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How to talk Dirty and Influence People: Rating the Mock Draft

With the first round three quarters done and the NFL failing to make any news in weeks, it's time we play that game I so love and look forward to: Rate the mock draft picks. I've fallen behind, so I won't cover everyone's picks, but here's a short list of the three best and two worst picks thus far. Natch, this is only my opinion, but I'll try and provide solid, logical reasoning and back up my claims when possible. Here we go.

Best

Miami, Brady Quinn QB: In 1998, the scouting public spoke of Ryan Leaf's greater upside than Peyton Manning. What would be greater upside than Peyton Manning? A Pass-O-Matic with laser sight? A Chimera formed from Michael Vick's legs, Joe Montana's Head and Jon Elway's arm? Scouts, seemingly incapable of scrapping the upside fallacy, have once again put a superior player behind an inferior player because Jamarcus Russell's upside is black Bill Bratzke and Quinn's is merely Carson Palmer. David Lewin created a very good college quarterback projection system that found the only two stats that correctly predict NFL success are games started and completion percentage. Quinn Started 47 games and completed 57% of his passes, that puts him a couple notches below Palmer who started fewer games (45) but had a better completion percentage (59%). Much of Quinn's low completion percentage can be blamed on his freshman year when he played for an absolutely awful Irish team (5-7) and completed only 47% of his passes. Quinn has all the markings of a franchise quarterback and Miami gets him at a bargain pick for the relative bargain of ninth pick bucks.

St. Louis, Amobi Okoye DT: I'm not certain if this is a conscious admission that St. Louis has entered a rebuilding phase or just best available talent thinking, but I don't think Okoye is destined to make a big impact in 2007. Is that a knock against him or this pick? Absolutely not. Okoye is an incredible talent and the importance of his age can not be overstated. At 19, Okoye is entering the NFL when most defensive tackles are fighting for playing time in college. A huge amount of physical growth occurs between the ages of 18 and 23, and the list of players in major sports who have been able to start with a pro club at 19 is short and prestigious. Scouts talk about upside, but Okoye is essentially still a prospect. Short of injury, Okoye has little chance of not being an impact starter and just may become an NFL legend.

Houston, Joe Staley T: Not only does Staley look like a fine talent (the best prospect at tackle in my opinion), but Houston was able to grab two additional first day picks in the process. I disagree with Tim's assertion that Matt Schaub is anything but a mediocre backup (O he of 52% career completion percentage), but a franchise left tackle and two extra first day picks is a good start for a team that needs almost everything.

Worst

Pittsburgh, Jarvis Moss DE/OLB: Pittsburgh can't help their draft position, so I'm not going to knock them for drafting a player a few picks higher than he deserves. I will knock them, however, for reaching for a player who absolutely doesn't deserve it. Pitt could use a cornerback or a wide receiver and had good value available at either position, but instead picked a weak (his 16 reps on the bench were bested by 8 by Brady Quinn), very injury prone player to fill a position of minimum premium (57% percent of starting OLBs were drafted in the 3rd round or later). A very high risk pick that might not work out for multiple reasons, exacerbated by the fact that a pass rushing LB could have been had in later rounds in the form of Quentin Moses, Victor Abiamiri, Justin Durant or Zak DeOssie.

New England, Eric Weddle S: You know how I wasn't going to bash Pitt for reaching, well, New England, you get no such courtesy. Weddle is not considered a first round talent by, basically, anyone. Plus, Utah played a very easy schedule and still sported the 78th ranked passing defense in D1 football. Very few safeties are considered first round talents, and serviceable options can be found throughout the draft. Tommasse preemptively responds to the idea that Weddle is a reach by pointing out that the Pats have no second round pick and that Weddle wouldn't reach them in the third. The problems with that argument, is A: So what? Picking a player super early because he's your guy is always bad draft strategy, and B: You have a second first round pick. That second point is the biggest factor in making this such a baffling pick. With an aging LB corps and a star CB who may refuse to play, New England is not without needs. If you feel you absolutely must have Weddle, your first pick should have been used on best available talent, while you attempted to trade down the second pick. No one was going to draft Weddle in the next three picks; New York, New Orleans and Philadelphia have no pressing needs at safety. If you couldn't find anyone to trade your pick at 28, then you can select Weddle. It's still a reach, but it's at least justifiable.

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The Eagles do have a need at safety. Maybe not to start this year, but likely for next year.
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by JasonB on Apr 9, 2007 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I mean a need meriting a 1st round pick.
Every team needs depth in the secondary, but PHI, NO and the NYJ don't have priority needs at safety.

by John Morgan on Apr 9, 2007 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE: Schaub
C'mon, John!  I HAVE to believe that The Schaub is the second coming.  If I don't, I might have to confront the terrifying reality that we gave up an awful lot for an unproven backup and then lavished a huge contract upon him before he ever took a snap for the Texans.  

I just don't have the strength to do that right now.  Pass the Kool-Aid, Mr. Jones, errrrrr, Coach Kubiak.

Being an expansion team is even more fun the second time around---http://www.battleredblog.com

by Tim on Apr 9, 2007 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jarvis Moss...
You say he's injury prone but that's not fair at all. He missed significant time due to bone infection from a botched cortisone shot. That's not being injury prone--that's bad luck.

by Blitzburgh on Apr 9, 2007 2:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, he's had repeated injuries to his pelvic
area going all the way back to High School. The cortisone shot was administered to alleviate pain and swelling from an injury to that same area. He also suffered a hernia during preseason drills in 2003. Really, it's little wonder, he's built like a basketball player. I don't see how you can look at his spindly frame, upright style and injury history and tell me this guy isn't a liability to get hurt again.

by John Morgan on Apr 9, 2007 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Staph infection
He contracted a staph infection from that initial shot, and it was not diagnosed until just last year.  I'm no doctor, but from what I can gather the great majority of his pelvic injuries and weight fluctuation can be attributed to that infection.

