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NFL Draft 2012: Quarterback Roundup

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For some reason, a lot of people seem interested in the quarterback class of 2012. This could be because, barring an investment in a free agent like Manning or Flynn, our QBOTF is coming from this class. Or it could be because we're terrified of viciously throwing a mostly empty bottle of whisky through the television during the draft over the Seahawks' persistent failure to draft a competent quarterback. Again. Wait, what? Just me? Let's move on.

For my own reference and amusement, I've been assembling a list of the prominent prospects coming out this year, along with their most recent annual stat line and a few short notes on each player. On the outside chance any of the rest of you might be interested in something like that, you'll find it below.

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College quarterbacks are getting better. (We know that Pete Carroll agrees with this thinking to some degree) A quick look at the class of 2011 tells us that despite strong doubts, many of them are more - and more quickly - prepared for the NFL than we imagined. Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, and to a lesser degree Jake Locker and Christian Ponder, have each enjoyed some measure of success, and we have yet to see extended looks at Colin Kaepernick or Ryan Mallett. Blaine Gabbert has been poor with a terrible supporting cast, but has also shown flashes, and has at least a little time to develop.

More than that, though, look at the total picture and see how many teams are really unhappy with their quarterback situation. The notion that "Good quarterbacks are in heavy demand" gets thrown around a lot, but I'd argue that sentiment is overstated. Miami, Washington, and Seattle, along with maybe Cleveland, Denver, and Arizona, are just about the only teams we can definitively say are unhappy with their quarterback situations.

Everyone else has a prospect in development they feel good about, or a starter they're happy with. (Indianapolis is a special case, especially after the recent and public breakup between Irsay and Peyton, but as they have a choice between Luck and Manning, we can hardly call them quarterback-needy) This isn't to say ANY team might not draft a quarterback - Rodgers is the classic example. The point is that average quarterback play today is objectively better than average quarterback play even three or four years ago, and the group of teams able to contend for a title may be widening in the modern era. A 'golden era' of quarterback play, if it's not too corny for you.

Add the guys coming out this year to the mix, and there's little doubt we'll be closer to that situation.

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Andrew Luck (6'4 / 235 / 3517yds / 71.3% / 8.71YPA / 37TD / 10INT): I hear this guy is okay at football.


Robert Griffin III (6'2 / 220 / 4293yds / 72.4% / 10.68YPA / 37TD / 6INT): Right now, a number of commentators on talk radio and the ESPN debate mouthpiece are trying to be controversial by arguing that Griffin is a better prospect than Luck. The sad thing is, this idea deserves more than attention-grabbing arguments from The Worldwide Leader.

On the field, Griffin is a truly unique combination of poise, accuracy, strength, athleticism, and good decision-making. Trying to compare him to any quarterback ever to play in the NFL is a fool's errand - we've never seen anyone like him. Off the field, Griffin is even more impressive: remarkably intelligent, a clear leader, respected and venerated by his coaches and peers.

There's a reason Griffin has exploded among scouts this year, a reason he took the nation by storm and won the Heisman, and a reason any team should be glad to have him. If you've ever seen Griffin in a radio or tv interview, you know that from a personality and charismatic standpoint he's one of the most impressive football players we've ever seen. This is a guy you want as the face of your franchise, a leader for the next fifteen years. More importantly, because of draft positioning and the potential trade avenue, Griffin will probably go to a team that has more talent around him than Luck will, leading to the strong possibility that he has a better career than Luck, especially at first.


Matt Barkley (6'2 / 220 / 3528yds / 69.1% / 7.91YPA / 39TD / 7INT):
...Just kidding. Sorry about that.


Ryan Tannehill (6'4 / 222 / 3744yds / 61.6% / 7.05YPA / 29TD / 15INT): Tannehill's stock has been the subject of extreme dissension and scrutiny over the last few months. First pegged as the likely #5 quarterback behind Luck, Barkley, Jones, and Griffin, Tannehill eventually slipped out of the first round due to a poor senior season. And now that Barkley and Jones are out of the picture, surprise! Everyone likes him a little bit more again. Yet there remains significant disagreement over whether Tannehill is worth a pick where he is likely go to - the upper half of the first round.

