
So many scenarios can pan out before draft day once FA starts. I’m hoping we do well again in FA and i think we will.
One thing to bring up about FA, I saw the coffee and cigs post about Avril costing as much as 11-12 mil (though that was said by someone commenting on the story). Can the Hawks afford that? It would be nice if they did, then we could focus more on a linebacker and QB in the draft
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by RunMarshawnRun on Feb 18, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
FS backup needed?
Seems to me, one of the Seahawk draft needs is a good backup free safety. The preference for height, toughness, speed, instincts and press coverage abilities has led me to a player that I think fits the bill very well and he should be available in the 6-th or 7-th round of the draft.
--S Winston Guy Jr., 6-1, 210, 4.57/40, Kentucky, Projected Rd-6 or 7. (sleeper alert)
Has some upside at the position, as he can tackle, displays solid range in space and above-average instincts in all areas of the game. Should be a heck of a special teams player early and looks like a guy who eventually can fight for playing time.
Has good size and is a hard hitter who had over 100 tackles last fall; runs extremely well for a SS; was a state 100M champion in high school and reportedly has run as low as 4.35 for the 40;
Doesn’t play quite as fast and is a little stiff, but can outrun mistakes; played both CB and FS before settling in at SS, but isn’t that instinctive in coverage, although he did have three picks last season; Has been a good blitzer in the past; also a good special teamer who has been dangerous as a KO returner.
" 2011 Season Stats: 120 Tackles, 14.0 TFL, 1.5 Sack, 2 INT, 2 PBU, 2 QBH, Fumble Forced, Fumble Recovered. http://realsportshype.com
Jim Q.
by CamanoIslandJQ on Feb 18, 2012 11:08 AM PST reply actions
Honestly
Unless you are at every practice im not sure you can say we need a back up.
For all we know one of the back ups we have is really good, but not enough to really push an excellent FS like Thomas.
Earl isnt just a good free safety on a good defense, he is an exceptional FS on a top 10 defense. those guys dont get breathers.
I think we will fix most of those issues with the draft
My only question is how are we going to get a real 3tech. All we have right now is depth, not the actual starter. It might not be as big as getting the QBOTF, but it might be the key to taking our D to the elite level.
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Can Brockers play 3 tech?
In another post above i mentioned signing Avril. If we drafted Brockers that would be a montrous front 4!
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by RunMarshawnRun on Feb 18, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Signing Williams and Manning...
…would potentially fill the top two needs (pass rush and QB). That would leave the draft just about wide open to taking the BPA.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: Osweiler/David/Iloka
3rd: Cousins/Irvin/Polk
Money...
We probably would not have the money to do both of these deals, though it would be nice. Mario Williams would be a much better get than Peyton, unless Peyton is 100% healthy.
We really can't afford Manning unless he accepts a incentive-laden deal.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Manning has stated that he expects nothing less - he won't get guaranteed money, and he knows it...
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: Osweiler/David/Iloka
3rd: Cousins/Irvin/Polk
Incentive laden contract
Still applies towards the cap when all is said and done, either this year or next.
Right.
And that really works to our advantaged because by then Clemons, Branch and Jackson’s contracts run out.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Those three contracts...
Combined are around $15M, maybe a little more depending on incentives. In my opinion, there is no way Manning signs a contract that will pay him less than the 3 of those together when Manning’s incentives are included. So, we still need additional cap space to roll those incentives into.
Add Charlie's contract in there....
How much of his is guaranteed? Isn’t it in the 6 mil range? I’m assuming he’s gone, yes?
restructuring Trufant (should happen anyway) and cutting Jackson (save 4mil right there)...
…will help cover the cost of Manning.
Draft a QB (Tannehill/Brockweiler/Cousins), sign Manning, keep Portis. That allows your QBotF a year or two on the bench (none of these guys outside of Luck is ready to start), provides competition at the 2/3 spot (you might also draft Wilson late, no matter what), and ensures Seattle has a competitive team for the next two years.
As for pass rush, sign Williams (ideal), draft Brockers/Ingram/Irvin.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: Osweiler/David/Iloka
3rd: Cousins/Irvin/Polk
Why cut TJax?
He is only making $4M a year. That is very little for someone that would be a backup and very likely pressed into service.
by Aztecs on Feb 19, 2012 6:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Because he won't make a good back-up...
…and what he makes will help pay for Manning (in this scenario). You only keep 3 QBs – that would be Manning (your starter), Tannehill/Cousins/Wilson your future guy, and Portis as the developmental guy.
