Super Bowl Post-Game Thread
by Danny Kelly on Feb 5, 2012 7:00 PM PST
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And to think we beat them...
With Charlie. What a strange trip, the NFL can be.
You bet on the Pats to cover?
They’ve never won a super bowl by 3.5.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Ok, am I being a complete jerk for not giving Eli respect in this game?
I honestly felt like his WRs kept bailing him out of throws that weren’t bad…but they really had no business being caught.
Long suffering, committed Seahawks/Packers fan
Eh. Either way, always good to see the Patriots lose. Don't really like seeing them win. Ever.
Long suffering, committed Seahawks/Packers fan
Neither QB was dominant.
They both had safe game plans, Eli chucked a few up and got lucky.
Hasn’t been much quality QB play this post season.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Receivers have a job to catch bad balls.
Not every throw is going to be perfect. Eli did what he had to do and so did his receivers.
But the Giants defense is again the main factor in their winning. They bent today, but did not break.
But 100% milk toast in the process.
That game was pure game manager, all the way.
70% of space is covered by dark matter, the rest by ET.
Yeah, I do think I might be being too hard on Eli...
I dunno though, when I think of the best QBs in the NFL right now, I never think of Eli. His name doesn’t come up in my mind until I start listing the “high-level” guys.
Long suffering, committed Seahawks/Packers fan
His first touchdown to Cruz was an amazing pass and catch...
The pass to Manningham on the sideline was perhaps a perfect throw, a little short it’s contested, a little long or inside probably gives the safety time to get there or make a huge hit to separate him from the ball, and a little outside and Manningham won’t keep his feet in… It was a 35 yard throw into a 1-2 foot window… and he looked the safety off until he had already started turning his hips to make the throw.
NEs defense was giving him the underneath throws and making hard tackles and trying to strip the ball all game. That was Belichek’s best strategy after 2 weeks of planning for a defense against Manning. That speaks a ton about how much Belichek respect Manning – saying basically we will let Manning give the ball to the receiver and then try to beat the receiver, because we can’t beat Manning.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
The commercials were horrible.
But that’s a different story.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Agreed.
But let’s be honest, I’m pretty sure everyone’s expectations for the halftime show that when it wasn’t terrible it felt…great!
Long suffering, committed Seahawks/Packers fan
Yeah that was the first time I've heard the crowd legitimately cheer the half-time show.
Was louder than the game cheers got. I was impressed, Madonna doesn’t fuck around.
I really thought halftime was going to be a trainwreck.
It was actually enjoyable.
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
I was so put off by Madonna
I didn’t watch it. instead me and 5 of the guys at my mates superbowl party went out in the garden at like half 1/2am (scottish time) and played 3 on 3 touch- was alot of fun!
Yeah, half-time was surprisingly good.
Too bad the commercials were mostly lame.
by Carl Shinyama on Feb 5, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
This makes me think that pass-rush, not QB, is our #1 piority this offseason
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Because the Giants just won the Super Bowl with Tuck, Osi and Pierre-Paul.
Not Eli Manning.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
But they got to the playoffs on Eli Manning
Dustin Ackley, Earl Thomas, Gary Payton
by DoctaTuck on Feb 5, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What about Kyle Williams?
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by EequalsMc2 on Feb 5, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My mistake.
But Eli has cost the Giants more games than the Defense itself.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
There's a reason Eli was the MVP. Those passes don't throw themselves.
I SELL HERP AND DERP ACCESSORIES!
by Blazer_Fan_Nick on Feb 5, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Likewise,
If there wasn’t any pressure on Tom Brady, a lot of things wouldn’t have happened, like that pick.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
The Pats generated a fair amount of pass-rush too, though.
Statistically they had about an equal amount of sacks, hits, pressures, etc. Pass-rush is very important, absolutely, but without a QB that can throw elite-level passes, I have a hard time imagining a team being able to win Super Bowls, especially multiple Super Bowls.
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by Blazer_Fan_Nick on Feb 5, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
I guess it goes both ways.