The real truth is that it's convenient how quickly people have forgotten this guy's background; Tannehill was a pure receiver during his first two years at Texas A&M, a 6'4-222 juggernaut with good speed. His conversion to quarterback has produced impressive results given the situation, and there can be little doubt that he'll continue to develop to some degree. That said, Tannehill is not ready to walk onto an NFL team and start next year. More than any player on this list, he would seem to need time.

The team willing to take that chance and be patient may find themselves with an amazingly talented player, or they may find that Tannehill never reaches the ceiling they hope. It's also possible Tannehill goes the way of a Josh Cribbs, Antwaan Randle-El, or Michael Robinson, finding another role in the NFL. As with the other quarterbacks on this list, only time will tell (in this case it may just take more than others).


Brandon Weeden (6'4 / 218 / 4727yds / 72.3% / 8.38YPA / 37TD / 13INT): Do me a favor and hold off on the Chris Weinke comparisons. This guy is special, and the fact that he's 28 should be an advantage, not a disadvantage. He might be the single most pro-ready quarterback in this entire draft. During the Fiesta Bowl, Weeden hung in against Luck and matched him throw for throw, eventually winning the game.

Yes, Weeden had Justin Blackmon - which definitely helps. But this only takes so much away from Weeden; Griffin has perhaps an even better receiver to throw to, no doubt helping his case to be a high draft pick, and we certainly don't penalize him for that. This guy has the look of a less creepy Ben Roethlisberger - a tall, very strong player who is difficult to bring down and has a good-enough arm. Weeden is a strong prospect with tremendous potential, who may unfortunately lack the mobility Carroll envisions in his offense.


Austin Davis (6'2 / 221 / 3496yds / 60.2% / 7.36YPA / 30TD / 11INT): Can you say underrated? Players from Conference USA don't usually get much national attention (although this is a guy that has been touted by Rob Staton over at Seahawks Draft Blog all year). As a graduate of a C-USA school, I have been in a position to catch the occasional C-USA game. If Aaron Rodgers is the prototype for a quarterback in 2012, Austin Davis is the first person to come out since Rodgers who closely approximates that mold.

His height, strength, mobility, and accuracy evoke instant visual and statistical comparisons to Rodgers. (This isn't to say Davis is anywhere close to Rodgers' talent level today, merely that they seem similar from a technique standpoint) His improvement over the last two years is impressive, and he has been the only driving force on a fantastic season for an otherwise unremarkable team. Davis is young (22), and could easily sit for a year or two and improve even more.

This kid could also explode during draft season to become that come-from-nowhere late first or early second round pick (though it's looking more and more like Osweiler will fit that bill); with bench time, he could go even further. Moreover, he fits exactly what the seahawks want to do. His mobility and accuracy make him a great fit for Pete Carroll's style, and there is no quarterback in this draft that intrigues me as much as Austin Davis, period.


Chandler Harnish (6'2 / 221 / 3216yds / 61.7% / 8.38YPA / 28TD / 6INT): An underrated four-year prospect out of Northern Illinois who will rise some as the draft gets closer, and like Davis, has been mentioned by Rob Stanton, who has posted some tape on Harnish. Harnish has been efficient and productive in a system with few weapons, albeit against second-tier competition.

This is hardly a mark against him; Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, and Joe Flacco are among the many recent examples of a small-school quarterback rising during draft season and making an early impact in the NFL. Harnish is among the most well-rounded prospects on this list, who is efficient in most facets of his game but has few "wow" moments. On the other hand, this seems to fit extremely well with what Pete Carroll seems to have in mind for a quarterback - an efficient game-manager who makes few mistakes and keeps the chains moving. Harnish is another interesting one to watch this draft season.