In that situation, TJax is gone.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
The point is that TJ would be a competent back up, compared to the others
He was a good enough backup in Minn, why wouldn’t you think he would be here?
Do you know something the rest of us don’t know?
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He gets pouty when he's not the starter, remember?
He only performs when his coaches coddle him.
I don't remember that at all
I thought he handled the minn situation as well as one could, when they are being treated like shit.
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by stufr on Feb 19, 2012 10:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
TJax will be in Seattle next year
if only because PC/JS have said he will be. It sends a bad message to your team when you let the guy be the team captain one year and you cut him the next. The move would reek of desperation and that isn’t how the PC/JS front office has worked the past two years. It also goes against the always compete mantra, as in you didn’t give TJax a chance to compete without cutting him.
Even is Manning was brought in, you keep TJax, Portis and still draft a QB. The number 3 QB is where the competition would be.
That makes perfect sense...
…but we have seen PC allow popular players to walk (Hasselbeck) and he has cut franchise guys like Tatupu, and traded fan favorites (Wilson) and traded top picks for almost nothing (Curry).
So even if TJax comes to camp (likely), if PC likes his other guys better, I believe he will cut TJax without a second thought. That’s one of the things that makes this franchise competitive.
He will only keep TJax if he thinks he is one of his best options at QB. Last year with Portis and CW, it made sense (for some of us, in hindsight). But if PC makes over the position like many of us want, why keep a guy with no more upside when he won’t ever be the starter again?
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
by Hawksince77 on Feb 19, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Franchise player versus popular player
Your post interchanges the two, whereas in my opinion that is not the case. To me, a franchise guy is someone essential and irreplaceable in the success of the team. Right now, on defense, that would describe ET as he represents a relatively unique set of abilities that is difficult to replace. Popular players are able to be replaced (Hasselbeck and Wilson) with a minimal drop off.
On the flip side, Tatapu was not a franchise guy when he was cut (not even close). In hindsight, Wilson was a poor fit for what they wanted out of CB’s, but most of us really didn’t understand what exactly they wanted to do in the secondary.
While TJax could be cut, there would have to be either a cheaper yet equally capable alternative or maybe better alternative for slightly more money. I don’t think they will find that combination of ability and low $ in a FA, but I could be wrong. I see the cut QB being Portis, especially if we draft a developmental QB like Osweiler.
As to Curry, the move PC/JS made on him was brilliant in that they unloaded a high salary, poor fit player they would likely have cut at the end of the year anyways and still got something (a seventh-round pick in 2012 and a conditional mid-round pick in 2013) for him. Curry was not a PC/JS pick and so they had nothing tied to him. Moving Curry along is no different than any of the other moves PC/JS have made since they took over the team.
So we agree, TJax could be cut. He was a last-minute option last year...
…that never played above average, and many of us think he never will. Given draft and FA options, a full off-season, I think PC/JS find better options for the final 53.
Point is, PC will make decisions based on the players ability to fulfill a particular role. Last year, he needed a starting QB. Hasselbeck was gone, he didn’t want CW for that role (now we know why) and TJax was the best of a bunch of poor options.
This year is different. More options in the draft and FA than in the past. He doesn’t have to live with poor play at the position, like he was stuck with last year. And if I am right, he won’t.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
by Hawksince77 on Feb 19, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
No, we don't agree
If Manning is signed, QB group consists of Manning, TJax and most likely drafted QB with Portis released or on PS again.
Or, if Manning is signed and proves his restored ability prior to the final cut-down...
…then TJax is cut and the final three becomes:
1 – Manning
2/3 – Cousins/Portis
If Manning can’t play well enough at the final cut down, then the roster looks like:
1 – TJax
2 – Cousins/Portis
3 – Manning (PUP)
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Okay, do this little thought experiement:
If Seattle cuts Tjax at any point, who in the NFL signs him?
Not just as a starter, but even as a back-up. I challenge anyone to provide one credible NFL suiter for TJax as a FA.
You will read things like Ponder being traded in Minnisota drafts RGIII, or Kolb on the market if Manning goes to Arizona, but nowhere will you find anyone speculating on the landing spot of TJax if Manning goes to Seattle. And why is that? Because NOBODY WANTS HIM!
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
He would end up in some place like Cleveland or SF
Where he would be a competent backup.
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Cleveland will likely draft RGIII, with McCoy as the back-up...
…whereas in SF either Alex Smith will start backed up by Kaepernick (sp) or vice-versa.
Nice try, but not buying it. If TJax doesn’t play for Seattle in 2012, he doesn’t play NFL football (IMHO).