But in terms of our needs, I think a pass rusher is a more attainable goal than an elite QB, though I want both of each.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
That pick had nothing to do with pressure.
Brady has escaped a sack and had no one near him, it was just a bad decisions to put the ball up like that.
not true, he was hit just as he was following through and the pass didn't carry
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
The ball was fully and completely out of his hand before the hit.
He threw a deep ball to a injured receiver that was not open who got completely outplayed by a LB for a brilliant pick.
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Of course, if the D-Line hadn't broken the pocket, would Brady make such a bad decision?
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
yeah you're right, just saw a different and better angle,
but it does look like Brady short armed the follow through
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
That seems like pointless conjecture.
I was not commenting on the impetus behind the decision to throw, I was just pointing out what I saw about the throw itself. Brady does seem to get skittish under pressure, so perhaps not.
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
I was sorta responding to Nate Dogg.
But I get your drift.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I think you have a point that the pressure might have contributed, no way to know.
I think it’s weird that it happened in the 4th quarter. It seemed like really early in the game.
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Come to think of it, it was the Patriots who laid the most sacks on Eli Manning in the 1st Quarter.
Ironic, isn’t it?
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Why is pass rush so important though?
Exactly.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Because a good secondary never really works.
The NFL has become a passing league, and what’s the best way to defend the pass? Pressure.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
My question was rhetorical. The QB position is what makes pass rush so important.
What makes the QB position so important? It’s the position that is most responsible for determining the outcome of games.
(Seattle’s good secondary and lack of pass rush this past season actually disproves your subject line!)
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Do we really consider our secondary good?
Promising, yes, but good? Not yet.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
It was most certainly good. And according to most of the metrics, it was actually elite.
Chancellor and Thomas were the best safety combo in the NFL according to Advanced NFL Stats. Browner got better as the season progressed and while he wasn’t elite, he was good. Sherman was a shutdown corner, no doubt about it.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
But a good pass rush makes them better.
How else did you think we survived a secondary with Trufant, Jennings, Grant and Russell back in 2007?
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I agree completely with that. I never said a good pass rush wouldn't make the defense better.
My original point was that having an elite QB is more important than having an elite pass rush. Obviously you want both. But if you were a NFL team and you could only have one, you’d pick the QB every time.
You said:
a good secondary never really works.and
This makes me think that pass-rush, not QB, is our #1 piority this offseasonI think both of those statements are just plain wrong. I would agree that having an effective pass rush is usually more important to a team than having a “good secondary” is; however, with Carroll’s scheme not requiring a good-great pass rush to succeed, as can be seen with the defense’s success overall as well as against the pass, I’m not so sure that this applies to Seattle. Whereas needing an above-average QB to have success applies to every single team. Tavaris Jackson is not an above-average QB, so why would pass rush be “our #1 priority”?
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
My retort:
A good secondary never really works – I think I mistyped this one. What I meant was a good secondary is never always very effective. And I disagree on Carroll’s scheme. If you look back at his defenses back in USC, there was a focus on pass rush and pressure. He even stated himself it’s a need this season – the defense fell apart for the first half this year in part of a dysfunctional D-Line.
This makes me think that pass-rush, not QB, is our #1 piority this offseason – Keep in mind this is from the Seahawks point of view. Do I think we need an Elite QB? Of course. Do I think we can get one this year? Not really. Chances are that draft-wise, the top 2 QBs will be out of our reach and Flynn and Manning will go somewhere else. The goal is unrealistic. And whereas we can survive one more year with Tarvaris, I don’t think we can replicate our success with the same D-Line we have next year.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
You disagree that this scheme can be effective without a good pass rush? That was this year! It was effective!
Now I understand where you’re coming from with the priority thing now. Though, I disagree that the goal is unrealistic, but that’s because I’m all for overpaying to get Luck or Griffin. I would much rather have an improvement at QB than to our pass-rush.
Ro$terbation :(
If we could sign Mario Williams and trade picks to get Griffin/Luck and not exclude LB/DE from our draft plans, I would die of happiness.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Our defense was effective?