Kellen Moore (5'11.5 / 185 / 3800yds / 74.3% / 8.66YPA / 43TD / 9INT): Although listed at 6'1, realistically, Kellen Moore is probably no better than 5'11.5 / 185. People take shots at his arm and stature, comparing him to Chad Pennington on a good day, more Cade McNown upside than Drew Brees upside. Only time will tell how that plays out. However, for a so-called noodle-armed passer, Moore has more YPA than Barkley or Tannehill, on par with Luck.

He has demonstrated all-world accuracy and pocket awareness over a span of four years, and has improved over time. He is acknowledged as a disciplined and dedicated student of the game who puts football first. Yet he is viewed by many as a project, and for that reason may be available in later rounds. These facts in combination make Moore an extremely attractive low-risk prospect in my eyes; many will disagree. But scouting quarterbacks is a funny business. Moore may well be a bust in the NFL, but if the whole thing is that he's got this one fatal flaw that will doom his career (measureables), and it turns out he can overcome it, he's going to be a phenomenon at the next level.


Nick Foles (6'5 / 240 / 4334 / 69.1% / 7.74 YPA / 28TD / 14INT): The love-him-or-hate-him prospect of the year. While several professional scouts have criticized his performance over the course of a year in which Arizona went 4-8, Foles cannot shoulder the entire blame for that failure.

He has the size to impress most scouts, but his lack of mobility is definitely a red flag with respect to the Seahawks' desired offensive scheme. Ultimately, Foles is a prospect that some team may take a chance on based on his look as opposed to his production; such a decision would be uncharacteristic for the Seahawks FO based on recent history.


Kirk Cousins (6'3 / 205 / 3316yds / 63.7% / 7.9YPA / 25TD / 10 INT):
With reporters dropping hints all week that Cousins was the most impressive quarterback at the senior bowl practices, his stock has clearly been on the rise. Cousins is the sort of passer who looks good from most angles, with a solid combination of arm strength, size, and production. However, Cousins will not knock your socks off. His repoitoire screams "Good - not great."

He is less mobile than Davis or Harnish, has less arm strength than Tannehill or Osweiler, and is less accurate than Moore or Weeden. Yet Cousins' solid skillset might end up making him more than the sum of his parts. Suffice it to say, Cousins is someone it's easy to go either way on. If the Seahawks draft him, it's easy to be optimistic about his positives, but if they pass, it's just as easy to understand why.


Russell Wilson (5'11 / 201 / 3175yds / 72.8% / 10.28YPA / 33TD / 4INT): Three interceptions in thirteen games over the course of the regular season (another in a loss to Oregon in the Rose Bowl). I don't care who you are, that's impressive, and it's guaranteed that Schneider and Carroll have noticed. And doing it while throwing for 72.5% and 10.14 yards per attempt (both better than Luck) with 2879 yards and 31 touchdowns?

This guy is a hallmark of production. Did I mention he's also rushed for 5 touchdowns? You probably know the story on Russell Wilson. Wilson graduated from NC State in three years and took advantage of a limited exception in NCAA rules, allowing a first-year graduate student with one year of eligibility remaining to play football after enrolling in a graduate program not available at his undergraduate institution. Wilson's smarts and athleticism will bring him into this conversation at the highest levels despite his height, which like Kellen Moore's, is limited (5'11"). This may matter less for an athletic prospect like Wilson, who has been playing in the Colorado Rockies' minor league system. Having succeeded in two different programs and systems so quickly is strong evidence that he can learn a new one pretty fast.

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Several other quarterbacks have, and will continue to, merit mention and consideration from draftniks leading up to April. There are some interesting project quarterbacks on this list, but in my opinion none of them are worth serious consideration at this time.

