Game Day Open Thread - Week 7: St. Louis at Seattle
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I think it's very appropriate that we're getting a visit from the "Show Me" State this afternoon.
Join us and Turf Show Times this afternoon. Your up-to-the-moment comments within.
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I love how the announcers in the dolphins
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 12:02 PM PDT
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Well that kicks my fantasy team in the nuts.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 12:08 PM PDT
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let's do it
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 12:19 PM PDT
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Anyone find a stream NFL channel for the game?
by Babar on
Oct 21, 2007 12:20 PM PDT
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no Hackett today
Also, we may finally see Babin today.
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 12:27 PM PDT
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Whew. I thought Rackers was gonna win that game.
by Phildopip on
Oct 21, 2007 1:07 PM PDT
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Man, I'd kinda like to see the Dallas-Minn
by Phildopip on
Oct 21, 2007 1:08 PM PDT
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what's up with the Giants?
The NFC East fans must hate the NFC West.
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:11 PM PDT
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i love having tom brady
by wadswerth on
Oct 21, 2007 1:12 PM PDT
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I've never heard of these announcers
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:14 PM PDT
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ICHIRO!!!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:15 PM PDT
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3 and out...good start
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:18 PM PDT
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Hey Babin is suited up today
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 1:19 PM PDT
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JUST CALL IT!
by Phildopip on
Oct 21, 2007 1:19 PM PDT
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That was some nice run blocking.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:21 PM PDT
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I love Weaver
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:22 PM PDT
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MO MO!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:23 PM PDT
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Maurice Morris getting caries.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:26 PM PDT
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PRIMETIME HELLER!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:26 PM PDT
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That was a beautiful drive.
by Phildopip on
Oct 21, 2007 1:26 PM PDT
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Spreading the runners
HELLER YEAAAAAHHH!!!!!
by PositivePaul on
Oct 21, 2007 1:26 PM PDT
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NIce crappy Emo music, FOX.
by Phildopip on
Oct 21, 2007 1:27 PM PDT
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the rams
by wadswerth on
Oct 21, 2007 1:28 PM PDT
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what a comeback by Houston
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:29 PM PDT
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yeah
by wadswerth on
Oct 21, 2007 1:33 PM PDT
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and the titans wins
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:36 PM PDT
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What an awesome homefield advantage to have.
Long live the twelfth man.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:34 PM PDT
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Imagine if you had Rob Bironas on your
by Phildopip on
Oct 21, 2007 1:37 PM PDT
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go for it!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:39 PM PDT
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Didn't get it...
Go for it?
Go for it?
Go for it...
Damn man you want to go for it.
They're going for it.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:40 PM PDT
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yuck
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:41 PM PDT
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why not do a quick QB sneak?
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:41 PM PDT
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Hass isn't good at it
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 1:49 PM PDT
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Why do you call a run?
Terrible play call.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:41 PM PDT
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Slow developing B gap run play???
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:42 PM PDT
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I know jack shit about footbal.
by JI on
Oct 21, 2007 1:43 PM PDT
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No kidding....
by PLU Tim on
Oct 21, 2007 1:44 PM PDT
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Love Tapp's hands.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:44 PM PDT
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UGHHH
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:45 PM PDT
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I hate our blitz packages.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:46 PM PDT
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If we keep blitizing on 3rd down
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 1:50 PM PDT
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3rd and goal at the 12......
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:47 PM PDT
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and I can breath
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:48 PM PDT
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points!
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 1:48 PM PDT
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ashworth, take that to the house
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:51 PM PDT
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Bulger looks like he's going to cry.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:51 PM PDT
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dammit
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:54 PM PDT
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SHIT, a hold
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:56 PM PDT
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YES!!
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 1:57 PM PDT
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CT!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 1:59 PM PDT
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alright....10-3!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:03 PM PDT
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Well that "trick" play didn't work.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 2:03 PM PDT
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TRU!!!!!!!!!!!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:08 PM PDT
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dammit
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:11 PM PDT
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Bad call.
