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Carson Palmer Officially Selling His House. The Game of Chicken Begins in Earnest.

"Yeah. Just great! I totally love it here! I wan't to retire here! It's fun!"
"Yeah. Just great! I totally love it here! I wan't to retire here! It's fun!"

Carson Palmer has now officially put his house up for sale for $2.1M. Now, this was reported a few months ago and started the rumor storm about who he'd be traded to and if Mike Brown would even trade him. Now that it's official it seems like Palmer will not be backing out of his threat. On the other hand, Mike Brown has been completely steadfast in his stance that they'll either hope Palmer comes around or they'll carry on without him. Stubbornness seems to be rampant in the NFL right now and it's really getting on my nerves. 

A while ago I put together a piece on the prospect of Carson Palmer coming to Seattle. I want to re-post that here, but keep in mind I wrote it March 13, almost 3 weeks ago, and I got myself all into a tizzy about the idea of him coming here. I don't think it will happen anymore, frankly, because Mike Brown has not budged and I doubt that he will at this point. Stranger things have happened though, so I wanted to see how you all thought about the idea. My argument was for him coming here - I still believe that he would have a career renaissance once out of Cinncinnatti. It appears he may not have that option but here is the piece anyway:

There have been rumors circulating for the past few months that Palmer could be a real option in play for the Hawks. There were reports on ESPN Insider, some Cincinnati blogs, and chatter all over twitter about the subject.  Adam Wright posted on his Seahawk Talk twitter account that a "Source telling me that #Seahawks QB Hasselbeck has been told by the front office that they will try to deal for #Bengals QB Carson Palmer" followed by "Hasselbeck was also told if they can't acquire Palmer, they'll re-sign him, if they can agree on a new deal. The two QB's share same agent".  Now, you have to take all these reports and sources with a grain of salt, but it's legitimate that the Hawks could be interested in dealing for Palmer. 


Cincy's front office has stated that he will not be traded, and will be forced to retire if he doesn't want to play.  As late as Thursday afternoon, sources had the Bengals offering the automatic response to trade requests as: 'No, thanks. If Palmer plays in 2011, it will be for us.' Of course, anything could happen, but if Cincy is going to turn down a first round draft pick and just let Palmer retire, then that's their choice. 


I just don't think that will happen. Bengals' owner Mike Brown has remained steadfast in his word in the past: Ochocinco tried to hold out for a trade, that didn't work; Corey Dillon did the same, with zero success.  These players were good, yes, but neither of them could have fetched what Carson could.  Also, neither of them threatened to retire - something that I believe that Palmer will do if he doesn't get his trade. Why would Brown decide to take nothing and let Palmer retire when he could possibly get a another first round draft pick for this year to continue his team's rebuilding process? He may be stupid enough or stubborn enough, but I just don't see it in this case.


Here's why I'm not against the acquisition (and maybe am hoping for it a little bit):


I don't see him as merely a stopgap or "bridge" quarterback.  I see him as a franchise QB, and not just for a year or two:  he'll be 31 years old by the beginning of the season next year - not ancient by any standard for a QB in the NFL.  For a comparison, that's the same age as Mike Vick; Drew Brees will be 32, Tom Brady 34, and Peyton Manning will be 35.  Do you consider any of those players a 'bridge' or 'stop gap' QB for their team? In the twilight of their careers? I know that each of those players are all-world - and I'm not necessarily saying that Palmer is on the same level as them. I do, however, think that he's got the potential be be close.  As I read somewhere recently and agreed with, if those guys are 'tier 1' QBs, I see Palmer as about a 'tier 1.5'. He may never put up the numbers of a Manning or Brady, but he, to me, is in the top 10 of QBs in the league. 


A little history: He put up All-Pro numbers in 2005, and completely tore up his knee in the Bengals' playoff loss to the Steelers at the end of that year. The injury was considered career threatening according to the doctor that performed the surgery. Palmer bounced back though in 2006 and 2007, again putting up top-level numbers (Pro Bowl in '06). In 2008 he partially tore a ligament and tendon in his elbow and missed the rest of the year.  Once again there was speculation as to if he'd be able to bounce back. 


After a so-so 2009, he improved on his yardage, TDs, and passer rating in 2010. He threw for 3,970 yards, good for 6th best in the NFL, and threw 26 TDs (9th best) on a team that went 4-12, had two ego-centric and distracting wide receivers, internal strife, and a coach that expressed his frustration with an offense lacking any identity.  Not exactly a winning formula, yet his production was statistically very good, the only blackmark his 20 interceptions.  Because of these, he became a scapegoat for the Bengals failings, and the fans began to doubt his ability.


Admittedly, Carson made some dumb throws and questionable decisions in 2010 on his way to 20 interceptions.  Once again though, compare to some other top-tier QBs:  Drew Brees, Super Bowl Champion in '09 - threw 22, Peyton Manning - Super Bowl Champ in '07 - threw 17.  Eli Manning, still considered by many as the franchise QB for the Giants, the guy that led them to a Super Bowl win over the unbeatable Patriots in '08, threw 25.  I admit that Palmer's numbers have faded a bit, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's done. It sure doesn't mean he can't get better.  Remember when Drew Brees was given up on by the Chargers after hurting his shoulder?  His career was definitely over at that point.