Brock Osweiler (6'8 / 240 / 4036yds / 63.2% / 7.82YPA / 26TD / 13INT):
Brock Osweiler is a huge, system oriented, one-year-starter for an Arizona State team that went 6-7 and is coming into the draft off a five game losing streak. Based on his measureables and his arm strength, he will be a figure in scouting conversations in the upcoming months, and for that reason only he deserves a mention here.

Osweiler is the type of developmental prospect with tremendous potential that interests NFL front offices. Osweiler is also the type of player who has recently been drafted between the late first and third rounds a la Flacco, Freeman, Kolb, and Mallett, with the hope that he developes into the whole package. More than most players on this list, he represents a calculated investment that has a lot of potential to go up - or down. It bears mentioning that Carroll and Schneider have shied away from drafting a player with a similar - and superior - skillset already (Mallett), and they may do so again.

Personally, I don't think Osweiler has shown enough production or talent over a consistent period of time to merit consideration high in the draft, but his measureables will keep him in the conversation and will certainly get him drafted higher than some of the people above him on this list. He may turn into a starter at the next level, but he's probably not the 2012 starter that the Seahawks should be looking for at this time.

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Brock Osweiler

in the 2nd round, I am warming to this idea.

by Aztecs on Feb 18, 2012 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

I would be dissapointed with pc/js

If they drafted Osweiler anywhere in the first two rounds. Kellen Moore cannot be a good qb we saw that this year when his two best receivers left for the draft in 11’ and he floundered massively……what? He didnt?
If he gets a chance in the nfl I don’t see him having a problem succeeding on a high level. I don’t see him being drafted in the first 4 rounds though, so most teams with a lack of need for a qb could sit him for a few years until he is seasoned a little more

Watching the Seahawks is like peeing on yourself, everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling it brings

by DKrottenhawk on Feb 18, 2012 2:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Also, does Denver need a qb?

With the amount of publicity he gets the broncos with Tebowmania and whatnot the higher ups in the office are probably making a pretty penny with all the coverage they are getting with television deals and merchandising rights they may not care about getting a succseful qbotf.

Watching the Seahawks is like peeing on yourself, everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling it brings

by DKrottenhawk on Feb 18, 2012 3:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Funny, you like everyone else is ignoring Darron Thomas

Nice write up on him.

Its interesting anyway.

they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!

by stufr on Feb 18, 2012 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

Thomas should be mentioned on this list.

But Kip’s interest in him is borderline irrational. I didn’t find that piece very balanced.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 18, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

But who would you rather have, Portis or Thomas?

they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!

by stufr on Feb 18, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Hard to say.

I’m very skeptical of Portis but the fact that he stayed on the roster all season says something about him. They’re both big time project guys, and if they were at the same stage in their careers Thomas would maybe be the better prospect, but Portis is ahead of him in development. So I guess I lean towards Portis.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 18, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Watched Darron Thomas all year

he is not ready for the pros, he is a project type

by Oliudyen on Feb 28, 2012 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

DO NOT WANT

Brock Osweiler
Saw alot of his games last season.
No thank you.

Learn JiuJitsu.
Semper Fi'
Winter is coming.

by RolloTomasi on Feb 18, 2012 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

I talked to Brock Osweiler

He doesn’t want you either

Watching the Seahawks is like peeing on yourself, everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling it brings

by DKrottenhawk on Feb 18, 2012 9:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Did he express his lack of desire in all caps?

"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."

by shams on Feb 18, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

YES

Learn JiuJitsu.
Semper Fi'
Winter is coming.

by RolloTomasi on Feb 18, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Very nicely done. Made me change my signature. Your comments on Wilson intrigued me, so I found this...

Size: This is Wilson’s most serious issue as a prospect, and it is what will likely hurt his stock more than anything once the season ends and the grueling NFL Draft postseason begins. I would estimate his height to be about 5’10" which is about three or four inches shorter than most teams would prefer at minimum at the quarterback position. Some people will write him off because of his lack of height, but while I acknowledge it will make life significantly harder for him in the NFL I will absolutely not write him off because of it. It will certainly negatively affect his stock though, and anyone would be foolish to argue otherwise.

