Peyton Manning: Rumors, Intrigue Galore
I haven't done a rumors/intrigue galore post in a while but I suppose now is as good of a time as any. The Peyton Manning injury situation, roster bonus question, possible release from the Colts, his possible retirement, his rift with Irsay, or a myriad of other rumors have been swirling for a few months and on a daily basis we're 'hearing' new things. Today is no different. So, here's what we're reading today!
From Dan Pompei and the National Football Post:
*Based on the buzz around the league, the Seahawks could be the early frontrunner for Peyton Manning, assuming he is released. Pete Carroll needs a quarterback and is believed to have a strong interest in at least exploring Manning. The Seahawks could offer Manning an attractive scenario. They have a young team with some fine skill players to put around him. They play in one of the league's loudest stadiums. Manning wouldn't be subject to the same kind of scrutiny in Seattle that he would in a lot of other markets.
The Seahawks also could have a better feel for Manning's medical situation than some teams. One of their team physicians, Stan Herring, who also is one of the country's preeminent specialists for spine injuries. Herring is a member of the NFL's Head, Neck and Spine Committee.
The first paragraph is nothing new, really. The Peyton Manning - Seattle connection has been made quite a few times and Seattle is one of a short list of NFL teams with adequate (?) cap space, a stable of quality receivers and tight ends, a run game, and a strong defense where the addition of the future-hall-of-famer could plausibly put them into contention. Also, importantly, the Seahawks have sunk a lot of capital into their offensive line, have a young, near elite left tackle in Russell Okung, a first-round pick right tackle in James Carpenter and a recently re-signed quality backup in Breno Giacomini. They've got a very quality center in Max Unger, and Robert Gallery/John Moffitt are at least average at the guard spots.
The Seahawks had been reportedly interested in Carson Palmer the last year or so and the idea of bringing in a veteran QB to act as a franchise bridge is not far-fetched, - not remotely. The 'don't panic' attitude of the front office when it comes to their draft picks and the quarterback position make this type of move much more attractive - adding a quality quarterback like Manning, even considering the idea that his skills may be diminished due to his neck injury, buys them time to choose carefully when it comes to finally pulling the trigger on a young signal caller. The pressure to draft a QB early this year, for good or bad, would be greatly reduced and if the team has their eyes set on a player next year - Matt Barkley or whoever - then they can afford to wait.
Or, if they draft a quarterback this year, there would be absolutely no fan or media pressure to rush said player onto the field. Despite Carroll's comments recently admitting that young QBs may be more able to play earlier than he originally thought, you have to think that he'd prefer to play a veteran with experience and savvy.
You know that Carroll and company want to compete this year, and with the leaps and bounds their defense made last year, better QB play makes it very possible for the team to improve dramatically. Imagine the Seahawks' defense buoyed by an offense that finishes better than 29th in time of possession. For a unit that was on the field longer than all but three teams in the whole league in 2011, the Seahawks defensive top-10 finish becomes even more respectable and exciting.
Again, this is nothing new. I find it very easy to defend the logic behind a move like this, even if it seems far fetched. There are arguments against signing him- that he might not be a scheme fit, they'd have to install a new offense, his personality doesn't fit well, he's not a long-term solution. If those are the real reasons for shying away from Manning then I'd have question the intelligence of the brain trust in charge, honestly.
On the other hand, if the main question concerns his health, that's completely valid. If he can't throw, he's not 'Peyton Manning'. If he can't grip the ball, he's not 'Peyton Manning.' These are good reasons to exercise caution, in my opinion. Not going after 'Peyton Manning' because of personality concerns, or scheme concerns, well, that's just dumb, in my opinion. He has elite skills - accuracy, elite progression reading, elite diagnostic skills, elite decision making skills, willingness to throw receivers open and fit the ball into tight pockets. If you say to me - "well, they'd have to learn a new offense," I'd say "who gives a shit? Do it. There are maybe five QBs in the league with that skillset. You'll figure it out."
He's got a strong running game to lean on. He won't be asked to throw 40 times a game, probably. Darrell Bevell doesn't run a proprietary offense that cannot be tweaked. Who would you rather have calling plays anyway, really?
But that's just me. I haven't heard anyone in the Seahawks say anything either way when it comes to Manning, obviously, so it's definitely tough to know exactly what they're thinking. There's a lot of speculation either way, but in my mind it would be stupid to ignore the possibility of signing Manning if he had interest in Seattle. Obviously, that's the question. There have been rumors out there that Manning would like to play in Seattle, as reported by Jason La Canfora of the NFL Network. Who knows if that's actually true. Regardless, it's worth mentioning.
So, let's assume their main concern is Peyton Manning's health. The interesting piece of the puzzle that comes out in Pompei's piece is this paragraph:
The Seahawks also could have a better feel for Manning's medical situation than some teams. One of their team physicians, Stan Herring, who also is one of the country's preeminent specialists for spine injuries. Herring is a member of the NFL's Head, Neck and Spine Committee.
That's fairly significant. Manning's personal doctors and surgeons have apparently cleared him to play, but with Stan Herring on the Seahawks staff, their understanding of the injury - its implications and risks will be well-known to the team and that can't be understated. Obviously, teams have experts and consult the best doctors when performing their due diligence on injuries, but having one of 'the country's preeminent specialists for spine injuries" on their payroll certainly can't hurt. Knowledge is king in this league and that gives the Seahawks a slight edge. If they feel that Manning is worth a look, despite the injury risk (which, they've shown a willingness to stomach in the past - Sidney Rice, etc), this might be key.
