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Draft Day 2: Open Thread

Notice something about my posting times? No, I'm not the living dead or some sort of cyborg built for blogging. I just didn't get much sleep last night. My crazy neighbor decided to have a psychotic freak-out before being arrested beneath my bedroom window a few minutes ago. Ah, Rosemere, do you ever disappoint?

Here's a round-up of links of interest for this too early morning: Mike Tanier is a decent analyst if you can stomach the jokes. Here's his and Michael David Smith's, from the FO crew, take on rounds 1-3. I don't agree with everything they say, but a point argued intelligently is always worth something.

The Jackson trade still seems to be on, pending a physical.

Festivities begin again in half an hour. I may be here, I may be asleep, I may be outside telling myself to shut-up, repeatedly clearing my throat and yelling non sequitur profanities. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Update: Oakland drafts Michael Bush with the first pick of the fourth round. I think almost any team in the NFL would have made that move. That's a terrible offense, so don't expect any eye-popping numbers right away, but Bush is a special talent.]

Update [2007-4-29 14:2:45 by Shrug]: The Darrell Jackson trade to the 49ers is now official. Seattle gets San Francisco's 4th round pick.

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I must say.
I know that's a short turnaround on the draft stories, but I find all three to be rather slapdash and shallow. I think the heart and soul of Football Outsiders is Aaron Schatz's metrics and the farther they stray from his work the shoddier their analysis becomes.
so it goes

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Yep.
Man, the Patriots are going to be good, and Jemarcus Russell the last lingering chance you weren't going to bust just flew out the building, buddy. It might be time to invest some of that signing bonus in CDs and low risk mutual funds.
Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 8:08 AM PDT reply actions  

DAMMIT
stupid raiders, taking bush

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Shoot.
He's going to have his work cut out for him behind that OL.
Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 8:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah
I was hoping they'd pick Pittman because Lamont Jordan is always injured, and he'd be a safer pick

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

San Fran took Jay Moore
A DE from Nebraska, so.. does that mean we trade D-JAck for him?

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

So the 4th round pick we get
is almos ta 5th round pick?
Well if we get Boss that'd be ok because Boss would help the team more than DJack, unless we plan on using 5wr sets a lot

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol
Issah "LITTLE JOHN" Stanbeck to Dallas!!

ROMO IS GONNA GET KRUNKED!!!!!!!!!!!

Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 8:26 AM PDT reply actions  

the D-Jack trade is offical
a guess D-Jack can watch the playoffs on TV next season?? hehe..just kidding.  Although I wouldn't mind D-jack getting lit up a bit when he comes back to Seattle.

I'm warming up to this deal a bit, im still not a big fan, but it's clear Ruskell didn't want Jackson on this team, so if he feels a 4th rounder is good value then I will take his word for it.

Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Why'd the saints take Pittman
for when they don't resign Mcallister?

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

yeah
I don't get that pick.
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn
but honestly I didn't expect Seattle to take him, I think anyone that has character issues, no matter how big or small is not on Ruskell's list.
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

yuck
the Raiders scored 168 points last year??

I knew that O was bad, but sweet jesus that's pathetic.  The Bengals and Charges scored almost half that amount in 1 game this season.

Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes. That team was/is a trainwreck
It's going to take a few good drafts to reutrn to an semblance of contention. Holes galore.
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hawks on the clock
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Atkins
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

BARAKA!!!!!!! WOO HOO!
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

A very good value for the 4th round
And another pick coming right up.
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 9:17 AM PDT reply actions  

looks like another solid Ruskell pick
"Has as much natural athleticism as players that will be taken in the first round. He is a versatile defender that can make plays in pursuit and can dominate his side of the line when playing focused and using his hands to shed blockers. He will get too tall off the snap at times and then fails to counter if his first move is blocked. He ran in the high 4.6's with 33-inch vertical at his workouts. He has an ideal NFL body type as he can carry as much as 290-295 without losing his speed or athleticism. However, he can also tone down to 275-280 and be used as a strong-side defensive end."

From Yahoo!

Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 9:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Free to Dallas
damn, I wanted someone for NIU on this team!
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Uh...Who?
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Wrotto
d-lineman turned O-lineman, thats all I know
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

blocked for the ACC's leading rusher
sounds like a nice pickup.
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

And 7 questions with wrotto
http://nflexperts.scout.com/2/637007.html
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 9:29 AM PDT reply actions  

After reading the 7 questions/answers
He seems like a good guy. I kind of wish the questions had been more in depth but it does give a little insight into the person.
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

next pick is 161
We have to go TE, I think we may go with Allen the local boy that when to the D3 school that I can't spell.
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 9:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Chandler the TE from Iowa just went
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Solid
Atkins will be an awesome no. 2 LE next year, maybe even move inside at times.