Arm Strength: Wilson has very good arm strength. He has great zip on passes to all levels and throws a very nice deep ball. He can make every NFL throw thanks to his very good arm strength and this is definitely one of his strongest attributes. He can absolutely rifle throws from the pocket or when he is moving outside of the pocket which makes him very dangerous.

Accuracy: Wilson’s accuracy is also very impressive. He has quality accuracy to all levels of the field whether they are short, medium or deep throws. Wilson knows when to rifle a throw down the seam and when he needs to put some touch on a pass to drop a throw into a hole between the corner and safety on the sideline. He is also very accurate on the run which makes him dangerous on the outside because if the coverage breaks down at all Wilson can find a hole to throw the ball.

Mechanics: Wilson has quality mechanics. His throwing motion is compact and quick, he has good footwork in the pocket as well as plenty of experience dropping back from center. He has good footwork on play action as well. He usually keeps his shoulders square when scrambling outside of the pocket which is critical to throwing accurate passes on the run quickly. Wilson could stand to get out from under center quicker in my opinion, particularly when handing the ball off at times. But that is a pretty ticky-tacky mechanical flaw, and can easily be coached up.

Mobility: Wilson’s mobility is pretty rare for the position because not only can he threaten defenses with his legs because of his great athleticism he has managed to develop into a great passing quarterback with great mobility rather than a great runner that can throw as well. The distinction may not be very obvious, but the ability to scramble and gain yardage with your legs is usually a crutch that prevents athletic quarterbacks from developing into good or great passers. That is certainly not the case for Wilson but that doesn’t mean he can’t rip off big runs when he gets outside of the pocket. Teams have to account for his ability to run and that is so hard to do against Wisconsin thanks to their fantastic running game as well as Wilson’s ability to stretch the field as a passer. His mobility helps him extend plays and makes him a very dangerous passer outside of the pocket.

Pre/Post Snap Reads: Wilson seems to make very good pre and post snap reads based off of what I’ve seen of him. At times at NC State he would force passes into coverage and make poor decisions when he was simply trying to throw his team into the game and keep them competitive. But at Wisconsin he has been terrifyingly efficient now that he has one of the best running games in the country helping him balance out the passing attack. He does a good job of identifying coverages pre-snap and reads defenses well once he drops back to pass. He also does a good job of reading defenses quickly after play action fakes and does a good job of making decisive decisions.

Pocket Poise: I think pocket poise is a very important quality to identify in quarterbacks and I think Wilson has pretty good poise in the pocket, especially for someone with so much athletic ability who can scramble for positive yardage. One of the few weaknesses in his game seems to be when there is pressure around him in the pocket and trash at his feet. I’m not sure why this is, but it certainly limits his ability to find throwing lanes because of his height and he can’t often scramble out of it, so it makes sense that in these situations he would be less effective than others. I think that causes him some discomfort at times, and will result in throws off of his back foot or less accurate passes than when he has a cleaner pocket, when he can side-step the rush to find a throwing lane, or when he can move outside of the pocket where he has clear vision of the field.

Intangibles: Russell Wilson’s intangibles are off the charts as far as I’m concerned because of how significant of a leader he was at NC State and because he has been able to seamlessly transition into a completely different locker room and organization and not only become a quality starter, but become a fantastic player worthy of at least some Heisman consideration as well as the leader of his new team, all in a matter of weeks and months. As I like to say "you can’t coach that" and that is as true about Wilson’s intangibles as it is with anything else. He’s a very hard worker, he’s very poised, he’s intelligent and he is just a natural leader. Yes, I think the Badgers would have been good this year even with a question mark at quarterback, but Wilson has been the guy that has not only made them great, but has made them borderline unstoppable. There is definitely something to be said for that.

Character: Wilson’s character is top notch from what I know of him and he is considered to be a very hard worker, very studious, watches a lot of film and clearly has his head on straight. Drafting him won’t be a risk as far as character is concerned.