This is going to be a hot-button topic this offseason, whether we like it or not. Even if it seems far-fetched (which it does, to me, honestly), it's not really something you can ignore so here's me exploring the idea. The arguments for and against brining him in have been discussed. If he does indeed have interest in Seattle, it's going to get very interesting. I'm skeptical, but I also didn't think the Seahawks would sign Sidney Rice. Or Zach Miller. I didn't think they'd draft two offensive linemen with their first two picks. If anything, they've been pretty unpredictable.
All this, of course, is assuming he's released. Assuming he's not going to retire. Ah, the offseason.
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This is going to be very interesting
As I understand it Peyton’s been cleared from a physical perspective by the doctors and its just coming down to whether or not the nerves in his arm can regenerate enough to enable him to play good football. Which they probably won’t know until spring/summer. This might just come down to which teams willing to take the risk first and that’s where its going to be great having this ‘preeminent specialist’ on the staff.
Is there a way to find out the average time
It takes Peyton and tarvaris to get rid of the ball?
If we got someone who could go through reads faster and get rid of the ball quicker than Tjack then please, let’s sign him.
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by DKrottenhawk on Feb 19, 2012 1:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
without any research whatsoever the answer is easily Peyton
TJack rarely goes through reads it seems
Well I knew that based just on the eye test
Was looking for the actual stats though. Because it correlates with better o-line protection throughout the game if they aren’t tired at the end waiting for someone to get rid of the ball.
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by DKrottenhawk on Feb 19, 2012 6:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Manning has been beat by a superior pass-rush, but it's rare. I recall a few years ago Peyton calling out his o-line...
…something about ‘breakdowns in protection’ after losing the AFC championship game (if memory serves) against the Steelers.
But Manning can make a blitz pay as well as anyone.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
If he can pass the physical
He probably has 3-4 years left in the league. That means that we have another year or so to draft a young guy.
It might be a good way to bridge into a young QB.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
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nope nope nope
manning is a terrible fit. We want a more mobile option than him i bleieve. It allows our line to not be elite but still perform well since the QB can simply run out of troublesome situations.
With an elite o-line yes manning works. However, where we are, we need a more mobile QB to take the helm. (barkley next year looks to fit the role of decent mobility and great on field skills). Manning would be crushed and all over the uinjury report with our line blocking. (thouhg they looked good in some rush blocking they lacked pass protection for a majority of the year)
Manning had the worst offensive line in the league for the last few years.
He’ll be fine with Unger, Okung, Carpenter, and friends in Seattle.
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by Colts Homer on Feb 19, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Manning is very good at either getting rid of the ball
Or the self initiated fall down sack. Its kinda his signature move.
I wouldn’t worry about him with our line.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
by stufr on Feb 19, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Manning may not be able to move around and avoid the rush.
But he will recognize blitzes, shift protections, know exactly where his hot reads are at, and get the ball out of his hand quickly. That can be just as effective, if not more than running away from pressure.
by cdalto on Feb 19, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
I'm just happy I don't have to make the decision.
So many variables involved I’d need to defer to the good old coin-flip. Cowardly move ? Dam straight.
A so far not noted benefit of Manning
would be our receivers learning from the QB who directed Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Collie ( and to a lesser extent Garcon) on how to run their routes, and those are four of the most technically sound receivers in the league over the last decade.
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What's the reason for the terribleness of Sorgi and Painter?
Bad drafting, or something to do with Manning?
Manning isn't a teacher, because no one else can throw the ball like he can.
It’s also indicative of the low priority that backup QB has been in the Colts organization, only using a low-round pick on one once every 4 or 5 years. Not unlike Charlie Whitehurst, you can’t just stick a QB on the bench for a couple years and hope he blossoms into a star.
This is what I understand about his neck injury (working in healthcare with trauma and post trauma patients)
1) By report, the bone is fully fused. It would be negligence to announce if it was not true, so we have to assume it is, as I doubt a physician would make that declaration and expose himself to liability and judgement before the medical board.
2) Because the bone is fully fused, just having the fusion procedure does not make Manning any more susceptible to catastrophic injury than any other players in the NFL. The major problem with neck fusion like Manning’s is that loss of mobility at the fused level increases stress at the adjacent levels, and for the rest of his life with or without football, he will be more prone than the rest of us to sustain a degenerative disk herniation at an adjacent level, and because of his profession, he will be more prone to sustaining recurrent traumatic disk herniations than his peers in the NFL. Disk herniation are most commonly associated with pain, but can lead to nerve compression, or when they are really bad can compress the spinal cord. It is beyond extremely rare for a disk herniation, without other osseous or ligamentous injury, to cause damage to the spinal cord.
3) After 4 surgeries, there is bound to be atrophy of the muscles in the neck, particularly on the side they did the surgery on. Weak neck muscles certainly could be a risk factor for recurrent neck injury, either recurrent disk herniations or less likely fracture. In addition, weak neck muscles may not support the head as well and it would be possible that he has less ability to protect himself from concussion. With appropriate rehabbing of the muscles, again Manning could reduce the risk of recurrent herniation, concussion, and catastrophic inury to essentially the same level as his peers who have not had surgery.
4) Because of Manning’s pocket presence and quick release, he takes fewer hits than other quarterbacks in similar situations, and fewer hits would decrease the chance of both non-catastrophic and catastrophic neck injury.
5) Arm atrophy can be addressed with weight and dynamic physcial training. If there has been irreversible nerve damage, that can never be regained, and will pose a significant challenge. Reversible nerve injury can take months to years to recover and will also pose a significant challenge. The degree of nerve loss is related to what maximum of armstrength and coordination can return. This is the most uncertain, and most dire aspect of his postoperative recovery as it relates to the return of football – I wish him well because he is a player both fun to watch and fun to root against.
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by pqlqi on Feb 19, 2012 2:41 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
This is totally FanPost material.