Against which teams, exactly? Because the last 8 weeks we faced teams with some pretty inept offenses, while we struggled against top offenses such as Atlanta (10th), Dallas (11th) and to a extent, the Giants (8th)
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
To finish with a ~10th ranked defense with such a horrible offense.
I would call that effective.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Effective because we played the Rams twice, the Eagles without Michael Vick, and the Bears without Jay Cutler.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
It is the NFL even the Colts won 2 games.
It would be one thing if we had squeaked by those teams, but we absolutely destroyed them.
Eagles with Michael Vick aren't much better.
Also we’ve done fine against Cutler, and that should continue until they protect him better, no?
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
It's not like Seattle has the pass rush to take advantage of the Bears' line.
I think you’re fooling yourself if you don’t think those games go a little differently if you switch from facing two of the worst quarterbacks in the league to two at least above average quarterbacks.
We sacked Cutler what, ten times last year?
I’m sure the games do go “a little differently”, though.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
ANFLS does a really poor job of measuring individual players
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 5, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
I agree.
But Chancellor and Thomas both had fantastic seasons.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
but we don’t have great statstical evidence to support it.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 5, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure there is statistical evidence to support it. I wish I had it.
PFF ranks them both really well. Thomas was an All-Pro selection, so I don’t think he’s in question. They both passed the eye test.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
9 TDs and 1 INT in the whole postseason
Yeah they didn’t win because of him or the fact that they converted 3rd downs at will.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
Eli threw 2 TDs including the tying TD on 3rd and 12 against the 49ers D
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Eli also threw 3 INT against us and the Redskins D.
Look, the point is not saying that a Elite QB is worthless. I’m saying that pass—rush is a less riskier, possibly a more effective way to succeed. And that’s the path the Giants took to win the Super Bowl.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
But that's not the path they took.
1) They’ve spent considerable resources to stack the defensive end position with talent.
2) They have Eli Manning.
You are contradicting yourself by using the Seahawks and Redskins games as evidence. The Giants lost those games. They did not win despite Eli.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
I like this
I’ve been convinced for a long, long time that if you want to improve the over-all performance of your team, it’s all about the trenches.
High-powered O-Line can give a QB time to throw or make an average RB elite and an elite RB a HOFer
High-powered D-Line pressures the QB into mistakes and covers up deficiencies in the secondary and can crush the run
Long suffering, committed Seahawks/Packers fan
I mean, it's absolutely a priority of our team to have a high-level QB
But I think that if you have to over-stock at a position, O-Line or D-Line is the best place to do it.
Long suffering, committed Seahawks/Packers fan
I agree. Nobody plays in a vacuum, everything is relative to the opponent.
The better your pass rush, the worse the other teams QB performs, which can close the gap between your QB and your opponent’s, especially if you’ve got a good Oline, which reduces the other team’s ability to make your QB worse.
But, NY gets to draft pass rushers willy-nilly because they’re not worried about the QB position, because their first round QB worked out.
Buy if we could have shaved a little more ability off of Alex Smith, Rex Grossman, or Colt McCoy with out pass rush, we’re winning a lot more games.
but^, our^, jeesh...
…I’m soooo used to being able to edit posts.
No.
Not even a little bit. Do you not remember Cleveland? I don’t want to ever live through that again.
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
The 6-3 loss where our starting QB and RB were out with injuries?
If I remember correctly all that game proved to me was CW has no right to be the #2 QB. I have no issues with TJax as our starting QB this year and think it would be a mistake to look for an immediate (unproven) replacement for him.
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it would be a mistake to look for an immediate (unproven) replacement for him.
It is not often that I encounter a statement that I disagree with so completely and fully. The magnitude of the ignorance here is staggering. You have so much faith in Jackson that even looking for a replacement would be a mistake?
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
He said it would basically be a mistake to put in a "unproven" QB over Jackson immediately just because Tarvaris sucked.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
That would almost seem like the best reason to look for an immediate replacement.