Overall: I’m a huge fan of Wilson and even though I expected him to be a terrific quarterback for the University of Wisconsin even I couldn’t have anticipated him being this good this soon. He has absolutely shut up everyone who doubted that he could transition into the Badgers smoothly and he has not only transformed the Badgers into contenders, he has transformed them into a virtual lock for the Rose Bowl as the eventual Big 10 champions. His height is his most significant issue as a prospect, and beyond that he is a very well-rounded prospect that if he was three or four inches taller would warrant serious first or second round consideration in my opinion. He’s got plenty of upside, he just has to prove that he can overcome his lack of ideal (or even average) height. Playing behind Wisconsin’s mammoth offensive line and having this kind of success can’t hurt, and it will be interesting to see how he ultimately translates to the NFL once he gets drafted.

Projection: 3rd-4th round. Wilson has the ability of a 1st or 2nd round selection, but his height will hurt his stock and make people question how well he will transition to the NFL. I think he can make it as a NFL starter, but his height certainly poses a significant barrier between himself and success at the next level. Personally, I’ll be rooting for him. I am really looking forward to seeing him play at the Senior Bowl this year if he elects to go.

1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk

by Hawksince77 on Feb 18, 2012 6:58 PM PST reply actions  

Mobile, accurate, solid character, hard worker, student of the game, good arm, played in pro-style offense...

…everything sounds good except his height. If he was a CB I’d already know the answer, but do we think his lack of stature will keep him off Seattle’s draft board?

1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk

by Hawksince77 on Feb 18, 2012 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I think people underestimate Wisconsin's offensive system.

They’re not just a great running team, they have an extremely efficient passing attack that inflates their quarterback’s numbers. Last year Scott Tolzien posted a nearly identical completion percentage last year, 72.9% compared to Wilson’s 72.8%. It’s not a coincidence that his efficiency went off the charts moving from NC State, where he never completed 60% of his passes.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 18, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I never cited his stats because I don't know what they mean at the college level. If they did...

…Colt Brennen, Kellen Moore and Colt McCoy would all be top picks in the draft.

What caught my attention was the scouting of Wilson’s skill set. He has a much better arm than Moore, for instance, and is not only mobile, but is a QB who can run, and not the other way around.

From what I have read, he has good mechanics and good instincts (decision making). He’s the kind of player that will always have that chip on his shoulder about size, and he won’t be drafted where he thinks he should.

Not only that, but it seems as if he has room to grow at the position, that he will work hard and study hard to get better.

While he is very short for the position, he is built well (as opposed to UW’s Price, for instance) and he seems like one of those guys who can not only manage the game, but win a few on his arm when necessary.

Of course, this is all based on what I have read, and he didn’t show well at the senior bowl (for what that’s worth), but he might be a bargain, the kind PC/JS seem to find every draft.

1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk

by Hawksince77 on Feb 18, 2012 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Having better arm strength than Moore isn't saying a whole lot.

Wilson isn’t an elite talent overlooked solely because of his height. His only first round tool is maybe his mobility, his arm strength and accuracy are very average (except his accuracy on the move, which seems pretty good). His physical talent is average to good, not elite, with a huge limitation mixed in. It’s not damning, but it’s not particularly exciting.

The rest you seem to be pulling out of the air. You’ve read he has good instincts and decision making, but I’ve already talked about how the Wisconsin offense maximizes efficiency. He has a chip on his shoulder? He’s a good leader? A hard worker? Based on what, wins? This seems like the same kind of underdog wish-casting that goes on with Kellen Moore.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 18, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I based my comments on what I have read (see the scouting report above). Is that definitive? Nope...

…just another scout’s opinion, based on his scouting and meeting people who know Wilson.

The only reason I compared him to Moore is that they are both undersized, successful QBs at the college level. I just can’t get past how weak Moore’s arm is, and his mobility suspect as well.