Good information, thanks.
by Danny Kelly on Feb 19, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In otherwords, don't be the farm on him
but on an incentive laden 4 year contract, bring him here for the first year for only rehab, maybe 1 million salary. Spend 5 million on the gurus at UW and Harborview to poke and prod and repair what they can. Send him to sweden for some crazy not approved growth hormone and PRP treaments (skipping Sweden’s notoriously skilled sexual reassignment surgery). Give him bionic implants, that allow him to be bigger, faster, stronger. Make him the 6 million dollar manning! and wehawks shall rule the world!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
by pqlqi on Feb 19, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I would think it would be UW and Virginia Mason for the poking and prodding...
I had a Virginia Mason doc give me a hip surgery that was incredibly unique years ago. Cryogenically froze my femeral neck, carved out 90% of the mass at one bridge point, replacing the lost tissue with bone matrix, then stitching me back up with no plates or screws…. pretty crazy, really.
Harborview would be the place for level1 trauma no doubt, but hopefully if he DOES sign here, he NEVER goes to Harborview…
Oh, and if any of the Providers working on him need EPIC training, I am credentialed and would be happy to help them with their smart text.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Why skip the sexual reassignment surgery? I mean heck, if he's already there...
by John Edwards on Feb 20, 2012 4:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Come for the food, stay for the penis guillotine.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
I feel that's casting it in a negative light.
Who doesn’t like multiple orgasms?
If Peyton Manning is "healthy" enough to play and Seattle signs him
Then two things:
1.) Seattle thinks they’re in “win now” mode and want to be playoff contenders even with a serious injury risk at QB. I was for this until I read a lot more about Peyton’s problems. Now I’m totally against signing Peyton Manning.
2.) If they do think that, then Carroll and Schneider’s jobs should absolutely be 100% tied to the Peyton Manning signing. In the event it goes bust I’ll consider them not competent enough to properly manage a QB situation. This is about as high risk/high reward we can get.
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That's an incredibly rigid stance...
I don’t think PC/JS would regard Peyton as a substitute for drafting a much longer-term solution.
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by Brandon8 on Feb 19, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This is an odd perspective, as signing Manning this year would be no different than signing TJax last...
…in that they are pursuing the best option at the position.
If they could have signed Tom Brady last year, they would have, not in the spirit of “win now” but instead, “win forever.” They will draft or sign the best players possible, given their criteria (and it’s an open question whether or not Manning fits that critieria).
They didn’t forego draftig a QB last year because the signed a starter in TJax. They didn’t draft a QB because they didn’t want any that were available (Gabbert/Mallett, for instance). If they signed Manning, they still draft a QB this year, maybe even two, as signing Manning allows that QB to sit and learn, and nobody in this draft class outside of Luck has been rated as NFL-ready (other than Weeden, perhaps).
Point is, I don’t see Manning as blocking the development of the position. If they had a good prospect ready to start (Portis, say) than yes, signing Manning would be the wrong move. Better off getting your guy on the field, if he’s ready.
Other than that, who would you rather have start for Seattle in 2012? TJax? Portis? Flynn? Campbell? Tannehill? Or a healthy Manning?
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
by Hawksince77 on Feb 19, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
What?
So despite the massive influx of depth and talent that have taken this team from old and terrible to young and full of potential you would fire them based on one decision? Glad Paul Allen is in charge.
by the other side on Feb 19, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I never said fire them
I’m saying that the pressure should be on them if a Peyton Manning experiment fails. QB has been an issue that we have essentially been too afraid to address under the tiring excuse that “There isn’t anyone interesting in the draft” dating back to the Ruskell Era. If Manning were to join Seattle and succeed? Fine! He’s Peyton Freaking Manning and obviously the gamble paid of. If not? Then consider it 3 seasons under Q/PM and 3 seasons with sub-par QB play and not attempts to build through the draft.
It’s been the most important position for a long time and I know as much as they’ve done a great job building depth elsewhere, I’m still fairly cautious about QB.
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If they draft a solid QB prospect AND sign Manning, would you be upset?
I don’t understand your reasoning.
He also wouldn't be expensive unless he earns his incentives.
Hitting that many of those milestones would probably imply a deep playoff run.
Not to nitpick, but...
goes farther back than the Ruskell era. Holmgren didn’t exactly pick a QB to develop every year or even every other year either…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Disagree on that:
1999 – Brock Huard, (3rd round)
2001 – Matt Hasselbeck (trade), Josh Booty (6th round)
2002 – Jeff Kelly (7th round)
And keep in mind, this was in a situation where the QB position was just as unsettling as ours is now.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Jeff Kelly in the 7th counts?
My point was, after getting Hasselbeck, Holmgren stopped focusing on developing younger QB’s and drafting any of significance. David Greene was a 3rd rounder… that was the highest we went during Hasselbeck’s entire tenure, spanning 3?4? different GM’s.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Again disagreed.
Seneca Wallace in 2003, right after Hasselbeck was named the starter.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
So a 3rd, a 4th, a 3rd, and nothing else earlier than a 6th...
Not a focal point of the past decade, to be certain.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 20, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Seneca was drafted to be a backup.
He fit Holmy’s backup prototype perfectly.
Respectability.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 20, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Great piece, thanks. A couple of notes:
1 – while many have speculated that Seattle would be an attractive landing spot for Manning for all the reasons you mention, your piece provides the first quote I have seen that indicated PC/JS might be interested. To me, that is new.
2 – you assert that a Manning-led offense would improve Seattle’s time of possession. I beg to differ. Have you seen this guy play? I recall one game two years ago where Indy beat Miami and lost the TOP battle something like 3 to 1. Miami would run run run and score, taking 8 or 9 minutes to do so, and then Manning would take the Colts down the field in about a minute and a half for a TD.