Wrotto is a hoggggg.  HUGE, nasty, strong, a good RG prospect...

by WABronco on Apr 29, 2007 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

good to hear
sounds like two good picks.
Josh Brown is better than you.

by MFAN on Apr 29, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather get
Beekman or Free, but Wrotto sounds like a good worker with tons of upside
Love the Atkins pick obviously, guess JM hit the nail on the head with that one.
No we have to get a TE, Boss or Allan please

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

If Joe Newton could stay healthy
he'd be pretty good.  Maybe we can get him in the 7th?

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Probably
But why is Patrick falling so far?  Most mocks I saw had us picking him in the 3rd round

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh ya forgot about him
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holy shit Moss is a Patriot?
And I hope Dallas plans on Stanback playing WR
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh and I am sad to see D Jack go
but I don't think he will be that good in San Fran
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 10:56 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't know why but
Suzy Kolber Now > Suzy Kolber 10 years ago

I think its the hair

V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Probably the plastic surgery
or maybe your standards are lower.
Aren't you in College?  Maybe its because now you're old enough to like girls, and 10 years ago you were 10.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure I'm only 21
but older women are hot
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing
She exudes sultriness.
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

If we get a backup RB
what about Ramonce Taylor, he looks good but small.  Though his character is a HUGE question mark, I wish Ruskell would draft one character-questionable guy every year.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Now that I think about I think Patrick
is going to be our next pick
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Though this isn't postiive
" never going to be a seam-stretching weapon in the NFL. He hasn't spent much time working as an in-line blocker and has been more of an H-back throughout his career"

From ESPN

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seahawks pick
please Michael Allan or Ben Patrick

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

And were on the clock
and Patrick is there
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Michael Allan's says
" Is fast enough to work the seam "

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Why don't the talking heads shut up
And start doing analysis of the recent picks. It's the draft after all.
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I know, I hate that, they're so stupid
Why televise the draft and talk about crap?  Give the late round guys some fucking respect

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Nope...Herring
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Who'd we take I missed it
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

2 TE's I'd love to have, and we really
need a TE, and we take an OLB?
We have 6 servicable LBS don't we?
PEterson, Tatupu, Hill, Bentley, Lewis, Niko Suave

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

DD lewis is gone
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

we need 6
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

What the fuck is that?
Errr...I'm guessing there's something really special about this guy that Ruskell liked.  Otherwise, I don't see the advanatage in picking an undersized weakside 'backer...

by WABronco on Apr 29, 2007 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

A safety converted to LB
Looks like coverage LB
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

ESPN gives hime a grade of 30!
the minimum!  There is NO information on him.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Yea
Because scouts inc. isn't exactly a premier scouting service.

Herring should be a no. 2 strong safety/no. 4 OLB type guy who plays a lot on special teams.  He's a very high character guy (surprise), too.

by WABronco on Apr 29, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I trust Ruskell and all
But pick this guy in the 7th round
And get a TE in the 5th when two are still available.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Brent Calek
a random TE just got taken.  Must be something wrong with Patrick and Allan?

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

I wonder if he is going to be converted to S
Fast, 6'3" 221 ish. He played Saftey for 3 years.

He was a QB in high school. 2nd team all SEC as a Safety.

Meh.

Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't know
He played 3 years at S. Last year was his first at LB.

I smell Special Teams player.

Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really doubt he will play saftey
hes to big

I'm guessing he might be here to fill that 3rd down passing situation LB that Hill kept getting burnt on

V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.
I definitely could see him out there on 3rd down passing situations.

Lots of special teams play.

I think there was better talent available for this pick.

Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

To address depth
I think you overracting because we haven't taken a TE. We have 3 picks left
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suppose
but why not take one of those two TEs?  They probably won't be there the next round.  Herring almost definetley will

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

About the TEs or Herring
I'm not saying Herring is a bad player, he led his team in tackles the last two years, I'm saying that if he's projected to go 7th or undrafted, might as well draft in the 6th, unless he's so good in their opinion that they can't risk it.
Kind of like a fantasy draft, where 2 years ago, I was in a league where everyone forgot about Beltran, and I got him in the 4th round.  Sure he should've gone in the 2nd or 1st, but I waited until the spot that he was probably going to be taken, just a bit before.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ya he was projected that
but doesn't mean thats how teams had him ranked

Look at Patrick he was supposed to be a 3rd round pick

V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

When is Troy Smith
going to be picked? Would he be a good 6th round pick?

by Coach Owens on Apr 29, 2007 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

I just scout.com mock for the Hawks
had them taking Mebane with their 3rd rounder
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions  

SOLID PICK
Courtney Taylor's a big, physical possession guy who was an absolute stud when he had a quarterback with Jason Campbell.