More important than his numbers from this year though, in my eyes, are the amazing throws he is able to make: decision making can be improved, - having a 6'5, 235 lb mobile QB with a sniper rifle for an arm is not really something that you can 'coach up'.  In the games I watched, including a few statistically crappy games for Palmer, he consistently showed the ability to thread the needle on tough throws over the middle. He showed a great ability to roll out on bootlegs and throw a ball on the run, hitting his receiver in stride. He is accurate on screen and dump off passes.  He has the habit of throwing off his back foot at times but for the most part guns the ball into his target with good velocity. He can put the ball on the money in the corner of the endzone. It doesn't look like he's lost any ability to throw the ball downfield: on several occasions he hucked it 60 yards down field with accuracy.


Also, and this is important: two of his better games came at the end of the year against two of the league's best defenses in San Diego (where he beat a team with the best defense in football that needed to win out to reach the playoffs) and Baltimore (where he marched his team downfield with under a minute left and nearly led them to a come from behind victory with seconds on the clock left but just fell short). Both of these games were played without his top two receivers, Ocho and TO. Think that those type of guys don't hurt your team? Why'd the Patriots trade Moss again?  It should also be noted that Carson has played in the AFC North his entire career, which means you face off against Pittsburgh and Baltimore at least twice a year, consistently two of the best defenses in the league year in and year out.


People compare Carson Palmer to Hasselbeck and say that it's not much of an upgrade, if an improvement at all. I respectfully disagree. Apart from the fact that Palmer is four years younger than Hass, he's also more mobile, more accurate, and has a stronger arm. He's got the ability to be All-Pro in the right system - that's not something that I can say with any confidence about Hasselbeck. I think that Hass has the ability to adequately run an offense with significant talent around him (and his brother Tim even said that about him in an interview on Brock and Salk). When he had success this year it was because he managed to limit his turnovers and did so by taking very few chances and shots down field. I remember Pete Carroll mentioning it several times during the season - and I'm paraphrasing, kind of sarcastically - the key to Matt's success lies in him playing it safe and not giving the other team the damn ball.


Except for one occasion against the Panthers where the Hawks managed a comeback, if the Hawks fell behind early, the game was over. The Hawks could not orchestrate comebacks because every time the they fell behind Hasselbeck would force balls down field and turn the ball over. These turnovers were a big part of the reason we lost by such big margins. 


I don't want to sound anti-Hasselbeck. I don't necessarily think that we should let him walk - he's a good bridge QB that will be able to run our offense for a year or two while the 'next big thing' QB we draft or trade for develops. I wrote about it a while back, advocating they re-sign him. Of all the options at hand at the time, I figured he's the best option. I don't have a ton of confidence in Kevin Kolb. I don't see them trading for Matt Flynn or bringing in Vince Young.  Hasselbeck, given the time to develop more chemistry with our receivers, can be a good option with a sound game-plan. He's had success in the playoffs and is a better option at this point than Charlie Whitehurst.  He's given the Hawks ten great years and I have his jersey hanging on a wall in my house.


That doesn't mean I think he's flat-out the best option for the Hawks. It may be cheaper to sign Hass than to go out and get a guy like Palmer, but even if it means trading #25 this year, I would say go for it. A late first round choice can be risky in the first place - sure we have a lot of holes to fill on the team, but if we can get a franchise QB for the next 4-5 years, I believe that is easily worth the cost of a 1st round pick. 


Just look at a few of our first rounders in the past decade or so:  Lawrence Jackson, Kelly Jennings, Koren Robinson, Jerramy Stevens, Marcus Tubbs, Chris McIntosh, Lamar King and Anthony Simmons. Even if they had any measure of success, it was not necessarily for more than a year or two. A first round pick, especially one towards the end of the round, is not guaranteed to provide you any success with any real consistency and guys that can give you 4-5 years of starting-caliber play are rare. Do you think that signing Hass and taking a guy like Locker or Mallett in round one has any less risk?


The draft is all about potential - I think about the potential impact that a passer like Carson Palmer could have for the Hawks for the next 4-5 seasons and I say it's well worth the pick. There are holes we need to fill on the Hawks to get them to the next level, but in a passing league where QB is by far the most important, Palmer is a great start. People will say he's old and injury prone. Well, I already touched on the age issue - to me, he's not that old. He's a 31 year old vet that most likely has many years left in the tank. Injury prone? When he hurt his throwing elbow in '08 that ended a streak of 51 games started.  Since recovering from that injury, he's started 33 straight. Real injury prone. If anything, he's a tough S.O.B.


The next obvious question would be about Palmer's ability to run Pete Carroll's offense.  Does he fit? Could he have success in that type of system? Can he learn the playbook and terminology quick enough?  Does he have any experience in an offense like Carroll's that he'd be asked to run? Well, he won a Heisman trophy in that system with Pete Carroll and knows it intimately. It could be argued he's the prototypical player to run that system. So I say that yes, he is a good fit. The other thing to take into account is that the Carson Palmer to Mike Williams connection accounted for 81 receptions, 1,265 yards and 14 TDs in 2002 in that system, so you know the chemistry will be there. 


All in all, I'm not going to be crying if they go get Carson Palmer.