So yeah, while he may not improve your TOP so much, he will definitely improve your average points scored per game.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
To your points:
1 – There has been no “quote” indication from PCJS that they are interested. That would be considered tampering. Everything is “Seattle would be blah blah blah Peyton Manning from sources around the league” still.
2 – Have you seen some of our 3 and outs? A minute and a half would double our time of possession.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Feb 19, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, ToP would likely improve I think, despite the quick scoring drives.
WAY, way too many 3-and-outs for this offense this season. Can see Manning improving that dramatically, but it not, I’d take playing with a lead anyway. Either way – I don’t think it’s a bad thing.
As to point one, these is the line I have never seen before in a published statement:
“Pete Carroll needs a quarterback and is believed to have a strong interest in at least exploring Manning.”
Second sentence of the paragraph. I don’t know who is doing the ‘believing’ but this is the first time I have seen a reference to PC or JS having any interest in Manning.
The second point was genuinely tongue in cheek. Yeah, those three and outs were killers.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
I'm not understanding the "He wouldn't fit" comments
If Manning plays anything like Manning of the past … he “fits” with any team. And like others have said, all it would do is buy us time to groom a QBOTF.
If you’re gonna have a stop-gap at QB … why not have it be Manning?
If Manning is healthy and he can throw, then this is what I would do.
I would trade our 11/12 first rounder this year for a first and a 2nd or 3rd in 2013. Draft 5 pass rushers in 5 consecutive rounds (not really but you get the idea). Then the following year I would package those 2 first rounders to get Matt Barkely.
I dont really mind betting the farm on Peyton as long as he can throw. If he does suffer some catastrophic injury then we will for sure go 2 and 14 and have a high draft pick for our QBOTF in 2013.
The only thing I do not like about it is how it would jerk around Tarvaris again in an almost identical situation that he went through in Minnesota. To make matters worse PC/JS came out earlier this year referencing how Jackson was mismanaged and “jerked” around. It would be extremely hypocritical and I hate hypocrites.
If Peyton goes down, then we have Jackson backing him up.
While it is a drop off in talent, it’s not significant enough to automatically bring them to 2 and 14. Betting the farm on Manning and him getting hurt wouldn’t effect the next season as much as having a potential impact on future seasons by missing out on a young talent that could have an impact for years (or you could end up with another Aaron Curry… that’s a whole different story tho).
That said, I’d rather wait and see if Manning gets released. No need to jeopardize draft picks on potentially broken beyond repair goods.
I also agree it would suck for Jackson to have to go through the Brett Favre scenario again, but it is a business and he must understand the PC/JS “Win Forever.” In order to do that, you have to bring in the best talent you can get, and let the position battles determine the starters.
But Jackson was not "jerked around" here.
Pete named him the starter and gave him the entire season. TJ has even mentioned it.
It was a fair shake.
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I don't see any downside to signing Manning, if he gets released.
Either we elevate to contenders or continue on the path of rebuilding. Until we have our quarterback of the future on the roster, having Manning can’t hurt. It’s not like we will sign him to a crippling long-term contract.
Another thought: if Seattle signs Manning within the next few weeks (he gets cut before 3/8, FA starts the 13th)...
…does that give Seattle more credibility in the FA market? For example, would that change how Mario Williams feels about joining the Seahawks?
Didn’t we see that effect somewhat last year with Miller’s signing? Perhaps even Rice’s.
For me, this is the dream scenario: sign Manning to a short-term (2 years or so) incentive-laden contract (he will have until camp to re-hab his arm and get it back into former shape) and sign Williams for a long-term, much bigger contract (he seems to be the kind of player worth investing in).
At that point, you enter the draft with your two largest holes filled. You still draft a QB (perhaps even 2) and you still draft defense, but you end up with a much more talented and deeper roster.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
"Your two largest holes filled" - Hahahahahahaha
On a more serious note, then yeah, I think it can create a ripple effect – Especially on offense as well. Who wouldn’t want to catch a ball from Peyton Manning, or play next to Mario Williams on the line?
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
How about this: signing Manning and Williams would upgrade the two positions on the team most in need of an upgrade.
Does that work better?
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
I really don't mind.
That was just a knee-jerk reaction from my immature 13-year old self.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I think so. Restructure Trufant (or cut him) and cut TJax. Those two actions alone pay for Manning.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Signing Mario would also mean Red is certainly all but gone also.
And we wouldn’t need to cut T-Jax.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Works for me. My only point is that I am fairly certain a combination of elements could be arranged.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
by Hawksince77 on Feb 19, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And I was using examples of players already counted against 2012 cap...
…and not what we would potentially save by not re-signing players (like Red).
Point of fact, Lynch would be easier to replace in the draft than it would be to get someone like Williams, and Williams arguably plays a more important position.
Point is, push comes to shove, if Richardson is available at 11/12 and Seattle drafts him, he could forego the cost of re-signing Lynch, if that meant obtaining Williams.
See, lots of options.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Let's be realistic here: The Seahawks are not going to sign Manning AND Lynch AND Mario Williams.
And the Seahawks are DEFINITELY re-signing Lynch. There’s a fantasy that we could just use a middle-round draft on a RB every couple of years and never have to give one a new contract, but it’s foolish to think a rookie can replace Marshawn’s production.
Lynch is a great fit for our offense, so why rock the boat? Unless there’s another team that wants give him $50 million dollars, we should have little trouble signing him.
Also, the Texans would be beyond foolish if they didn’t franchise tag Williams.
The Seahawks just may franchise tag Lynch.
I’m personally all in for waiting till next year to see if he’s staying healthy.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I think we'll franchise him, as well...but that would just be a step towards finalizing a long-term deal.
The Seahawks are going to go into free agency by working in good faith; they’re not going to refuse to talk with him this offseason so they can get yet-another look at how he holds up in this offense (isn’t almost 2 years enough?).