I think he has starting upside, especially in a WCO.

by WABronco on Apr 29, 2007 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I think he could be pretty good
like Hackett, guess Holmgren is more satisfied with POllard then I am though

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

We can still draft
Patrick or Allan with pick no. 210.

by Coach Owens on Apr 29, 2007 12:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah
but thre most be something wrong with Patrick, if no one wants him

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Ok, I'm back.
Passed out there. I'm very happy with the Baraka Atkins pick. I'm not too keen on Wrotto, his biggest assets are his size, his first-step and the possibility that he will improve a bunch with coaching. He's slow and stiff.

At this point, I think Seattle will be looking guard next year, too.

Courtney Taylor is a west coast specialist. Not much upside, basically practice squad depth.

Will Herring is an intriguing athlete. I'm not sure exactly where he fits in on the roster, but he might be, as everyone seems to suspect, being drafted to work in passing situations. You know the MO: undersized, quick, good character guy.

Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

JM
Any guesses as to why Patrick is still available?

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Some kind of
minor-moderate injury I'd guess.

by Coach Owens on Apr 29, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's because he's a tweener, with a less..
than ideal work-ethic. That's a bad combination.
Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, sounds bad to me
Michael Allan please, upside, and good character maybe?  It doesn't really say because he's a D3 guy who got real good lately, so it can't get pass that fact on most scouting reports

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Allan is the real-deal.
I think his stock is being held down because he's a D3 player, but his size, speed and performance are all very good.
Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

We're on the clock!
And this time we pick... Jordan Kent. Another WR?

by Coach Owens on Apr 29, 2007 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Well
he's only played football for 3 years, and played bball for Oregon as well as track, and they're both pretty good in both.  So he's ahtletic, but a project?

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Hrmmm
Definite PS candidate, but he has a shitload of athleticism.

by WABronco on Apr 29, 2007 1:15 PM PDT reply actions  

2 WRs, one OL...
Not sure we are seeing the same team, here, Tim.
Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Dang, Patrick got picked
and to a divison rival to make it worse.

by Coach Owens on Apr 29, 2007 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

So I'll be back when we make our next pick.
Cross your fingers it's Allan.

Monday, I'll run down Seattle's draft. Ruskell has once again found value late in the draft, but our offensive line really worries me. Ruskell can't really think that Gray is the solution at right guard.

Tuesday, I'll recap our division rivals. The Niners look like the big winners. I wasn't convinced they'd be contenders next year entering the off-season, but, boy, they've sure improved.

Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

The Cardinals
I think had a fine draft too.

by Coach Owens on Apr 29, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm
I come back to 2 WR's

But I do like both of them

V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm getting the feeling
if we don't draft a TE guys like Allan and Newton can be picked up via FA
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Not really I think we just
but to much into draft importance in TE

Really we could turn Jordan Kent into a pass catching TE if we wanted

V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personally I think we should get Brockman
from U-Dub to play TE because he won't be able to make it into the NBA. A lot like Antonio Gates
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

AGREED!
He's a great Bball player but will never be a great pro because he's 6'7"
He's a beast, Great character, lifts a lot, can dunk, is decently athletic, he'd be AWESOME.  He's tough as nails, very physical, and is a relentless rebounder, which I think will translate well on the football field.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Steve Vallos G
V. 1.0, mutherf***er, know what I'm sayin'?

by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 29, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh well
we can get Newton undrafted.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

TE
oregon state, he looks fine to me.

by LantermanC on Apr 29, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Geeze, not another undersized, character guy.
I worry Ruskell might be buying his own BS.
Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmm...6'3", 32 reps, pretty quick/agile...
Maybe this is a good pick.

Also, maybe we just don't need a tight end as much in Holmgren's new system.

I mean, a guy can evolve right? And you know More will be helping with the offensive coordinating, too.

Ok, I'm scraping my fingers off the keyboards with a spatula--see you again, Monday.

Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

4-year starter, too.
I think you're looking at your new RG.

Good pick, Tim.

Christ, I'm tired.

by John Morgan on Apr 29, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Brown
is going to be on the Mariners postgame today.
Hello, 911? It's Quagmire. Yeah, it's caught in the window this time

by Ben in Va on Apr 29, 2007 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

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