Bad Call.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 2:11 PM PDT
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Hey, we didn't crap the bed on 3rd and long!
by JI on
Oct 21, 2007 2:15 PM PDT
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Nearly awesome by Taylor.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 2:20 PM PDT
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Weaver!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:21 PM PDT
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christ....it was tipped
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:22 PM PDT
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'You have to wonder if that's caused by his ribs?'
That's some specious reasoning there.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 2:23 PM PDT
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TAPP!!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:26 PM PDT
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Babin has alot of tattoos
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:27 PM PDT
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hell of a bounce on that punt
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:29 PM PDT
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lol, thats 6 points
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:38 PM PDT
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That's ok, Tapp's hands are good.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 2:38 PM PDT
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damn, wide open
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:41 PM PDT
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SHEEEBAAAAASSSS
Ugh.
by PositivePaul on
Oct 21, 2007 2:41 PM PDT
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Terrill!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:43 PM PDT
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Shitty half...
by PLU Tim on
Oct 21, 2007 2:43 PM PDT
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First Half Cap:
I think maybe Holmgren should take the reins play calling. They're abandoning the run, that's not good. Get Morris back involved. Pick your spots with Alexander. If Seattle's rushing attacking shows life in the second half, Seattle should be able to finally put an opponent away, but nothing the Hawks have done so far screams contention.
The defense, though, which is fairly young and fairly deep is playing very well. I'm starting to think we should sign Tru. Sean Locklear is going to be paid like a starting left tackle, so he's gone. Tru would make sense. He's young, he a good character guy and he's developing into an upper level cover corner. The Hawks have the kind of young defensive core, especially if they sign on the cheap a healthy but devalued Marcus Tubbs, to at the very least mollify the decline. If Beck holds up, Seattle has a premium draft, drafting starters at RT, RB and possibly TE, they make a little noise next season.
Oh yeah, and maybe a new defensive coordinator. I have no problem with the little guy thing, I think that's more Tim Ruskell than John Marshall anyway, but the blandness of the blitzes, the weird use of zones on every third down despite having two excellent cover corners and overall uninspired play of a very talented defense on third down reeks of coordinator error.
The Hawks shouldn't blitz.
I would like to see Holmgren take over the O-Coordinating thing one more time. You can tell he devised the first series, the Hawks run it a bunch, mix up the touches, pick their spots throwing. Since then it's been bad decisions leading to bad down and distance leading to a bunch of stalled drives.
Adjusting expectations for the season is important to enjoying it. The best case scenario for the Hawks is a historical blowout at the hands of the Patriots in the Super Bowl. That would take a couple miracles and three Josh Brown sightings.
The Hawks need a whole new coaching staff--they'll get it. Providence be with you Tim Ruskell.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 2:50 PM PDT
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NATE THE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 2:58 PM PDT
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They're matching Holt against Jennings.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:05 PM PDT
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Yeah, we're not from Ford.
I'm pretty sure that guy really is going to get shot in Prison Break. What suspense!
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:10 PM PDT
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the offense looks awful
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:12 PM PDT
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and that happens :)
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:13 PM PDT
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That's okay. Run it again.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:14 PM PDT
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how much time is left?
Cowboys-Vikings is a good game... though Dallas just tied it on a Barber run. Peterson hasn't been spectacular, though.
by zetternutz on
Oct 21, 2007 3:18 PM PDT
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thanks
by zetternutz on
Oct 21, 2007 3:22 PM PDT
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Come on, get Morris back involved.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:20 PM PDT
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Tapp-just start clubbing people
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:20 PM PDT
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FUMBLE!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:23 PM PDT
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Tapp is going off.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:24 PM PDT
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You are not Barry Sander, Alexander.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:26 PM PDT
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Defense looks awesome. Great pressure.
Hass will have an easier time with Pollard, Branch and Hackett back after the bye. Maybe Alexander will get a PT demotion. Theres enough time for the powers that be to come to their senses regarding their former MVP.
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 3:26 PM PDT
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from what I heard on Mitch
Fumble recovery in the red zone and we can't get a TD? lame
by zetternutz on
Oct 21, 2007 3:28 PM PDT
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what the hell was that Shaun??