Look at it this way: The Seahawks are going to sign Lynch to a 5-year deal. Considering how long most RB careers last, do you want the final year of that deal to occur during his 11th season in the league, or his 12th? Better to get the contract signed ASAP; they’ll use the tag for exclusive negotiation rights, and if both parties can’t agree to a deal, we’d probably trade him for something (big “if”).
The Seahawks are not an organization that purposefully antagonizes its players.
My understanding is that they actually can't franchise tag Williams
If they did, they’d be on the hook for over 22 million, guaranteed money. I leave it to your imagination what Williams’ agent could demand then…
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From what I understand I don't think the Texans can realistically franchise Williams..
Don’t they have something like less then 5M in cap space to work with and a franchise tag for Williams would cost something like 22M. Pretty sure everyone expects them NOT to franchise him.
That's what makes this entire FA so odd, with Manning and Williams...
…where both players will not be playing for their former teams, the former for 28,000,000 reasons, and the latter for 22,000,000.
And both players can pick and choose where they play next year. So Seattle has a shot at one or both of them…
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
As far as Williams goes, that is going to take some major coin, but I think given his talent...
…and the lack of such talent in the current draft, and the rarity that such a talent becomes available, and given his age, you make the investment.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
"Lack of such talent in the current draft"
Considering that one (or more) of the following players – Devon Still, Courtney Upshaw, Quinton Couples, Brockers, Melvin Ingram – will most likely fall to us at 11/12, I disagree about Mario being a rarity.
Unless of course you believe Williams is a premier talent.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Yes, I believe Williams is an elite talent, head and shoulders above those you name...
…at least as far as we can project over the next two years or so.
Of your list, I think Brockers may be the one with the highest ceiling. Of course I am considering a pure pass-rushing end. Upshaw, for example, wouldn’t have that kind of impact rushing the passer, at least to my understanding. Coples has questions about his motivation, so brings some risk as well.
Williams has had an excellent career, and there is no reaspon to believe (unlike the stupid Washington signing of -damn, brain fart- a few years ago, what $100 mil or something stupid?) that a lucrative signing will change that for Williams.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Correction - I know Brockers plays DT - both 3-tech and he can kick out at the 5-tech...
…which is one of the reason I like him.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Haynesworth - that was the guy Washington signed and didn't quite live up to his contract.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
More on Williams:
Mario Williams (HOU) – DE – Mario Williams just suffered any players’ nightmareÑa season ending injury in a contract year. Fortunately for Williams, he has a proven track record and had the production prior to the injury with 4 sacks through 4.5 games. For a Texans defense that survived without him and a franchise tag that would cost them $23 million, there seems to be reason to believe the former #1 overall pick may end up elsewhere next season. Imagine that, a former number one overall with 2 All-Pros that isn’t re-signed after his rookie contract. It’s not a sure bet, but very possible.
Mario Williams, DE, Texans. Age: 27.
One of the top pass-rushers in the NFL will be allowed to hit the market because the Texans have other great rush linebackers. I’m not big on building through free agency, but teams should be selling their souls to get Williams on their roster.
1) Mario Williams, Houston: He can be an elite 4-3 end and surprised with how well he transitioned to OLB in Wade Phillips’s 3-4 scheme. Houston would love to keep him but it’s doubtful they can afford to franchise the former top pick if they don’t lock him up to a long-term deal.
Top 50 free agents: Former top pick Williams is top player on open market.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
His play demands a 5-6 year for 50-65 million type deal.
Which, I wouldn’t hesitate to give at all, if the market was thin.
The fact that there is so many other options to choose from in the draft, as I listed above, along with cheaper options in FA (Cliff Avril, Calais Campbell) makes me think twice about signing Mario. Likewise, consider that it is the pass rush that needs the most attention. Addressing the former’s problem does not really necessitate a D-Line need.
Again, I’m not advocating against signing Williams – I just believe he isn’t a “must-get” for us this offseason.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Yeah, I don't see him as a 'must get' either. I see it more of an opportunity, a rare one, one that fits...
…with what Seattle needs.
As for the other FAs, I don’t trust Avril — either his ability nor his attitude — he’s definitely going with the money, and there is some sense that his production has more to do with others than himself.
I also recently read that the Cards are keeping Campbell, period. This after some equivocating remarks about Kolb, so I think they are serious about it.
After all that, paying a big contract for a big talent like that is worth it, in this case. Low risk, relatively young, good fit for the team. When it comes down to it, I don’t even know if it’s possible, in that Seattle would offer enough (against some other team likely to offer something outrageous) or even if Williams would be interested.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Avril's improved his sacks each season of his career, that's a rare thing.
He’s 25 and a very very good pass rusher. I do not believe money is his motivating factor at all. I just think he’s been getting better each year.
And yes, shocking— put some solid DT’s next to a DE and he gets sacks. Does that also mean the Terrell Suggs numbers are more indicative of the supporting cast? He’s always had talent around him…
Avril’s legit.
I've put away the whiskey and the chainsaw and gone responsible. I'd like to say "Danny Kelly made me do it!" but that would be a lie. I chose to shave, put on a suit and tie and pretend I'm more important than I really am...
by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
That's cool. It would be about time Detroit gave something back in the way of players...
…considering how many former Seahawks play there.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
I actually hope he stays. I'd like to see that line get good and develop together, and be a contender in the North.
Detroit could use some NFL karmic love…
I've put away the whiskey and the chainsaw and gone responsible. I'd like to say "Danny Kelly made me do it!" but that would be a lie. I chose to shave, put on a suit and tie and pretend I'm more important than I really am...
by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Then tell them to get some freaking cornerbacks.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I'd be willing to bet Mario Williams's demands will be at least 6yr-$84M.
