GM John Schneider On The Ideal QB
by Scott Enyeart on Feb 3, 2012 6:00 PM PST
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PrintSeahawks GM John Schneider to KING-5 on the ideal QB "We're not gonna panic. Because at that position, if you panic, you can really, truly set a club back."
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It's kind of funny, he talks so much about poise and down plays arm strength
and Tarvaris Jackson is their starting quarterback.
It’s great that they’re not going to panic, as long as they realize that only gets them half way there.
by Nate Dogg on Feb 3, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Was thinking the same thing.
ONLY IN SEATTLE:
By swaggering could I never thrive,
For the rain, it raineth every day.
DING! DING! DING!
That’s what I’ve been saying.
There. Is. No. Such. Thing. As. Trading. Up. For. Luck.
As soon as people get that through their heads, the sooner discussion will happen. The same thing goes for next year when Barkley goes #1.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Feb 3, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
I do believe there is such a thing.
But it’s such a high price no QB would ever be worth it.
by Hopefulmsfan on Feb 4, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
i dont think the colts take luck. I think they shop the pick to try and build a team around
manning until he’s done then draft a QB when you have less holes. Any GM worth anything will realize throwing a QB into a team with so many more holes would be a waste and when you can get a first next year, a second, and a third then you take that and use it to add more to your team.
The colts have so many more holes than just at QB. you don’t end up with less than 5 wins unless that is the case.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to trade up for luck unless we get Mario Williams to revamp our pass rush and an LB in free agency like Stephen Tulloch, Erin Henderson, Curtis Lofton, or Dan Connor. Fix the pass rush and add a LB or two that can upgrade our defense?
I think that it’s worth a few picks to trade up and fill that final hole especially considering if we keep performing better (as is expected) we will keep drafting later until “our QB” is just never in range. When that heppens you end up in the NFC championship but never the big game.
So you disagreed with the Panthers taking Newton?
by Stay Off the Flowers on Feb 4, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
yes, not enough around him to justify that.
He had a decent season but i think starting on a struggling team will only cause damage in the long run. He had a lot of deep TDs, but if you look at his erratic mechanics and the plays he makes, he is a purely deep threat QB and will stay that way under the “baptized in fire” approach with hardly a team around him. Admittedly though, the panthers are MUCH further along than the colts. They still have young players to build around.
The Panthers had no defense and a terrible offense and were one of the worst teams, period
Now, they’re filling holes in in a bad defense while the offense was 4th overall. In year to year improvement, that’s amazing. You’re underrating.
I think your argument makes all the sense in the world. Trade the top pick for a bundle, retain Manning with a re-negotiated contract...
…and rebuild your time twice as fast.
But, that’s not what is going to happen. One, because I don’t think Peyton opts to renegotiate, forcing the Colts to let him go.
Second, because taking Luck is just too easy, too safe not to do so.
Third, because it just makes too much sense not to draft such a talent on such a poor team. Talk about a career killer. NFL history is replete with examples – and we may be watching the latest with Bradford.
If it was me (and you, I suppose) I’d take all the draft capital I could from a team willing to pay. Luck might be the guy, but on the wrong team…
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And we dance the fine line between
not panicking and not doing anything.
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by hazbro24 on Feb 3, 2012 6:39 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
? sarcasm ?
because doing nothing is much different than not panicking. I’d rather not see us do something rash, instead, wait until the right guy falls to us and beast up the team for when he arrives.
No, not really sarcarsm.
We’ve been blurring the line between not panicking and not doing anything.
Unless, taking flyers on guys like TJ, Cholly, and JP Lossman are considered investing or doing anything. Maybe they’re gun shy after Cholly.
I realize they’ve not had unlimited opportunities to act, but I’m not inspired by the “we don’t want to panic so we’ll just go ahead with this 3rd tier option that nobody else in the league wants”.
I’ll be wholly disappointed if they don’t use at least the second round pick this year on a QB and/or sign a QB. I’m hoping for a Manning/Osweiler camp.
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by hazbro24 on Feb 3, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
That's pretty much where I'm at.
I’ve been trying to cut them plenty of slack since we haven’t had any great QB opportunities pop up. But at some point it seems like we have to roll the dice on someone. I think I could handle them doing something big like trading up for RG3 and having him flop, at least it would mean they took a shot. What I can’t take anymore of is this endless slew of mediocre-at-best quarterbacks they keep finding.