He has legit durability and character concerns.  But, he's extremely impressive in-game (to me) and freakishly athletic.  He has the prototype stand-up rusher build too.  He's risky, but full of potential IMO.

by WABronco on Apr 9, 2007 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tellyawhat...

If the staph is totally cured, not antibiotic resistant and he hasn't suffered any debilitating* bone loss that can be associated w/ osteomyelitis**--Moss could be a hell of a prospect. The perfect sleeper.

I can't seem to find anything that says that, so I'm skeptical. It's a whopper of a feel good story. One you'd think would receive more attention--and maybe it will as we approach the draft. It's a gutsy pick, both gutsy "bold" and gutsy "risky". Maybe SteelerFan will hand it to me the way the Steelers did my Hawks in SB XL when Moss tears out of the gate for a rookie record 15 sacks. We'll see.

*By debilitating I mean football debilitating, NFL debilitating. Moss is going to be expected to take hundreds of blows a season and (yes, I'm not a med student and I'm speculating a bit above my ken here) I imagine any permanent bone loss would make him more injury prone.

**Again I'm speculating a bit here. The only description of Moss's condition I've read is "staph infection". The transmission, the location and his symptoms seem to match up with osteomyelitis so I ran with it. This confuses me and therefore concerns me:

Chronic osteomyelitis results when bone tissue dies as a result of the lost blood supply. Chronic infection can persist intermittently for years.

by John Morgan on Apr 9, 2007 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no doctor, but. . .
The injury concerns to Moss as a professional seem overblown. Will Carroll noted that this is not the kind of thing that's chronic, which leads me to believe he's not as big a risk as this criticism implies.

Here's what I love about Moss: He's got a good bit of development left, can develop into someone you can use as a linebacker or end, and - were he healthy - has the talent to be a top 5-10 pick.

We agonized over whether to go with Joe Staley, who fills a need, or Moss, who is a bit riskier, but also fills a need and has as much upside as anyone in the draft. We did not consider drafting a cornerback in the first round. Darrelle Revis and Leon Hall remind us too much of cornerbacks Pittsburgh has unsuccessfully drafted early in recent years, and Aaron Ross is a better safety prospect than corner prospect in my mind. Believe me, I attended every University of Texas football game over the past two years.

Taking Moss when we did might have been a stretch by some definitions, but the Steelers have never been particularly bound by conventional wisdom, and neither shall we be. Two points here:

  1. Moss likely would have been available lower in the draft, but we DID try to trade down once we settled on Moss. No one at SBN stepped up to trade. That created a dilemma.
  2. We don't think he would have made it to our slot in the second round, and he was the guy we wanted. Is it a "value" pick? No. Is it a bad pick? We definitely think not.
One last point: putting the Moss pick in the "worst" category without a word about Marshawn Lynch at 16 is ridiculous. Lynch won't even be in the NFL in five years.

You heard it here first.

by SteelerFan on Apr 9, 2007 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One other note
I couldn't disagree more that Pittsburgh needs to spend a first round pick on a wide receiver. I simply can't imagine a bigger waste of a first round pick than for Pittsburgh to draft an unecessary wideout while not addressing the far more pressing need at either offensive line or DE/OLB.

Last, on Moss, he's not your typical outside linebacker prospect, so tossing out of the average draft position (round three) of OLB prospects doesn't strike us as particularly instructive.

In the end, we think your analysis fails to account for Moss' potential to grow into either a ridiculous outside linebacker or a Jevon Kearse-type defensive end. Citing his poor workout statistics, in fact, sort of highlights -why- we think he's underrated. The dude's got a lot of development left because of the circumstances of his college career. He lost 35 pounds and couldn't walk, for Christ's sake.

I appreciate your point about the risk, but we find it curious that the point was made without mention of the potential reward.

by SteelerFan on Apr 9, 2007 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PFW sez:
"Received a staph infection from a cortisone shot in his hip as a high school senior that lingered and slowed him early in his career...Doctors diagnosed a staph infection in summer of '05, and he quickly began gaining back his weight."

The make it sound like he should be able to continue to mature physically...

It is definitely a bit disconcerting, but I haven't seen anything past "staph infection."  If it's something serious, as in Courtney Brown-style degeneration or something, we'll know for sure soon enough...

by WABronco on Apr 10, 2007 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best & Worst
Pretty good evaluation. Didn't know that about Moss, sounds liek he's a 3rd rounder at best. I agree on the Weddle pick too. Why NE passed on Merriweather and Griffin is beyond me.

by Jaxon on Apr 9, 2007 5:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But what about the amazing value...
I got from taking a player that I have absoultely no need for...

Seriously though, Great write up on the pics.  Without sounding sycophantic toward our network, we're definaly doing one of the best drafts out there.

Scout.com is totally doing the same thing on their network.  But nowhere near as good.

-Chris

Check out SB Nation's Jacksonville Jaguar Blog at Big Cat Country

by River City Rage on Apr 9, 2007 9:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If Branch....
Falls all the way to 12 in reality, and Denver is able to trade up to get him.....

That, my friends, is an excellent pick.  I have no idea why Brach is getting such a bad rap, except some scouts out there are trying to create a slide so that Brach will fall.

I hope he does...6-6, 325, 4.8, yea, I'll "settle" for him, I guess....

by TheSportsGuru on Apr 10, 2007 4:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

N key....
must not be working...Branch...that is what I am trying to type, Branch!!!

by TheSportsGuru on Apr 10, 2007 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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