By unproven that suggests draft. All players coming from the draft are unproven. I’m not saying that if the Seahawks do not start next season with someone else at QB it would be a failure. We need a QB. We also need a good pass rusher. If one opportunity presents itself over the other, then take it. If you have relatively equal opportunities, I think you have to go QB.
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
I peed a little.
Game was a fantastic nail-biter. I’m pretty anti-Patriots, so the game carried extra weight on me. I feel like it was the best played game in the playoffs. Minimal turnovers, tight play by both teams. Both teams looked like they belonged.
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Disagree.
Saints’ 5 turnovers was pathetic, sloppy football. That the Niners couldn’t capitalize was equally frustrating. Good football wasn’t really played until the final few minutes.
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by Blazer_Fan_Nick on Feb 5, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
The 4th quarter dropsies for the Pats was really weird.
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
True. The Branch drop made me feel good though. Saw enough of that when he was a Seahawk.
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by Blazer_Fan_Nick on Feb 5, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
Branch, but especially Welker and Hernandez. Welker doesn’t stretch the field, but is anybody usually more reliable than him at grabbing passes in traffic? It was weird to see.
Great game though. I’m neutral on Pats and Giants and I don’t gamble, so I didn’t care who won. It was fun to watch a nail-biter of a game with some memorable plays like the safety, the Manningham catch, and the weird sit-down “ole” touchdown.
I enjoyed the hell out of this football season.
Good product. Good hometeam progress. Marshawn Lynch. Doug Baldwin. Richard Sherman. Kam Chancellor.
Good, painful 49ers playoff loss. Good, painful, humiliating Steelers playoff loss.
Can’t wait for the draft.
Eh, the playoffs were really hateable after the divisional round.
by the other side on Feb 5, 2012 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
I thought the championship games were pretty great. One overtime game and one game lost/won on a shocking missed field goal in the last seconds. I enjoyed the Super Bowl, too.
Yeah I thought they sort of brushed off the ridiculous effort and technique from Branch on that play.
I was impressed, even if it didn’t look like a catch.
The photo is no help in the argument.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Yeah bad cell phone pic,
oh well i saw it well enough on my dvr to see a completion. Just sucks that it was blown off as an incompletion so quickly.
I looked at the photo for like 30 seconds to decide where his left arm was.
I concluded that he did not have a left arm.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It almost seems unfair to me that Eli has more rings than Peyton now...
Eternally looking forward to someone making a Seahawks song based off of Lil' Jon's "Shots" song named "Hawks!"
Someone always sympathsizes with the younger brother.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
I hate the Super Bowl wins argument for quarterbacks
Wins are a team stat. This isn’t baseball. When Brady won his three super bowls, he was much less “the guy” for his team than he is now. To me, Peyton Manning is the most talented quarterback of his generation even if he never wins another Super Bowl
Wins are stupid as a pitcher stat in baseball too.
by BrianL on Feb 5, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Seems like every baseball stat is kinda useless.
BA, RBI, Wins, ERA (To a extent), Fielding Percentage
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Traditional stats often are either useless or misleading.
Good stats are invaluable. FIP and wOBA in particular are nice. For quick and dirty, OPS is an okay hitting statistic.
by BrianL on Feb 5, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
BABIP is also a good one.
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by EequalsMc2 on Feb 5, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely.
I’m digging Matthew’s experiments using BABIP as part of team defense evaluation.
Defense too?
It’s already pretty good for Batting and Pitching…
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Peyton had the ball in his hands and threw an INT against the Saints.
And it wasn’t a fluke, it was a bad pass. Eli got himself into the same position and led his team on a clutch drive. It’s only “unfair” if we value media narratives and Gatorade commercials more than we do on-field performance.
Unfortuantely.
Not all fans are that smart.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
He's referring to getting to the Super Bowl
Colts should’ve been a dynasty.
Read my tweets or whatever - @SSReporters
I don't like the idea that Bradshaw blundered by not scoring
Touchdown was a guarantee, way too many things can go wrong kicking a field goal.