Jon Ryan = QBOTF
Yeah, probably worded it strong.
In my head, I was counting everyone. CW, TJax, JP, Nate Davis, Portis, etc. I just want to see us make a real investment at the position like everyone else.
Jon Ryan = QBOTF
by NinjaHawk on Feb 4, 2012 12:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
New bumper sticker reads,
“I rec for Manning/Osweiler camps.”
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
Excuse me? Flyers?
Moving 10-15 back in the 2nd and trading a next year first is not a flyer. How about a next year 1st and your #1 CB, or whatever Cassel got or Kolb (money portion) got, or the 0# Manning/Rivers trade, or Jets/Vikings with Favre, or Denver fuckin both their better QB’s over Tebow being a flyer?
Flyers are based on “all-in” investments. I bet they’re gunshy because unless you’re one of the 2-3 worst teams in the NFL, you haven’t really proven an ability to get a QB.
2nd round pick will hardly get pundit “we found our QBOTF” accolades, by the way.
by Stay Off the Flowers on Feb 3, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think you're using flyer correctly,
Flyer implies low risk, as in “Josh Portis cost’s no picks and plays for the minimum, let’s take a flyer on him.”, or “JP Loshman needs a job, let’s take a flyer on him…”
Don’t hold your breath, 2nd round or later “flyer” is who’s keeping TJ and Portis company next season.
This is nothing we haven't heard before.
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
Good. Don't panic, but for god's sakes don't half-ass the solution again.
You can only get away with taking flyers on this position for so long.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
So, If Luck or RG3 drops to number 10/11, we'll take em
is what I’m hearin.
On the plus side, I just got Madden 2012. They give Tavaris Jackson an “A” for potential. And if I’ve learned anything from playing madden, its……wait…absolutely nothing, who the F*** thinks Jackson has “A” potential….he’s a B at best….what planet are these guys on???
TRADE UP AND DRAFT LUCK AND RULE THE NFC WEST LIKE THE COLTS RULED THE AFC SOUTH FOR 10 YEARS….DUH!!!!!!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHA 'A' for potential? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Feb 4, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
A proposed addendum to the Field Gulls rule book
1. No mentioning Madden in the comments, even sarcastically.
2. Outlawing use of the one word reply “this”. There’s a rec button. Use it.
by DeepHeat on Feb 3, 2012 9:15 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
The latter I think is already there.
And what’s wrong with Madden?
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I don't care that much--in fact at all...it was tongue in cheek a bit
But there’s seemingly always a reply in every post that uses Madden as a basis for opinion or analysis and it’s rather comical.
Anyhow, I’m new here (long-time listener, first-time caller) so I should just keep walking…
You dare blaspheme against St. Madden? HERETIC!
WE WILL LOVE BRETT FAVRE FOR ETERNITTYYYYYYYYYY
Heresy grows from idleness.
Why get Matt Flynn?
"Also, for what it’s worth, if we get Flynn, New England and Detroit are on the schedule!" - SSreporters
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Feb 3, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly I have a hard time seeing Barkley come to us next year.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Or trade for someone's 1st next year and have them lose more then anyone else.
That would be fun…
Now with more pessimism!
QB
I’m not an Osweiler supporter at all, although he has some mobility I dont think his skill set is what Schnieder was talking about. Cousins, Tannehill (unfortunately), Austin Davis and Harnish are more of the mobile QBs he’s talking about IMO… (RG3 of course but no way we are getting him)… I hope they target Cousins for the 2nd round or Austin Davis 3rd/4th.
Have to disagree on Osweiler
He has exactly the skill set that seems to intrigue this front office. Osweiler isn’t Dan McGwire (not that you implied that—it’s just true). He has very good feet and plenty enough athleticism to run the play actions and bootlegs this offense likes. Osweiler’s just raw, but that hasn’t been a problem for this front office.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I just don't think that's what he means
Dan McGwire cringe still irks me Favre was the next QB taken… but anyway, back to Osweiler… I interpret what Schnieder said a bit differently I guess. I don’t think it’s just play action and bootlegs… I think its taking off and gaining 8 or 10 yards if there is nothing there, or designed plays to run the QB (outside of bootlegs)… not as drastic as Tebow, you need a QB that has passing skills too… Maybe not even as drastic as Newton or Vick (although would be nice), but something even like Freeman, Ponder or Cutler type of mobility. Osweiller has the arm, but I’m not convinced he’s the complete package on what Schnieder was talking about… Schneider even downplayed the arm strength as an important piece… maybe a smoke screen, but hey if nothing else it gives us fans something to debate until draft day :)
Oz can run just as well as Tebow.