That’s the contract Julius Peppers got 2 years ago at age 30. Mario is 27 now less then a month after his birthday. I’m expected to see Mario hit the 6yr-$90M mark this offseason, with a real possibility to hit the $100M mark. Talents like him don’t become unrestricted this young very often and with all the cap room out there somebody out there is going to spend the money to lock him up.
Forgot to mention
I think he’s worth it, and would be ecstatic if Seattle signed him.
in the words of the great james brown
Please, Please, Please!
Peyton is if anything underrated. look at the effect upon Indy for only one season. this is a possibility to jump from improving team to contender in on year. Ask yourself who can make this offense viable…a QB of the future or a Hall of Fame mind….
I will just sit in a room and keep listening to R&B albums…
hoping the greatest QB of my generation wears blue.
He already wears blue.
He’s not underrated; I don’t know anybody who wouldn’t have predicted Indy’s 2011 season, given the loss of Manning. Also, the Manning we all know isn’t the Manning that is about to be available.
He made 10+ straight Pro Bowls, won numerous MVP's, a Super Bowl and a bunch of division championships with average teams,
and outside of New England comes out the majority of time considered the greatest quarterback in our era – at the least.
I think ‘underrated’ gets thrown around a bit too much, but you just completely raped the meaning.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Feb 19, 2012 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Another quote for the "preposterous quote" tourney?!?
I've put away the whiskey and the chainsaw and gone responsible. I'd like to say "Danny Kelly made me do it!" but that would be a lie. I chose to shave, put on a suit and tie and pretend I'm more important than I really am...
by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 20, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Congratulations!
You’ve been entered as a candidate* for the Preposterous Statement Tournament.
*It may be that, when all is said and done, this just isn’t as preposterous as many other statements, and so you could get bumped. But it’s early, and we’re looking for fresh meat.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Feb 21, 2012 5:47 AM PST up reply actions
Scott Enyeart--your thoughts?
Perhaps I’ve just missed it, but it seems like Scott has retreated to his cave after telling us that the FO has no interest in Flynn.
Scott, I appreciate your perspective and unique insight. Any word as to how the FO feels about Manning? It would seem obvious that we’d want him if healthy, but I’m curious about your take.
Everyone else: (trying to be unbiased) If you were Peyton, where would you want to go and why?
by DeepHeat on Feb 19, 2012 7:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If I was a top QB wanting to make another SB appearance, perhaps 2, I'd definitely sign with Seattle.
Arizona would be the other possibility, but I would put Seattle as slight favorites over the Cards.
After that, some think Miami, but they don’t have a good record of attracting top talent, although there are some other positives in south Florida (Manning has a house there, for instance, and it’s on the East coast, and that might be something.
Redskins? No where close to contending – too many holes.
Jets? Who would willingly join that rat race?
Cleveland? Maybe, but they don’t have much in playmakers.
Bottom line: Seattle has the defense, the running game, and the WRs/TEs that a good QB could turn into pro-bowlers. And the team is young and the ownership/coaching staff committed to winning.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
San Francisco - elite defense, good running game, take Wayne with him for his go to WR
Houston – elite running game and decent pass blocking OL, throwing to AJ, Dreeson, Daniels, good defense that is on an upswing. Weather is also a positive for Houston.
Tennessee – home town hero (college at UT), Kenny Britt coming back, very good OL, revenge motive to get back at Indy ownership (I’m sure there is just a tiny bit of that in the back of his mind).
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
by pqlqi on Feb 19, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
San Francisco and Houston are not looking for a QB and have no reason to shell out their salary cap for one.
And Tennessee…well, we shall see.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
the question was not where will he end up, but where would Peyton want to play.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Scott's already said he doesn't expect Carroll to be interested in Peyton.
This isn’t the tweet I was looking for, but same idea.
A few things about Peyton in Seattle
A few points and comments on Peyton Manning. You may not agree, but here is my opinions of a few not that talked about aspects of him:
1. Desire. No QB we could get would have a bigger chip on the shoulder and work harder than Manning. Peyton already was a film fanatic and perfectionist in all aspects of the offensive game. Being in Seattle would bring that to the offense. I would rate this a huge positive.
2. Knowledge. Peyton knows his version of an offense and fit players into what he was capable of thereby bringing the other skill players around him to a very high level. He, Cable and Bevell could put together a hell of a plan each week. Another positive.
3. Selfishness. While in Indy, from what I understand, Manning tried to take every snap in practice. This gave very little chance to have other players take first team reps. Depending on perspective, this could go either way so I’ll call it a neutral.
4. Peyton is not going to come cheap, and even incentive laden contracts have a chance to blow up the financial well being of the team for the long term. This is a negative, but can be managed.
5. Drama and ego. Depending on what you read, Peyton and Irsay talk to each other through the media, use the media and publically discuss some things better left in secret. Also, one column I read said that Reggie Wayne will follow Peyton to whatever team he goes to as a package deal. Peyton also supposedly demands a lot of special handling. These items are not all inclusive nor are they even 2nd hand knowledge on my part. However, taken globally these items point to Peyton having a large ego. This is also a negative in my eyes, especially under the team JS/PC have built that to me at least appears rather devoid of ego with very few me first players.
6. Health and age. This area goes without explanation as a negative, the uncertainty is to what level this is a negative.
7. The 4th quarter comeback. Herein lies the true value of Peyton. He is an elite leader first and foremost. When he walks onto the field in the 4th quarter with the game on the line, sets up behind the center and flaps his arms around like a wounded duck trying to take flight and calls the audible, everyone knows what he is going to do (throw) yet everyone (even defense) believes he will likely succeed. This is a huge positive.