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
That's ridiculous.
TJack is a decent back up, there’s no reason to think otherwise. Anyone that can start an entire season without completely shitting the bed is going to get picked up somewhere. Off the top of my head I’d say Indy, Jacksonville, Tampa, Kansas City, Miami, the Jets, St Louis and Dallas could all use him as a back up or even starter in a couple desperate cases.
I will very comfortable say that from what I have seen
Your opinion of TJ is slanted so negatively that I don’t think it is possible for you to form a rational thought about him any longer. He is better than most backups in the league and all of the number three QBs. That is a fact. It doesn’t matter if you can’t see it.
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I agree completely.
He’s anywhere between the 17th and 35th best starter in the league, which puts him WELL into “credible backup” status.
He will have a long career in this league, however I doubt he will be an anointed and fulltime starter after next year, and Peyton would eliminate next year from the equation.
That being said, signing Peyton magnifies the need for a quality backup like TJax.
One more note— you don’t even make sense with this statement, Hawksince77:
Tannehill/Cousins/Wilson your future guy, and Portis as the developmental guy.
Can you explain to me the difference between “future guy” and “developmental guy” because to me THEY’RE THE SAME THING. And having two of those guys and no backup, with an injury risk as your starter, is just gambling on hope. NFL Front Offices, particularly ours, do not behave that way.
I've put away the whiskey and the chainsaw and gone responsible. I'd like to say "Danny Kelly made me do it!" but that would be a lie. I chose to shave, put on a suit and tie and pretend I'm more important than I really am...
by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 20, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
A couple possibilities: one, Williams states he isn't after the money - where he plays is more important (although...
…those comments were made with his desire to stay with the Texans). Second, even if Seattle signed Manning, they should still draft a QB (my preferences are in my signature). Third, Manning’s contract would be incentive-laden and possibly cap-friendly.
But you are right – Williams would be the real prize.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: Osweiler/David/Iloka
3rd: Cousins/Irvin/Polk
"It isn't about the money"
saying this almost invariably means it IS about the money, but you just won’t actually say that.
Sounds sincere to me. He was the number 1 overall pick just a few years ago, got a monster contract...
…and made specific comments about how Houston had everything they need. Doesn’t bode well for teams like Seattle (in that Williams sounds like he is trying to encourage a deal with his home team) but if they can’t make a deal, a real possibility, than perhaps Seattle has a chance.
Most of us believe Seattle has become a good place to play – an owner who will pay, a great practice facitlity, a super coach, and a team on the verge of going places. Of course, that could all be a fans blinders.
On the other hand, given PC’s reputation for playing the best player, a FA just looking to get paid may not find Seattle attractive, if he actually has to perform at a high level. Someone like Peyton wouldn’t expect anything less. And Williams strikes me as a professional as well, as opposed to players like V. Jackson and Desean Jackson and B. Marshall who have demonstrated their lack of professionalism a few times over.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: Osweiler/David/Iloka
3rd: Cousins/Irvin/Polk
this time of year, believe nothing
Williams does not want a tag. Hence, acting the part of wanting to stay.
by GnarlyHawk on Feb 18, 2012 10:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Houston cannot afford the tag. For a DE, the tag is 22 million
and Houston doesn’t have the cap room without cutting significant other players.
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Mario Williams franchise tag number
I thought the reason he counted as $22.9M for the tag from Houston was because of some other escalators in his case, not that the DE tag was worth that much.
by Aztecs on Feb 19, 2012 6:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't have a reference, but I have heard for houston to franchise tag him will cost 22 million
on sports radio mostly, but not really a solid source. My assumption was that was the DE franchise tag this year. As an UFA, I don’t think escalators etc are in play at all.
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Franchise tender Defensive end: $10.6 million
from NFL.com. Because Mario Williams was given a franchise tender the year prior, $22.9M is that the franchise tender for him as the offer also has to be 120% of his cap number for the prior year, if that amount (120%) is greater than the base tender of $10.6M. So, in Williams’ case because his cap number the prior year was about $19M, he is prohibitively expensive to retain.
The CBA has this in place to prevent the eternal use of the tag on one person and Houston did it to themselves by not working on a long term offer prior to last year. What is amazing is how high Williams’ tender would be whereas the actual highest tender is for any position is QB at only $14.4M!
Thanks, had no idea how that works. sounds dodgy
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
I don't see any reason to be concerned .
Guys get hurt and teams have contingency plans for when they do. I’m sure J.S. is on top of the situation. Sleep well friends.

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