I think it was the Mizzou game this year wear the play fell apart and he took off from about 15 yards out and ended up bulldozing a LB or safety into the end zone. He’s highly mobile.
In that game and the USC game he looked like a top 5 pick, so he’s inconsistent. But the whole situation at ASU fell apart mid season.
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Hmmm...
I don’t see that kind of mobility in him for the NFL… a run here and there doesn’t translate to mobility in the NFL, it’s much faster. Nothing against the kid really, he’s got a cannon attached to his shoulder. My opinion stems from how I translate JS’s comments, who PC and JS have talked to, and for this team. It just seems they are talking a different skill set.
Examples:
Austin Davis – 352 rushing yards in 2011, 452 in 2010
Tannehill – 306 in 2011
Harnish – 1379 in 2011, 836 in 2010
Thomas – 206 in 2011, 486 in 2010
Osweiler – 90 in 2011 and 124 in 2010
Now I know I did mention Cousins, he’s not the mobile guy either (-62 in 2011 and -196 in 2010), but I put him here because JS and PC were chatting him up last week and he ran the type of offense (run heavy) that Seattle is running so he’s a good fit in that way.
Can run and runs a lot are two different things.
Frankly, I’m not interested in any college QB that takes off and runs at the first sign of trouble, or is in a running QB system (save for freaks like Newton).
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There's something wrong on a fundamentally cosmic level
with the idea that several college QBs lead their teams in rushing yards. No logical scheme should have the quarterback making so many runs, so the fact that so many QBs put up these kinds of numbers implies something very wrong with the offensive playbook which is hidden by the QB being a genetic freak with the legs of a gazelle, making the coaching staff look like a genius.
I say ‘logical scheme’ because what logical scheme is based around the idea that you’re sending your QB out to be hit All The Time? They’re not going to be able to slide every time, so why subject them to that kind of punishment when they have a lot of precision work to do?
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It's pretty simple actually.
College football has taken on a life of it’s own. It’s bigger than baseball, bigger than basketball.
Coaches don’t get to develop talent anymore, they’re supposed to get to bowl games and make money (and right now dammit!). So a team like Michigan puts a punt returner at QB because he’s dangerous with the ball.
The college game and the pro game used to have a symbiotic relationship, but they’re diverging and the college game isn’t really benefiting the pro game as much anymore. I really think it’s time for the NFL to get it’s own farm system because college teams can’t be counted on to develop pro talent when the easiest way to win is the spread option.
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It's not like colleges were any better putting players into the pros 20 years ago, when teams had to figure out how a guy would translate from a wishbone offense.
I remember you complaining about Robinson about a year and a half ago, saying Forcier looked like a good pro prospect. Well a few transfers later and Forcier isn’t even on a college roster. Prototypical guys aren’t close to sure things either, and there aren’t enough of them to go around in college or even to float a developmental league. They always have, and always will, compensated for that with different schemes.
Yeah, that's why I've come to the belief we need minor leagues.
It’s always been hit and miss for finding QB’s, but the way the college game has changed your basically looking at two different positions.
And there’s plenty of prospects (minimum of64) out there that are prototypical that if they were put in a pro style system at 18 with a coach who’s job it is to turn him into a NFL QB instead getting to a bowl game I’m convinced that the QB shortage that the league has would disappear. Because right now there are maybe 20 starting caliber QBs for 32 teams, and there’s no way anyone can convince me that there’s only 20 guys in the world that can play QB.
The league could finally get the parity they so desire. They’re not going to get it from colleges, because they’re going to keep doing whats best for themselves, which is a running QB. They play shorter seasons, and only need a guy to last a couple years anyways.
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I always go with Samwise Gamgee.
It was just intense, and it was ball, and it was juice. The juice level in that room was high, and it was awesome.
by mister bunny on Feb 4, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To their credit, this front office has been good at keeping its business private
My impression of the “don’t panic” mantra is that odds are they have a plan and we just have no idea what it is. We may know the basic set of available options, and we can probably rule some out like Luck and probably RGIII, but we probably don’t know much about how they rate most options.
