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There are better comps for L.J. Collier’s rookie season than Seahawks Rasheem Green

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Since the Seattle Seahawks saw their 2019 season come to a close against the Green Bay Packers, many fans have proposed that Rasheem Green’s development as a pass rusher in 2019 creates a favorable comparison for first round draft pick L.J. Collier. While it’s true that Collier and Green are both defensive linemen drafted by the Seahawks, the comparison fails to find much similar beyond that.

Many have argued that Collier’s lack production in 2019 is similar to the lack of production Green displayed in 2018, but this is simply not true. Yes, it’s true that Green did not do a whole lot in 2018, he did much more than Collier this past season. Here’s a comparison of their production as rookies.

Rasheem Green rookie production compared to L.J. Collier’s rookie production

Category 2018 Green 2019 Collier
Category 2018 Green 2019 Collier
Snaps 201 152
Tackles 9 2
TFL 1 0
Sacks 1 0
QB Hits 1 0
Pressures 7 1
Age 21 24

In short, even as little as Green did, he did far more as a rookie than Collier did. Thus, let’s take a step back and look for a comparable player, because not only did Green log more production, Green was one of the youngest rookies in 2018, while Collier was one of the older rookies in 2019.

The result of digging for a comp yields a somewhat surprisingly similar player, all the way down to age during their rookie season.

L.J. Collier comp

Category Collier Comp
Category Collier Comp
Height 6022 6034
Weight 283 274
40 Time 4.91 4.86
Bench Reps 25 24
Vertical 30 36.5
Broad 118 110
Shuttle 4.78 N/A
3-cone 7.71 N/A
Rookie year Age 24 24
Arm Length 34 33.5
Hand 10 9-3/4

How did this mystery comp perform as a rookie compared to how Collier performed as a rookie? Better than Collier, but it’s certainly a closer comparable than Green.

L.J. Collier rookie production comparison

Category 2019 Collier Comp Rookie
Category 2019 Collier Comp Rookie
Snaps 152 151
Tackles 2 3
TFL 0 1
Sacks 0 1
QB Hits 0 2
Pressures 1 5
Age 24 24

So, who is this mystery comparable?

Arizona Cardinals v Seattle Seahawks Photo by Otto Greule Jr /Getty Images

Interestingly, it’s former Seahawk Michael Bennett, who coincidentally also played his college football in the state of Texas. Now, that said, who are some other players whose age and rookie production compares well to Collier? Thanks to the Pro-Football-Reference.com player season finder it’s possible to quickly find rookies who had production similar to that of Collier’s in 2019. So, here’s every rookie over the past fifteen years who was at least 23 years old, had one or fewer sacks and a half dozen or fewer tackles while appearing in at least five games.

L.J. Collier rookie production comps

Player Year Age Draft G Sk Comb
Player Year Age Draft G Sk Comb
Leterrius Walton 2015 23 6-199 6 0 0
Justin Trattou 2011 23 6 0 2
Josh Shirley 2015 23 5 0 2
Tim Jamison 2009 23 6 0 2
Scott Crichton 2014 23 3-72 8 0 2
Andy Studebaker 2008 23 6-203 6 0 3
Kenny Iwebema 2008 23 4-116 13 0 3
Chris Ellis 2008 23 3-72 7 0 3
Will Clarke 2014 23 3-88 7 0 3
Isaiah Buggs 2019 23 6-192 9 0 3
Jarius Wynn 2009 23 6-182 11 0 4
Jonathan Welsh 2005 23 5-148 6 0 4
Ryan Robinson 2013 23 11 0 4
Curtis Johnson 2008 23 7 1 4
Joe Jackson 2019 23 5-165 5 0 4
Mike Catapano 2013 23 7-207 15 1 4
Corey Wootton 2010 23 4-109 6 1 5
Jeremiah Valoaga 2017 23 9 1 5
Lawrence Sidbury 2009 23 4-125 16 1 5
Steven Means 2013 23 5-147 10 0 5
Ray McDonald 2007 23 3-97 9 1 5
Josh Mauro 2014 23 5 0 5
Vaughn Martin 2009 23 4-113 10 0 5
Mike DeVito 2007 23 7 0 5
Jesse Nading 2008 23 6 0 6
Cliff Matthews 2012 23 7-230 10 0 6
Bryan Cox 2017 23 7 0 6
D'Aundre Reed 2012 24 7-215 6 0 0
Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 2010 24 3-86 6 1 2
Derek Rivers 2018 24 3-83 6 1 2
Jonathan Massaquoi 2012 24 5-164 8 0 2
Wallace Gilberry 2008 24 5 0 2
Ropati Pitoitua 2009 24 8 0 3
L.J. Collier 2019 24 1-29 11 0 3
Michael Bennett 2009 24 7 1 3
Damion Square 2013 24 10 0 4
Scott Solomon 2012 24 7-211 13 0 4
Zach Moore 2014 24 6-198 8 0.5 4
Chris Wormley 2017 24 3-74 7 0 5
Channing Ward 2016 24 5 0 5
Eric Moore 2005 24 6-186 8 0 5
Tavaris Barnes 2015 24 13 0 5
Mario Addison 2011 24 7 0 5
Keionta Davis 2018 24 6 0 6
Josh Boyd 2013 24 5-167 9 0 6
Ronald Talley 2011 25 6 0 2
Ryan Baker 2009 25 5 0.5 2
Doug Worthington 2012 25 7-242 6 0 3
Stephen Williams 2006 25 11 0 4
Dave Tollefson 2007 25 7-253 6 0 4
Earl Okine 2015 25 5 0 5
Pannel Egboh 2012 26 6 0 2
Margus Hunt 2013 26 2-53 10 0.5 3
Otis Grigsby 2007 27 8 1 1
John Denney 2005 27 16 0 4
Caesar Rayford 2013 27 7 0 5

It doesn’t take long to see that for every Michael Bennett and Mario Addison, there are a whole lot more instances similar to those of Kenny Iwebema and Jeremy Navarre, meaning that while developing into a force isn’t out of the question for Collier, it certainly seems to be on the lower end of expected outcomes.