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Cowboys-Seahawks much?
I agree somewhat – the Giants’ only error, if you even want to call it that, was to have scored too soon. Maybe, maybe, MAYBE you kneel down at the 1. Make the Patriots use a timeout. Then try your darndest to score.
But even then, Eli could fumble the snap, or he might throw a pick on a too-cute play call, or Cundiff, or Romo, or a regular fumble, given how often the ball slipped out the Giants’ hands.
by fiftyone on Feb 5, 2012 8:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Also the Giants had a low snap when they beat the Niners in OT
Holder did a great job of holding it down
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Forgot about that!
Yeah, if the game’s tied, Bradshaw has to stop short. With the Giants behind, it’s really not black-and-white at all.
by fiftyone on Feb 5, 2012 9:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Season Tickets
I will be returning from Afghanistan this summer and totally looking to blow some money on season tickets for next year. I am ashamed to say the last Seahawk game I went to was not at Qwest/Clink Field. Where are the best seats? Where should I look and where does the funnest crowd sit?
So there I was, balls deep......
Took me a half hour to realize she was dead
Poor Grandma
All the seats are good (view-wise)
I’ve been to two games and both were in the cheapest seats available (different upper corners). I had a great view both times. Somebody here mentioned that they were asked to sit down once or twice while sitting in the Club seats.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 5, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Awesome
Ok, I will keep looking around, there isnt like designated Field Gulls seating is there?
So there I was, balls deep......
Took me a half hour to realize she was dead
Poor Grandma
by Seahawk Junky on Feb 5, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Standing if for 100 sections.
Standing in club, while nothing is happening and blocking views, is a waste of a perfectly wide seat worth 200+ dollars. Club is just like every other seat, when the defense is on the field or theres a big critical situation though.
Bears game I went to in th 100’s, they were getting on ppl needlessly standing. Don’t know why ppl feel compelled to stand up all the time and then talk about it on here like its a sin to be considerate and sit down for the most part.
Hawks Nest (north end) is especially rowdy, if you like that sort of thing. South ends, right where the stadium curves, those are good too.
by fiftyone on Feb 5, 2012 8:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hawks nest or opposite endzone are good atmosphere, but tough to get tickets in.
If you are going to be in the 100 or 200 level, I think seats at the 50 are overrateed. My personal preference (and where I found my seats) is between the 15-25 yard line about 20-30 rows up. At the 50, you can’t see either endzone well and end up watching the jumbotron with its horribly cropped video for all of the scoring, while at the 20 you can see one half of the field and one endzone very well and only have to watch the jumbotron for the other half of the scoring.
if you are at the 300 level, I’d still prefer being near one of the endzones, but midfield seats are much better in the 300 level than in the 100 level.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Thanks!
This is all extremely helpful. Any other advice or input would be greatly appreciated
So there I was, balls deep......
Took me a half hour to realize she was dead
Poor Grandma
by Seahawk Junky on Feb 5, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Midfield seats near the front of the 300 level are amazing. Corner seats at the 100 level are pretty nice as well.
I’d stay away from endzone seating. You can’t tell what’s happening vertically as well as you can anywhere else.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
ROCKY BERNARD AND DEON GRANT SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS!
Loved Rocky.
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by SSreporters on Feb 5, 2012 8:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I missed the in-game thread
but is the consensus that the Black Eyed Peas are preferable to these guys?
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 5, 2012 8:53 PM PST reply actions
I understand that the half-time show isn't for the people that like football
but thought that the parts with non-Madonna singers were better than the parts with only Madonna.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Feb 5, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't know, I don't have any strong preference for Madonna.
But I know she has a reputation for putting on a great show, and the overall half time show was amazing. Far and away the best I’ve ever seen.
She was good. Very good even.
Prince still has the top spot, as I read the landscape.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
Way better than average halftime show, way better than last year.
But good God does Madonna move like an old lady now.
by fiftyone on Feb 5, 2012 9:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Last year's halftime show was an extremely low bar.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Looks like I'm in the minority, I didn't find this game that great.