I feel confident saying that they’re looking to upgrade from TJax, but they’re not going to publicly disparage an asset they may need (even if it’s as a backup). That’s dumb. (I’m looking at you Rex Ryan.) But, all you have to do here is follow the money. Tarvaris Jackson is entering his final season and I haven’t heard word one about extending him from Seattle’s exceptional gaggle of beat writers. Extending Jackson is a non-story. That’s basically all you need to know.
One thing that really raised my level of respect for how this front office conducts business is how they handled Ricardo Lockette. They quite intentionally kept him a secret from training camp onward in case they were forced to cut him at some point. Then, they just rolled him out in the last game like, “Ho-hum. We just happen to have a guy who can blow the doors off Patrick Petersen. Oh, did we forget to mention him?”
I’m not saying I’ll like the plan when it’s done. But the fact that I can’t easily guess the plan makes me more calm—not more anxious.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Feb 4, 2012 10:25 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
In the NFL, the difference between 7-9 and 10-6 is pretty small.
Art Thiel made the point on KPLU yesterday -the Gi’nts lost 4 in a row at one point but peaked at the right time. The HeeHawks lost like 6 games by a combined total of like 30 points and they were competing in many of these games to the end. Panic? Fawgettaboutit. The talent level on this team is better than it’s been in years with youth and beasty nastiness.
One big difference between the Giants and Seahawks:
The giants have a QB who magically gets good late in the season when things matter most.
by wyobo on Feb 4, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Release Peyton and pick Andrew Luck.
Then, Luck holds out and demands a trade. I can see the Seahawks doing something to get him.
by B0w1-of-R1ce on Feb 4, 2012 12:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Luck doesn't seem like the kind of person to hold out and demand a trade.
Especially if it means he gets to work with Peyton Manning for a season or two.
Although, the Elway-Stanford-Fuck-the-Irsays parallel would be well worth the price of admission.
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- Chuck Knox
Make no mistake
Manning will not be with the Colts, they are not going to pay him $23M to ‘mentor’ him, not with all of the negative press Isray and Manning have been generating.
If the Colts were smart, they would franchise Manning.
And trade him or Luck (the 1st round pick) to a team willing to bite and overpay.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Can't franchise a player already under contract.
Jon Ryan = QBOTF
by NinjaHawk on Feb 4, 2012 4:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Can't franchise a player already under contract.
Jon Ryan = QBOTF
by NinjaHawk on Feb 4, 2012 4:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hardly seems necessary
if there’s a team willing to send two 1sts in exchange for Carson Palmer, you’ll find someone willing to do the same for Manning without the need of a tag.
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They can't trade Manning without paying the $28mil (I just read that somewhere).
The Colts are going to cut Manning, bank it. Within a week, even.
And if I am reading the tea-leaves correctly, Manning will force the issue. He could re-negotiate the contract – but he won’t, and the Colts haven’t even offered discussions about it (according to his agent).
Indy won’t compete for a couple of years, with or without Manning. Manning wants to play championship football. If you run down the potential championship teams, there aren’t many looking for a QB (for obvious reasons).
No way he goes to the Jets – what a mess that team is!
Miami, Washington – no way.
The two (maybe three) teams that will attract him are all in the NFC West – in descending order of external attractiveness: Seattle, Arizona, San Fran.
Manning would make any of those teams play-off bound, and perhaps SB champions.
If this is correct, PC/JS need to pursue Manning at full throttle – if for no other reason than to allow him to go to the Cards. If that happens, Seattle will be sucking the bottom of the NFC West for the next couple of years, what with how well the niners are playing, and a Manning-led Cardinal team. Manning to Fitzgerald? Holy crap.
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Your post raises a very interesting question? Are two first round picks worth $28 million?
Why shouldn’t Indy pay Manning the money, then trade him away for another 1st rounder this year and next year? They could still take Luck, land a pair of first rounders in the next two years, possibly even in the 4-8 range this year. If they trade down that first rounder this year, they could likely turn it into a 2nd and a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year. With additional trades down, they might be able to work out 10 or so picks in the first 3 rounds each of the next two years, including their franchise QB in Luck. They could even trade Manning to Cleveland and get 2 additional first rounders this year, getting the 2nd best LT at #4 and maybe DeCastro with Cleveland’s second pick.
Both of those options look to be easily worth the $28 million cap hit that would be spread out over several years.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
The issue is
that I can’t see anyone risking one first round pick on Manning, let alone two. Money is one thing, you sign him as a free agent and he just can’t play, you cut him and lose a few million, guys like Paul Allen aren’t losing sleep. But rolling the dice on Peyton’s neck with two firsts on the line? I can’t imagine that happening. The reason everyone is interested is because he’s expected to be a free agent.