So let’s say Wilson is not elite – not in the company of Luck and RGIII – does that take him out of the discussion? Are any other QBs past the top two elite? Not to my understanding. So the real question is whether Wilson would be considered by PC/JS among the other prospects (Tannehill, Cousins, Brockweiler, etc.)

If you don’t think so, that’s fine – you are probably right. You are probably in the majority.

1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk

by Hawksince77 on Feb 19, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Tannehill was a quarterback first

“The real truth is that it’s convenient how quickly people have forgotten this guy’s background; Tannehill was a pure receiver during his first two years at Texas A&M, a 6’4-222 juggernaut with good speed. His conversion to quarterback has produced impressive results given the situation,”

You have it backwards. He never converted to quarterback. He was a quarterback his whole life who converted to receiver and then moved back to his original position after beating out senior quarterback Jerrod Johnson his junior year. He was also 3 year backup at A&M taking snaps with the 2nd-team his sophomore and junior year, so in that sense, he was never a “pure” receiver. It also makes him like any other backup quarterback who waits for their opportunity to play except he had the talent to star at a new position while gaining game experience that other backup QBs in waiting never received.

I’m a huge Tannehill fan, so I can’t help but stand up for him when people bring up his time at receiver as some sort of detriment to playing quarterback. Watch his tape and you would never think he played receiver, but because people know he played the position for two and a half years, he’s automatically considered to be 2-3 years away from development that other quarterbacks are at. That’s simply not the case.

Yes, I do think he’ll need more experience and development in the NFL (as much as any other quarterback not named Luck), but considering his natural talent and experience playing in a pro-style offense as a back-up QB, starting receiver, and starting QB, he could adjust to the NFL as well as any of the QBs on this list, besides Luck. (maybe RG3 as well, but even he will have to adjust to the WCO).

by Recon_Hawk on Feb 18, 2012 7:07 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

From what I understand right now, I can see Tannelhill as a legitimate Seahawk selection at 11/12...

…but the difficulty may be getting past Washington. If Tannehill truly is worthy of a top of the first selection, I don’t see how he makes it to Seattle.

But a lot of things can yet happen. Depends on where Manning lands (although I doubt it’s Washington) and Flynn. But let’s say Manning goes to Arizona, and Arizona puts Kolb up for trade. Perhaps that’s how Washington gets their QB.

1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk

by Hawksince77 on Feb 18, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

"Pro-style offense" Not "Pro Offense"

And yes, under Mike Sherman, A&M ran a pro-style west coast offense with some spread concepts mixed in. The quarterback was asked to take snaps under center in an offense that used multiple formations and personnel sets that included fullback and tight end packages that you will not see used in a pure spread offense.

A&M relied on a balanced attack while spreading the ball around to it’s receivers, throwing the ball short-to-deep and taking advantage with play-action pass. It’s as close to a pro-style offense as you’re going to get without Luck being your starting quarterback. Not only that, A&M’s offensive concepts were closer to the Seahawks than your going to see from any system ran by RG3, Weeden, Foles, Osweiler, Davis, or Moore, which should make Tannehill even more of a fit to Seattle.

by Recon_Hawk on Feb 18, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

This is mostly incorrect.

It’s a spread offense with a large majority of the snaps coming out of shotgun. A lot of the snaps that Tannehill took under center were quick bubble screens that don’t require a drop back. Their offense was supplemented with fair number of read option running plays. The tight ends were not particularly involved in the passing game, their top two tight ends combined to catch 28 balls for 240 yards (out of 531 attempts by Tannehill).

Not that it really matters, I don’t worry too much about the system a quarterback comes from. But calling TAMU’s offense pro-style isn’t accurate.

by Nate Dogg on Feb 18, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a tape showing a WCO using a spread offense in certain passing situations

Try watching an entire game, including the running plays. If you’re are using Northwestern pass-only game tape as your evidence, your lacking the full picture. A&M runs the majority of their running plays in WCO formations using everything from 2 RB, 1 TE sets to 1 RB, 2 TE and even the occasional 2 RB, 2TE formation. That includes the QB taking most those snaps under center. You do not see that in a spread offense!! I don’t know what you think a spread offense does, but they don’t use Pro Set and I formation with their TE on the line.