So, assuming Peyton actually is released, what would I do if I was PC/JS? I would probably have a better list that what I wrote above. But, after consulting it I would fly Peyton and family to Seattle. Then pick them up at the airport in the float plane and give them a tour around VMAC. I would bring them in about 4PM for a short visit and fly them back out as the sun is setting over the water on the lake, with my last words being “Don’t let the sun set on your career without you being part of what we are building here. You can prove something to everyone, but most importantly to yourself. How many more chances at Superbowls will you get anywhere else?”
by Aztecs on Feb 19, 2012 8:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
My critique:
Point #3 – I don’t think that’s being selfish, just being ready and responsible. Lots of reps = better preparedness for the game. And the 2nd string QB can always work with the 2nd string center.
Point #4 – The fact that almost all of his contract is going to be non-guaranteed will give us trade/release flexibility if our Cap starts going out of control.
Point #5 – I have a hard time understanding this, considering that up until this year, Manning has been relatively quiet in the media. And no doubt PC will lend some influence/control over this.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Reply to points
Point #3 Yes, I agree the number 1 QB should take all first team reps…if he is playing. A few years ago when Dungy told Manning on Tuesday that Manning was not starting the week 17 game, Manning still insisted on taking almost all 1st team reps for the week. That isn’t just selfish.
Point #4 Why would we release Manning if his cap value gets out of control? That is kind of my point about signing him, in that you have to make the signing considering the impact of incentives which he very likely reaches if he is healthy. Off the top of my head, in 2014 we have Tate, Thurmond and Chancellor becoming FA followed by Sherman, Durham and ET in 2015. On the flip side the cap should tend to rise with new TV contracts, but it still points to an issue retaining young, existing players that are becoming very good while still managing a Manning contract.
Point #5 I don’t agree with your reply here. The whole Manning clan, Archie, Peyton and Eli all use and comment in the media quite a bit. As someone else said earlier, that is more of the PC role than what we have seen from a QB on the team, even in the days of Hasselbeck. It would be interesting to see how JS/PC would manage this with Peyton.
Nicely done. I think your #4 and #5 may be the killers, in that PC is the alpha dog on the team...
…and I can’t see him going all Childress with the team (Favre pretty much taking over the Vikings). If Manning isn’t willing to submit to PC/Bevel and the spirit of the team that PC demands, I don’t see a Manning deal happening. And if that’s why, I wouldn’t blame PC. It’s about the team, and the values that PC demands from his players. If he makes exceptions, even one, he loses what he has worked so hard to build.
However, if Manning IS willing to buy in, then great. I just don’t know how to call it.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Just to be clear, I think it would be wise if Manning plays a critical role in game-planning, designing the offense, and calling the game...
…as long as he is in lock-step with PC/Cable/Bevel. If he is, they make a formidable combination. If not, they risk disfunction.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
So....
he should be a critical part in design as long as he agrees to what we have already?
by Stay Off the Flowers on Feb 19, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
No, he should be a critical part of the design as long as it is done within the parameters defined by PC.
What we don’t want to see, and what I don’t believe PC will put up with, is what we saw with Childress and Favre. Childress had no control, and no respect from Favre. You could see it in the game, on the sideline.
There shouldn’t be any question about who is calling the shots, that’s all. And as I already said, not sure that would even work for either of them.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Definitely.
But PC won’t get someone knowing that he isn’t going to buy in. And likewise, PC is a smarter and is a player-first coach – which speaks volumes to how a player’s reaction and their team chemistry in general.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
In other words, I suspect Peyton goes where he can call the shots...a situation unlikely in Seattle.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
Not so sure here
It does mean Peyton has to swallow his pride and show how much of a leader he is by being a follower, if that makes any sense. If the Superbowl ring is more important than the control, ego and $, he looks at Seattle as a good option. In my opinion, if ego and control are more important, Arizona and Miami are the places to go.
Do you remember when Peyton was drafted along with Leaf, and they were both asked what the first thing they would do?
(Doing this from memory so bear with me): Leaf said something like “I’m going to Disneyland” whereas Peyton said, “study the playbook”.
If Peyton maintains that same drive and discipline, and approaches the Seahawks with “what do I need to do to help the team win?” then everything will be great.
I just don’t know how entitled he will behave in this next step of his career. PC doesn’t do well with ‘entitled’ (witness Branch, Housh, White, etc.)
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
The only time Bevel's offense was worth a shit in the last 4 years
is when Favre threw his playbook away. He needs the abuse.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
by hazbro24 on Feb 20, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's funny (because it rings so true)
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
I never thought of Bevel having his own playbook
More just implementing someone elses strategy. Hense in Minn he was ruled closely by an idiot offensive HC and here Cable owns the vision.
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
by stufr on Feb 20, 2012 11:43 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Bevell was given control of Minnesota's play calling duties in 2007.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Play calling and gameplan/scheme design are very different things
they took turns pissing into the bitch's ocular cavities.
This way to the cafeteria!
Another interesting thing about Manning is his sense of historical perspective.
I don’t doubt that he would be aware in signing with Seattle that if he COULD bring a SB title or two here, that he would be setting another historical precedent— leading two teams to a title, AND leading a team to its first ever.
In a competition to reach “Greatest All-Time” status, that could be a nugget worthy of swaying him just a little….
I've put away the whiskey and the chainsaw and gone responsible. I'd like to say "Danny Kelly made me do it!" but that would be a lie. I chose to shave, put on a suit and tie and pretend I'm more important than I really am...
by Tyler Jorgensen on Feb 19, 2012 8:04 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Has it occurred to anyone else
that if we do manage to bring Manning on board, that he would be the latest in a long line of Hall of Fame players to spend their twilight years in Seattle?
Seriously, it’s like we’re some kind of halfway house. Franco Harris, Warren Moon, John Randle, and probably a few others.