Jon Ryan = QBOTF
by NinjaHawk on Feb 4, 2012 9:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Palmer doesn't have neck aids.
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by hazbro24 on Feb 5, 2012 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's important to be precise.
Manning is only neck HIV+ at this point.
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by shams on Feb 5, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
According to the leaks from his camp, his neck is structurally sound but the nerve going to his arm is messed up.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 5, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting idea of trying to trade Manning...
…but as Ninja points out, not sure how much of a market there would be. I wouldn’t trade for Manning at any price. You get stuck with his current contract (and aside from the $28 mil, sizable) and of course, it cost picks.
Manning only appeals (to me, as a Seahawk fan) if he comes draft-pick free. I don’t really care about the new contract Seattle would have him sign – sure, it will cost millions, but if written correctly, that is, mitigating the risk, Manning at 90% is worth millions/year.
As far as trade gold, Indy has it at the number one pick. This they could harvest for a shitload of picks, and as a Seattle fan, I would be in favor of almost any number of top picks (this draft and next) to get Luck. So for example, what if Indy could get Seattle’s top three picks this year and next? That’s a shitload.
ONLY IN SEATTLE:
By swaggering could I never thrive,
For the rain, it raineth every day.
I just realized the other problem with Indy trying to trade Manning.
Manning will insist on becoming a FA so he can choose where he lands. If Indy tried to trade him to the Jets, for instance, Manning just gives them all the finger and retires. Why should he have to put up with that mess?
Point is, Indy can’t count on getting much for Manning, given all the cirsumstances. They cut him and save a bundle, then draft Luck and start over. Easy peasy.
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It all depends on each other's good faith.
Manning can choose where he lands, and of course the Colts can eat his contract, trade it to that team for picks, and have the other team settle on restructuring the 28 million.
If the Colts and Manning’s relationship is all but broken, no doubt they will release him as quickly as possible.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
He's probably going to end up
in Houston, and if not there it’s here, Arizona or Miami.
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What's your thinking about Houston? New one on me (not that it's wrong, just new)
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Of course if that happens, that should leave Leinart wide open for Seattle, right?
Woo-hoo! (don’t know how to use the sarcasm font)
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Houston is the best fit.
Shaub’s foot is fucked up and he’s maybe got a 50/50 shot at being any good again.
Houston is a Super Bowl contender right now. Excellent o-line and running game. Elite receiver. Awesome defense. They probably would be playing today if they hadn’t gone into the playoffs with a 3rd string rookie at QB.
And then there’s the fact that Houston is in a weak division, that also happens to give him the opportunity to kick the crap out of the Colts twice a year until he retires. I’ve got a feeling Manning would love the opportunity to rub it in Irsay’s face for 3 or 4 years.
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Can't remember which pundit said it, but I think the Titans might also
be a landing spot if he is a FA. The argument was that where he ends up is not so much a factor of what team wants Manning, but what team does Manning want. He is an icon in Tennessee from his college days, they have a good OL, and the combination of Hasselbeck and Manning should serve well in the event of injury. Plus having both QBs as mentors for Locker would arguably help with
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Maybe Bill Barnwell on the BS report?
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Yeah, he can go wherever he wants outside of GB, NO, NE.
It’s hard to say if the Titans are close enough to winning a super bowl.
I’ve just got a feeling that it will be Houston, or the NFC West that he plays in. I wouldn’t put it past him to kick Alex Smith to the curb either.
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Eli didn't want to play in San Diego because they screwed-up Ryan Leaf
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/MarkFaller/54100
Different Manning, different team, different situation.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 6, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm...
Probably why the Seahawks didn’t draft Andy Dalton?
Anyone that thinks Yuniesky Betancourt outplayed anyone last year, you're a moron, and I hope your genes are stricken from the world to prevent further breeding.
King5 looks to have moved the video link
http://www.king5.com/sports/Seahawks-GM-Schneider-on-how-he-got-his-start-in-Green-Bay-138689004.html has the clip.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Strike that.
Not sure what is going on, none of their videos are up.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
The more I think about it...