I never said that Tannehill doesn’t take snaps from the shotgun, and I did say A&M uses spread concepts. However, its used mostly in passing situations just like your average NFL WCO does today who implements the spread, and when Tannehill is in the shotgun, it’s split between the spread and WCO (Shotgun does not = Spread). Watch again and notice the down and distance and you’ll see on 1st and 10, passes under center were more common while in 2nd/3rd and long, he took more snaps from the shotgun. Again, pretty standard in today’s NFL, especially considering that A&M’s leading rusher was out with injury. On mid yardage down, there wasn’t the RB threat they normally had and that limited certain packages for A&M.

If your not buying they run the WCO, just look up any search of A&M Sherman Offense and you’ll get a lot of hits referencing they use a WCO, just like this one:

“They run a west coast-style offense. They want to be balanced as far as being able to run and also play-action off of the run. They’ll take their shots down the field as far as deep balls.” – Kansas Head Coach Turner Gill on Texas A&M

I have yet to read a quote saying they run a spread offense with some WCO concepts.

by Recon_Hawk on Feb 19, 2012 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair

Yes, Tannehill played quarterback in high school. I characterized him as a receiver who converted to quarterback because receiver was his first position of success in college. Lots of people play quarterback in high school. Tannehill put himself on the football map, though, playing receiver.

That said, I agree with you that people make assumptions about Tannehill because of his time at receiver. I may be guilty of being one of them. But I stand by what I wrote. Playing quarterback in high school, and in 7-on-7 summer leagues, is necessary development for modern quarterbacks, and Tannehill does have that. But what gives me pause about his ability to transition is the shift in mindset necessary to play receiver. Receiver and quarterback are such diametrically different jobs – imagine working in a big company and having success as a graphic designer. Suddenly, one day, they decide to move you up to advertising. Are the fields similar? Sure, but it requires a completely different approach to succeed.

Can he adjust? I’m sure he can, but that’s why I wrote what I did. This year, I’m trying really hard not to fall in love with any quarterback prospects. I don’t especially “like” Tannehill, or “dislike” him, any more than any other prospect; I like them all (above the line, anyway). Ultimately, we can evaluate players, but we can’t select them, at least not for our team. And that means we have to live with whoever they choose – which may be tough.

by pacificsands on Feb 19, 2012 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

"This year, I’m trying really hard not to fall in love with any quarterback prospects."

That’s a great way to look at it. I’m probably a bit more invested in the quarterback position than is healthy, lol, but I do try to remain open to all possible situations that may play out.

In the end, if PC/JS choose to address other needs besides QB or drafts a late rd QB instead of an early one, I’m fine with that. I’ve bought into what the front office is doing, so I’m not jumping ship if they don’t do what I hope they do, but eventually they’re going to have to identify their ‘guy’ and make a play for him.

by Recon_Hawk on Feb 19, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Can I fall in love with Peyton, please?!??! Can we make a Peyton exception?!?

I've put away the whiskey and the chainsaw and gone responsible. I'd like to say "Danny Kelly made me do it!" but that would be a lie. I chose to shave, put on a suit and tie and pretend I'm more important than I really am...

by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 20, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He is FOR US, haha!

certainly prospect-ive.

I've put away the whiskey and the chainsaw and gone responsible. I'd like to say "Danny Kelly made me do it!" but that would be a lie. I chose to shave, put on a suit and tie and pretend I'm more important than I really am...

by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 20, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

rec'd, for having your own take and supporting it well.

You made me think more critically about some established opinions I had formed, and that’s a very good thing.

It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.

by mister bunny on Feb 18, 2012 8:20 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

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