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:26 PM PDT
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dammit I hate the cowboys
by zetternutz on
Oct 21, 2007 3:27 PM PDT
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Man, I thought I beat the Alexander thing into...
Just one series, nothing but Morris and Weaver. Run the ball. Try it. Please.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:28 PM PDT
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First, first down since the second quarter.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:32 PM PDT
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Honestly, if Alexander finishes with less than...
As long as the shit eatting grin doesnt come out, which i know it will, i will be alright.
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 3:36 PM PDT
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I'm sure the SEG will be in full effect.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:39 PM PDT
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Haha - SEG I like it.
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 3:40 PM PDT
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What? a run that gained yards?
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 3:41 PM PDT
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nice catch
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:42 PM PDT
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I'ts not the hand.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:42 PM PDT
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Is there anything past done?
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 3:44 PM PDT
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n/s
and nice commercial Shaun.
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:46 PM PDT
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HILL!! KERNEY!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:51 PM PDT
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that sideline pass never works
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 3:55 PM PDT
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Why do we call that shit?
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 3:56 PM PDT
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Holmgren calls the plays
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 3:58 PM PDT
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Somewhere, I'd like to think Holmgren is thinking.
Why, since then, have we looked like a bunch of parasites, living off our defense?
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 3:57 PM PDT
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J-PETE!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 4:00 PM PDT
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33-6
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 4:01 PM PDT
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Where is "seattlesucks"?
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 4:02 PM PDT
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fuck off bitch.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 4:15 PM PDT
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Riiight...
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 4:17 PM PDT
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fuck off bitch.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 4:19 PM PDT
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fuck off bitch.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 4:23 PM PDT
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Hey SS, it's a good draft.
by John Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 4:22 PM PDT
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Bears about to beat the Eagles
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 4:16 PM PDT
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Grant!!!
by MFAN on
Oct 21, 2007 4:20 PM PDT
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And with that run...
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 4:21 PM PDT
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wow
But this Alexander bashing is ridiculous. Alexander is obviously struggling, but if you guys can remember last year when Morris DID HAVE A FULL STARTING GIG, he didn't exactly impress. I mean, is everyone just totally forgetting this? Sure he's faster and quicker, but he didn't exactly prove himself when he had the shot.
And don't let the 10 fewer carries things fool you, i think most of us remember Chester Taylor in Baltimore. You know, the guy who had over 6 yards a carry when he received the occasional carry, got a big contract, and now he's 2nd string to Adrian Peterson?
Yea.
Alexander has been a very big success in Seattle sports, watching him run today, he showed better quickness than in previous games, but it's obvious he's struggling, we all already know that. Let Morris and Weaver get more carries, sure that's a good idea for a running game that isn't running at all. But i don't think it's fair to say say that Morris with 15-20 carries a game is going to be any better than he was last year when he had that shot.
by J Hens on
Oct 21, 2007 4:26 PM PDT
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Are you delirious?
Morris showed that when he gets starter carriers he can be a effective back (20+)
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 4:31 PM PDT
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Its weird
He looked better didn't he? But it was nice to see Morris more early
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 4:27 PM PDT
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ok ok..
600 yards, 3.8 yards per carry and no touchdowns. That's with the absence of Alexander.
I know it's easy to get impatient, and with Alexander not producing, it's easy to look to the next option, but 'realistically', it's not just a given that he's the ONLY problem in the running game.
Morris had 9 carries for 20 yards minus his 1 big 21 yard gain.
Alexander had 30-plus yards taken away on holding penalties.
It's easy to tweak the stats the way you want, but Alexander isn't the only problem in the run game.
by J Hens on
Oct 21, 2007 4:30 PM PDT
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Alexander only got that big run
I'm not going to say he didn't look better because I think he did. But he is now starting to become a problem. Disagreeing with the coach doesn't do anyone good especially with Holmgren being a nice guy that would be willing to listen to Alexanders displeasure. Honestly I think they should of just ran the ball 3 times with alexander in the red zone on that last drive because I wanted to see if alexander really had anything left. But you can't make a vocal statement on the sideline.