Seemed like both teams left quite a few plays on the field, especially the Pats, and the ending wasn’t that close. I had high expectations going into the game but thought it was fairly average overall.
Interesting scene:
All the Pats fans at our venue cheering loudly — and unironically — when the Giants scored the go-ahead touchdown, seemingly by mistake, in the game’s final minute.
Can’t say I saw that one coming.
by fiftyone on Feb 5, 2012 9:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It gives them more time on offense the next series later.
"You are the molders of their dreams." - Clark Mollenhoff
Right, no, I get the strategy and gamesmanship and everything
Just sounded and looked weird.
by fiftyone on Feb 5, 2012 9:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That happened at my venue too!
Weird shit.
by GasolineSnuggie on Feb 5, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
ELI has DOS
I thought the Game and HalfTime Show were both entertaining. No, there really wasn’t that many nail biting big plays. Yet Again the Pats and Giants were evenly matched and that made it rather interesting. The Giants seemed more physical on both sides of the ball. Lil’ brother Eli, has established himself as a Leader and Elite QB. J.P.P is a BEAST!
What I can't get over is that this is the Giants second SB in five years.
Yet they were never considered a great team at any point in the last five years. They were consistently good, but never a great team. In 20 years though the Giants will look like a mini dynasty to those who didn’t see these teams play.
10-6 regular season record in 2007, 9-7 this year
They were both teams that had the defense come together in the middle of the season, and Eli is one of those rare QBs who seems to play better in bad weather and at the end of the season.
Since I’ve paid attention, I’ve come to believe that the key for NFL team building is making a team that can get to the playoffs every year, not making a team that can win the Super Bowl. That means winning your division, even at 7-9, and the win over the Saints and the good performance against the Bears the next week go along with that concept.
Maybe some evaluation of the Giants roster building would be an interesting offseason article/series. It seems like the crowd here is split between Eli being elite (with 2 SB wins he is now a sure fire HOFer) and just being very good. I’d love to see a Beekers breakdown of their defense, because they sure stymied a good QB; I came away with the impression that the Giants didn’t get consistent pressure, but Brady made mistakes when there was a collapsing pocket and he had to move around.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
A playoff team can be built by targeting your division rivals weaknesses
whereas that is less useful in building a team to win a Super Bowl, where you consider the need to beat every conceivable type of team you might face in the playoffs. The semantics are not necessarily clear the way I express it, but in my mind it is a well-developed concept. If you reach to have elite players at each level of the offense and defense, you will invariably run into salary cap issues and lack team depth (see Philly this year, see 2005 Seahawks who put everything into the playoff run at the expense of salary cap and developmental rookies – it almost worked, but was unsustainable long term as we saw from 2007-9). If you focus on specific areas (big DBs to cover Fitz, Crabtree, and Davis; run stopping DL for Jackson, Gore; run oriented OL to counter aggressive pass rushers) that allow you to go 4-2 or better in your division, that is a huge headstart on your divisional rivals and on potential wild card teams.
Smashmouth is the new sexy!
Thanks.
And I wasn’t calling your logic into question, I just wanted to see where exactly you were drawing the line between playoff team and SB team.
I don't think there is a difference.
You’ve got to be in it to win it. You put your best team on the field and hope they’re healthy in January. There’s nothing magically different about your opponents come playoff time, they just don’t suck like your non-playoff regular season opponents.
Trying to target some kind of playoff ideal that is somehow divergent from what it takes to win in the regular season is a fools errand in my opinion.
“Defense wins championships.” and “Elite QBs win championships.” are nonsense encouraged by a media that rewards bold statements and prognostication, defense and good QBs win regular season games too.
In general I agree.
There are probably some marginal decisions where you would look in part to the teams in your division, but I suspect it’s a small factor.
"The time has come," the Walrus said, "to talk of many things."
The Pats weren't great in 2001. Neither were the Steelers in 2005.
Sometimes you’ve got to be lucky too.
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