"That's funny. I post here all the time and I never see (you) here."
- GreatGoogly, to John Morgan
"John Morgan IS Field Gulls, asshole!"
Jerry Rice comes immediately to mind...
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
check this out:
Seattle Seahawks
Rice was traded to the Seattle Seahawks six games into the 2004 season, and was reunited with Seattle head coach Mike Holmgren, who had previously worked with Rice as San Francisco’s offensive coordinator.10 After speaking with Hall of Fame wide receiver Steve Largent, Rice was granted permission to wear Largent’s retired jersey number 80.11
In a Monday Night Football game against the Dallas Cowboys, Rice set the career NFL record for combined net yards by catching a 27-yard touchdown pass from Matt Hasselbeck.12 He finished that game with 8 catches for 145 yards and a touchdown.13 Rice would play his last (non-preseason) professional game for Seattle – a wildcard loss to the St. Louis Rams in which he did not catch a pass.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
John Schneider isn't going to panic at QB.
He has stated publically they will not panic to land a QB. Signing Peyton Manning would be a desperate act. It seems unlikely he will ever be as good as he was. His signing will take away cap space needed for the young players that are coming due for a raise. He kills any hope TJax will start. It moves away from the concept of getting younger. He won’t do it. No way!
Signing Peyton extends the deadline for a QBOTF. It's not desperate, it's smart.
And the young player’s pay raise will probably come after Manning’s contract ends.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
by EequalsMc2 on Feb 19, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
CORRECT-O-MUNDO!
I really doubt the Hawks will sign Peyton. I recall Michael Lombardi of NFL Network reporting that Peyton has difficulty throwing across his body, and that his recovery is rather slow, and will be.
PC and JS are all about Healthy and Youthful Athletes. We have bigger priorities in signing our own free agents and re-strengthening our O-Line. There is plenty of overlooked, malleable, QB talent in this upcoming draft. Though I like Peyton, I don’t want to see Him lying in our backfield, unable to move from a sack allowed by our crappy pass protection! & Have our franchise pay an exorbitant amount of money for that likely probability.
"Take That, Take That, Take That !"
Manning isn't looking for a cap-killing mega-deal; he wants to win a Super Bowl.
This whole process is more about Peyton picking which team he wants to play, not the other way around. He knows how much his skills are worth and will demand fair pay, but he (probably) won’t be so greedy that he’ll purposefully hamstring the organization. Signing him is certainly a risk, but I’m also sure he’ll work with the team and be as flexible as possible.
The Seahawks are not going to walk about from Peyton Manning because they want to give Kam Chancellor a few more million in 3 years.
by J.L. White on Feb 19, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You say "kills any hope TJax will start" as if it were a bad thing.
I like Tarvaris more than most, but…..c’mon.
by J.L. White on Feb 19, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Congratulations!
As I said to attitudeof1 above, you’ve been entered as a candidate* for the Preposterous Statement Tournament.
*It may be that, when all is said and done, this just isn’t as preposterous as many other statements, and so you could get bumped. But it’s early, and we’re looking for fresh meat.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Feb 21, 2012 5:49 AM PST up reply actions
If he can throw sign him
I heard some argument about how Pete needs to call the shots. Pete seems the type to listen to his players and take their suggestions. Peyton is a coach on the field, probably a better coach than Bevell, who cares if he is calling most of the shots. That is an advantage. Someone else mentioned all of the other teams that would be interested in him and I think that Seattle is in a very good position to be a team that Peyton would want to play for. Of course he’d probably go to the Niners if they wanted him coming off of last season but I don’t think they want him. The Titans sounded like a pretty viable option but I bet they don’t have too much cap room at this point. I’m really not sure about that but I know that CJ makes a ton of money and Hass got a pretty nice deal there too. Miami blows, I can’t imagine why he’d want to go there if he actually wants to win. Who knows what will happen but I’d be fired up if Peyton became a Seahawk.
A lot of people have been dogging on Miami
But their line is pretty good and young, they have Brandon Marshall and Davone Bess at WR (an elite outside guy and an above average slot guy), Tony Fasano at TE (not elite, but decent), and Reggie Bush/Daniel Thomas at RB. There’s definitely some talent on that roster on the offensive side of the ball.
No doubt. But have you ever been to Miami? If so, where would you rather play football in July, August (September even)?
Seattle boasts almost perfect football weather, most of the time. Whereas south Florida totally and completely sucks (do they play in AC? I doubt it…)
Don’t know if that has any bearing on Manning’s thought process, but it would on mine. Heck, I’d rather play in GB in December than Miami any time before the end of September.
1st: Tannehill/Brockers/DeCastro
2nd: David/Iloka/Martin
3rd: Russell Wilson/Irvin/Polk
I live in Texas and always have.
Florida weather beats the shit out of what I have to live with. It’s pleasant and mild.
Peyton in Miami
keep in mind that Peyton grew up, was raised in Louisiana. I recall him stating he would prefer to go to Miami. Miami is Heaven compared to New Orleans. Him adjusting to actuall real football weather we have up here in Seattle, and his Dome Weather career experience should be factored. As much as I really like Peyton, Miami would be a better place for him. He would be a better fit for the Dolphins. After all, it is where all the Geriatrics go and like never die.
"Take That, Take That, Take That !"
I’ve been following ANY & EVERY report linking Manning to the Seahawks and I have yet to see one from La Canfora in which Manning “would like to play in Seattle”. I’ve seen reports that have linked the Hawks and Cards to having interest but never to Manning having interest in us. I understand that it’s purely speculation, but do you even have the link re: this report?
Yeah, sorry, laziness kept me from finding it and putting it in the story.
“We’ve reported in the past that other general managers and executives identified Arizona and Seattle as places that Manning would be interested in.”

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