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 4:36 PM PDT
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ok
all i'm trying to say is this, with that plus another 10 yard carry he had later in the game he'd be at the 75-80 yard range. Still not good in my opinion.
but if you're going to look at his stats that way, look at Morris' that way as well.
again 9 carries 2 yards= 2.2 ypc. that's what Morris had minus the 1 carry for 21.
If you want a consistent run game, for every 10 carries if 1 is going to net 20 yards and the other 9 net another 20, i don't think that's going to solve the problem.
by J Hens on
Oct 21, 2007 4:41 PM PDT
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well if you use that math
I gotta run but we can all agree on one thing. We have a problem running the ball
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 4:53 PM PDT
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Morris was much better than you think last year.
Week 6 @STL W 30-28 23car 74yd 3.2avg
Week 9 OAK W 16-0 30car 138yd 4.6avg
Week 10 STL W 24-22 21car 124yd 5.9avg
When he gets the chance, he is a better option than Alexander, especially this season. The plays Morris gets carries on do not have the same variables as the plays Alexander gets.
You have to be out of your mind to think Alexander is getting the job done.
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Oct 21, 2007 4:36 PM PDT
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Fair enough
And i would be out of my mind, but don't read my posts with an opposing mindset. I'm not trying to say Shaun is fine, good, or even mediocre. But what i am trying to say is that Morris didn't exactly prove to me that he is the answer in the run game. I'm admitting he can be a productive and positive addition to the run game, but 3 games of 20-plus carries against 3 teams who struggled last year does not prove to me he is the obvious answer.
by J Hens on
Oct 21, 2007 4:45 PM PDT
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Am i delerious?
Chester Taylor is running with Briant Mckinnie and HUTCH on the left side. And i mean, i guess you're right, they were obviously comfortable enough with Taylor as their starter. That's why they used a top 10 pick on another back when they had OBVIOUS need areas besides RB. Pleaaase.
Morris is a nice change of pace back, and has starter potential, but the facts don't lie, he has never, even with starter carries proven he is an elite back.
Again, starter carries last year:
600 yards, 3.8 ypc and 0 td's. At least Shaun put points on the board.
by J Hens on
Oct 21, 2007 4:36 PM PDT
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Its cause you take the best player available
And no one ever said Morris is a elite back. But he is the back that is going to consistently get us in more managable situations on 2nd and 3rd down.
Really? Did you watch a game last year? Or read anything we have said about how we want the team to use Morris?
Seattle consitently threw the ball in the red zone or used Strong because they didn't believe Morris is a good goal line back. WE have never stated that Alexander shouldn't get the goal line carries.
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 4:44 PM PDT
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of course i watched a game
I'm not sure why i'm getting the response from people as if this is an argument, i never said anyone on here said Shaun should not get goal line carries, nor did i say he was doing well. My point is that i feel like our line, plus some more consistency in our passing game could really benefit ANY back in our system.
As far as the Vikings, congrats on the best tandem in football. My point was simply that they had other needs.
by J Hens on
Oct 21, 2007 4:51 PM PDT
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I think my amazment by the vikings comment
But hey we should be happy. I mean the hawks spanked the Rams with almost no offense.
by Scruffy Lefty on
Oct 21, 2007 4:55 PM PDT
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i wanna cry
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 4:40 PM PDT
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Well, since you only know my...
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 4:44 PM PDT
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a college?
by ASUBoyd on
Oct 21, 2007 4:50 PM PDT
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that's what i thought
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 4:52 PM PDT
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happy anniversary
by Captain Morgan on
Oct 21, 2007 4:46 PM PDT
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yup
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 4:50 PM PDT
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Yikes
by bluemax on
Oct 21, 2007 4:51 PM PDT
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i'm just pissed on earth
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 4:52 PM PDT
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Well
by wadswerth on
Oct 21, 2007 4:50 PM PDT
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the 'hawks aren't that much better.
by stlcardinalsfang on
Oct 21, 2007 4:53 PM PDT
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