The more I think Tannehill is the ideal fit for what they’re looking for, especially after watching the Schneider interview. He seems to have a lot of detractors, and I’m not quite sure why. He has a complete skillset, and appears to embody exactly what Seahawks brass has said they look for in a QB. He’s mobile, crazy-smart, and played in a much more NFL-like system under Mike Sherman at A&M. Everyone raves about his intangibles. Personally I think he has much more talent/upside then Gabbert/Ponder and look how high they went last year.
I can see a scenario, based on early reports, that Cleveland/Washington/Miami could wind up with Griffin/Manning/Flynn, leaving Tannehill for us.
There wouldn’t be a need to play him right away. T-Jack under contract for another year affords us the opportunity to wait until he’s ready.
Plan B? I agree with a lot of you that Cousins seems to fit the mold as well. If we don’t go QB in Round 1, Cousins would be great value in the 2nd. IF he lasts that long.
I love….. LOVE Osweiler’s upside, but I think Schneider/Carroll are going to target a guy that can start in 2013 and I think his learning curve might be a bit too steep to allow that.
Can’t wait for free agency to start!!!!
Derek certainly likes Tannehill for the Seahawks, and he has me convinced. Some mocks have Washington taking him...
…sooner than Seattle picks in the first, but not sure how probably that is.
If he is available at 11/12, and PC/JS take him, I think we can get excited, because that means they think he’s worth it.
Cousins in the 3rd or 4th looks like an option. Russell and Moore in the late rounds (again, influenced by Derek’s scouting of these guys so he gets the props).
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Cousins won't last through the second round.
He’s top five in QBs and more than five teams need a QB.
No thanks on Wilson, and while I like Moore I don’t see it happening.
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So apparently Manning is offering up a "pay-as-I-play" contract structure
Where the team is only on the hook for the games in which Manning plays.
…kind of tough to see the downside there.
I think the "won't panic" mentality comes from a confidence in developing QBs
Green Bay has a pretty good track record with developing QBs (most of whom went on to star for different teams). They accomplished that by drafting a LOT of quarterbacks and taking their time at the position. Its easier to do that when you have Favre/Rodgers as your starter for 2 decades and counting, but its a process that is pretty easy to have faith in and it goes a long way towards explaining a QB outlook that seems almost carefree to a fault.
Pete Carroll has a good track record of his own with developing QBs, at least in college. I like this outlook personally, but I understand how it can lead to frustration for fans, who unlike the brass, are powerless to do anything about it.
I like the outlook too as long as they're aware of the situation they're in.
Like you said, it’s easier to be patient when you have Favre/Rodgers. It’s also easier to have faith in your ability to develop quarterbacks when you have Holmgren and McCarthy, two offensive gurus, as your head coach. Pete’s a defensive guy and in college he was getting top rated quarterbacks, not bargain basement hunting like they’ve done so far in Seattle. I’m not sure how much you can expect him to develop the position.
I'd like to expand on your comment on PC and his QBs at USC
I think the fact that most of his QBs have been a disappointment and even busts in the NFL proves PCs implied point that QBs are only as good as the talent around them.
1) Yes, PC recruited elite HS QBs to USC, so they were expected to be good. Typically elite HS QBs are not a result of their ability to dissect a defense, understand complex offensive playbooks, and audible at the line, but rather athletic ability expressed on a very good team in a dynamic passing offense.
2) PC’s QBs at USC performed almost always as top 3 college QBs.
3) Except for Palmer, all of USC’s QBs in the pros peaked at solid backup quality.
One way to interpret the above three observations is that PC’s scheme at USC made typically average (backup NFL QB) talent look like it should be elite NFL talent worthy of top ten draft picks.
So I agree with you that PC is good at developing QBs, but I think his point guard comments are based on his realization that when he had Leinert in college, he had a mediocre QB talent who was elite because of the best OL in college, the best RB tandem in college, and one of the top 3 receiver groups in college. It looks like PC is building the Seahawks the same way. One could argue that GB has built the same way, in that the two times that Flynn (who is considered just a mediocre talent by most analysts) has had to step into that offense, he has performed at an elite level.
For all the argument about how elite QBs win championships, the synergy between the OL and QB and that between the WRs/TE and QB is far more important than having an elite QB – look at Favre on the Jets and then the following year in Minnesota. Imagine Cutler with an OL and just 2 good receivers.
Certainly a baseline of QB ability is necessary, and QB skill/talent can compensate for deficiencies a team may have, but it is far easier to fix those deficiencies at WR, OL, TE or RB than to find a QB who can compensate for deficiencies at every one of those positions.
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